Are the IDW Sonic comics actually good or do I just want to fuck all of the original characters?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qtB2D7tC4w
More Lanolin please
>>152275556Can't stand most of it, sheep tits are nice though.
>>152275556>is blank sonic media goodthe answer is always no, sonic hasn't been good for like 30 years
No, but you might as read itWhat, you got anything better to do?
>>152275556The book's quality drops off hard after Metal Virus, save for some stuff like Scrapnik and the first classic special
>>152276138Shadow Generations was lit
>>152276138Lying on the internet is so easy
>>152276528Even Frontiers was kinda good
>>152276247That starts even before the metal virus arc ends, it goes on for way too long.
>>152276983I disagree, the series peaks at Surge's two fights.
Are Tangle and Whisper lesbians?
>>152278163About as much as sega will allow, so not much to write home aboutIt's really more of a "strong friendship"
I miss this gay duck.None of the later villains measure up to him. We barely have anyone left besides Eggman.
>>152278263Some people only want Eggman for some reason.
>>152276983Sonic and friends being completely out of character is the main problem of Metal Virus.
>>152275556The art is good, but the stories are overall bad because the writers don't agree with one another on what the stories should be. It being "canon" is really a curse because they can't do anything that exciting lest they interfere with the games. New OCs can trauma dump all they want but they'll never do anything relevant to Eggman, Sonic, Shadow or anyone else major from the games. Had it been a non-canon story, I think it would have found its footing by now, but as is, it's just a mess of shitty writers who are too inspired by Steven Universe and anime for their own good. There are a couple of characters that could become good if they were rewritten and given more to do, but I highly doubt they will pull their shit together if the crap they've done so far has been "well received".
>>152276247>>152276983Metal Virus sucks balls, it's every deviantart and fanfiction's zombie story with Sonic characters. It goes dramatic as fuck to the point it's hilarious with these goofy ass cartoon animals, like those shitty Spongebob zombie fan drawings but with no blood. And they realized they fucked up because they never went that hard with the drama ever again.
>>152278315How?
>>152278365>way too angsty in general, we’ve seen how Sonic & pals deal with crisis situations in games such as Shadow the Hedgehog or 06 and they aren’t nearly as mopey>Sonic is constantly questioning himself, something he’d never in one million years do>so much importance is placed on Sonic’s moral-code like he’s Batman, Jap-Sonic doesn’t see himself as a hero let alone someone with a moral-code, he just does what’s right in the moment without placing much thought in it because it comes natural to him>Eggman is too sadistic. He’s absolutely a bad person in the games who’d mind control the populace to get what he’d want but Metal Virus seems to enjoy the terror in of itself where game Eggman would merely see terror as a means to an end>Shadow is a complete retard jobber. Even the biggest Flynn dicksuckers concede this.>Whisper’s flanderization of weepy crybaby started in Metal Virus
>>152278477They're pretty mopey in Frontiers. I'm sick of looking at that sad face Amy does.
>>152276138>the answer is always no, sonic hasn't been good for like 30 yearsThe answer is always "maybe" because Sonic is a huge franchise that is a sea of mediocrity and cringe with occasional islands of excellence and the only way to find out what is what is to set sail and explore it for yourself.
Why are mobians so fuckable?
>>152278829why haven't they come up with a better word instead of mobian? you know, since mobius isn't a thing
>>152276247>after Metal VirusAnon, the quality dropped long before that arc and has been continually digging itself deeper as it went on, only peeking out of the hole for Bad Guys and Scrapnik Island before continuing to dig deeper.Metal Virus itself is fucking trash. It's very clearly a scrapped Archie plot thrown way too early into IDW's lore, and even if the world and its characters were properly established I still have little faith Flynn could make it not shit. Honestly I trust Pontaff more than I do him, because at least Pontaff wrote a good Sonic Boom episode.
>>152278263I'm no Archie fan, but the Egg Bosses were one of the few cool ideas they had. Why people are so fixated on having Eggman being the only villain ever is insane to me. Even the games had the idea to shake things up with new villains now and then, and even then they couldn't let go of Eggman having to be the ultimate villain in the end (see Lost World and Forces).Yeah, most of those new villains suck. There's no denying that. But I'd take an experimental climax and being disappointed if it meant I didn't have to see the fucking Egg Dragoon for the 5th time.
>>152278845I just call them furries.
>>152278829Perfect size.
>>152278329wonder how surge would react to shadow.would she want him to join up and get payback on sonic? try to kick his ass and job even more?
>>152276138Gee I wonder who made this post.But no. IDW is lame outside of maybe the bad guys mini and SoL stuff featuring Amy.
>>152278329>>152278985>Implying Shadow wouldn't job to SurgeShadow in IDW is a fucking idiot who was completely dumbed down to Knuckles' level. You just know the writers will cop out with Surge coming out on top somehow in the most retarded fashion they can think of. And I say this as a Shadow fan.
>>152279046“YAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasss!!”
>>152275556is it ecoterrorists in an active, violent struggle against a totalitarian polluter that is using animals of the forests to make robot slaves? it isn't a mercurial, chaotic good character and his friends getting organized with esoteric crystals referencing the entropy of the universe?oh it isn't? oh okay then it's shit.
>>152278949I agree. I like the concepts of Surge, Mimic, and even Clutch before the writers invariably screw up their executions. I personally also wanted to see someone from the Restoration become disillusioned and turn on them and at some point I thought it would be Lanolin.If there are new villains to be introduced, I hope it's not something immediately world-ending like metal virus or whatever the hell Sega went with in Frontiers.
>>152279046Anon's fucking triggered, lmao.
>>152279091But that’s not what the games are about
>>152279206oh really? the instruction book for the first sonic the hedgehog video game says nothing about saving animals (animal rights) ?do you think that video game developers in japan did not read or hadn't heard of nausicaa? do you think that shintoism doesn't play a part in environmentalist undertones for literally all the games? do you actually think levels like "chemical battery zone" and "oil ocean zone" aren't a statement about uncontrolled industrial progresss?
>>152279094>If there are new villains to be introduced, I hope it's not something immediately world-ending like metal virus or whatever the hell Sega went with in Frontiers.They can't even keep a hold of their minor villains, like everyone needs to be poorly misunderstood losers who need a smile and a pat on the back like it's the fucking horse show. When you give redemption to Rough and Tumble of all fucking characters, you need to rethink your writing career.
>>152279206The original 90s Sonic games were always about oppressive industrialization. Just watch the environments of Sonic 1 as you progress through the game as each level slowly becomes more and more mechanical the closer you get to Eggman's lair.
>>152279289>Rough and Tumble>could have be semi-dangerous dorks like Wario and Waluigi>nah, just neutered bully characters nowFuck.
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>>152279312Springyard comes before Labyrinth you filthy casual.
>>152278477>>Eggman is too sadisticAgreed. People like to bring up him shattering the world in Unleashed, but given that this is the same Eggman that DIDN'T want to blow up the earth in SA2 (and in fact joined Sonic and co. to stop his grandpappy) he knew the Earth would be ok. Same Eggman that also knew using his planet drainer too much would kill the Earth in Lost World, despite how easily it took out Knuckles and Amy.
>>152279441then it just proves anon's point that it was getting more industrialized as time went on.also it's probably organized that way in the picrel on purpose. the top levels are more nature or "end of civilization" themed, and the bottom row is mechanized and manufactured
Alright, here’s the actual answer. Dr. Starline was what was actually carrying IDW Sonic. The metallizing liquid corruption plague and whatever were cool, but the sexy hypnosis fetish duck was the reason it was all worth it from the beginning. He’s great in the intro arc, he’s great in The Bad Guys, and he peaks in Impostor Syndrome before he got the axe for being someone’s fetish. If he does not come back, I cannot pay full attention. He is my favorite Sonic character now and if I had my way, he actually *would* have beaten Eggman and replaced him.
>>152275556Of course they aren't. They're for autistic retards.
>>152278829They aren't, but the people that want to fuck them like them since they're child sized, furry, and always smiling. Basically, they want to fuck children and animals and they want them to smile at them while they do it.
>>152279046>let’s use Shadow to condemn current thing by putting him up against a faction that he’s been friends with in canon for 20 yearsOuch.
>>152279482> before he got the axe for being someone’s fetish.Someone cares to explain?
>>152279441Labyrinth Zone was meant to be stage 2, but playtesters deemed it too hard so it was pushed to be stage 4.
>>152279046>Shadow killing government agents makes him evil>Shadow killing disgusting black creatures makes him goodGigi is unironically media illiterate
>>152279046You touch the latinas, Shadow's coming for you.
>>152279968*latinxes, freak
>>152279968This cracka know what's up
>>152278477>Jap-Sonic doesn’t see himself as a hero let alone someone with a moral-code, he just does what’s right in the moment without placing much thought in it because it comes natural to himThis was a big deal for me too, especially since even in America, his theme song in both Adventure games literally describe him in this way to a T.>>152278488>They're pretty mopey in Frontiers.Flynn worked on Frontiers too. Go figure. Why do people still like this guy? He was fine back during Archie for being better than Penders, but the dude has clearly overstayed his welcome.
