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>>152289244
>the new show that nobody's watching
Why is this applicable to every Marvel D+ series post-Wandavision?

>>152289244
I'm not watching 8 episodes to be called a racist manbaby for not wanting character race swaps.

>>152289244
People still remember Iron Man 3?

>>152289244
i watched the first two episodes, and they were alright. trevor's pretty fun, but the pace is too slow to get anyone into it.

joey pants is looking really rough.

>>152290788
It really picks up around the middle

4 and 5 in particular are standout episodes that you can watch removed from the rest of the show

>>152290753
It made 1 billion dollars, which shows how far Marvel has fallen when that mediocre slop still printed money.

>>152290753
Hey man, The Captain Falcon movie was a sequel to Incredible Hulk, theyre not afraid to pull shit from 18 years ago.

>>152291052
It was made to appeal to China.

>>152290753
It was pretty fun. I still like the Mandarin twist (well, the first one, trying to go "I'M THE REAL MANDARIN" with the whatever main villain of it was pretty silly) and can't believe people actually gave enough of a shit to complain about that.

Not like they didn't waste their "Real Mandarin" anyway in Shang-Chi. Should've made him the actual villain in the end and not some patsy of CGI monster.

>>152291109
Well that too.

>>152291109
>Chinese version has extended scene of the chinese doctor arriving to save Iron Man
>throw a hot woman in there too
They should have kept doing this. Make an alternate endgame where Shang Chi saves the day. Spider-Man where Ned becomes the Hobgoblin. Shang Chi and Mandarin (real) perform the fusion dance to defeat Fin Fang Foom, go nuts with it

it is great if you don't think of it as a MCU show

So Josh Gad is canonically dead in the MCU?

>>152291692
missing.

>>152291721
Same thing

>>152291674
How does that make a difference?

>>152292050
Show has its own vibe but I disagree about it not being an MCU show, the plot literally revolves around a super trying to hide and surpress his powers to get a role in a movie.

It's setting the seeds for the DODC being anti-mutant, which we'll later see in Brand New Day, both that film and this series also have the same director/showrunner.

>>152289244
>People still watch this shit
Sub-human

>>152292145
It's comfy

>>152289244
D+ can be hit or miss. Agatha All Along, for being a show nobody asked for, was actually pretty darn fun, and a hell of a lot more consistent with Wandavision than MoM was. I didn't bother with Echo, Ironheart, and probably a couple I forgot even existed. Shulk was nice for SoL peek into the MCU but not fantastic for it's plot. How's this show hold up overall? I know people like wonderman but I never really got into him, just vaguely know he's important.

>>152289925
Because normalfags got bored and are not autistic enough to want to watch multiple streaming shows in order to understand what's going on in the universe at any given time. It's ironic really, the MCU made the idea of shared capes normie-friendly, then became so long and bloated that it basically has the exact same problem with attracting new audiences as comics do. A kid who wants to get into the MCU today needs to watch like 30+ films and like 20+ seasons of TV to get up to date.

>>152292165
It's unironically pretty good, the show revolves around Simon and Travis and they do have great chemistry with each other. Very earnest and sincere, it's not even super meta at all despite what the trailers and marketing implied.
Also a speedy binge since the episodes are only like 20-30 minutes long

>>152292207
>shared capes
*shared universe capes, don't know how I managed to delete that.

>>152292214
You had an incursion.

>>152292231
Don't be so paranoid Anon, do you really think the would edit posts like that?

>>152292145
The shows are a coin flip. Half of them suck but half of them are really good.

>>152289244
My old roommate was almost cast as a minor character in this.

In one of the episodes there's going to be a scene where some cops are going around Los Angeles trying to find people cooking and selling drugs to local kids. It ends up being a bunch of upstanding, White upper-middle class businessmen, but before they realize they have to unpack their microaggressions they erroneously assume it's this house of gang banger Mexicans living down the street which leads to the following exchange:

> COP: "Alright, put your hands up!"
> Gang banger: "Aye Esse, we ain't doin' nothing, homes. We jus' be making candy, man."
> COP: "Candy? You mean like drugs?"
> GANG BANGER: "Nah, foo. Candy! What'chu know about Chamoy and Tamarindo?"

And then it turns out the Gang bangers make homemade candy to sell to the local kids because they're upstanding entrepreneurs.

