This was the last time Babs was made interesting and a talking point.>it was unnecessary Name the last time Babs was interesting in comics?Even if Alan said this was in bad taste, I can't recall the last time Barbara mattered.
it's cape comics, no one really "matters". How is that even a measurement? 90% of the appeal is you like how a character looks and want to see them do stuff in cool drawings.
>>152160333Why isn’t she wearing shoes?
>>152160333>made interestingAnon, she's barely even a character in Killing Joke, she's a plot device. Joker hurts her to hurt Gordon to hurt Batman. It's Ostrander's Suicide Squad years later that made her into Oracle and actually did something remotely interesting with her as a character in and of herself. The actual Batman comics didn't use Oracle much until the second half of the 90s, and everything from then on, from Oracle in Birds of Prey to the legacy Batgirls was all because editorial started pushing back against pressure from above them to just un-cripple Babs and make her Batgirl again.>>152160354This anon gets it. If OP can't understand the appeal of Batgirl is a hot redhead kicking ass in a tight costume, he's probably a gay. At best he's a waifufag for one of the legacy Batgirls so has a vested interest in Babs being relegated to tech support for the actual superheroes.
>>152160333This is the only time I've been interested in her as a character. First and last.
>>152160792>If OP can't understand the appeal of Batgirl is a hot redhead kicking ass in a tight costume, he's probably a gay.You argue like a woman.
>>152160364She got shot out of them.
What's always bothered me is that Babs being crippled makes Killing Joke canon in-universe, but that means it's part of the ongoing continuity of DC. And I don't really like that because Killing Joke, to me, feels like the last Joker story. I think that's what Moore set out to write. It's the final confrontation between Batman and the Joker. How do you keep going with that dynamic after TKJ, if it's canon? Batman and the Joker literally share a laugh as the credits roll. How can you maintain the same dynamic in the comics if you've got such a definitive endpoint as that in your continuity?
>>152160792>. If OP can't understand the appeal of Batgirl is a hot redhead kicking ass in a tight costume, he's probably a gay.What a gaylord post Nobody never cared about Babs in costume pre Shoot, even Zatanna got more focus in bronze age than her.Is her in a wheelcair that made her and Dinna something interesting to do instead being Dick and Ollie fucktoys.
You can hate it but her Burnside solo book in the New 52 was a hit. It was a big talking point and it still gets fanart even years removed.
>>152161016It can be a hit, but that doesn't mean it was good.
>>152160792And she was made interesting because she overcame a big moment in her life, doofus.
>>152161057The argument wasn't if it was good or not though. Just that it was a talking point, which it was. No Batgirl related project got as much attention as it did.
>>152160333>>152160354This guy gets it, it’s the same problem with Batman getting his back broken by Bane; he’s not going to spend his life in a wheelchair or retire or just buy a gun and execute his entire rogues gallery and then point it at himself. He just ‘got better’ and carried on as normal (which is also why Babs got better as well - even if you’re not a turbo-feminist it’s a bit gimpy to permanently cripple one character and not another because one is the lead). I think Batman can be enjoyable but ultimately it’s all a brand and you’re better off separating each author’s take on the character rather than trying to string it all together. This is why the more deliberate ‘alternative universes’ like Absolute seem to do better.
The only people that want Babs to be stuck in the wheelchair are Cass and Steph fans that desperately don't want her to take the Batgirl identity again.
>>152160333I liked her as Oracle and being an information broker for superheroes and running her own team.
