>>152163829Ah yes, the time Marvel walked back their cowardice. Raven fucked and bred Irene with her fat blue futa cock. This is canon.
>>152163829Did she shit Nightcrawler or something?
Women can give birth that way but obviously is just looks comical drawn out like that
>>152163829Why does Mystique look like she's also pregnant? And why does Destiny still have pants on? No woman giving birth would have pants on.
>*BRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPP*
Fun fact : Women have an easier time birthing while on all fours, with the vagina pointing downwards. When the mother is on their back, the birthing tube is aimed upwards. Doctors get women onto their backs because it's easier for the doctor. But giving birth is not a medical procedure and rarely requires medical intervention.That said, the perspective in OP's picrel is kinda wonky but I'm guessing the artist didn't want to organize some photo references.
I don't understand how this was possible.
>>152164058I was gonna say. I presume she's pregnant with Anna Marie here?
>>152164132Raven shapeshifted into Azazel, and knocked up Irene using his form. I'm honestly impressed how they managed to square all the demon stuff with this.
>>152164189No but wasn't Irene born in the 1800s. How was she able to have a kid at over 100
>>152164146No dumbass, they "adopted" Rogue as a runaway teen
>>152164200I don't know. I looked it up, and apparently even other characters are confused by that.
>>152163829>woman shapeshifts into a man and uses his dna to knock up her female loverReminder this happened twice in Marvel. The skrull that posed as Hank and knocked up Tigra was originally female.
>>152164109Some women. By no means all or even most.
>>152164314Hot.
>>152164314Skrulls feel like they only have genders because they were introduced in the 60s.
>>152164109>rarely requires medical intervention.Sounds like bullshit.Google considers this bullshit.Bullshit alarm.
>Raven steal Azazel semen (?) >stored on her own balls>Empregnated her wife>THAN shapshift to looks like she was preggo to foul the Baron Christian Wagner>Than insert the newborn Kurt on her own vagina>Than the Baron sees that Kurt is a abomination>Than she flee for her life... but trow the baby at the river>Than the Gypsy circus background kick in.And all this with a person that sees the future involved.
>>152164451Dump baby in riverBe Raven's personal milk cow
Doesn't this kind of totally ruin Mystique's character and the sort of pathos they'd been building for years about her struggle with being Nightcrawler's mother, what that means, all the shit that came with her being cast out after giving birth to him, etc? Like Destiny is a nothing character, I fail to see how this improves any character involved here.
>>152164634That's because you're thinking like a normal person. The writers involved in this shit just wanted their lesbian moms fanfic theory made canon, no matter what they had to do to make it work nor care about the implications of Mystique and Destiny repeatedly lying to their son for decades on end to pull this shit off. Well, they got what they wanted, so we just have to live with it until the next writer retcons this shit out for being too fucking stupid.
>>152164083SHES CROWNING!
>>152163829>>Censored cursingEvery time they do this in comics, I'm just going to pretend they're saying "nigger nigger nigger".
>>152163988Why didn't he just teleport out of the womb?
>>152165390Mutant powers manifest during puberty.
>>152164634as right as you are, him being Azazel's son is even worse. it was a retarded idea in the first place and despite being convoluted I'll take this retcon over it
>>152164451>Raven steal Azazel semenShe does not steal semen, she copied his genes using her shapeshiftingKurt was confirmed to have both Azrael's and Chris Wagner's genes, the latter being infertile>Inb4 whyThe whole fucking point of the Draco is that the comic is intentionally written to go "AZRAEL IS KURT'S DAD CHRIS WAGNER WAS IN REALITY ALWAYS INFERTILE AND THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO KURT COULD ONLY HAPPEN BECAUSE KURT'S DAD IS AZRAEL"
>>152165429The last time they showed this origin, X-Men Origins Nightcrawler, I think?, showed baby Kurt teleporting after Mystique dropped him off a cliff
>>152165452My guess is that they wanted to show Kurt's powers to be more demonic than mutant, but now I only believe Marvel simply doesn't have editors anymore.
>>152164665>The writers involved in this shit just wanted their lesbian moms fanfic theory made canonit was Claremont's original idea for them to be boning and for Mystique to shapeshift a fat gock and put a baby in Destiny before old Marvel was like "whoa, buddy, the fuck are talking about? no, you can't do that" tho
>>152165533Back when Marvel actually cared and knew when to put a stop to retardation.