There's going to be a bit where he calls himself: "Pasadena Man" before he gets the courage to call himself Wonder Man because I guess he used to always look up the fictional Wonder Man character as a kid and is now playing him on TV because he's a Hollywood actor. There will also be real Hollywood actors playing themselves so you can see the exciting and relatable life of jews who work in the entertainment industry.

>>152291068
That's just because they wanted to use Red Hulk and even then I wouldn't call it a sequel. We didn't get any Betty and Bruce development and Thunderbolt was basically a different character (recast and now he's the President instead of a career army man? That's not only OOC but really should've been addressed in a previous movie)

>>152292353
The full context in the show is that Simon and Trevor are blackmailed into trying to threaten someone who is seemingly threaten a drug dealer but it turns out it's just a kid running a candy business.

Then actual drug dealers pull up at the candy house and ends up threatening one of their guys at gunpoint, which the neighbors notice and calls the police on them. They end up shooting at each other and everyone runs away, the joke being that the scenario was initially setup to give Simon a legit superhero moment but it just quickly escalates to the point that they just bail because they consider the acting audition more important.

>>152291139
I just reached it as my wife never really saw any of the movies because Guardians and while we both agree Iron Man 1 & 2 are probably the best movies in the whole series Iron Man 3 quite sucked. It was decent enough I'm a vacuum but compared to the first two it was horrible and nothing made sense. Just off the top:
> Tony's "PTSD" was stupid, inaccurate, and not even in character.
He's the type of guy that would get angry and push people away or turn to drinking when stressed (like in the comics) or start thrill seeming and putting himself in danger as a way to cope (like he did in Iron Man 2 when he was upset so he commandeered that Formula One car and raced it)
This would've worked a lot better over all and even fit with the theme of "jumping into the air and hoping the suit catches you as it could be portrayed as a daredevil type thing
> The kid plot, while cute, really was a misfire
Tony was a bigger dick to the kid than he is regular people and the kid was ultimately needless. The whole "Jarvis malfunctioning and sending him to TN" thing didnt make sense and happened way too fast to be realistic. It takes a long time to get to TN from Malibu. This could've worked better if Pepper had told him she wanted to have kids earlier in the movie and he shot the idea down but after bonding with the kid and acting sort of paternal to him it makes him think that having kids could be alright. It would've been a nice arc and gave him some growth.
> Remote operating the Iron Man suits doesn't make sense
It's dumb because his chest thing is supposed to power them. Why would be ever fight in person again? Ditto for the drone army he ripped off from Whiplash last movie

>>152292447
> The suits were way too vulnerable (because they needed to nerf the suits or the plot would be over right away and they wanted an excuse to show a bunch of them.)
Even the one he made in the cave was stronger than ANY suit in movie 3 ditto for the suits from every previous movie. You get touched once and they blow up in this movie.
> The villain was stupid.
The previous movies had the villain be a type of sins of the father scenario where Tony was dealing with something that came from the past that he wasn't directly responsible for and having it tie in to his larger than life Father. That was cool. This time he was just a dick to somebody and they wanted to kill him. Also, he was a jerk to someone at a party and they spent the next 20 years inventing suoerpowers just to kill him? Thats ridiculous.
> The villains motivation is absent
Why is he doing this other than to kill Tony? He says he's got a new political backer (the vice president who wants to kill the president for some reason) that guy should've been a bigger part of the movie and the real big bad. We don't even know why he wants to do that and we have no idea why he gets rid of his perfectly good political backer to side with the guy that wants to assassinate him. Just asinine.
> The Mandarin was dumb
No one would've been offended if he was Chinese and honestly casting a Chinamen probably wouldn't made the movie do better overseas. They like seeing themselves do cool stuff in movies. It leads me to my next point:

