Why was Uncle Grandpa so hated back then?
>>152175489it's a "scared from santa" allegory. he is a good person trying to cheer up poor children but society took the whimsy and made it corporate for financial gains.
There's nothing worse than a comedy that's not funny
>>152175489Before the 2010's, western cartoons with continuity and/or lore were a rarity, and when these started becoming more common by the 2010's people got obsessed.Then, when more oldschool shows like Uncle Grandpa showed up, people attacked them for not being lore shows.
>>152175611>western cartoons with continuity and/or lore were a rarityEh, that's not really true. You had Avatar or DC/Marvel cartoons (think Justice League, Teen Titans, Young Justice) that had continuity in-between episodes. But they were all action cartoons designed to sell toys.What really started in the 2010s was comedy cartoons that started out as dumb and episodic, seemingly no different from what came before, but turned serialized halfway through or had some "deepest lore" to drive discussion. Adventure Time, Gravity Falls and Steven Universe (particularly this one) are the most blatant examples.
The SU fandom in particular were butthurt they felt the episode implied Steven cared more about UG than he did about the gems, because they couldn't fathom that that was the joke
>>152175611This.>>152175737You're technically right but that was the narrative at the time. Avatar was a pioneer and AT/SU/GF were the future also horse show. Everything that was still a stupid gag cartoon during that time was perceived as annoying and inferior (to be fair, the loud & lolrandum style of comedy of the time did not help) and if a show displayed any sign of a potential plot people would wait for some Holly Jolly Secrets style revelation bomb to drop and discarded the cartoon if it didn't.
>>152175489Because of trannies who hate normal cartoons. Uncle G mogs the everliving fuck out of steven universe.
>>152175825Fuck off retard, Uncle Grandpa being what counts as a "normal cartoon" is why shit like Johnny Quest came to be and why we started importing shit from Japan.
>>152175489Because older children hate everything made for younger children. The preteens, teens and deeply autistic adults who liked SU, AT, GF and the like for their "deepest lore" angle that played to mid 2010s cultural zeitgeist of expectation subversion and personal trauma themes, derided anything that was purely comedic/episodic as immature bullshit for babies.Interestingly, the horse show is a bit of an outlier here since it is mostly bucolic and doesn't have any of the popular preteen themes of the shows I mentioned. This just adds to the mystique of the show, how the fuck was it that popular? It has very little to do with its contemporaries.
>>152175871Cartoons that are actually cartoons are better than animated therapy sessions for millennial lesbians
>>152175918The latter reaches lowest lows because it's trying to be actual serious art, but the former is 90% boring unwatchable slop.
>>152175611This isn't incorrect but also shows like Clarence and Uncle Grandpa had really annoying retard leads. Like, they literally look, talk, and act like Baby Huey level retards. So the fun wacky cartoony stuff of Uncle Grandpa and the down to earth relaxing kid's life concept of Clarence become a little harder to appreciate and engage with when you feel put off by the lead characters. Just because there's merit in what both cartoons are doing doesn't mean people can always look past the main character when it feels like you're watching a special needs protagonist.
>>152175954It was the style at the time. Adventure Time wasn't much better at first with Finn shouting "algebraic" with all three of his teeth showing.
>>152175556Evil Wizard is pretty funny
>>152175949>Dude, where's the lore? Is Mr. Gus bisexual? Are any of these characters POC? Does giant realistic flying tiger have daddy issues? Are there any trans allegories?
>>152175796>Avatar was a pioneer and AT/SU/GF were the futureI hate how much those shows after ATLA never lived up to the potential. Over the Garden Wall was the best thing to come out of the beanmouth era, it should have been the beginning of a whole movement but it just didn't happen.>>152175908I think Phineas and Ferb was the biggest outlier. It was episodic and stuck to the status quo to the extreme, and people loved it.It does makes sense how it was a pilot from the 90's, it's completely foreign to what was coming out by the 2010's.>>152175954A bad lead really hurt those shows, but to be fair I also think Steven was insufferable to watch.
>>152175611It was some of that, but Gumball or We Bare Bears aired alongside the likes of SU/AT/GF and TTGO!/UG/Clarence and never received any hatred for not being lore shows. I think >>152175954 is partly right and it's mainly that those shows gave away terrible first impressions.
>>152175489A lot of shows during that era felt like CN trying to recreate random 2000s internet culture but without the sincerity so it just came off obnoxious. Like that Annoying Orange Show or when they had Tobuscus commercials.
>>152176070the annoying orange show was better than steven universe
>>152175489Because it is highly satanic
>>152176008Have you tried watching an old b-lister cartoon lately? I gave Atomic Betty a shot and it was the most boring crap I ever saw. I don't need every show to be about muh trauma and minorities but cartoons used to be objectively shit for the most part, not everything was Billy and Mandy.