>>152163829>>152163879Tbf the only bad thing is how they retconned Raven being a heartless birther to just le victim of circumstances >>152164058>Why does Mystique look like she's also pregnant? Shapeshifting to mantain a facade at the time>And why does Destiny still have pants on?Colorist error I think
>>152165513I didn’t even think about that, that makes sense. >>152165533His original original idea was Nightmare being his dad. People are too attached to Claremont’s unused ideas. He wanted to retcon all of Sabretooth’s appearances as clones and the real giga-Sabretooth would be revealed as Wolverine’s father. He wrote that decades later in X-men forever, and it fucking sucked.
>>152165452He didn't teleport there, the comic just shows right as he's dropped from the waterfallHere's the list of all the versions to the origin prior to the X-Men Blue one-shot that I stole>In X-Men Unlimited #4 (1994), Graydon Creed recounts the version of the story known to him. According to Graydon, Mystique “was the widow of a recently deceased German count”, who she may have killed; she was living with him simply for the money. Her cover was blown when she gave birth to Kurt. Some sort of mob – Graydon calls them “the royal family” – tries to kill Kurt. Raven changes to her original form to scare them and tries to escape with Kurt. She drops Kurt at a waterfall and flees to save herself. The mob then throw Kurt over a waterfall. All of this, of course, is hearsay. Later in the issue, Mystique gives her version, which broadly matches Graydon’s. She claims that she disguised herself as the villager and threw Kurt over the cliff in order to cover her own escape. This was not a very well received story when it came out.>Uncanny Origins #8 (1997) basically repeats this version, though a little more sympathetically to Raven, with more emphasis on the idea that the mob were going to kill both her and Kurt anyway.
>>152165654>In Uncanny X-Men #428 (2003), Chuck Austen spends an entire issue on a much expanded version. This account is basically consistent with X-Men Unlimited #4, though it names the Count as Christian Wagner and establishes that Raven was living with him under her real name. They were supposedly trying to have a child, and Christian was apparently infertile. Christian introduces her to Azazel, then posing as a ruler of a Caribbean island, who somehow knows that she’s a mutant, and seduces her as part of his plan to have lots of children on Earth (for reasons connected with the plot of “The Draco”). Raven murders Christian because he suspects Azazel of being the father. Kurt is born, and Raven lapses into her true appearance during the birth. A torch-wielding mob pursues her, and in this version Raven herself throws the baby off a cliff before making her escape. Austen is clearly aware of X-Men Unlimited #4 but makes no attempt to suggest that Raven has any agenda in living with Christian beyond his wealth, and doesn’t attempt to explain how Destiny fits in to any of this. In fairness to Austen, Destiny had been dead for years at this point. Austen’s version of the waterfall scene contradicts the earlier versions, showing Raven in her natural form and with no pretext that she’s posing as a villager. She’s just trying to kill Kurt.>The 2010 one-shot X-Men Origins: Nightcrawler skips directly to Kurt working in a German circus, and reduces this entire sequence to a one-page flashback. It simply shows Raven fleeing the torch-wielding mob with baby Kurt, and collapsing unconscious next to a river. Kurt is then swept away by the current, rather than being deliberately thrown over the waterfall by anyone. The canonical status of the X-Men Origins one-shots is a bit dubious anyway.
>>152164451Destiny's future vision is useless most the time, so it is okay.
>>152165632Sabertooth lost a fight against fucking Black Cat. That absolutely needed correction.
>>152165763Honestly I'd rather have Sabretooth, and Wolverine by extension, just job every time rather than the plot armour they usually exhibit.
>>152165763I think just ignoring it works fine. Why would a clone wind up in the employ of the Foreigner? They were written to have history together.
>>152165763See, this is how we get the unbeatable Dr Doom and his Doom-bots.Let villains have their stupid losses instead of fanboying over them and their power levels.
>>152163829Remember when this panel came out and all the feminists pretended that shitting out a baby is a totally normal thing that everyone does?
>>152165917No. I do not remember that.
>>152163829Is this a normal position to give birth in
>>152165917Yes, I was trying to find funny comments about it right now and only found a lot of “um-acktually”ing about birth canal orientation
>>152164390it's not. the word "gen" for "generation" or "genuflect" means KNEE in latin. it is associated with birth because women would get on their knees to give birth in the past. look up etymology of wordswomen being on their back and having their legs in straps didn't start until the 20th century>>152163829no only was this a stupid idea, but it's also drawn horribly as well. for one, she should be on the ground, someone trying to catch a slippery baby is asking for problems, for two, that doctor isn't serious at all, he should be closer with his hands literally right up in her pussy like a quarterback waiting for a football, and third, the bitch still has pants onretard writers, retard artists (but especially retard writers)
>>152164571>dump baby in riverWHOA WHOA WHOA looks like trump was pulling a MYSTIQUE with lake michiganrelease the files, we might find raven darkholme in them!!