>>152292451
> Too much subversion
The whole movie is a series of fakeouts: first you think the movie is starting but then it's a flashback, then you think Tony's on a date but he's not, then you think Tony was pretending to be a dick because he wanted to keep the business deal with Aldrich a secret but then it turns out that was a lie, then you think he on a date with Pepper but he's not, then you think they're having a conversation but OH SNAP A MISSILE, then you think he's about to save the day but he's in Tennessee, then you think Pepper is figuring it out but no the girl betrayed her, then you think Tony found the Mandarin but nope he's an actor, then you think Roady got sent to the wrong oalce but no it really was the bad guys, then you think Tony's saving people but nope its a drone, then you think Pepper's dead but nope she's a mutant now. There's a few more but you get the point.
> He wasn't in the suit enough
They tried to do a whole: "prove a hero even without the powers" thing and honestly no one ever likes those stories. We know the hero is the hero because we see other people get powers and they go evil and on top of that I think Tony is a rare character where that story is never needed. He proved he was that guy when he built the suit IN A CAVE WITH A BIX OF SCRAPS. No one else could do that. And the first two movies showed us that regardless of technology no one else can figure out how to build or power an Iron Man suit, even this movie showed us that the U.S.A. government couldn't figure it out with War Machine ti reverse engineer. Only Tony can do. He's the guy. And they already covered this in the Avengers as well when Cap asked Tony what he was without the suit: "A genius billionaire playboy." I'm not coming to the last movie in a trilogy to see him not wear the suit for two hours. That's something you pull for an episode or two on a TV show not the climax of a movie trilogy.
> It was less grounded, funny, and mature than the two previous movies

>>152289244
Maybe you should take the hint and not try to force discussion of a show no one here is interested in.

>>152289244
Maybe it's not a bad show, but like the Agatha thing, it seems so far away from the comics that it loses the "your comics characters in live action" appeal. So I have no reason to watch this rather than some other show.

>>152292207
They screwed up. Just look at Phase One & Two.

You get 3 movies in two years then a crossover movie the next year:
> Iron Man 2 (2010)
> Captain America (2011)
> Thor (2011)
> Avengers (2012)

Then I'm Phase Two, same thing
> Iron Man 3 (2013)
> Thor 2 (2013)
> Winter Soldier (2014)
> Age of Ultron (2015)

It's been SEVEN YEARS since Endgame and not a dang thing, let alone an Ave gets movie has come out. Just to put that in perspective in the amount of time that passed between when Endgame came out and now the entirety of Disney MCU from Iron Man 2 all the way through Endgame itself was released. They may as well have just stopped making MCU movies after Endgame then can't back now and started making them again and all that's happened and they actually would have more hype and goodwill had they done that then what they actually did.

Really, Phase 4, 5, and 6 have all just been maybe misfires. They should've lead with a Thor, Hulk, Spider-Man, and the Guardians movies (and maybe had them team up afterwards) them brought out Wolverine and the X-Men, Blade, Dr. Strange and maybe an Ant-Man and/or Venom movie followed by a big team up with everyone. That would've gotten people excited. They could've lead with their best players that everyone already likes and is familiar with, then teased them with some fan favorites they'd been waiting to see and everyone would've loved it. They also should've committed to having Venom stranded in the MCU for at least a movie and had him team up with someone to get back home. Possibly Doctor Strange but Thor seems more fun.

>>152292210
> Very earnest and sincere
> About Hollywood actors living and working in Hollywood
No one likes seeing that

>>152292480
MCU has always been like that, Guardians of the Galaxy was James Gunn's OCs. Thanos was essentially an OC.

>>152292384
I can't believe this actually happened. Marvel had so little faith in this show they didn't even send out a mock script. I can not stress how much I am not even slightly in the "industry" and I read the script for this episode back in like 2022.

>>152292462
He's getting paid to do it, Anon

>>152292519
My main problem with Thanos is after watching the scenes in Avengers with the space wizard and Chitarinans everything Incant believe he just jogs off to a planet and starts a garden

>>152292165
You're a woman aren't you

>>152289244
First time hearing about this.
>Ben Kingsley isn't the main character
And I continue not to care.

>>152292537
He is, he's the co-lead.

>>152292537
He is actually

>>152289925
People liked the new Daredevil, didn't they?

>>152290163
Yeah we can call you racist right now and save time

>>152290788
The guy is in his mid-70s, what do you expect?

>>152292556
>>152292572
As much as I like Ben it's not enough to deal with whatever the fuck this is
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>>152292939
That's not how the scene plays out

>>152292533
No nor do I want to be one. What opinion flagged that robotic kneejerk from you?

Show was pretty good, but it had the exact same problem as Peacemaker S2 where it's missing an actual finale.

>>152293325
Disagree, the whole show revolved around Simon and Trevor's bromance as they try to make it big in Hollywood so it makes sense the climax of the story culminated with the latter sacrificing himself so the former could finally achieve his movie career. Then at end, it's Simon's turn to help out Trevor by breaking him out of prison.

I hope trevor returned to china. unless he did something bad and they kicked him out. why didn't he use any of the martial arts skills he learned after shang chi?