>>152279675Anons making shit up in their heads.
>>152279522Just another Sonic 06 retcon.
>>152276280>Shadow Generationskek, good one, anon
>>152279046Are Sega employees or affiliates (whether full-time, part-time, or freelance) allowed to use the IP characters for political messaging?
>>152278477Making sonic batman is the big one for me. Its just so fucking stupid.
>>152278985>>152279017Both Shadow and Surge in these comics are pathetic jobbers, so it’d be interesting to see them meet to see how these writers get their brains melted trying to figure out who’d win.I’d prefer they team up to bully Sonic, but IDW Shadow is allergic to having any relationship with anyone, including his own team, so probably not.
>>152278477>>152279450He was sadistic in that shitty zombie arc, but as stated before they dialed waaay back after that because they realized they can’t have the funny scientist guy we love to make jokes around in the games truly despicable. So he’ll never do anything like that ever again, which is good because he should never have done it to begin with.I hate these shitty melodramatic OCs they have, but I’d rather the modern approach of only having them be angsty while the game cast is normal.
>>152278163>Are Tangle and Whisper lesbians?They weren't pitched to SEGA as lesbians, so they'll never be lesbians.
>>152279046Sonicfags are so pathetic and tasteless. This is why they keep consuming absolute dogshit
>>152278477>way too angsty in general, we’ve seen how Sonic & pals deal with crisis situations in games such as Shadow the Hedgehog or 06 and they aren’t nearly as mopeyOne thing that pisses me off about this is how the tone being set could've been a great way to contrast Sonic's unrelenting upbeat nature. This page where Cream lost her mother and is emotionally shut out was the perfect opportunity for this. He could've reassured her, promising that he'll bring Vanilla back and make things right no matter what. Both of them put on outward appearances, but Cream or even both deep down will have some doubts that'll make the scene have an ironic sting to it. But no, Cream just gets ignored until she's killed off entirely. It can't even be a fucking melodrama right. This arc is so bad it retroactively made me look at Flynn's work in general in a negative light.>>152279450Not to mention Eggman was bizarrely passive when that's NEVER been his MO. He doesn't just let anarchy reign, he goes out of his way to be in control of his schemes. Motherfucker had to be dragged by Starline just so he could get off his ass and do something. Eggman acts like a completely different person solely to justify Starline's character arc, which undermines the whole thing when it's based on such a faulty premise. Hell, nearly all of the conflicts Ian brings to the comic suffer from that issue, it's almost always contrived nonsense.
>>152279229Way to prove the point.
>>152281040Way to simp for trannies like a low test libcuck.
>>152280797Sega has never given a shit, hell they practically endorse it at this point.
>>152281064>calling out your sperg out is simpingThat's some next level projection. Got something you want to say to the class, anon?
>>152281099>ermmm, you care that we’re attempting murder? That’s not very progressive of you.I can smell the soilent on your breath through the monitor
>>152279258It was about a goofy mad scientist trying to find magic gems. The overemphasis on nature vs. technology was more Sega of America's angle.
>>152281217The world of the original 2D games was chill all things considered.
>>152276247I will never understand the people who think a handful of meh stories is worse than two years of nonstop angst and crying and nothing fucking happening.Metal Virus was really fucking bad and the book has generally been better since it ended.
>>152280797Sonic was calling the police fags back in SA2, anon.
>>152281558>a handful of meh stories is worse than two years of nonstop angst and crying and nothing fucking happening.If you didn't specify "two years", I genuinely wouldn't know what you'd be comparing.
>>152281622You know what, you got me there. But for all the problems I have, a lot of Evan's stories were better than Ian's. The book in general's been better since Metal Virus ended. Never as good as I'd like, no, but better.And then 2025 happened, holy fuck. Every single issue was absolute dogshit.
>>152278949Unironically post reboot archiveverse had some really good ideas, eggboss's were perfect for having new villians while still having eggman be the big dog
>>152281645The Egg Bosses are a good concept, but in execution it was filling quotas and checking off boxes. So much of the reboot was making stuff for the sake of making stuff, which led to really bad stories and boring characters.
They're bad. Sonic comics have always been trash. Especially Archie. They're prime autism fuel. Ian Flynn is a shitty overrated writer and fuck the stupid fanbase that made Sega hire him for the games
>>152278949Having Egg minions would be nice. I was kinda hoping that Infinite would fall into line to replace the hole they left, but I guess that's not happening.
>>152279482There are still people who think he's coming back. Personally, I think it's going to be a vampire arc, but we'll find out who/what is in the chaos emerald coffin soon enough..
>>152279046Is Shadow an illegal? He was born in space after all.
>>152281776The ARK was property of the American stand in.
>>152280976>So he’ll never do anything like that ever again, which is good because he should never have done it to begin with.Which is why after learning that this was just a reused Archie comic plot, I believe that the true perpetrator of it would have been Maw. He gets tassle boy as a guinea pig, something happens either because Maw wanted it too or not, and it spreads from there. Eggman somewhat comes off clean and Maw gets defeated.To play further on the horror, I'd turn Maw into William Birkin, where the virus would mutate him to more and more monstrous designs, thus necessitating Super Sonic to cleanse the virus.>>152281024>Not to mention Eggman was bizarrely passive when that's NEVER been his MO.Also this, it's clear Eggman did his study of the Lost Hex before he went to take it over, because how else would have know not only about the Zeti, but the means to keep them inline with the conch? At the very least what they could have done it let Eggman control the hoard and THEN introduce the fact that it's mutating beyond control.
>>152281723It's probably him.That said, I would have been cool with his death if they didn't botch the execution. It's the perfect scene, but it totally failed to make it satisfying. Having him snap as he gets crushed is what you want. No idea why it was scripted the way it was.
>>152281888Ian said that he never got past the napkin sketch stage for it as an Archie story and had no idea who would be doing what.
>>152281723>idw ever making a cool new villainIt’s the gay fucking duck AGAIN
>>152281888It's very easy to rewrite Metal Virus to be fun.>Eggman is making zombies and directing them around. A couple issues with the crew trying different strategies and gradually losing allies as it gets worse.>Eggman loses control, it starts turning into the metal ocean Silver talked about instead of that plot point going nowhere.>The Zeti are called in by Starline but they hijack it, start losing themselves to the metal ocean.>Finale is Super Sonic and the crew on Angel Island vs a metal goo oni or, if Sega is too strict about branding, Giant Zavok controlling the metal ocean.Bing bang boom.
>>152281957They really shouldn't have shared all the "He was gonna be Frankenstein themed" concept art if they intended to bring him back.>Ian said he was dead for realsies!Ian lies constantly because Sonic fans are way too autistic to not lie to.
>>152279046ICE Eggman and Metal deporting Shadow when?
Reboot Archie was a fave back in the day. That and the comic dubs. Nowadays, I'd like to see something like that again but Sonic ISN'T part of the team and is instead an ally. Tails and Amy as Freedom Fighters works fine, just not Sonic.
>>152275607This but because she's a bitch and not because she's hot. I need her to cause problems.
>>152282009Reboot Sally and Nicole are pure SEXO
>>152282103Both Nicoles are hot, she's specifically designed to be.Sally is mid and only fanart deigns to make her attractive.Bunnie sexo.
>>152281983I’m gonna be mildly annoyed if they make him a vampire, just because a vampire sonic villains sounds cool but they’re wasting it on the sassy gay idw duck instead of a Bat
>>152282009I prefer OG Sally specifically because I think the darker brown looks batter and I aesthetially like the fuzzier face
>>152282135He's gonna be Frankenstein, not a vampire, even if they probably want to make Count Duckula jokes. They were making a vampire villain for Shadow's one-off but it got cancelled.
>>152275556They have good art but amateurish writing.
>>152282168Source? I heard it was just a tie-in to the current “Starline is stealing the emeroowds” shit
>>152282207Look up the writer and artist online. They talked about the cancellation. Shadow was going to get a new villain and the story was going to be "like Wickerman."
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>>152280209>Sonic dosent see himself as a heroAnon..
>>152282207Starline has a Frankenstein design in his concept art. He also knows how to hypnotize people and get into Tails' Workshop. It's definitely him.
>>152282153I'd take Sally's SatAM personality with this design.
I wish to pump my sizzling hot seed into the majority of mobians.
>>152282347I mean doing that to Big will end in your death but I will honor your sacrifice.
>>152282364He's got a lot of cushion for the pushin tho
>>152282364Isn't Big confirmed gay in canon? Or in IDW canon?
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>>152279046This is the kind of Own the Edge I like.