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>>152176039The AT/Gumball/Regular Show trio came out after early in the 2010's, right after we had shows like Flapjak and Chowder on CN. The first seasons of those were essentially more of that, continuing trends from the 2000's.Gumball gets a pass because it focused on meta elements (breaking the 4th wall and stuff) later on, and actual lore with the void stuff. We Bare Bears came out when the whole "cozy" fad was hot as well.I don't quite remember the release timeline, but I feel Steven Universe was the show that actually started what we now think of "2010's cartoons", though I'm not sure if Gravity Falls came before, and maybe the lesbian kiss from Korra also came before SU. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>152176102Sturgeons law applies to everything, anon.
>>152175489Because it was one of those shows where too much shit happened, and they weren't funny, in a time where cartoons with plot like Steven universe or adventure time were aired and were more watchable. Yeah, ttgo also survived but because hate watching. Now when those cartoons with plot finished and ttgo remained everyone wanted to be like ttgo., maybe if this was aired after that I could have lived longer.
>>152176130>filenameLol
>>152176136I don't want to say his name cause people seethe whenever he's mentioned, but he appreciated the "void lore" from gumball and was dissapointed there wasn't more.
>>152175954>Clarence>badFuck off Mr Enter
>>152176081Didn't the annoying orange creator troon out
>>152176174>Yeah, ttgo also survived but because hate watching.No, Patrick, a few dedicated internet autists can’t make a show’s ratings that big.
>>152176320The jews punished him for his work being too kino, same thing happened with the wachowski brothers
>>152176387>The jews punished him for his work being too kino,
>>152175489I'm pretty sure 80% of the hatred against Uncle Grandpa just came from salty Steven Universe fans.
>>152176400It's better than loretranny slop, but your filename suggests you're into that
Does anyone even remember Uncle Grandpa came from Secret Mountain Fort Awesome, which was universally despised?
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>>152176488They make HRT in tear flavor?
It was ironic garbage. Cultural rot. I will not reevaluate it as some secretly well done cartoon, it was awful work.
>>152176512Yea, good for you
>>152176532No, it was good
>>152176532There was nothing ironic about UG. It was a sincere cartoony show. Nothing like actual ironic slop like Gumball
>>152176595>Nothing like actual ironic slop like GumballS1 Gumball was also usual cartoon stuff
You guys forgot that Uncle Grandpa also appeared along MAD, Secret Mountain Force Awesome, and Problem Solverz. It had the misfortune of being grouped with those shows, rather than Regular Show, Adventure Time, Gumball, and Steven Universe. Regardless, the 2010s were a better period for CN after the shitshow that was CN Real.
>>152176625That version of Gumball lasted one year. They rebooted it in 2012.
>>152176102>I gave Atomic Betty a shot and it was the most boring crap I ever saw.You were watching a leaf toon, what did you expect?
>>152175975Yes it was
>>152175954I USED TO BE THE KING OF THE CLASSROOM NOW I'M JUST A FOOL
>>152176164Sturgeon was an optimist
>>152176486No, UG was the other winner of Cartoonstitute along with Regular Show. CN changed management and did its best to not honor its legal obligation to give Browngardt an UG series, sticking him with SMFA as a consolation prize until he held them to the contract so they let him air his pilot as an SMFA episode, gave him the bare minimum to produce one season they split then cancelled it because they're hateful fucks.
Nobody ITT is over 30.
>>152176817only 5 years to that
>>152176817I haven't been 30 for 28 years, anon
>all these people saying Uncle Grandpa failed because it came out it a bad timeIt had 153 11-minute episodes, that's roughly 76 half-hours. That's more than enough for this type of cartoon. If UG came out in the 1990s, it would have 52 episodes at best, maybe less considering how high budget it could be at times. Be grateful you fucks.
>>152176784>even CN knew uncle grandpa was going to be a shitshow and tried delaying it as much as possible
>>152176855We're talking about public reception and discourse here.By that metric, Teen Titans 2003 was highly successful even if it was canceled.
>>152176858A shitshow has drama behind the scenes, inconsistent product, lore that goes nowhere, unwanted "character development" and that kind of thing. It doesn't mean "show I don't care for.'
>>152176881Teen Titans 2003 spawned TTG and that shit's been running for over a decade
>>152176888wasted trips. UG was definitionally a shitshow in that the entire show made no fucking sense, had no real appeal, was just a lot of random bullshit thrown in the viewers' faces. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were high while making it, it was awful
>>152176895And it is hated on certain circles.Again, I'm talking about the community, not corporate success. Big Mouth got a million episodes and is despised in there circles.