>>152293325
Peacemaker's ending sucked because it basically left with a cliffhanger saying "Find out what happens next to Peacemaker in Superman 2!", which felt pretty disrespectful as the series finale of his own show and annoying because Gunn was making the mistake of tying the shows directly to the films in the DCU.

Wonder-Man is at least a contained story and apparently was intended to be a one-off series. I'm not expecting his story to get picked up in Doomsday or anything.

>>152292165
They turned Wiccan into a pathetic screaming ugly fag.

>>152292652
Yes. I'm racist. And? The show's still retarded for not just giving us straightforward comic Power Man.

>>152293959
*Wonder Man
Dunno how that mix up happened in my head.

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>>152289244
It was pretty good. It's a lovely bromance/mentor story between a broke ass nigga and his ex-terrorist new best friend. Lots of heart and chemistry going on in there and Kingsley got to show off more Trevor goodness. Some of the episodes had some high class cinematography in it and it felt like a more feelgood Bojack Horseman type of story. Surprised it's not being talked up more here or on /tv/. Also, it's hilarious that marvel shelled out 8 episodes worth of budget for maybe 5 minutes of MCU.

>>152294397
kek, ironic.

>>152293667
I hate James Gunn with every fiber of my being...

We should've gotten Iron Man vs the real Mandarin because the implication that only Asians can fight Asians is really racist

>>152290753
I remember how assblasted I was after the "real" Mandarin showed up. Fast and Furious pulled that shit way better.

you'll probably have better luck discussing TV shows on /tv/, you know

>>152289244
>Somehow, the fake Mandarin from Iron Man 3 has become one of the best characters in the MCU
It's almost like Ben Kingsley is the bets actor in all of Marvel

>>152293945
>They turned Wiccan into a pathetic screaming ugly fag
So the only thing they changed from the comics was to make him ugly?

Is Vision really in this?

So is the main plot really just commentary on blackwashing characters?

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>>152292652
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>>152292165
>Show takes an underrated character from the comics with a tragic backstory only to completely change it into being a woe is me black immigrant who struggles to play a white character expecting anyone to care
>/co/ loves it because instead of being about a guy punching the bad guy to save the day the show spends the entire time justifying itself into why they casted a black guy as Wonder Man instead of a white guy as he's actually depicted.
This is why /co/ might as well be considered a Reddit containment board. There's no discussion for the actual quality of the show but blind praise, which makes sense considering no one on this board interacts with any other art outside of this tired slop. Sorry, but a show where the whole premise is justifying dumb race swaps because a character is white and presenting the take that the original character's race matters as racist or unfair while also expecting "whitewashing" to be taken seriously is just textbook hypocrisy. You are all the same people who have consistently supported MCU slop no matter what and will continue doing so no matter what.

>>152297455
No, it's commentary on why blackwashing characters should not only be allowed, but encouraged.

>>152289244
I straight up enjoyed it. Delves into the world of acting & how actors really struggle with Hollywood, & shows what really matter. The craft or greed. Because that is Hollywood in the end

>>152297525
>You're not allowed to criticize blackwashing in Hollywood chud because black actors are the only demographic that struggles as actors.
That was the message of the show. What you're saying sounds interesting in concept, but that's not what we got.

>>152292364
The Leader too, anon.

>>152292353
Neat

>>152296046
I made Killian a jobber

>>152297483
>There's no discussion for the actual quality of the show but blind praise
The vast majority of /co/ "discussion" is blind hate.

>>152292353
huh??

>>152297483
Exactly. It's the /co/umblr stereotype ringing true again.

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I'm mostly bored so far, but Doorman was pretty cool. Sorry Olaf.

>Kevin is making the Great Lakes Avengers apparently

Honestly this show so far feels like a Hollywood inside joke and we're not in on it.

>>152295008
Garbage-ass taste lmao

>>152299932
Doorman episode is definitely my favourite so far

Golly gee guys
If only Marvel had a series about alternate scenarios like WHAT IF Iron Man actually fought Wenwu...if only

>>152297525
Same - I'm a sucker for the intersection of real life and superheroics. The Doorman episode was a standout because of how they realistically showed how a D-Grade metahuman could go from a big deal to a dead meme.