>>152282406No? You're probably thinking of this shitpost British magazine article from 2003https://x.com/HistorySonic/status/1954628884739322125
>>152282347How commen are humans in that version though? If it's like idw where its just eggman they might confuse you with him like how gun thought sonic was shadow despite looking super different >Hey he's not eggman okay? He's absolutely not thinking about enslaving us mobians and creating a evil empire... Right?>Uhh... I might a little..
They are really not great.And they keep burning through characters like they are in some kind of hurry.Surge retired from her primary role almost immediately, Lonalin faded back into the background at the first opportunity and Lunar ended up being some pointless one off character despite being hyped up as a big deal.
>>152279017Has Surge really beaten anyone but Whisper? She needed Kit to help her go 2 v 1 against Metal, and Metal is a huge jobber even in the game continuity.
>>152282476Preboot Archie has Overlanders and a colony of humans descended from a plane landingReboot Archie had humans and mobians in almost equal numbersBoom has animal people far outnumber humansIDW supposedly has TailsTube island lore where all the animal people live on islands and humans live on the mainlands but even when they go to human locations we only ever see animal people.
>>152282528She raped Rough and Tumble once
>>152282490Surge is the primary writers disagreeing about the exact kind of morality judgment calls the arc she was introduced in was predicated on. Ian is very much of the mindset that once you've been made aware of your faults, being a victim doesn't excuse your actions anymore. Evan seems to be of the mindset that mental trauma and illness leads to extreme irrationality and hypocrisy that can ping pong around. These stances just aren't reconcilable with a "I was made this way via abuse and choose to be this way now BECAUSE I don't want to get better" character.Lanolin got sacked because too many people were too loud that she was bullying Whisper and Silver, and now throwing her out has led to even more people having some pointed words about how the characters are handled.Lunar was very clearly a speshul lil guy who was supposed to be star of a low stakes story, but then Shadow got slapped in and the next arc is super important so it all got botched.
>>152282311Still not convinced that IDW won't just say it's an all-new character who's always been around watching events from the shadows, because that tends to be how all their non-Eggman villains get introduced.
>>152282406No, none of the Sonic characters are part of the LGBT, hell Whisper and Tangle aren't even official gay, because Sega won't let Ian and Evan do it in the story. This fan base likes to post this >>152281078 (mostly on twitter) like Sega is all for the LGBT, but if they can't even have two OCs say they love each other, do they really care? Do any of these big gaming companies care, who trot out their rainbow avatars for one month just to throw them away, never acknowledging that base unless a controversy stirs up? You'd really think people have wisen up by this point?
>>152282558Even without Lunar's story getting interrupted, it's SO low stakes that there's really nothing that seems like it would lead to the character needing to return for any particular reason. It's literally a story about some kid who needed some group consoling with their parents. That's it.
>>152282558Lanolin is also written different from how her creator intended. ABT has a different take on her in his Twitter comics.
>>152282593Lunar also stole a Chao Emerald which might tie into the next storyline with Sage and Metal Sonic.
Frontiers takes place before Clean Sweepstakes
>>152279482only thing Starline was good for is hypno rape porn
>>152281641>And then 2025 happened, holy fuck. Every single issue was absolute dogshit.>Lanolin drama is concluded with a nonsense apology at a literal group therapy session>Clutch gets a whole issue to say what we already know (Eggman kidnapping him means Eggman has him. He isn't in control of his stuff anymore.) and give Rough and Tumble a quasi send off.>A perfectly ok Surge issue.>Mimic just gets the shit beaten out of him for a dozen pages and then commits suicide. Everyone smiles happily after watching a serial killer explode.>Nothing story designed to set up the next year or two of the book, IMMEDIATELY contradicted four issues later.>Lunar's shitshow.At least Evan has the excuse that Sega was asking her to rewrite stuff after inks were finished, no idea what happened with Ian's issues.
>>152282600He's said multiple times now that he likes how Ian and Evan write her, it's just that they're doing a (very slow) buildup. And yeah I can see it. Everything she's done so far is consistent with his version, she just still has a lid on the crazy. Problem is how ridiculously long it's taking and how the squander good chances.
>>152282576>none of the Sonic characters are part of the LGBTDon and Nite are.
>>152282674ABT's vision of Lanolin can't work in something like Sonic, and IDW's comedy/dramatic writing isn't good enough to facilitate a character like Lanolin.
>>152282593Sometimes it's good to have a quick story you don't come back to. The execution sucked, but the idea was fine.
>>152279450He helped Sonic and co in SA2 because otherwise he would have died too
>>152282694>It can't work in SonicSure it can. Very easily, even. We've already had characters like this. The important part is emphasizing that, in her desperation to do things correctly and her frustration with everyone else being abnormal, she's the abnormal one.She only "doesn't work" if you think Adam wants her to be correct.
>>152282674>she just still has a lid on the crazyShe doesn't come off that way in the comic.
Sonic comics can never be consistently good because they have to appeal to the kind of human being that tweets about sonic comics
Flynn's writing in Frontiers is so shit. They introduced Sage and the writing does a really terrible job at making you care about this character who's tagging along with you the entire game
>>152282576Gigi is demanding rewrites because someone misgendered Lunar saying “them” instead of “Xim”
>>152282764>Flips to violence weirdly fast.>Mimic's prodding seems to get to her easily.>Starts acting unreasonable to the point her own teammates avoid her.>Therapyspeaks herself out of actual apology.Eh. I think it lines up. She's just not full schizo yet.
>>152282784This. They aren't aimed at kids, they're aimed at adults who buy floppies and nerds who repost stuff on social media.>>152282802Yeah. I think part of it was the game itself and the ST designers, but his script really didn't help.>>152282809Source on "demanding rewrites" or I'm dismissing you as a malformed diaper shitting freak.
>>152282811You’re thinking too hard. If the crying grouphug was meant to not be genuine, you’d see the lesbians making faces at her for being fake instead of accepting her back with open arms. This comic has never been coy or subtle.Abt’s just in full simp mode for Ian and Evan because his OC made it into the series proper. Most of his comics about her actually being dark and schizo are just pure fanfic made after she got in trying to make her more interesting to the fandom, same as her random new Mom who suddenly follows her around everywhere in his art trying to cash-in on milf fetishism for popularity
>>152279505Easy on the projection.
>>152282811She just comes off as an angry karen that gets exacerbated with the eccentric character's antics. I've never seen anyone defend her as being schizo or in the wrong. But if that's what ABT is cooking up in his books than that's cool I guess.
>>152282476Gun’s racist towards Mobians?
>>152282926>you’d see the lesbians making faces at her for being fakeSilver does it, and Tangle is extremely rude to her, and Whisper doesn't even accept the apology.
>>152282635>rouge potentially stripped naked and got mind control therapy like surge+kitdid this lead to anything?
>>152282687Are they a couple, or are they "business partners", because if I'm wrong, I'm fine with that.
>>152283011You’re exaggerating and misreading direly.All of them are nice to her again after the apology. They’re only lightly catty with her before the apology. Afterwards threy do a gay crying grouphug and put her back in charge with all forgiven.
>>152282737Yep, but in the credits, he questioned why his grandfather went so far. Eggman doesn't want the Earth dead, even if its for self-centered reasons.
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>>152283011Whisper doesn’t reject her apology nor does anyone. She just doesn’t say a word to anyone until “i’m gonna end Mimic” because she’s trying to act edgy
SEGA. This could be Sonic but you playin'
Eh, better than Archie.
>>152282674I really have no idea on what they want her character to be, honestly I think they just fumbled itLike sonic characters can be introduced in crappy media, like silver or whisper and still be liked but like I don't think anyone likes herIs she supposed to be a full on cunt? That would be more fun than whatever she is supposed to be now
>>152283329>I really have no idea on what they want her character to beSally. Just without the in love with Sonic part.
>>152283329she needs a bf
>>152283358>SallyArchie Sally.
>>152283384As opposed to?
>>152282696The bigger issue is they were hyping the character up as a big new player.
>>152283402Not so much him, but the arc. Since its the start of the whole "shorter, self contained stories" era.
>>152283168Is that Eggman really still the same Eggman we have now? The ending of SA2 felt so final to his character that I always had trouble believing this was the same guy in later games. Well, except maybe Heroes but that one he spends locked in a room my Metal Sonic so it checks out. For later Eggman to still be at it like that ending never happened feels like it would require completely ignoring that ending and assuming it never happened.
>>152282809>All this emphasis on the character's gender outside of the comic.>Read the actual issues.>It's just a boy who idolizes Sonic, wearing a gender neutral outfit that you see both his mom and dad wear anyways.>Absolutely no emphasis on their gender identity.What was with this push? Even Nights has more evidence of actually being nonbinary.
>>152275556Manga is better.
>>152283534The manga where eggman fucks shadow and pees on amy is better
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>>152283329I think she’ll recover the next time she appears.
>>152283656sexually?
Almost zero interest in this comic but I love the fanart that takes the piss out of it.