>>152175489A better question: why was Teen Titans Go able to survive after being universally hated for almost a decade?
>>152176881Who cares? It was a success for CN and that's all that matters.
>>152176881TT03 *was* popular but Stu Snyder was sick of WB execs demanding DC cartoons that1. CN literally had to pay DC back licensing fees for despite having the same parent company2. WB people would micromanage and insist move merchandise which wasn't CN's core businessThat's why Snyder killed the show then turned around and rehired everyone associated with it to make Ben 10 which CN owned outright. Snyder was sick of WB doing things like demanding Young Justice be cancelled when it was the highest selling series on iTunes (not highest selling cartoon, highest selling series across the board) just because the demo slanted female therefore no toys selling.
>>152176913Because people who care that they are watching garbage are not the intended audience for TTG, it's a loud colorful show for little kids.
>>152176881TT was a success too dumbass, it had toys, merch and games. If anything you could have said Duck Dogers since that got shitcanned after 39 episodes and never aired on CN again until 2025.
>>152176908>I couldn't watch it while looking at my phone! Wikipedia couldn't give me summaries I could repeat here and pretend I watched the show! Zero shipping possible!It was a cartoon for small children and relied on reality breaking visual gags.
>>152176913Children liked it.People hated it half because it buried the old cancelled show for sure, and half because of the reasons UG got hated we already discussed here
>>152176913It's CN's SpongeBob except even cheaper to produce. The first seasons were literally animated in Flash. Not ToonBoom, Adobe Flash.
>>152176934That isn't true at all retard. You posted the same bullshit in the last gumball thread. Ben 10 and TT2003 aired AT THE SAME TIME.
>>152176971https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_10_(2005_TV_series)The movie was in 05 and the series began in 06. Go find a source contradicting this.
>>152176945>TT was a success too dumbass, it had toys, merch and games.Murakami said on social media if we wanted the show to have one more season we needed to buy all the merch because no one was buying it. He wiped his accounts soon after that. TT03 moved merch poorly outside of some shirts at Hot Topic.
>>152176997Things Change aired in 2006 you stupid zoomer
>>152176956"Durr it's a kids cartoon" that's not a fucking excuse for not having basic worldbuilding or consistency or moral lessons, which even shows like Spongebob can accomplish. It's the kind of cartoon that makes kids actively stupider
>>152177028TT2003 sucked. At least TTG is actually funny
>>152177123> that's not a fucking excuse for not having basic worldbuilding or consistency or moral lessons,It just needs to be entertaining and UG does have a bit of world building.
Zoomer thread
>>152177123>moral lessonsWhat are the moral lessons that Dexter, cow and chicken, Johnny Bravo, Ren&Stimpy, EE&E, etc. let us?
>>152176913There is an interview with the showrunners of Teen Titans Go! somewhere (who are now directing the Mario movies, huh) where they say the head of WB Animation came to them and told them Regular Show and Adventure Time were very successful for Cartoon Network, so he asked them to reboot Teen Titans as a comedy show.So yes, ironically Teen Titans Go! wouldn't have existed without the success of Adventure Time and Regular Show.
>>152177123>moral lessonsYou mean the shit that ruined the medium and made cringy tumblrinas feel entitled to enforce a shittier version of the hayes code?
>>152176019>I hate how much those shows after ATLA never lived up to the potential.I think in the long-run the 2010s will be remembered as the "Disappointment" era of animation. A bunch of promising stuff came out with big potential that felt like it was going to be a whole new era, and then always, always, always dropped the ball. Adventure Time, Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Rick and Morty, The Legend of Korra, you get the picture. I think Over the Garden Wall only worked because it was so self-contained as a miniseries and didn't have any time for some disappointing bullshit to happen.
>>152177143Ok, contrarian retard
>>152177161Deal with it
Tried too hard
>>152177163Eh, I’ll bullshit a few >Dexter Lighten up and enjoy being a kid instead of rushing to adulthood. >Johnny BravoRESPECT. WAHMEN.>EE&EDon’t be try to swindle people. dont care about the rest lul
>>152177627>so he asked them to reboot Teen Titans as a comedy show.In hindsight the existence of Teen Titans Go! is very weird when you think about it.It's a comedy spin-off made for toddlers of a 2000s western anime, which at the same time was an infantilized version of an 1980s comicbook which at the same time was just a reinvention to compete with Marvel's X-Men of a 1960s comicbook team that only existed because DC had introduced too many sidekicks.
>>152177807>RESPECT. WAHMEN.Yes, nobody likes annoying horn-dogs
>>152177821>spin-off made for toddlersIt has the same target audience that Gumball.