I'm a bit torn because on one hand standalone MCU stuff that doesn't feel like an advertisement for what comes next or a "clap when recognizable character appears on screen" test feels like the ideal. Little pockets that expand the world but doesn't try and link it all together. Even with the Stones saga each infinity stone had its own contained importance, with rare mention of their broader significance. On the other hand though this late into the game after a few avengers and a couple of infinity wars anything new sorta begs the question What's The Point? Like there's a myriad of neat supers and I'm sure it'd be cool to explore the stories of many, but if it ultimately amounts to "so yeah that guy's running around too" like say, Moon Knight, then what's it ultimately serve? You have to run through a bit of an origin story, justify their being a hero, and have a sorta "here's why they'll such around continuing to be a hero" finale in one season with no true ending but no planned follow up. That's just kinda sad to me.

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>Doorman straight up made Josh Gad disappear into the Darkforce
Holy shit, that's legitimately hilarious

>>152297780
you didn't watch it

Episode 2 with Joey Pants was hilarious. Going to take my time with the show because I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

>>152300303
It's surprisingly good. Too good for the MCU at this stage in its lifespan

>>152292510
>It's been SEVEN YEARS since Endgame and not a dang thing, let alone an Ave gets movie has come out.
Their scheme to switch to all female leads flopped before it could start and they've been floundering ever since.

>>152300155
I was wondering why Doorman was in black and white then it hit me it was essentially a Twilight Zone episode, a cautionary tale of a supe finding success by making their powers their entire brand but it goes wrong because no one bothered asking or testing how his abilities actually worked

>>152300303
The payoff for his cameo in the finale was actually pretty funny.

>>152297483
>Show takes an underrated character from the comics with a tragic backstory only to completely change it into being a woe is me black immigrant who struggles to play a white character expecting anyone to care
The race isn't factored into the plot, it's just a straightforward "dude struggles to be an actor because he's really autistic about his roles, and an old mentor dude comes to help weed him out of that mindset for the big role he genuinely wants" story.

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>>152293550
If it never gets any kind of continuation, then the ending is depressing. Trevor will never be able to act or even have a normal life, and Simon is definitely wanted now because the first thing they'd do is find out how he got in and figure out which security guard did it and see he got a huge payoff.
I suppose it slightly mimics Midnight Cowboy except Trevor didn't die during the prison escape.

>>152300231
I want them to do one of these big slop fest movies and have a scene where the heroes get sucked into Cloak's cloak or whatever and Josh Gad has become some kind of Robinson Crusoe

>>152300258
Fuck off

>>152297483
Truth

>>152300706
It won't matter either way because the universe will get blown up in Doomsday

>>152289244
>Marvel releases something that's actually good
>No one watches it because all the people who want good things tuned out ages ago and the only people watching now only watch to understand that reference and see stingers that tease the next thing that's going to happen
It's Thunderbolts all over again

>>152300854
No, faggot, you didn't actually watch the show. All your complaints literally have nothing to do with anything that happens or is said in the show. At least put in the bare minimum effort to verify that your criticism holds water before bitching and whining

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>>152301360
>the only people watching now only watch to understand that reference and see stingers that tease the next thing that's going to happen
Josh Gad... will return... in... Avengers Doomsday

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Obsessive Mesoamerican history nerd here, I heard Aztec stuff gets mentioned at some point, what's the context? Anybody have a clip?

>>152301395
In the first episode Simon acts like an absolute autist and gets kicked off set because he's overthinking the backstory of his character and giving too many notes. The character is a professor of anthropology and he suggests that he be holding a certain book on Aztec culture in the scene and then starts rambling off Aztec lore when he gets challenged on it.

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>>152301373
>Josh Gad is canonically lost in the Darkforce in the MCU

>>152301417
It's more comforting to think he's actually dead

>>152301414
he sounds based

>>152301414
I was wondering if this was meant to be a diss at Edward Norton, who is infamous for trying to hijack film productions to be about himself, even if he only has a minor role.

>>152300231
Habitable universe

This was a stealth mutant TV show right? Simon was just inexplicably born with powers, supes are being barred from working in certain industries, and there's a government organization actively hunting stray metahumans in the name of peace and security.

>>152290753
I don't give a shit about Mandarin twist that much, but I hated how Iron Man 3 makes the suit looks so fucking weak. Yes, muh prototype, which is stupid in itself. He used a prototype for his main suit, and it's not even a super prototype that's prevalent in mecha genre! A shame because Mark 42 is genuinely beautiful, and the last practical full suit for the franchise.

Simon sure was lucky to find the one prison warden in America who wasn't a right-wing racist with power fantasies

>>152301647
Faggot lmao

>>152301629
Tbf the point of the movie was pushing Tony out of the suit and forcing him "back to basics" with him building his own weapons from stuff he bought from a hardware store.