>>152283459Make him a lewd trap and you’d be accused of sexualising. Make the characters wonder if it’s a Boy or Girl instead of knowing the right pronouns instantly and that’s misgendering. Safer to just do nothing at allJust get excited and call it “ayo peak” because they called the stinky boy by his name.
>>152275607Need want must
>>152283679The funny thing is it's actually the opposite. Surge barely says anything to Sonic while he monologs at her about why letting a known sociopathic planet level threat run free is actually ok.
>>152283819How has no one scanned this yet?
>>152283672
>>152282687They aren’t. Evan just headcanons that them and the original diamond cutters are.
>>152275556The comics are actually garbage, but the IDEA of the original charcters like Surge and Kit are cool. Their designs are cool. Sadly, they are completely wasted.
>>152284244Apparently Don and Nite were pitched to Sega as gay, so they get to actually be gay.
>>152284244>the original diamond cuttersThat was Ian.
>>152279094>and even Clutch He's literally just a bootleg Mammoth Mogul. At least Surge, Mimic and Kit bring some original stuff to the table.
>>152275556Its a comic for childrenwhile archie was for teenagers
>>152283358She’s too incompetent to be IDW’s Sally. Amy was supposed to be IDW’s Sally.
>>152283459Xhe’s queerbait for twitter obsessed autists like all the other IDW OCs.
>>152284264>they get to actually be gayWhere? If you only read the book you’d never know they were supposed to be gay.
>>152284274Am I crazy for agreeing with Whisper that naming yourselves the same name as her dead team was weird?
>>152284543No, Tangle is a retard.
>>152283178>Proof of "Gigi demanded this" is "Evan said she sent in corrections on the script too late"Diaper shitter, got it
>>152282561At this point it would be bad writing for it to not be Starline but IDW is no stranger to bad writing.
>>152284543>>152284552Was there a more tasteful way they could have had the new team adopt the name of Whisper's old team?
>>152284778Why would it be bad writing? Anyone who thinks it's Starline is kinda inventing that in their mind. Reduces a cool moment actually having the balls to kill him.
>>152284848No one but Starline knows who everyone on the monitors on is in >>152282311 on top of knowing about Tails's workshop, being able to hack into Badniks, previously collecting all the Emeralds and being able to hypnotize people. With all that in mind it would be more silly for it to be a new character over Starline.
>>152284605Read the last line niggerGigi literally calls for it to be rewritten in collected version to fix Xher’s pronounsAlso I hate archieshit
>>152284837“I want to be named the Diamondcutters!”*Whispers starts seething*“In honor of the fallen team, of course. To continue their legacy. If Whisper doesn’t want that she should say so now like an adult woman and not throw a passive-aggressive bitchfit that I suggested this in obviously good faith.”
>>152284848>>152284993They're also covered in badanges which could be from the base collapsing on Starline.
>>152283412It's so frustrating how ass backwards IDW has been handling this comic. The short, self-contained arcs should've been from the start, because that's are how you build up the world that requires longer arcs. Instead we're stuck with this comic playing catch up because they realized after 80 ISSUES that having long, continuous arcs without a defined world to begin with was idiotic.
Don't worry, Lord Metal will carry the upcoming story.
"yah you guys have the president, the army, the entire police force and ICE, but WE have sonic the hedgehog! Feel stupid yet, chud?"
>>152285062It's probably starline because Surge needs her "hero" moment against him
>>152283679Fleetway Sonic would've handled things better
>>152285371It is so fucking weird seeing my state in the national news.. again Even the Republicans here want them to leave, we just want to be left alone
>>152285499Surge fans… they are making fun of all five of us again…
>>152285520Actually that's the designer quoting something said about Surge.
>>152285418>fanfiction This is the real Sonic
>>152281983The dead for realsies thing was clearly because someone higher-up realised he was created by a fetishist and needed him double-dead immediately. That said, Vampire Starline would make me even hornier considering I have a crush on Secret Subject and Astarion.
>>152285190Awesome concept, but is this canon?
>>152285609I believe it is stated that they have special skeletons on top of the Metal Virus in their bodies.
>>152285019>"Gigi did this!">No mention of Gigi anywhereRichmunk...
>>152285371Your seethe at the stupidest shit even is sad.
>>152275556I tried getting into them but the first arc was boring
>>152285737Your simping for the gayest shit ever is faggy.You’re not sonic the hedgehog, even though i know all leftists think they’re cartoon characters irl
>>152285783It’s tame
>>152285822Maybe if you didn't shoot people in the back you would have an easier time doing that.
>>152285876AWOOGA
>>152285876would...
>>152282529So, IDW runs on Dragon Ball rules?
>>152286345Animal people in DB don't have their own territories. They're just a minority of the regular human population.
>>152286439Sounds like what >>152282529 described. Where you show up to a human town and just so happen to run into the handful of mobian migrants. This might also imply that Sonic and Friends are drawn to and choose to hang out in mobian ghettos.
>>152286653Huh... Checks out
>>152282836>They aren't aimed at kids, they're aimed at adults who buy floppies and nerds who repost stuff on social media.So like all modern western comics for the past 10-15 years, give or take. But Sonicfags act like it's only bad when Sonic does it when the entire industry has been doing it.
>>152283428>The ending of SA2 felt so final to his character that I always had trouble believing this was the same guy in later games.Sonic Adventure 2 was SEGA's swan song. The Dreamcast (and almost SEGA itself) was on its way out even around SA2's release, and the future of Sonic was uncertain. The way I see it, they took a lot of risks because they likely had nothing to lose at the time, and giving closure to a lot of characters was not off the table - from Eggman's ambitions being inspired by his grandfather, to Sonic being the actual ultimate lifeform (both of which have been retconned since).
>>152286847And Shadow dying.Shame it didn't stick.
>>152286884According to Iizuka, they always planned to bring Shadow back. The only difference was how soon. It would've been many games later, but his popularity throttled him into the very next game.
>>152275556>Are the IDW Sonic comics actually goodThey never were.
>>152286924I wonder how popular Gamma was, considering that never happened to him. He's actually dead and never coming back. When talking about SA1 with other people, he is frequently one of the game's highlights. I guess they figured Omega was a suitable replacement.
>>152286585cuuuute
Fang is the father
>>152287098What are you talking about? Gamma went back to her family at the end of SA1.
>>152287317The robot and the flicky are not the same entity. The flicky is a power source, not a consciousness to draw from.
>>152283178
>>152287317also they're both male
>>152287331Well I mean, that's like saying that the Titan in Tiberian sun isn't the same entity as the soldier that spawns when a Nod stealth tank blows it up!>>152285719Don't summon the Sally hating IDW skitzo. We were having a perfectly civil conversation here aside from faggots talking about the real world politics images with sonic characters used as mouthpieces.
>>152285838>You’re not sonic the hedgehog, evenI don't even like Sonic. You're just pathetic, dude.
>>152286798>15 yearsTry 30.>It's only bad when Sonic does it!No, most of the American comic book industry is diseased.
>>152287098Supposedly, he and Chaos were originally planned to come back in Sonic Heroes, being a team with Big. They ended up not doing it
>>152285499i really wanna see the full image cuz this is exactly my sentiment (endearing)
>>152285667metal virus is involved in their creation?
>>152288387Yeah, part of it was fused into their bodies.
>>152286847The position of SA2 in terms of Sonic games shouldn't be overlooked, and those calling it "outdated" should truly give it a second thought. I believe the game is, and should still be considered, one of the main entry points to the franchise, even 26 years after release.There are many factors that play into this, many related to its availability on Steam (easy to get, with big discounts or even free in bundles). SA2 is consistently the most played Sonic game on Steam, and not only is it one of the better ports (something Sega is known to screw up), but it has an active modding community that fixes any residual problem with the port and the game itself, keeping it alive and well.This leads to positive word of mouth, good reviews, and most of the fandom sincerely (for the most part) loving SA2. So, it really is no wonder Sega is always bringing back one thing or another from the game.
>>152286653Will Megami return?
>>152288447I don’t remember that, I thought it was just the power cores. There seems to be so much untapped potential with them.
>>152287098>I guess they figured Omega was a suitable replacement.Which is why, even though I like the current Omega, the Archie Omega (who was given Gamma's free will upon his death) was cool to see.
>>152285418>>152285586
>>152288903Only if she's somewhat like pic related.
>>152282737Well yeah, that just makes sense. In MV Eggman was planning to just fuck off to another planet for decades.
>>152282462This article belongs in a museum, it's pure art.
>>152281217oversimplification and cope
>>152284279Surge is literally a bootleg Scourge, what are you even on about?
>>152292054She's not just a bootleg. She's a much more rapeable ryona-slut bootleg.
>>152283178So how many people posting this screenshot of Evan's blog but saying it's Gigi do it on purpose to start shit, and how many are just retards repeating shit without thought?
