When was it, /co/?
>>152188381I was never "with it"
>>152188423This.
>>152188423FPBP and same.
>>152188381When ben 10 premiered and my 11 year old self thought "i know i should be liking this but I'm not". It's all been downhill since then
>>152188423In before the entire thread is this.
>>152188381This >>152188423 but I guess a specific thing that really highlighted it was skibidi toilet. Thankfully that's basically dead
>>152188381When I dated a twink who was a roblox kid and who only ever experienced 2012 roblox and introduced me to "retro" style maps that was just stud textures everywhere and no where near the hayday of 2007 or 2008 roblox. It was fucking depressing.
>>152188381It didn't. It can't happen anymore. That phenomena depends on segregated and slow culture that needs time. Current 'culture' with the internet is instant, always accessible, and without identity or time. Anyone, of any age, at any time, can access any part of culture, as much and as long as they like. This has created a new paradigm where NOBODY is with 'it' because there is no longer an 'it'.
>>152188381Sybau unc
>>152188452>This has created a new paradigm where NOBODY is with 'it' because there is no longer an 'it'.You couldn't be more fucking wrong
>>152188452Spoken like a true square.
>>152188435You had poor taste
>>152188452The teenage girls tearing each other apart over labubus or stanley cups or pink elephant cosmetics or whatever it is this week are living proof this is wrong. I have no idea what boys like today.
>>152188502Family Guy, Fortnite, Vape pens and Windows Aero
>>152188381When gaming when to shit with microtransactions and battle passes, and when animation went to shit with CalArts and Teen Titans Go.
>>152188502>are living proof this is wrong.Oh yeah? How popular are those now? They're already on the out and out. That isn't 'it', that isn't culture, that's mass consumption hype that immediately dies with no impact, and allows you to be in on 'it' within a single day. Visit a labubu fan site, buy one, watch an hour of reels about them; you're in it, you're with it! And it's gone by next week. Nothing. Vapor. There is no 'it' anymore.
When people wen't from loving Annoying Orange to hating it
>>152188381>litnow there's "bussin," "slaps," and "unc"slang is so fucking retarded these days
>>152188535>That isn't 'it', that isn't culture, that's mass consumption hypeYou don't know what "it" is to begin with...
>>152188535Whatever bullshit teenage Homer was into was the same damn thing. It’s not principally different just because it’s faster.
When I started dating a twenty year old. I'm thirty five. We started talking about her family trip to Mexico and she was going on and on about how long the airports were, and I went on a little nostalgia trip about the first time my mother went to Germany after unification to visit her uncle and grandma who, surprisingly, were still alive. I told her how when she came back, I ran across the terminal and jumped in her arms. She just looked gobsmacked because if a kid did that today, that kid would've been tackled. We went by an old video game store in town and I picked up a Dreamcast they had, and she just looked so confused by all the stuff.>Whats that little grey thing over there?>Oh, thats the first Nintendo. They designed it like a VCR to trick people into thinking they weren't getting a console.>Whats a VCR?And on, and on. She moved to town about ten years ago. I've been living here back when it was all farmland and small communities. At home, I plugged the Dreamcast into an old CRTV I had, and immediately she covered her ears and told me to turn it off. Did you know Zoomers have never experienced the dull drum of a neutron gun before? its so subtle, but to her it was like nails on a chalkboard.I'm old.
>>152188423People always say this shit but forget that you can still cling to a small part of culture, even if it’s niche and unpopular. When that niche disappears, you really understand what it means to no longer be part of "it." I never followed mainstream trends, but I still felt at home online, now the internet is a hellhole full of insufferable people, and places I once called home, like 4chan, are just shells of their former selves. That's what it means to no longer be a part of "it", to me.
>>152188539When 4chan is getting alienated by internet slang, you know something is wrong.
>>152188539And that slang will be outdated by this summer. Just endless churn as people constantly try to have an identity, only for it to immediately be smeared across the internet and the world for everyone to know and use, making it generic.
>>152188539Unc? That one’s new to me. That’s almost kinda cute. Aw, you kids.
>>152188535What the fuck do you think happened to punk culture anon?
>>152188381I don't know, the 70s? I can't fuckin remember any more
>>152188565Yeah, I like getting called unc
>>152188571>What the fuck do you think happened to punk culture anon?It managed to make a lasting cultural impact that's still around today? Can't say the same for anything that's 'it' these days. None of this will be around in 50 years, much less 5. Everything has become transitory and disposable.
>>152188602>It managed to make a lasting cultural impact that's still around todayIt was commericalized as a thing to buy into and died off. It has as much relevance now as frutiger aero does nowadays
>>152188452Agreed.>>152188502>I have no idea what boys like today.It's Fortnite, which further proves >>152188452 right. Fortnite is a game that doesn't die, and if you don't play Fortnite then you play CS:GO or TF2 or some other 10 to 20 year old game.
>>152188452>>152188624>if it's live service you can't call it a sceneRetard. Live services shit can still die out even with support. Fortnite kills your argument.