>>152291139
The problem wasn't with the twist itself, the problem was that after revealing the twist, they replaced the fake Mandarin with a really lame main villain. Even from the start, people really liked the fake Mandarin, the movie falls apart after the twist because Killian is such a lame villain and can't carry the rest movie which a main villain needs to do.

It's weird that even though the marketing focused heavily on superhero fatigue, the show barely mentions that at all. Hell, it may not have even referenced it once. Not that I'm complaining, it was suprisingly good as a character study and a show of how Hollywood works in a superhero setting. I guess they tacked the superhero fatigue on as an afterthought.

>>152301601
Doorman is a mutant in the comics so he and Simon almost sort of switched places origin wise

>>152301700
Even in this show fake Mandarin is way cooler than whatever they went with in Shang Chi.

>>152297525
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>>152301414
Everything I’ve seen from this and everything I hear about it makes it seem like less of a comic book superhero show and more of Hollywood fellating itself. Hard pass. And I think most people will pass on this, too. There’s a fucking reason Marvel put that Daredevil trailer out the day this premiered.

>>152302339
>tfw that 2 minute video Trev through together was a more compelling Mandarin that 2 and a half hours of shang-chi's kung-fu panda shit

>>152302763
It's not really like The Studio where it makes fun of the state of Hollywood and the industry as a whole, it's really moreso about acting itself and it works because its not really trying to be a commentary about anything but instead about the relationship of the two main leads.

>>152301674
Yeah I get that, it's just I abhor the "The man is more than the costume" or whatever the trope is. Call me shallow, but when I watch Batman, I watch the batsuit kicking ass. When I watch Iron Man, I want to see the suit. It's just baffling that the two Avengers movies had Tony showcasing his suit better.

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>"We've been talking behind your baaaaack."

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>>152302952
Simon says: You first

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>>152302985
I need a .webm of that moment.

>>152300435
Bullshit. The fact it's an in universe WHITE character with a black real in universe guy wanting to play in a movie adaptation shows it's completely about pushing a meta race bending casting narrative.

alright, watchin rn

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>>152301395
I hate you and I hope you die a violent death.

>>152303900
Why?

>>152302991
But it's not like Sam Wilson where the fact that he's a black dude taking on the mantle of a superhero title that was previously occupied by a white guy is part of the story and his arc.
The conflict in Wonder-Man is completely about Simon's autism and the fact that he's secretly a super. No one in-universe brings up that he's a black guy taking on a white superhero movie role, the show doesn't even make a joke about it.

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>>152303996
You were one of the biggest supporters of the stupid MCU Wetback Nino Sinamor. I hate you and all your ilk. I hope you all burn.

>>152293017
The way you described it somehow sounds even worse. They get blackmailed into threatening someone? By who? Does this candy maker have a blood rival Is Hershey's scared he's going to tank their sales? And then he has gangbanger body guards because, what? Because he's mexican so of course he would? Then they bail because it might mess up their audition? If they could do that why even do it in the first place? This is a mess.

>>152293325
Don't worry, they might release 8 more episodes seven years from now.

>>152297508
I feel like they thought Brave New World was going to be a lot more well recieved and then this was going to come in on its coattails and really drive the message home, setting the stage for even more characters to be raceswapped (I wouldn't put it past them to do Wolverine.)

But like with everything they've tried since they decided the did a good enough job to reel us in and no we have to commit to a lifetime of social conditioning programming, nobody liked that or watched it.

>>152297525
>>152300435
>>152302839
I can not describe to you about how no one, no let me repeat that, no one cares about or wants to see a story about a bunch of Hollywood jerks telling a story about their lives. Yes, you were born in L.A. got a job in the entertainment industry because that's what your Dad did. Ooooooh. Aaaaaaah.

You know what I want to see? Someone who lives in a town like I live in and knows people like I know and does cool stuff and goes on adventures, but they can't do that because they have no idea what real people are like and they also think they're just the coolest customers they've ever been.
>>152301674
That's what the plot of Iron Man 1 was.

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>>152304090
I think you're getting me mixed up with somebody else, or are misremembering my opinions

I thought the Mesoamerican elements in BP2 were mixed, for every positive thing I could say there was a negative one, or frankly multiple negative things. The only things I and my friends really thought were outright really well done (and hell some of them don't even particularly love this part) were the outfits and set design in the painted hut within the cenote, which is a single scene

The /co/ things I'm an actual big supporter of would be Zotz, Bigredhair's Aztec Empire, Onyx Equinox and Codex Black.