>>152289301They've basically got Wolverine-style regeneration from a modified variant of the Metal Virus
>>152292054Surge isn't really the same thing as Scourge just because she looks similar, though. Scourge is a literal alternate sonic from a dimension where everything's better and he's just an evil cunt.Surge, on the other hand, is basically some random normie who was kidnapped, mind-erased, and turned into a weapon to fight Sonic and Eggman with. And this happened, of course, because IDWnic refuses to so much as send his villains to jail, which means Eggman and Starline are able to go around doing whatever the hell they want."Civilian screwed over by villain the hero didn't get rid of turns into villain out of anger themselves" isn't exactly the same as Scourge.
>>152292887>Surge, on the other hand, is basically some random normie who was kidnapped, mind-erased, and turned into a weapon to fight Sonic and Eggman with
>>152288147That is the full image, it’s a sketch
>>152288903Probably
Surge = Ore and KisamaKit = Watashi and Kimi
>>152288903>MeganiWhat a stupid name. I know it's an anagram but it still sounds dumb.
>>152284295After the family therapy storyline we just got it really does feel like this is almost exclusively for very little kids now. Like, younger than the games.
>>152288464>SA2 is, and should still be considered, one of the main entry points to the franchiseThose always dismissing SA2 as a current entry point (no matter how old the game is) to the franchise often do it due to the implications of what they set forward in the mind of future players.It is the same as those who dismiss Sonic X. Sure, that anime may be 23 years old and may have many issues, but it is incredibly disingenuous to pretend it doesn't hold weight even to this day as the sole Sonic anime. You may hate the anime, but it is impossible that a mostly weaboo-based fandom, especially in modern times, such as the Sonic one would not watch it by default just for that.
>>152293755This arc was such a letdown
>>152293788They were so proud of it too with how they promoting Lunar only for even the normies to hate it.
>>152281024I think the metal virus arc is a left over from the Archie comics desuI dunno maybe you can soft retcon it as starline subtly influenced eggman into being more destructive because that was his idea of eggman(also wanting a non robot assistant) and eggman gradually came back fully when he ditched starline
>>152294196Could've been cool to retcon genocidal Eggman into being Nega in disguise, with the real Eggman still stuck in White Space.
>>152281024Absolutely nothing on this page makes sense for these characters, even in a "they're so shook they're out of character" sense.
>>152292290Post the one where she's tied in half and gets destroyed by human penisSame artist
>>152294259I can't be assed to reread the comic but has IDW ever touched any of the multiverse stuff?
>>152293997I'm dumb at catching references, who are these alluding to?
>>152295932Are you drawing these?
>>152296101Ni
>>152295918They aren't. Someone just decided to put effort into some OCs.
>>152293951Did they have split personality or not?
Whisper needs more fan art
>>152295875>has IDW ever touched any of the multiverse stuff?No
>>152286345So mad that Toriyama just genocided all the animal people later in Z.
>>152294259I mean.. I like the idea anon but that would be too great of a retcon>Character was actually someone else all alongIs too hackey, maybe even for sonicIt could have worked if someone pointed out that eggman was acting a bit out of character or something >>152297916To be fair he might have legitimately forgotten they existed, launch had a 10/10 design and she got dropped
>>152285586this shit is so fucking ass man, Sonic getting all preachy and I know he's done it before but this is so gay
>>152296781Yes but Lunar takes a backseat to Soleil after the reveal.
Adapt sally into the IDW comics dammit
>>152298960Pack your bags Kuta that fight is long over
>>152299173I’m him reborn because I don’t know who that is
>>152285418https://files.catbox.moe/1smd1u.mp4
>>152298960You would get Reboot Archie Sally and the writers would try to make her a lesbian.
>>152296781>they >>152287333
>>152299866I'm cool with that
>>152299928Okay then
>>152281078SEGA of Japan made Hardlight delete this picture btw, they're very obvious in how shallow the extent of their rainbow capitalistm goes with them pledging to not discriminate against gays in Japan but they're still under the control of people that believe children's media should be for children and not mentally stunted adults.SEGA of America is 100% pozzedThe IDW comics Gigi works for are owned by a super pro Israel guy that donates to Donald Trump funnily enough
>>152275607Lanolin is so beautiful
>>152300066ITs a shame she's trapped in a shitty comic only online autists in their 30s are reading
>>152300066I wanna see her MAAA every time she tries to talk serious
>>152300153Yeah, we know you're a juvenile retard.
>>152300066
>>152300066>>152300221Who has fatter bags, her or Rouge?
>>152300238Lanolin gets to have big tits while Rouge is being censored for some reason.
>>152300551It's because of the cleavage. Skin infuriates Sega
>>152300667Meanwhile Sonic is naked
>>152300667>Skin infuriates SegaActually it's HIT Detection, a hyper gay yet sex negative consultancy firm that told them to censor Rouge so thy get ESG brownie points.
>>152300012So Sega of Japan will never allow Tangle and Whisper to be gay? Awesome.
>>152298960Sally is gone, Anon. Move the fuck on.
>>152286439He just felt like drawing animal people sometimes, I promise he didnt think about it more than that. DB earth doesnt have much "worldbuilding" after Piccolo shows up because Goku gets too powerful to give a crap what anyone below planet-level power is doing
>>152284163I don't know. I wish ABT would just sell it digitally or something.
>>152298960Cramming Sally into IDW isn't going to magically make Ian and Evan less boring writers.
>>152300066damnit
>>152298960Why? What the hell would you even get out of that at this point?
>>152302709What do you have to lose? Not like this comic has any dignity in the first place.
>>152285586>>152298261Ian fundamentally doesn't understand that part of Sonic's appeal is that he doesn't put himself on a pedestal like this. He can be a cocky jerk, sure, but he would never do this sort of masturbatory monologuing. He doesn't hype himself up like some insecure schoolkid, he hypes OTHERS up to be at his level.That panel doesn't read like Sonic dialogue, it reads like Ian regurgitating his what he found on the Sonic wiki.
>>152302756Adding Sally would not magically make the comic not shit. If anything, you risk further ruining Sally as a character by her inclusion.
>>152300238Lanolin is kinds hefty so I want her to have the bigger tits.
>>152282635Did anyone actually draw him doing hypno porn or is he only drawn for his feet like every sonic character?
>>152278477There's nothing here I disagree withCurrent Sonic IDW is completely different to virus Sonic IDWEven fan edits were showing off how bitter the storyline was making the readers
>>152303430Whisper is kinda thick
>>152303448Yeah she's pretty stupid
>>152303409I’m also interested in this because I’ve never seen Starline porn
>>152303603>check deviantart>wrinkly feet and 3D models>check image related>gender bends (maybe everyone actually thought he was a girl, or maybe everyone into porn/making porn is trans these days, or maybe characters like surge, tangle and whisper are so unfeminine no-one wants to fuck them)>check specifically for hypnosis>basically 5 unfinished and badly drawn imagesIt is a no-no fetish that gets you debanked but I expected unpaid artists to have made more, maybe I need to be logged in because Sonic characters might be tagged as young which blacklists them, can't be bothered to check
>>152300066I'm 100 percent certain Lanolin can get away with her rack due to the cowbell covering it.
>>152278477>>152303430whisper was always a worthless bum
>>152282809Lies. GG wrote a god damn GUIDE BOOK on Bluesky explaining Lunar has no gender and how you're supposed to refer to him. Yes, it was insane.
>>152276247I'd argue it's all the fault of how Surge and Kit were handled. They were 'the next big thing' after the Metal Virus but they weren't allowed to really be threatening, the writing for Sonic was too stiff and their character arcs haven't really gone anywhere notable as antagonists since then, hell they're already acting like anti-heroes. And as others have brought up, IDW is way too forced with the furry drama nonsense. People would say it's a limitation from SEGA's 'mandates' but even if we say that's the case that just means the writers are trying to force the comic to be something it can't be. It should be treated as a more light-hearted story with episodic stories. You can see them trying to do that recently but it's still tainted by trying to force us to care about the emotions of characters like Whisper when most just don't.
>>152286345>>152297916Toriyama wrote in DBZ Kakarot that the animal Earthlings are the result of taking drugs made by the RRA's cover company, it was a fad to turn yourself into an anthro by taking those drugs. Characters like Oolong (who was only 8 in his debut) claim to have been born that way, so maybe his parents took the drug and he inherited the mutation as a result. Could be the same for Puar. Either way the reason their population dropped isn't because they died, it's because the fad stopped.https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Animorphaline
>>152304439On one hand, that's a stupid retcon that only serves to smooth out the whimsy OG Dragon Ball had. On the other hand, that's also the most Toriyama explanation imaginable.
>>152304135Instead of a big heart highlighting it
>>152282462What the fuck is with this writer and Cream?
>>152305274She’s a loli. She’s so fuckable it makes you wanna cryhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=zWBYgWAdM9k
>>152304135Adam making the bell bigger was his sneaky way of sizing her up.
>>152300238Adam's art says Lanolin has bigger boobs but absolutely no ass or thighs.