>>152164634hey now are you using logic or something? psh>>152165435>dude looks like a demon>has a demon fatherit actually makes a fuck ton of sense, you're blathering nonsense
>>152165632>People are too attached to Claremont’s unused ideasMan, if I had a nickel for every time I went to the X-Men subreddit and someone said "but Claremont intended," especially when it comes to anyone and everyone being gay, I'd have a lot of fucking nickels. It makes me actually start to dislike Claremont, especially because now it's "heckin brave" and he's "so focused on representation" when really the guy was writing most of this shit with his cock in his hand.
>>152165654>>152165664based nightcrawler lore anon
>>152166086Does anyone use Pyro for "but Byrne said" gayness?
>>152166053>women being on their back and having their legs in straps didn't start until the 20th centuryNot Louis XIV who had a birth fetish and liked to watch his mistresses give birth?For the rest, you're right. Even if she is still in transitional labor, the doctor's position and the pants being on are both wrong.
>>152166133>king louiswhat the fuck how is anyone supposed to know that random shit kek
>>152163829Remind us of what... how they fucked up NIghtcrawlers' origins for someone else's agenda?
>>152166053>men being on their back and having their legs in straps didn't start until the 20th centurySo?You didn't read the part that I was objecting to where I said that saying childbirth "rarely requires medical intervention" was bullshit. Because that's bullshit. And historically childbirth was far, far more dangerous and killed lots of women if we're talking about historically.Google says that as many as 15% of childbirths *require* swift and skilled medical intervention to prevent significant harm, sourcing from WHO. And over half of childbirths are by caesarean apparently, though presumably that will be different in different countries.Point is, that was bullshit go fuck yourself.
>>152166085>dude struggles with his mutation making him look demonic clashing against his religious upbringing and being the scapegoat for mutants by humanity despite being a kind-hearted person>actually you know what screw all that storytelling let's make his dad a literal devil and throw all that tragic irony down the drain in favor of retarded "angels vs devils" plot shoehorned into X-Men /co/ never reads comics do they?
>>152166159>he doesn't know random shit ngmi
>>152166105I'm sure. Any time anyone is slightly hinted at being gay but isn't, you can guarantee that someone, if not many people, will whine and complain that there's justification for them to be gay. There's posters who will legitimately argue that every mutant is queer.
>>152165833Every Deadly caracter will always lose, if they have a lethal power like deathtouch it loses more.
>>152164390If you think that birth requires medical intervention, then humans as a species should have gone extinct around 100,000 years ago.Doctors are there mostly to reduce infant mortality rates. It's not necessary, it is there "just in case".
>>152166297Maternal mortality rates in 1900 were 6-9 deaths per 1000 live births in the USA, the rate currently sits at 8 deaths per 100,000 live births.
>>152164390How do you think the human race survived the eons before medicine arrived, exactly?Also, if you want to get very specific - most births in a hospital include an epidural (an injection of pain killer to mask the pains of contractions), an incision at the vaginal opening (which would often rip anyway) and stitches to close up the incision. These medical interventions are not required to give birth, but do make the birth less painful and less fraught. There are also possible complications during birthing that only a hospital can safely provide. At least where I live, the midwives inform the hospital so that a room is ready in case those complications arise.
>>1521663928% counts are rare. And the gains are as much due to sanitation and education as medical.
>>152166252An argument can been made that mutants and their persecution is an allegory for the persecution of homosexuals. That doesn't make the mutants themselves gay.
>>152166412>How do you think the human race survived the eons before medicine arrived, exactly?With a lot of deaths in childbirth.
>>152166454Sure, it's an allegory for all kinds of persecution, racial and sexual, but like you said, it doesn't mean they're all gay... as much as some people want them to be. Those kinds of people want everyone to be gay though, not just X-Men. Just seems like they latch on to X-Men more than anything.
>>152164314I know about William, but do you know what issues were the leadup to that Skrull impersonating Hank and starting a relationship with Tigra? And did Tigra later "deal with" that Skrull?
>>152166412>How do you think the human race survived the eons before medicine arrived, exactly?Assisted childbirth has always existed in the human race; even wolves assist each other during birth.Not to mention that many babies died during childbirth or shortly afterward, including the mother.
>>152165447>she copied his genes using her shapeshiftingThat's literally semen theft.