See pic, which me and a friend put together. Black Panther 2 is in somewhat low on the Y axis and middling on the X axis.

>>152292447
"Iron Man 2 is one of the best movies in the franchise."
An opinion so bad that I audibly retched.

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>>152304161
Nigger, I don't give two shits. Just changing Namor from Atlantean to a Wetback Aztec is insult enough, I don't care how faithful it is to the actual culture.
>here's your beautiful king of the seas, bro!

>>152304240
You don't need to give a shit, but you're accusing me of being a fan of it when my feelings on it are mixed.

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>>152304252
>he still doesn't get it
Your dislike stems from the subpar execution. Mine stems from the very swap itself. Even supporting the idea, makes me hate you.
>this is what passes for "hot" these days

>>152304142
>Someone who lives in a town like I live in and knows people like I know and does cool stuff and goes on adventures
That vision loves in conflict. There's a reason Batman and Spider-Man protect big ass cities. Nothing fun goes on in your backwater bumfuck. Go watch Letterkenny or something.

>>152304161
Wow you really ARE autistic about this stuff huh. That's pretty based.
>>152304240
>>152304270
>Doesn't think Namor was hot
What're you gay? I would've sucked the saltwater out of him.

>>152304106
Blackmailed by a random kid who recorded a gopro video of Simon using his powers against drug dealers who were trying to get revenge on Trevor, releasing it publicly would get him banned from the film industry.

The kid misdirects Simon and Trevor to believe they're going to be dealing with a drug dealer who stole the kid's motorcycle. Then it turns out he's some dude whose just running a legit candy business, and the blackmail kid was a rival to the dealer for making candy.

Then the actual drug dealers who Simon beat up return and hold the blackmailer hostage at gunpoint. Simon refuses to do anything until the kid passes him the gopro, the commotion causes the neighbors to call the cops. A shootout occurs between the police and the drug dealers, and everyone runs away, including Simon and Trevor as they just found out the auditions had been moved up to the same day this is all happening so they rush to go there.

>>152304165
Do you need a napkin?

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The first half is bad but the second is pretty good. At times even kino. I wish she was my gf

Why the hell would anyone care if he has powers or not. The MCU doesn't have the decades plus of civvies irrationally hating supers (with or without the mutie debuff)

>>152297508
>And That's A Good Thing: the series
Lmao the absolute state

>>152305113
The show dedicates an entire episode to explaining why that's the case. Basically a random dude got superpowers and ended up becoming a celebrity after getting national attention for saving a group of people. But the stress and pressure of attempting to maintain his popularity ended up fucking with his powers and got another celebrity killed while they were filming a movie. This resulted in supers getting banned from working in Hollywood to prevent another accident from happening ever again.

It's definitely laying the seeds for mutant oppression down the line. The guy who created the series is also directing Brand New Day, the plot of which also involves Damage Control hunting supers.

>>152305530
oh fuck me are they going to have Nuke blow up school buses while making an amateur film and start the SHRA
I hope the MCU dies before then

>>152305553
Sokovia Accords and Civil War already happened, they're going to move on from simply trying to moderate supes to outright just imprisoning them.

>>152305113
>>152305530
I mean the world and its supers are just getting bigger, and not everyone is going to have the calling or potential to be an Avenger. With aliens out of the way, they're gonna look for something new and scary to hate.

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>Named Mandarin
>Isn't orange
>Is green in the cartoon
that's fucked

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>main characters have great chemistry
>fun natural interactions, not quippy like typical mcu
>whole episode about fucking doorman
This is a good show

>>152304142
>Someone who lives in a town like I live in and knows people like I know
Just go out into your town then, I wouldn't want to watch some show about some hick rednecks

>>152308962
Enjoy getting raped by browns I guess lmao

>>152304295
>he enjoys living in a hive
Faggot

I can always count on /co/ to eat up any garbage the industry puts out

>>152309010
>the unapologetic racist wants a show about a homogenous small town where nothing happens
Color me shocked

>>152304161
>apocalypto is rated as inauthentic and bad because it makes the savages who perform human sacrifices look bad
>everything else that's safe, bubblegum family fun, white-washed folklore bullshit is rated as visually authentic and well-executed
lmao bro

>>152309041
explains why they don't care about a good show like Wonder Man, but will glaze black pantha 2

Just got to the 3rd episode. Does his brother turn out to be a racist asshole like half the people in this thread?