>>152305274Sarcasm I think.
>>152304404> it's all the fault of how Surge and Kit were handled.I'd attribute this to how characters appear to be more segregates lately. Game characters esp. Sonic aren't allowed to have much character nuance besides the fanservice-y adventures while OCs, on the opposite end, gets all the melodramatic horseshit. Surge and Kit who are conceptually pegged to main game characters suffers the most from this arrangement since they cannot really play off of IDW Sonic & Co as villains so their stories are binned with other OCs as you mentioned. The change in their writing directions wasn't subtle either--you can just tell that by Surge's second fight with Sonic, whatever the writers' been cooking with her by IS and Issue 50 had been thoroughly trashed, resulting in:> They were 'the next big thing' after the Metal Virus but they weren't allowed to really be threateningAnd it just feeds into the villain issue currently. Surge and Kit among other OCs could have filled a 'middle power' role btwn Eggman and his non-character bots, while not necessarily aligning to his agenda. As of Issue 84, we just have Clutch as Eggman's puppet, MAYBE Sage who's also in Eggman's pants, and the bondage guy--he had better be good.
>>152306495She wears very baggy pants though
>>152282311My issue with this is that it means he's already been revived. It feels like this is something being revived.
>>152307131I think she had a ton of potential even after the second time when she had that asspull electric generator thing. The issue came after a gap when she suddenly became an undercover good guy. It just didn’t feel natural at all.
>>152307466To hide her lack of booty.
Mobian women? Made for human men
>>152309628Sonic characters aren’t built for ass!
>>152282802>>152282836I don't understand these takes in regard to Flynn's script in Frontiers, considering that apparently even the Japanese Sonic fans preferred Sage's characterization in the english version with her being Eggman's daughter and it seems like SoJ folded in doing that going forward with her interactions in both the official Sonic Channel artwork of eggdad and her along with the interactions between them in Crossworlds. So apparently you guys are just flat out mistaken on that.
>>152309853
>>152309881
>>152309853>The script was bad.>Japan preferred it to their Babblefish tier localization.Ok? These are two different things. The dialogue in Sonic Frontiers is shit. All languages.
Sex with Belle!!!
>>152310249rare goon
>>152309806Tails is built for 2 asses.
>>152310249Think she was designed for that?
>>152309853>the Japanese Sonic fans preferred Sage's characterization in the english version with her being Eggman's daughterAny source for this claim or just word of mouth?
>>152309881Will Sage redeem the IDW comic?
Would she be more popular had she been depicted in this style from the start?
>>152309853The Japanese version of the game already implied a father-daughter bond, only less on your face.On the post credit scene, Sage calls Eggman "Otousan?" (More or less "Dad?" or "Daddy?").
>>152308689The worst part of the wisp cage wasn’t that it was an asspull it was that it set Surge’s power ceiling ridiculously low. Sonic with a broken leg easily dealt with her. It was Evan saying no matter what handicaps Sonic may have or no matter how hard Surge could train she will never be able to beat Sonic. Is it any shock she became one of the good guys after that? There was nowhere else to take the character.
>>152307131Problem is they can't really do anything with other villains because they'll never be in the games, and so will never be relevant. All because these have to be "canon".Seriously, what are Surge and Kit gonna do? They can't kill or permanently injure any game character because they'll show up later in the mainline games or spin-offs, so at most they can hurt one of the other comic OCs. But they can't be relevant either. You'll never see a long arc where Surge and Kit take over a city and build themselves up as big antagonists in the world, because then you'd have to address that in the games, and they're not gonna do that. You'd be creating barriers for game devs, the ones who actually matter, to do whatever they want with the characters. You'd also have to explain who these characters are, because most game fans do not read the comics, and can feel lost when introduced to these characters in the middle of their arc.And even the heroes are cucked, because in the mainline games, most of the game hero cast haven't been relevant in forever. Silver, Blaze, the Chaotix, they all haven't had any real spotlight outside of racing games and spin-offs since Forces. If those game characters don't get their dues, the fuck are the chances for shitheads like Whisper or Tangle? Do you really think they'd ever do a game where they're playable or relevant in any way when there are 10 game characters the game devs would rather use? They're only on Crossworlds because they let anyone in that bitch, and they'll be mute skins with as much importance as a Fortnite skin.
>>152304272Would be better if her main goal didn't involve the death of game character, and the one character she did kill(?) she had to 3v1, so the satisfaction isn't there either. Now she doesn't really have a plot of her own because Sega will never allow her the joy of Eggman's death. I still like her design wise and her abilities, but her story should have been different.
>>152312132I really don't believe mimic is dead. It was too vague.
>>152312078And there in lies the problem, canon. For some fucking reason, this fanbase was so RABID to have the comics (be it Archie, Fleetway or IDW) being canon, and now that we have a "canon" comic, it's worse off for it.Again, like or hate Archie, we at least got a world were almost anything can happen to anyone. Just limit game characters from getting into romances or getting out of nowhere family members, keep the shipping of OCs to a minimum and let the writers adapt the world in a way to address the games post Forces. And as for OCs showing up in the games, keep them to spinoffs or REALLY make them work for the games in itself (like if Sonic and Surge face off, make it a fun boss fight instead of the clear one side it was in the comic)
>>152311728Yes, nobody likes the human designs for 06. It tried to look next gen for the time and, outside the prerendered cutsceens, still looked bad.
>>152312132She didn’t even kill Mimic. He killed himself so that Whisper could continue to lez it up without any friction from the whole murder thing. Flynn is a complete hack.
>>152312414Did he write that shit?
>>152312132Making a sniper who *wants* to kill people is deeply retarded when you're writing a licensed comic.
>>152312628Yeah, he wrote most of 2025's issue. The whole year was fucking terrible sans the Chaotix issue, annual, and Surge issue. No idea what happened.>>152312414No, he just has moronic ideas on how to handle things he doesn't have complete control over. His own stuff is good.
Pop quiz: Is this discussing a bad fanfic, or IDW Sonic. The answer may surprise you
>>152312840I think this comic is mid, but whatever point you're trying to make only works in your head.
>>152312849> rewritten about a dozen times and re styled about five >Angsty and not very well thought out>"OMG,EGGMAN HAZ TEH GUN?!" style story telling.It describes IDW sonic to a T anon. IDW is bad Fanfiction
>>152312803the chaotix issue was terrible too. Threw away the entire chance for a cool thief villain to instead have them lecture a museum owner about gibs. Then at the end they just walk up to her and say hi and nothing happens. Some "Mystery".
>>152312881It's sad when the schizos in these threads are recognizable
>>152312780Just like how giving Mimic a knife was dumb as well, I get they wanted to make him "edgier" but come the fuck on, not ONCE did that knife make contact with anyone's body, not even a graze on the skin. He HAD a Blue Wisp companion, but no no no, can't let the Wisp be a bad guy, so it left him to join Whisper. Hell, just give him the same weapon Whisper had, and give him Black (power), Crimson (flight) Ivory (Speed) and Jade (Ghost, working well with his own innate ability), and then make the knife a last resort.
>>152312780Whisper and to a lesser extent tangle are introduced in the aftermath of Forces and feel influenced by the player Avatar, being resistance fighters with specialised roles. Whisper specifically has a subplot built into her story. She is designed for a somber war story that hardly exists anymore. Now that the war is over and her nemesis dead, I don't see her doing much besides picrel.Which is a shame bc Whisper is my favourite out of all the Restoration OCs, design, backstory, MGS references and all (I can see Sniper Wolf and Quiet in her). She a PG-13+ character stuck in a family property that doesn't have a place for her anymore.
>>152312132>Would be better if her main goal didn't involve the death of game character, and the one character she did kill(?) she had to 3v1>>152312414>He killed himself so that Whisper could continue to lez it up>>152312780>deeply retarded when you're writing a licensed comic.Imagine if,>genesis wave 2.0>Whisper the Wolf is the best gawddam sniper in the resistance>she teams up Sonic Heroes style to take out Badniks>she helps Sonic to fight big battles, she helps others to fight at Sonic's level>she is an emotionally distance Outdoorsman who does recon when not fighting, She Does Not Cry>she crushes on the boys and when a boy first interacts with her, it's the compliment her exceptional shooting, even Shadow does this>her traumatic PTSD riddled 2edgy4me backstory is... Eggman captured her resistance friends and she thinks it's all her fault because she hid and cried, so she decided to gitgud so it'd never happen again>... later Lanolin/Jewel reveal to us a witness report or camera footage that she did try, she just couldn't shoot for shit and hid as she was about to be captured, her decision to gitgud was good but "She shouldn't blame herself">... later later Sonic and Whisper free her friends, Whisper is not a loser and Does Things but doesn't overshadow Sonic, Whisper loses the character traits of Brooding Loner and replaces scowling with smiling>Tangle literally has no complementary skills and should not be paired with her even as a friendWow, we now have a Stronk Brown Female Karacter with none of the baggage, we might even be allowed to keep her boobsAm I wrong? Is the Modern Audience™ really what's keeping IDW from dying and appealing characters are in fact unappealing to the queer market?Do girls like Whisper as she is at all? Her entire design and gun choice says "No" to me even if she is female, like how girls prefer Amy to Sally (but that might be because Sally's hot, aka competition)
>>152312881You got ridiculed by multiple anons for projecting your weird white victim complex on to the story in the first thread and it's been really obvious it's you again in every subsequent thread.>>152313520I don't think that's really the problem at all. Those aspects are fine. It's having Eggman and Mimic directly responsible for *killing* her friends and writing her as wanting to kill them in return that's the problem.>NameHot.
