>"I have noticed that people have begun referring to Christopher Reeve as a hero since his death. There was nothing heroic about Christopher Reeve. He's in Hell."-John ByrneNovember 18, 2004
>>152311608He's Proto-Bendis. So cringe.
>>152311608I am pretty sure that he is autistic
>>152311668So based then?
He's just autistically blunt about stuff. His point was that Reeve is not a hero because he suffered a tragedy, he was simply a man trying to live his life in spite of his injuries and there's nothing inherently heroic about that. It's a tragedy.
>>152311777So then why did he say he's in Hell after he died?
>>152311608Only more influential creator was Kirby. Only more productive artist was Kirby. And he’s a far better writer than the king ever was. Genuinely not worth listening to someone’s opinions if he isn’t at the least in their top 5 all time. >>152311631Most retarded comparison Ive ever heard.
>>152311790Well that's simple, you edited the quote >I have noticed that people have begun referring to Christopher Reeve as a hero. I do not wish to take away one iota of the courage he must have needed not to wake up screaming every single day, but the hard truth is there was nothing heroic in what happened to him or how he dealt with it...In fact, as far as how he dealt with it he didn’t even have a choice. We could imagine he spent every hour of every day when not in front of the cameras begging family members to simply kill him and get it over with—but none of them did so he had no choice but to deal with each day as it came. Heroism I believe involves choice.The problem is Byrne is still wrong, because Reeve became one of the most vocal activists for the disabled from then onIf heroism involves choice then Reeve by Byrne's own definition was a hero
>>152311928I am not OP but it looks like you editted the quote, pal.
>>152311608He is similarChris Claremont. He’s written some groundbreaking stuff but also a lot of shit and has weird sexual stuff.
>>152311790Probably for kissing Michael Caineas a gay writer in Deathtrap.
>>152311608>blunt asshole>unusually creative>possibly autistic>huge pervert with multiple fetishesIf Byrne had been born a few decades later he'd be a /co/mrade for sure. In fact, I'd be surprised if he's never come here.
>>152312254He literally created a better /co/ before /co/ existed. He also literally shit on Brian Michael bendis in a letter column for next men after bendis asked so,emretarded question about an indestructible character’s hair.
>>152311777>there's nothing inherently heroic about that. It's a tragedy.There is something brave about not giving up in the fsce of hardship. The idea that to be a hero you must provide a service to others, like saving them, is just bullahit perpetuated by people that would use others
>>152312499Asked retarded question*
>>152311608monster of a comic creator
>>152311608Routinely had four books on the stands in a given month, pretty sure he even had 5 a few times in his career. As in multiple ones he drew and/or wrote. He was drawing next men, she-hulk and Namor whole writing iron man irrc. Thats based.
He said some shit about trans people being pedos too.Which is pretty funny considering one of the first sensational she hulks is about a man trying to become she hulk
>>152312666He dislikes Trump for trying to erase trans people.
>>152311608I don't like his time on X-Men or Hellboy. Haven't read anything else he's worked on.
>>152311608Liked his Fantastic Four and his X-Men. His Spider-Man was beyond dogshit
His take on Superman is incredibly awesome and The Man of Steel is as great of a new origin story for Superman as Year One is for Batman.
>>152313527No, it isn't.
>>152311928>>152312506That's dignity, not heroism, and that's perfectly fine. Reeve did not sacrifice anything but his own time, and it was largely for his own gain, which is fine. The fact that he was working to help others is respectable but ultimately he was simply trying to regain anything close to the normalcy he lost. The terms hero, heroic, heroism become cheapened when applied to people just trying to live life or do a social duty. I get it comes off as pedantic, and in casual conversation? Sure I'd call Christopher Reeve a real Superman for how he lived the last years of his life.But from the perspective of a storyteller I get where he's coming from.
>>152311608Hasn't made anything worth paying attention to since the '90s Namor series.
>>152313801John Byrne's a fucking pedo and if there was any justice he would've been the cripple instead of Reeves.
>>152311608No one ever uses a modern photo of Byrne.
>>152311864You're a silly fat piece of shit, John. Your influence is negligible, and you always rode the coattails of your betters like the safest of faggots.
>>152314436That's just Nick Bate.
>>152314436Jesus, didn't he take care of his teeth???
>>152314436hes looking better then reeves imo
He's a pedophile so /co/ loves him
>>152311608>JOHN BRYNE: BASED OR CRINGE?As an artist he was one of the greats, at his peak he could draw 2 or more books per month while maintaining the quality.As a writer, he had fixed and possibly autistic ideas about characters. The less he had strong feelings about what a particular character "should" be like, the better the book would read, as he'd just be telling the new adventures of that character instead of trying to force them to conform to his headcanon and continuity 'fixes'.As a person, he's either a dick or just saying dickish things for attention. Or just operates on a mindset of the internet isn't real life, you can say whatever you like there and nobody will know or care.
