Butch Hartman's at it again!https://x.com/FairlyOddFather/status/2013392342343131609
>>152194707>General 2 Day Event Ticket: $1,499.00>VIP Ticket (Includes special VIP dinner) $1,649.00
>>152194707I won't go unless there's a PlayStation 3 with FIFA 15 and a kiddy ball pit i can shit on
>>152194707Means jackshit when the industry is dying. Even CalArts grads are not getting jobs in animation when they graduate.
>>152194739Randy's burning in hell, why would that ever happen?
>>152194816Troons and such have been getting more violent lately.
>>152194707>All the money from Hart Conhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9copUadFL4&pp=ygUXdHdvIGJ1Y2tzIHN1cGVyYmFkIG1lbWU%3D
>>152194707Sounds kind of egotistical, but I wish him well.
>>152194707You know business is in trouble when the big names resort to sophistry
>>152194707>that picture He's getting older...
Butch Hartman hate these days feels really performative and forced
>>152194707Say what you want about John K but at least he delivered his Kickstarter project even if people think is shit, Butch never delivered Oaxis despite getting the money he asked for and Atoms never delivered his movie because he was a retard who didn't do research over that union bullshit
>>152194707I'm considering the possibility some people will make a big deal about going so they can produce a critique video calling it a scam or some other form of content bashing Butch which will give it enough traction to be a modest success.>>152195489Yeah. I think the guy has big flaws but there are bigger fish, right?
>>152194707Is he gonna teach people how to grift $250k from Kickstarter and deliver even less than John K. managed (i.e. nothing at all)?
>Get industry advice from people who haven't been able to land a industry job in the past 4 years or longer!No thanks, outdated info you can already find for free online. The western industry is fucked and rapidly changing, very little about what they have to say will apply to the current/future job market. There is a reason why you're seeing a bunch of industry vets trying to sell "advice" online now, because they aren't finding work either.If you're someone seriously trying to get a start somewhere right now your only real options is to aim low and get work on smaller indie projects. You really can't get into this field anymore with the idea it will be a living wage when starting out.
>>152194707His ideas later in his career is pretty bland, he's gotten worse at drawing, he has a bunch of controversies like tracing for commissions and rip-off Kickstarters, but he clearly knows how to wine and dine executives and producers to get a show off the ground. If someone could teach how to talk to executives and how to verbally sell your idea, almost like a speech class but for a specific purpose, I think that'd be much more beneficial than yet another, "I'll comment on your pitch bible" lecture. Like when people say, "Let's network with professionals!". The fuck does that mean, exactly? Walk up to them and start talking about cartoons? How do you approach total strangers and not make it totally obvious you're trying to sell shit to them or that you're only talking to them because you want something? That's the part of the industry that never feels clarified.
>Butch Hartman hate these days feels really performative and forcedCry about it.
>>152196063>Say what you want about John K but at least he delivered his Kickstarter project even if people think is shitThat nigger took ten years and the end result looked worse than the average flash cartoon on Newgrounds
>>152196532It's amateur awfulness made me laugh, that was enough for me.
>>152194707If people want to waste their time and money then whatever.
>>152194790This is literally why he's doing this con. When you can't find work, you become a "guru."
>>152196063Based
>>152194707No one fucking about this piece of shit
>>152196976if he pulls some shit like this then something will happen to the man
>>152196976Fucking lol
>>152196063Hateful fart cartoon
>>152194707Overrated as fuck.None of this shows were ever good.
>>152194707He's been getting pretty desperate in his old age.
This man hasn't created anything in years.
>>152197280Wrong
>>152196063Atoms returned the money though
So it's an industry convention. It's just an industry convention.>NOT a typical fan conThen advertise it as an industry convention rather than trying to advertise to casual fans
>>152198314>ended up broke and having to sell his original production artsHe should have kept the money
>>152194790The corporate cash cows are dead. The animation industry is just returning to what it was before the financiers targetted it for their scam.
>>152194707>.netLmao
>>152198391Industry people are broke. They need kids with clean credit histories to buy these tickets.
>>152194707Is this where we're getting the big Oaxis release? People have been waiting for it for years now.
>>152198391Fans are an income source, so it’s ok to trick them
>>1521947321.6k dollars and he won't even talk at the dinner with youGenuinely who is this for, I want to work in the industry but I'm fucking broke and actual people who work in the industry are broke, who's gonna pay to go to this?
>>152199372>>152199417Now that I think about it. It's not really an industry convention because it fails to offer the most significant thing those conventions are for. Networking opportunity.Butch burned a lot of bridges on his way out from Nickelodeon and has almost no connection to the "new guard" of showrunners who would be who you'd gun for for a good internship which is objectively what the actual driven people looking for a spot in the industry would be after over simple advice.It's worthless.
>>152199417>meanwhile an Annecy student ticket with 10x the networking potential and actual recruitment opportunities on top of all the stuff Butch is offering is €75I can only pity the poor, desperate fucks who fall for this grift.
>>152194707Butch really needs to cut it out before he passes away the last if whatever goodwill he has left.