>>152312078> But they can't be relevant either. You'll never see a long arc where Surge and Kit take over a city and build themselves up as big antagonists in the world, because then you'd have to address that in the games, and they're not gonna do that. They don't have to, either. Frontier happened in an entirely new region and even if not the game developers can easily do away with anything comic related. I don't see why you can't just let the OC baddies set up shop in a region that won't be used in the games, or other options. If anything, there is more writing inconsistencies btwn each mainline game w/ Eggman being the prime example.
>>152313506They're both Archie style OCs in execution despite all the efforts made to make them like game characters.
> It's having Eggman and Mimic directly responsible for *killing* her friends and writing her as wanting to kill them in return that's the problem.I agree. These more gruesome aspects of her story and motivation no longer fits in the IDW comic.
>>152286653>no knuckles>no mighty the armadillodon't care
>>152313520>She is designed for a somber war story that hardly exists anymore.Could've been cool if she was from Silver's future. Quiet normie resistance fighter hanging out with this superpowered hothead.
>>152314068Isn't silver's future off-limit to comic writers?
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>>152314146ProbablyNo-one actually knows the rules Sega gives these people even if we like to joke about how "There's no Team Dark" is one of them
>>152314315The thing with Team Dark is that Ian, Evan and the others want to portray them as they did in Archie, as a established unit working for GUN literally under the codename "Team Dark", rather than how Sega wants them: as 3 allies (read as "friends") that join forces when the situation calls for it.Fuck, I would even say that these IDW issues where Rouge and Shadow work together are more related to them trying to reach their ideal of Team Dark (but failling to convince Sega to add Omega), than just shipping fuel.
>>152279482It's surprising that he actually died and stayed that way, he was a very major antagonist.
>>152313506Mimic being a Wisp slave driver makes a lot more sense than him having traditional weapons like a knife. It means any time they disarm him he could just come back with a different set of Wispon weapons that he's forcing the Wisps he kidnapped to power up.It could be a way to show how much Eggman has rubbed off on him, now that he's reduced to using Eggman's tricks for survival.
>>152314482People are speculating he’s coming back soon
>>152314482Wait until #100, which will be a very long way away with the release scheduleIf it's not him then he'll probably never come backHopefully he's dead dead so they can't ruin him
>>152275556>low amount of viewsFaggot, did you just make this idw thread just to shill your video
>>152303005Which is weird because he used to. Post-boot archie was full of him putting praise on others in both dialogue and inner monologue. He got like one scene doing introspection under Moss, and he was clearly uncomfortable with it.I'd blame IDW, but the MLP comics didn't have this problem.
>>152312780It was post-Forces, her character made sense in that she was coming off the war arc. It was all aesthetic in practice, much like Mimic's knife is to emphasize he's ruthless enough to attack civilians, or Tangle's tracksuit is to show off she is a small-town heroine.For some reason no one got that this shit is like if people decided Tails wasn't allowed to tag along on adventures unless those adventures were specifically about his tech or his biology. Like a Penders plot but way too fast-paced instead of taking fifteen years to finish.
>>152303005>>152315237Ian said this speech mostly came from Sega, which is believable since almost every piece of Sonic media from Japan has a scene that explains Sonic's philosophy like this. I do wonder how the Japanese translation of this issue will handle that speech, as the that version of IDW has some minor changes.
>>152304272>feet
>>152315237The MLP comics also had a suspiciously well-informed portrayal of hypnosis, by the by.
>>152312256Problem is it came out just at the advent of the next generation of consoles, they didn't know what they were doing so it just ends up looking like PS2 with more polys.That said I'm playing the PC recomp now and the game is not as bad as it's reputation. Lost World and Forces are probably worse, and so was Shad05 before it. I dropped the Unleashed recomp because of medal requirements but I haven't dropped this (yet)
>>152315281I don't believe that for a second. That rat bastard loves to throw anyone he can under the bus to salvage his own rep whenever he fucks up. Meanwhile he routinely says shit on his podcast that makes his understanding of the characters seem questionable at best.
>>152287331They definitely imply the flicky's consciousness was bleeding through, with it longing for it's companions. But it's really an outlier for robotnik robots.
It's so weird going from Whisper's backstory, Surge/Kits backstory then to>I'm Sonic and I think parents moderating their children's phone use is NO GOOD!
https://litter.catbox.moe/qfvlguokqhnr5isy.mp4
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>>152316351Why does Fang sound all deep and badass
>>152310998You can modify her for that.
>>152316122To these people that’s just as “traumatic”Evan even said she based the parents on her own “abusive” parents which makes me doubt they were abusive at all lmao
>>152316910>If only Sonic was there, he would have set my parents straight!Honestly cringier than Chris Chan comics.
>>152315997>That said I'm playing the PC recomp nowA recomp, or do you mean Project 06? Because P6 isn't done yet.Also, 06 originally is still a bad game, the physics, the gameplay elements, how everyone is mocapped so the in-game cutsceens are wonky, and the annoying to outright bad town missions. Sega should have never split the team up to make Secret Rings (which was also its own flawed game).
>>152315997>That said I'm playing the PC recomp now and the game is not as bad as it's reputation.It's not about its reputation that the fans of the time remember it by, it's the near fatal cultural impact it had to the Sonic IP in general that can never truly be changed. The fact is it was a soft reboot that nearly ended the Sonic IP's reputation and sonic nearly bled into irrelevancy for the following decade. Hell to this day its scars are still felt on the series as a whole.>>152317056>Sega should have never split the team up to make Secret Rings (which was also its own flawed game).While that did magnify how awful 06 was I'll still vouch that Secret Rings was a lifeline that helped Sonic limp along until it found its feet with Sonic Unleashed. >Attached picAlso the fact that this fan remaster is partially happening because of the Silver's fan cult trying to change his public persecution still doesn't change the fact that Sega of Japan sees him as a side character in Sonic's cast despite how many times his fans are trying to glaze his importance to the series.
>>152317335>doesn't change the fact that Sega of Japan sees him as a side character in Sonic's cast despite how many times his fans are trying to glaze his importance to the series.True, but you can't tell that at the start of 06's life, Sega wasn't trying to make lightning strike twice.>hedgehog>created to show off the Sega's talent with the physics (lotta good that did)>shown off at the start of marketing along with Sonic and Shadow>lead his own story campaign>fights both Sonic and Shadow>Sonic's the do gooder, Shadow is the mission man, and Silver is the one finding his placeLike in an alternate timeline, if the gameplay of 06 wasn't shit, they'd be doing might have done more with him. Or it could be like Blaze is now (who did come from a good game) and Sega still does jack all.
>>152280797>>152281078idw sonic woke
>>152317439>Sega wasn't trying to make lightning strike twiceYeah I should have clarified how Silver role in the series was dramatically reduced after 06 flopped hard. It also goes back into my first point that 06 was so terrible it permanently stunted Silver's importance to the series other than being a background side character.>created to show off the Sega's talent with the physics.If I remember correctly Silver was a repurposed physics interaction which is why they emphasized on his psychic abilities in game.>Or it could be like Blaze is now (who did come from a good game) and Sega still does jack all.Blaze hurts the most as she the best character to be introduced to the series in a long while. The fact they stuck her with Silver which caused a lot of his backlash to effect her as well really grinds my gears
>>152317056No there is an actual recomp based on the work done for the Unleashed one that nobody is talking about, I just saw it mentioned in passing in a thread a couple of days ago. Cutscenes are a bit fucked but other than that seems pretty complete.
>>152316702Why not?
>>152317439Blaze is a character Sega inherited from the THQ days and to this day still can't figure out what to do with. They clearly don't like her being on Sonic's level and her alternate-dimension origin makes it difficult to use her on a whim.
>>152318001Yeah unlike Shadow and Silver she's literally supposed to be a parallel hero to Sonic who has to deal with an arguably even more dangerous Eggman. I doubt Sega cares to acknowledge her significance.
>>152318040they already retconned Nega into Silver's villain from the future lmaohe just visited the Sol dimension for no reason but cause he wanted to, twice
>>152318054You can practically feel Sega's jealousy.
>>152275556i like lanolin but everything else is shit, especially the way shadow is written
>>152318126But do you like lanolin past her design?