>>152314436And even that one is apparently a decade or two old.
>>152311608Little from column A, and a little from column B. I am looking forward to his X-Men Elsewhen getting officially published this year.
Did anybody besides me read Trio from 2009-2012?
>>152316614I started it but every good comic reader app died
>>152311681The opposite I'm afraid.
>>152311608Cringe, and that's not taking into account his personality or appearance.
>>152313801There's a factor we have to consider which is that Reeve was disabled and ask any disabled person, the worst part is the endless patronization. There are disabled people who have successfully sued their workplaces for too many patronizing compliments. (Particularly when the job is unrelated to the disability like a wheelchair-bound in an office desk job but they're still patronized about "not letting it stop them")Reeve was a guy who did a thing that would be genuinely hard to maintain for an able-minded able-bodied person with the tight schedule and constant traveling, so it could push "extremely admirable" to "hero" based on that existing patronism.Not saying Byrne is right, but saying its an important factor to consider
>>152311608Brynge
>>152311864>Genuinely not worth listening to someone’s opinions if he isn’t at the least in their top 5 all time.This
>>152311864>Only more influential creator was KirbyAnd Ditko.
>>152311608Is this the guy that brought aunt may back from the dead?
>>152311608He was insanely talented as a writer and artist both, which takes an extremely rare kind of person to be able to do both so well. He had a very high output volume. Anyone like that is going to have a crazy personality and its actually earned which is why his haters are so vitriolic because they have to deny his uniqueness and double down on his personality being so bad that it outweighs his talent. Which is not true. And they know it. So he has to be worse than hitler to them.
>>152311864>Only more productive artist was Kirby.>onlylol>>152319627See?
>>152319669Byrne's original pitch for the Spider-Man relaunch would have had Peter moping about how life used to be much simpler when he was in high school, and then some mysterious being would grant his wish and reset him and everyone in the book back to the high school years.
>>152315148He's a bong.
>>152320104
>spent 99 percent of his career drawing capeshit and sucking corporate cockFuck this fat faggot
>>152311864Being productive at pumping out slop isn't something to be applauded for
>>152320496>literally named Jon-ElBros…
>>152320578he did quite a bit of sci-fi comics too.
>>152320578That's what he was passionate about. Do you think you know what he should have spent his career creating better than he does, faggot? Where are your comics?
>>152315219>>152315235Tards
>>152320254sick I wish that worked
>>152321090It's not his only passion, he loves the fuck out of Star Trek too. His photo comics were literally just a side hobby he was doing that IDW publishedThey look terrible but it's a respectable effort
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>>152311608I don't feel like reading his comics after this.
I think a lot about the story where Marv Wolfman was suing Marvel and John Byrne showed up to make funny faces at Wolfman while he testified.
He's a Canadian cuck.
>>152320104>ignores all the stories he wrote to focus on penciling despite the fact that anon said creator n rather than artist
>>152320623So why do people applaud Kirby, Buscema and Ditko then?
>>152322060Comic hipsters will do as comic hipsters do.
>>152321090Calm down, John. I know you have some middle schoolers to lust over>>152322060He wasn't a corporate cocksucking faggot/pedophile
>>152313527Shit sucks like everything this retarded ass nigga ever did. It's gonna be funny as fuck when he dies.
>>152313801I think we need to start with defining what we all mean by heroism when if we can't agree upon a single definition. Just a cursory glance at the dictionary says heroism is: "great bravery", bravery is "being courageous", and courage is "doing something that frightens you." We tend to think of heroism or heroes as someone who saves the day or helps tondeliver others out of calamity or hardship, and that's not a bad definition and I can see how one would say just being disabled doesn't exactly deliver others out of calamity and/or hardship, and there's an argument to be made for him being somewhat wealthy and having a status of a celebrity to help him. I would say being willing to push yourself beyond the typical limits and trying to do things like continuing to direct movies or act in tv shows is a bit inspiring even if it's not facing life and death circumstances. I know some people that are physically disabled due to injuries sustained later in life and a lot of them don't like leaving the house next they're ashamed to have people see them in that state so being a guy who's willing to own it and put himself in a situation where it might cause him to fail and really embarrass him does the a bit of courage, especially if it can inspire others to strive for higher aspects in their own lives despite their handicaps.
>>152322393Last one alive is the most based, oh wait.
>>152322135Faggot
>>152322638Nobody in the real world world actually cares about this faggotry
>>1523226384chan is the wrong place to discuss the meaning of heroism, anon…