>>152188602Everything has always been transitory and disposable, but you never fully realize this until "it" happens to you.
>>152188602What's sad is after a few more generations, all the people who were alive to remember the world before internet dominance will be dead. They'll know about it in theory, but won't fully comprehend how things were. We're already seeing that happening (see this thread), and someday that'll be all that's left.Being old enough to have grown up before the world changed so dramatically is a bizarre feeling. The world we knew is dying or dead, and young people confidently say things about a past they don't understand. That's always been how it goes to some degree, but it's amplified now.
When i realized I can't get into streaming.
>>152188662>woe is me, millenials are truly blessed!You sound like boomers talking about how things were "back in there day" yo brow beat gen x's
>>152188662>They'll know about it in theory*Well, some will, and only the fragments they're interested in learning about. Most won't even understand it in theory.
>>152188662the technology of this century has created a rapid paradigm shift that absolutely no human is prepared to handle, but we all keep acting lie we're prepared to handle it. there has never been anything like this in human history and it's going to violently fuck us up and change us, though more likely we're all dead within the next 20 years.
>>152188683Makes sense. Boomers experienced big changes too. I'm not browbeating though, just commenting and feeling a bit melancholy about it all. Not your fault you grew up in a different world.
>>152188558>its so subtle, but to her it was like nails on a chalkboard.because it does sound like nails on a chalkboard. Your brain just got used to it.>inb4 never had a CRTI only had a CRT until I was 12. I remember the sound. Listened to it again a few months ago and couldn't stand it.
>>152188703Fair enough
>>152188698Might not even be the biggest technological shift in our lifetimes, if AI and automation manages to live up to a fraction of its promises.
>>152188381When I was 10 and Spongebob came out and everyone at school loved it and I had no clue why the fuck this thing was popular
>>152188720>if AI and automation manages to live up to a fraction of its promises.It will but not in the way people think it will. Stuff like automation or coding is pretty scary now that some generative coding libraries effectively write code for entirely proprietary fucking codebases.
>>152188435>>152188747Why do kids start to lose interest in cartoons at the age of 10 or 11?
>>152188754the actual value and extreme danger of AI has nothing to do with replacing workers, or making art or music, or making porn. none of that shit matters to the power of AI to advance research and development. it is a terrifying multiplier to research that is going to lead to even more extreme technological breakthroughs that will get us all killed.but nah people wanna whine about culture wars
>>152188381and by with it you mean still watching cartoons and reading comics?
>>152188775I'm just autistic, anonI'll still watch the episodes of Pokemon or Yugioh that I saw. I was watching the 2003 tmnt cartoon when I was a teenagerSpongebob just seemed like it was primarily aimed at keeping a 5 year old's attention I still would sit down and watch Pokemon at age 35
I had a /co/ media version of this moment when Murder Drones started getting talked about here. I watched several episodes and just did not fucking get it. It felt like something made to spawn youtube lore videos and fanfic rather than something to be enjoyed in and of itself. Then I realized if I was like 10 years younger I would've absolutely loved this shit
>>152188775The brain starts to mature out of the childhood phase around age 11.
>>152188754I love using it for coding already, if only because it's saving me a shitload of time debugging. The days of spending hours searching for tiny errors breaking the code are basically dead. I resisted using it for more serious coding before, but at some point it's hard to argue against. No point in stubbornly writing simple but tedious code yourself anymore. Got to use the tool and adapt.
>>152188791Yes. Acceleration without comprehension. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JkIs37a2JE
>>152188841I agree it's useful, but one thing I worry about for this is that kids growing up using this won't have a good enough foundation to verify that the code generated isn't complete bs. Past a certain level of complexity llms can and will make mistakes, and often these mistakes are pretty subtle. I guess maybe people back in the day worried about similar problems when calculators first came in, but at least calculators have guarantees for correctness.
>>152188945>I agree it's useful, but one thing I worry about for this is that kids growing up using this won't have a good enough foundation to verify that the code generated isn't complete bsNta, but can't you argue the samething with binary or machine code too?
>>152188662>all the people who were alive to remember the world before internet dominance will be dead.The more upsetting thing is AI dominance, and the entire perception of computers. There's ultimately only a 30-ish year span where computers were understood as an actual tool, and not just a magic box that does whatever you tell it. Hilariously, the latter is precisely what the layman's understanding of a "computer" was restricted to when the concept first arose in post-war America. This was basically the premise for the entirety of shit like "The Jetsons".I've heard it referred to as "the calculator problem" or something like that, where the first exposure most people had to a complex electronic device was a calculator, and nobody understood how it worked; they just knew they put info in and got answers out, correct, every time, so that became the average person's conception of any kind of computer, no matter how much more complex it might be than a simple calculator. The fact that increased complexity only increases margin for error in the hands of an inexperienced user is completely alien to them, and will be forever, now that you can literally type a question into a magic box and get a clear, concise (even if completely incorrect) answer out of it.Scary times ahead.