>>152177981>It has the same target audience that Gumball.Very early on TTGO! had an edge to it where I would've agreed with you. It wasn't far off from Gumball or even Regular Show with how constantly the main characters died.Late TTGO! is definitely made for toddlers though.
UG > SU, AT, and GF combined
>>152178115What counts as "Late TTGO"? Because I watched one post movie episode a month ago and I thought it was good. It was the one where Control Freak try to trap the Titans in the opening and then they chase him through the openings of Scooby doo, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Batman TAS and 2003 TT. Honestly, the titans telling DCAU batman that Robin was shit talking him was funnier than anything from S7 Gumball
Remember when /co/ used to love Steven Universe?
>>152178440>It was the one where Control Freak try to trap the Titans in the opening and then they chase him through the openings of Scooby doo, The Flintstones, The Jetsons, Batman TAS and 2003 TTNTA, but they do shit meta episodes like that one all the time. Or the one that's "the writer's poorly-disguised fetish!". Or the one where they explain some adult concept like paying your taxes. Or the ones that is just DC/80s references.It's amusing the first time around, until you realize they do them all the time because they ran out of ideas after Season 3 or so.
>>152176817Thank god. Imagine arguing with strangers on /co/ all day when you should be spending time with your wife and kids instead.
>>152176962>>152176968This
>>152175489it was ahead of its time
>>152175489the audience was an irony poisoned generation that came straight after the "lolrandom" generation, uncle grandpa just being unabashed ha ha lolwut funnies in this era kills the zoomer
>>152175489With all the other main cartoon channels dead Nickelodeon being content with its own mediocrity and over hyping every episode of SpongeBob getting old after the 60th time the autistic zoomers ended up getting sticking religiously with Cartoon Network almost exclusively (phineas and ferb horse show sometimes and gravity falls/star vs were the only exceptions) and when shows like uncle grandpa and Clarence were coming out that demographic was just at the right age and autism was becoming a more known thing by peers younger and younger to be aware of their perceived retardation to get super insecure about it and go full cope getting into shows only if they could trick them into feeling more adult for watching it (same reason amphibia and the owl house fanbases were almost entirely just obvious autistic people)
>>152179341>super insecure about it and go full cope getting into shows only if they could trick them into feeling more adult for watching itThe fanbase of Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball
Earliest fans of uncle grandpa I saw were more autistic than myself (they basically were the ones just barely above the full time sped class autists) and being freshly aware of what myself being autistic meant for how I was viewed that immediately made me decide I hated the show , Clarence pissed me off because Clarence himself is annoying as hell(and so are like Percy and other side characters that weren’t the teacher, Clarence mom, belson or sumo) and we bare bears was boring as shit
>>152176971>You posted the same bullshit in the last gumball thread.That wasn't them. That was me you absolute faggot. Now stop being an absolute retard and check the staff of both 2003TT and Ben 10. They overlap a lot.
>>152179447Pretty much this is also how I feel about those black guys that don’t shut up about Ben 10 as if it’s the only cartoon they were allowed to ever like
>>152175489It was a silly cartoon made for actual kids. Keep in mind the meta during the 2010s was making a show for "kids" but appeal to gay teens and young adults.
>>152177981Nah, Gumball was never as Elsagate-tier as TTG is
>>152175489It came out too early
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>>152179928steven universe, gumball, and adventure time all have shit like this. uncle chadpa mogs
>>152179952Wrong, you tranny
>>152179952>uncle chadpaBased
>>152175908Horse Show was a case of unintentional subversion of expectations. People expected an inoffensive toy commercial for little girls but got a pretty good show instead, and that got them obsessed with it.
>>152179952Gumball: the picAdventure Time: characters made gay and trans even though they were originally straightSteven: do i need to even say?Steven:
>>152180127Meant for >>152179966
>>152180127>Gumball: the picIt was just a stupid joke, you moralfagging retard>Adventure Time: characters made gay and trans even though they were originally straightThere’s no trannyshit, Hunter is just an in-universe knock-off made by Prismo and is not confirmed >Steven: do i need to even say?Still no trannies, the closest being a one-off , non-binary human that appears in Future
>>152180182>It was just a stupid jokeThen why do you complain about TTG being "elsegate tier" if gumball is the same?
>>152180268I’m not that anon and I don’t care about TTG all that much
>>152180182>I-it's just a jokeCope or delusion?
>>152180294None of them, I literally don’t care
>>152175489I always thought Uncle Granpa was really funny, and I was a grown ass adult when it was on who did not really watch cartoons.
>Tranny Time>Trannyball>Tranny UniverseMillennial writers killed CN
>>152175489Hated?https://youtu.be/-ft-qF2D9Po
>>152180766You are just obsessed, faggot