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>>152199417$1500 and they don't even include food?
>>152194707>"I'm not like the only girls" pitch>"please give me money price" taglmao who the fuck does Butch think he is? Does this nigger really think he's on this kind of tier?
>>152195489I don’t hate the guy, I am concerned AF. He claims to be a man of God yet does this shit expecting insane profits back. I genuinely want to know what’s going through this guy’s head
>>152199469The target audience is in between, there’s a whole sub economy of aspiring entertainment industry fans who will never take it seriously but want the fantasy and industry pros willing to indulge or take advantage for the right price. It’s what one might call a con.
>>152200426just a year ago this guy started offering courses and they're much cheaper then this. I dunno if anyone has actually bought them. He claims to offer everythinghttps://www.butchhartman.net/art-academy
>>152200537*I should clarify the pre-recorded courses are cheap but the coaching he offers is expensive as hell.I guess it is a bit shady. I remember earlier this year I tried contacting him on his new studio website because I was interested in a job just to find out the contact email on there isn't even real
>>152200588lmao what are these prices>I tried contacting him on his new studio website because I was interested in a job just to find out the contact email on there isn't even realholy fuck lololololol
>>152197293I don't really get why he's been doing this for like a decade now. He has two pretty successful shows and was pretty well known based off of them alone. Why not just peacefully retire instead of making/doing shit no one wants to see? >>152199417You have to be gigaretarded or rich and bored to actually do this, what the fuck
>>152201177I have a feeling he spent all his money on stuff because he thought he was hot shit and now none of the companies he used to work with want anything to do with him
>>152194707>>152199417Jesus, the ticket better at least include a handjob from Tara Strong.
>>152199941He created what is possibly second most over-milked kid's show ever (even though Teen Titans Go may surpass it simce they somehow have the same number of seasons). I would also have a inflated ego if i striked gold like that
>>152196301why the fuck are you name-fagging?
>>152201177>He has two pretty successful shows and was pretty well known based off of them alone. Why not just peacefully retireHow much does he get from those shows is the question.
>>152200436>HartCONWell at least the name is honest...
he's always been like this https://youtu.be/MKEfQGoviQQ?si=BDWtt40dMDiO5oor&t=2867
>>152201254I don't know, I'm not saying they made him a millionare, but all the shit and weird decisions he made in the past are really weird regardless. Only a complete cheapstake or someone desperate from money (probably from being irresponsible) would make a con like this
>>152196371>How do you approach total strangers and not make it totally obvious you're trying to sell shit to them or that you're only talking to them because you want something? That's the part of the industry that never feels clarified.It's been clarified plenty on /co/, but anons never want to hear it. I've personally outlined the process several times. First, you don't walk into a room with the intent to get anything out of people or to pitch an idea to someone. People don't like feeling used and they can smell that shit a mile away. "Networking" is just a fancy word for making friends with people in your field. When you go to professional events, you can take a little comfort knowing that pretty much everyone is there with the same mindset - to meet people. Breaking the ice with someone can feel awkward, but it doesn't take much. You can ask someone what they're drinking, complement something they're wearing, ask a question in relation to the event, ("so what do you think the chances are they'll pass some food around later on?") or even just say "Hey! I don't think I've met you." <offer hand shake and name>. From there it's the same old shit. While you *can* jump right into what they do, sometimes making small chit chat is a good idea first to warm up the conversation. People usually play along. They WANT to talk to you, so if you do the work of helping to get the conversation going, most people will feel relieved. If they're being super cold and mostly unresponsive, just politely taper the conversation and move on. You're not a failure, they're being a dick. (cont)
>>152195336What did you expect, that he'd get younger with age?
>>152196371>>152196371>>152201361(cont)The idea of someone not wanting to talk to you can feel like a nightmare, but most of the time people will be down to make some polite chit chat. Eventually you can get around to talking about what they do and what you do. It's always best to ask questions and let someone talk about themselves. If they're socially adept, they'll toss the conversation back and ask you questions as well, but you don't want to be the person who talks too much about themselves. If you want, once someone has gone on for a bit, you can take the opportunity to relate something that they said to yourself as well so you can slip in what you do. "Oh man, that workload sounds ROUGH. The last project I worked on was kind of like that. I'm an animator and I was working on..." or whatever. Try to keep tabs on how long you're talking and if you find yourself going on for a bit, make sure to turn the conversation back. You don't need to get your whole resume out there or anything. This is all about first impressions, so just be friendly and leave a good impression. The conversation will end at some point. If you don't exchange info, it's okay. You'll end up seeing the same people at events over and over again, so you want them to remember that they've seen your face and had a nice conversation. The next time you see them, you'll have an excuse to walk up to them, remind them of when you last saw them, and ask them what's new. If the conversation seems to go really well, you might want to exchange business cards or social media links so you can stay in touch. Make sure to have your shit ready. Business cards used to be key (and it's still a good idea to have a nice one), but a lot of times people will just exchange instagram usernames. Use a QR code or get them to type it into your phone directly. (cont)