>>152188945Yeah, I worry about the same thing. Including for myself, I'm a little concerned I'll become reliant on it and get rusty with basic skills. But can't ignore it because of that. I guess I'll have to keep writing some code by myself, unassisted, every once in a while to keep myself sharp.
>>152188698>though more likely we're all dead within the next 20 years.I feel like this is best-case scenario. Therefor, it will not happen.
>>152188989>now that you can literally type a question into a magic box and get a clear, concise (even if completely incorrect) answer out of it.I think Google using a half-based AI to give people answers for every search result is a big mistake. Maybe someday it'd be a nice idea, but right now it's constantly spitting out factual errors.
>>152189032*half-baked, not half-based
>>152189032One with query, if you rightfully don't trust seeing the text without it.
>>152189002My current projections revolves around genetic modification with AI. The rich are going to be desperate to achieve immortality, and they'll try to do it with CRISPR and extreme genetic modification. They'll both use AI as well as trying to collect the genetic information of as many people on the planet as they can. Eventually, someone with access to the tech will get some ideas, they'll make a genetic kill virus, and week later all life will be gone with our DNA shredded to ribbons.The End.
>>152188964You mean verifying that a compiler compiled some code correctly? I mean sure most people don't have that skill, and compilers can have bugs, but those bugs at the very least understandable and (comparatively) easy to fix. And compilers usually are pretty well vetted. If an LLM makes an output mistake for a given input prompt, there's not much you can do to fix that "bug", since it ultimately comes down to its weights and you aren't gonna be adjusting those manually.
>>152188423This. Only normgroids were ever "with it".
>>152188452>This has created a new paradigm where NOBODY is with 'it' because there is no longer an 'it'.The reality is that the "it" is something incomprehensible because the culture born from the internet users who started browsing since birth (their mommies gave them a phone to shut them up) is clashing with the ones who lived through a time where AI or phones with internet access existed resulting in two realities and two "it"s. The "it" from the internet and the "it" from the world outside the internet and the corporations want to force the two together for convenience and profit regardless of the results.
>>152189135*clashing with the ones who lived through a time where AI or phones with internet access did not exist
>>152188423For me is like Attack on Titan, Game of Thrones, Voltron, and Squid Games.
>>152188989>so that became the average person's conception of any kind of computerThis was exactly my boomer dad's perception of computers. I helped him digitize his business and did all his invoicing for him, and every now and then he'd request that I do something that the software just wasn't designed to do. Trying to explain to him that a computer can only do what it's programmed to do was a fool's errand. They think knowing how to use a computer is the same as being able to instantaneously write your own programs with a few keystrokes.Unfortunately, AI is basically already at that point, and will only get better.
Just gonna embrace it and look like this 10 years from now
>be 22>already getting called "Unc"I'm not gonna make it
>>152188826Thwn what happens?
>>152188565>>152188591It's pejorative like ok boomers but towards anyone older than 20 cause this mentally retarded generation still thinks they'll be underaged forever
>>152189237It's funny how, among GenX and Millennials, the internet fostered more body positivity because it created all these outlets for people to express their personal preferences and how they didn't align with the hollywood ideals. But now, the era of the omnipresent "influencer" behind 10 layers of makeup, constructive surgery, and AI image filters is basically mindfucking zoomers with unprecedented beauty standards.I've already seen many great compilations of zoomers "crashing out" online after they get their first gray hair/wrinkle/hairline recession or whatever. Shit's fucking hilarious.
>>152188423I'm still fucking perplexed about the whole late 2021 Pibby thing.Genuinely felt the most out of touch I been on the web when everyone and even /co/ was gushing and speculating about what was seemingly a deviantart webcomic premise.
>>152189322Ops I meant for op >>152188381
>>152189314Why the hell are zoomers already getting grey hair and wrinkles? The youngest ones are barely 30.
>>152189538*oldest ones, not youngest. The youngest are still in school.
>>152189538Eh, there's always been some people like that. I knew kids in high school who were balding, and others who went gray in their 20s. Just look at Steve Martin, here he is with color but he went white super fast.
>>152189553couple years later at 28ishhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZD4ml7QbPw
>>152188381In relation to /co/, somewhere around Adventure Time. I remember seeing people talk about it, my brother's friends would kind of obsess a bit, but it just looked ugly to me. I remember I'd turn off the TV and go to the library, so I'd probably need carbon dating to recall exactly when that was.
>>152189314>I've already seen many great compilations of zoomers "crashing out" online after they get their first gray hair/wrinkle/hairline recession or whatever. Shit's fucking hilarious.If there's one thing that I like about getting old is that I can see younger people have an existential crisis when they realize they're not young anymore over and over and over, and it never gets old
>>152188683bitch please when you were 10 years old there were no streamer millionaires get fucked fuck off you fucking tard child you have no conception at all of how rapidly things are changing around you you're literally a boomer waiting to happen god you fucking sicken me you're so so so stupid like you want to be stupid like you could have been smart but when you realised you could be stupid instead for engagement you did that actively because in your dumbass shit for brains mind engagement means importance and not just oh look, a fucking dumbass, I hope you choke to death trying to drink a soda you fucking moron