It has 2 mins of powers over 8 episodes

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>>152310362
Technically he should be

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>>152309074
Apocalypto's issue isn't (just) that it "makes the Maya look bad", it also whitewashes and sanitizes them, paradoxically: The Maya in the small village are treated as dindu nuffin peaceful noble savages who have never even invented farming and live in a anarcho-primitivist eden, while the Maya in the big city are bloodthristy hedonists living in a dystopia. Neither depict anything close to actual functional societies and are just opposite extreme ends the same hamfisted unsubtle parallel. See >>>/lit/25041194

Sacrifices, war, classism, and such are very real parts of Mesoamerican civilizatiion, there's nothing wrong with showing that (In fact, my biggest criticism of El Dorado is that sacrifice is something Tzekel Kan does nobody else likes, it should be a systemic thing everybody is complicit in), Apocalypto's city scenes just play it up to a degree that would be comical if not for people like you thinking it reflects reality

Conversely, plenty of the stuff in the top right of the graph DOES depict negative things: Zotz heavily features political conflict and warfare, Aztec Empire follows the real events of the fall of the Aztec and mentions things like Children being sacrificed, Onyx Equinox has the main character's sister be sacrificed by her throat being slit on screen, etc. If you actually watched/read them instead of making assumptions based on them looking colorful you'd know that.

Those look colorful and idealistic because that's how Mesoamerican aesthetics actually were (and Apocalypto mangling that is it's other big sin): Read any Spanish account, look at surviving murals and manuscripts, and you'll see their cities and clothing were opulently garish with how colorful and fancy everything was. As seen in pic related, literal Conquistadors and Catholic friars simultaneously acknowledged their cities art etc was sophisticated and beautiful despite their abhorrent religious practices, so I'm not sure why it's so hard for you to do the same.

>>152310774
>>152309074
I'll also add that re: Aesthetical accuracy, the image I posted in the /lit/ thread and in the post I did after within that thread (>>>/lit/25042530) go into more detail demonstrating what actual Mesoamerican aeshetics were like, in contrast to the pic I posted here >>152310774 which is mainly focused on the quotes and doesn't provide sourcing for the accuracy of the images like the /lit/ images do.

>>152310575
That sounds fuckawful

>>152311399
Maybe The Boys is more your speed

>>152309061
>Bitching about racism
Pussy lmao

Holy shit this board sucks god-damn

>>152312173
Nobodies watching your garbage buddy lol

>>152312321
Still better than most boards

>>152312173
I watched a season or two when they played it on tv, already knowing it was gonna suck

>>152289244
>>152295008
>>152297525
>>152301360
Does it explain how this fucker didn't get sent straight back to jail?

>>152313221
He is arrested but makes a deal with Damage control to spy on Simon Williams. Why is the company obsessed with him? I don't know, I didint pay much attention to that part. But Simon is cool and Ben Kingsley is great in every scene

Why did we get a Doorman episode though? Not that it wasn't fun, I just didn't understand what was the purpose

>>152313171
no it fucking isn't

>>152313274
Name one better

>>152310774
>>152311139
imagine writing all this repetitive purple prose shit that nobody will read because you want to glaze over the perceived history of your people lmao

>>152313321
I read it
I have no interest in ancient Mexican culture but this anon autism is so functional and well elaborated that every time I see him in a thread I always smile and end up reading all his posts.

>>152313257
To explain why superheroes aren't allowed to work in hollywood

>>152313250
alright
I'll give it a shot.
I honestly don't light the Trevor Slattery character in anything. But I do like Ben Kingsley in general. I'm going to hope he's written better here than he's ever been.

>>152313369
>nta but actually erm he's valid!
lmao dude. the picture you're painting is depressing

>>152313626
not that depressing actually

>>152289244
Fuck off shill

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>>152313321
I'm not Hispanic or indigenous, I just think Mesoamerican stuff is cool and want other people to learn about it and to also hopefully find it interesting.

>percieved

Name a specific thing I said you think is incorrect and I'll post evidence and clarification for the claim. Keep in mind the collages I already posted with quotes from Conquistadors, Friars, as well as the images depicting specific ruins and manuscripts the artistic reconstructions I posted pulled from, which should already cover my claims that the Spanish respected the Mesoamericans and the accuracy of the reconstructions.

>>152313171
Holy delusion lmao