How did this comic have enough pull to completely dodge "Year of Shadow" promotion? Even Prime had Shadow kicking Sonic's ass. Most the time the writers of this series act like they are powerless to Sega's demands and use their mandates to explain everything. But this really seems like they put their foot down and refused to participate.
>>152318196Not them but yeah. Mean bitches are fun. I don't like HOW they're using her, but I like her.
>>152315256The aesthetics are fine, sure.Regardless of what plot you're following up, "I want to kill the main villain and I have a gun" is always going to be a headache.
>>152318100Sega forbid any character is allowed to be better than Sonic at anything (except maybe swimming and flying, but he's got many ways around those weaknesses).
>>152318196In specifically like how her designer depicts her. So yes and no.
>>152318221the comics take 2 years to hit the shelves. Evan herself said this recent gay nonbinary guy arc was forced to have Shadow in it to promote Year of Shadow, and they tried to make that Chasing Shadows mini for Year of Shadow, but the first got delayed until literally just now, and the 2nd got cancelled for breaking Sega's mandates.
>>152318237I didn't realize that was a skirt in the background image for a second.
>>152318276Goddamn I cannot believe how lenient Sega is with these fuckers and their output timeline.
>>152318276>and the 2nd got cancelled for breaking Sega's mandatesOh, this is news to me, what was in the story to get it canned?
>>152318380Wasn't that it got canned for breaking the rules, it's that they had to delay it for so long changing shit that it was in-production for years, and now Sega recently switched the guy who rule-inspected IDW for a new inspector, and now they finally canned it for taking too long.You can read more about it here:https://x.com/IDWSonicNews/status/1990579556135399781They've had it in production since 2023, but it kept getting delayed and delayed because Japan kept saying "Shadow-Sama no wourld do this. Do again, Gaijin Biish"
>>152318445doesn't help that they apparently take weeks or even months to look at it and send back their "notes"
>>152284163Probably one of those "Gonna keep it for myself" situations
>>152318736Injustice
https://files.catbox.moe/ty7gi3.mp4
>>152317714>Blaze hurts the most as she the best character to be introduced to the series in a long while.A lot of her character was fed by her games; you'll run into that a lot in Sonic games. It was being unable to replicate that feeling that left her a muted shell of her former appeal.
>>152275556They are extremely bad from issue 1I truly hate themNo one involved in the comics understands a single sonic character
>>152320224I say it's a little more than that in her games she kinda was the easy mode gameplay wise, especially when it came to the fire stages. Yet she played both similar and different enough to Sonic that it was enjoyable to pick her and not expect a radically different shift in gameplay like in the adventure games where if you picked shadow it would be near identical to Sonic. Like >>152318001 wrote, she is a parallel Sonic both in lore and gameplay wise so she would a lot similar in Sonic's gameplay than the rest of his cast excluding Shadow.
>>152318275How does he do it different?
>>152320184AFTER MANDATEShttps://litter.catbox.moe/2doi4qp6tl37pn81.mp4
>>152275607feepee beepee
>>152310307
>>152276247As much as I didn't like how Metal Virus kept going, it was leagues better than the nothing stories that came out afterwards. Only thing worse than bad comics are boring comics.
>>152323851But Meral Virus was also boring.
>>152275556
>>152323970I thought it was exciting but repetitive
>>152324112Bill Clinton supported Israel so Sonic would too.
>>152323266explain
>>152315281Ian always says "It's because of Sega!" every time something he writes falls flat, but if it's well-received he'll credit himself.
>>152324112noted. thank you for sharing. great fucking reason never to buy idw comics of any kind
>>152324112What a fucking ChadI bet he doesn’t even read a single sonic idw comic either. Just lets the butthurt liberal trans writers like evan and gigi badly scribble their furry ocs waving gay flags pretending they’re making a difference in their little circle. Then from the proceeds throws pennies back their way, takes millions for himself, and pitches millions directly to Donald J Fucking Trump.
>>152275556They're good in spite of the mandates.
>>152324112she says with a surge pfp.
>>152326376“Ermm hecking support gay women trans writers” or something.They faced the same conundrum when trying to boycott disney, “oh but don’t boycott Owl House please cause it has wholesome gays.”
What's next for this character?
>>152326372>in spite of the mandates.The mandates exist to keep the book in character for the Sonic Universe. The Archie writers just hate them because they keep them writing more Archie instead of the game universe.
>>152275607Do the kids reading these comics actually like her or Jewel or Surge?
>>152326603I agree even though I think the mandates go a bit far in a few places.
>>152326605I don't know about the others but Surge definitely.
>>152284338They literally refer to each other as "dear.">>152284163Not everyone lives to accommodate pirates especially when it comes to indie work.
>>152326612Ian and Evan exaggerate mandates.
>>152316122To be fair the parents in question moderated him so hard that he gained a split personality from the trauma
>>152326603*keep them from
>>152316856>Lanolin on her way to beat up her friends
>>152326646Ian literally gave us a list of the mandates around the time the comic started.
>>152326624>They literally refer to each other as "dear."Is that supposed to mean something? Whisper and Tangle act way gayer than them constantly hugging each other in front of pride flags yet they are just considered good friends officially.
>>152326663Kek
>>152326694Girls hug all the time
Alright so IDW Sonic's stories suck, but what about the comic's music and gameplay?
>>152326653I forgot about that. That's nowhere near bad enough to get a split personality from.
>>152326719The comic is hard carried by the graphics
>>152326721Maybe not, I just think it's funny how they completely gloss over that in the story and all is instantly forgiven. This coming from a writer who said she was purposefully channeling her trauma for this arc then R1 button quicksteps actually dealing with anything traumatic in the narrative.
>>152326738>This coming from a writer who said she was purposefully channeling her trauma for this arc then R1 button quicksteps actually dealing with anything traumatic in the narrative.I guess that's why she wanted a longer story arc. Not that more time could fix a story beat as dumb as that.
>>152326761Yeah it also has just dumb writing like "I'm doing my own thing!" while he just copies what Sonic is doing. It's annoying too because this is technically what I want, Sonic going on random adventures helping people and other games characters showing up, but this is what we get out of it. A half-realized muh trauma character who only exists so digi can squee about her non-binary OC making it in.
>>152324112>gay feminist product>look closer>makes no money>look closer>funded by orthodox jew>look closer>he's anti-palestine, "And this is why that's a problem"It's so hard being a liberal, you get the product you want that no-one else asked for and it syphons money away from the things you hate... until you bite the hand that feeds
>>152275607
>>152326568>crashed out on live tv>exposed for illegal dumping>tried to blowup a huge blimp with a bunch of people on it>said explosion would cause huge debris to fall on bunch of people below if it wasn't moved>lives in a worn down mansion, legally binded to two idiots>is Eggman's bitch, but not in the cool way the Egg Bosses wereNot looking so hot chief.
>>152328564Actually Jewel tried to blow it up, to heckin own that chud. Clutch just steered it towards the stadium.>that hug and cry session they gave Jewel saying “it wasn’t your fault he manipulated YOUUUUUUU”Lmao
>>152329166He steered it towards the city on the ground if you remember. Jewel’s self destruct idea was already gonna blow up the stadium
>>152285371This is in character
>>152325018I guess it depends on how easily you can see the strings.
>>152329307“It always seems like there’s more police around when you don’t need em”
I don’t understand people who say characters are out of character when it comes to Sonic when the series has had so many inconsistent writers throughout the years that anything can be argued as “in character”
>>152331891>when the series has had so many inconsistent writers throughout the years that anything can be argued as “in character”You're conflating the games with non-game material.
>>152331957No, the dogshit game writing we got after unleashed for almost a decade was ass.
>>152331979The stories being bad is a far cry from the characters are being inconsistent.
>>152285371Sonic would canonically side with the police. He was 100% against violent aliens in Shad05.
>>152331957Sonic is stoic in classic, then surfer dudebro in Adventure, then generic shonen hero in 06 and Unleashed, then reddit uncle in Pontaff, then Super Mario in Mania, and now he's Superman Goku in current modern. He's all over the place and that's not getting into eveey single other character besides Eggman who remained pretty consistent until he got a daughter.
>>152332193No he wouldn't??? He was a victim of a false arrest. He'll work with them if he believes them to have the same goal as him, but if they do something fucked he'd obviously fight against them.
>>152332247>illegal alien>false arrest
>>152332279Sonic is also likely an illegal alien.
>>152332216>then surfer dudebro in AdventureUS only.>then generic shonen hero in 06 and UnleashedNo? Just Sonic. Same dude from SA1. You're confusing localization with the actual writing.
>>152332280>Sonic is also likely an illegal alien.He's a tourist, dumbass. Bro chills at hotels or bums at Tails' house when he's in the area.
>152332193Bait so shitty it makes me question how the poster is even breathing.
>>152332383United Federation is a country. They likely have border control.
