>>152314799
X-Men fans but specifically they've not read any other Marvel comic so they act like what else goes on in the rest of the setting doesn't matter at all and actively downplay any value/popularity regarding the rest of Marvel and it's heroes, villains, teams and so on.

Punisher

>>152314805
I’m a rare breed who enjoys the Fox X-Men movies and I hate the X-Men comics and cartoons. I am what’s known as a chad.

>>152314805
X-fans are hilariously ignorant of the rest of the marvel universe.
>Why didn't the Avengers save Genosha
Because Kang blew up Washington. Krakoa era fans are especially bad and most certainly just buy trades and omnis to post shelfies.

>>152314818
What specific fox films you like? I've not seen most of them in ages or really any X stuff but used to watch Wolverine and the X-Men on telly now and then between EMH/Super Hero Squad.

Getting outside marvel Teen Titans cartoon fags are the worst kind of cartoon onlies

>>152314824
X1, X2, First Class, The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Logan, Deadpool 2

>>152314818
You are a huge faggot

>>152314834
You lost

>>152314820
It's so funny how Genosha is mentioned so much when at the same time as you mentioned Kang was ruling the entire earth, had Damocles base orbiting the earth and I wish more stories would at least bring up Washington or Kang's reign. Hell Ultron killed the entirety of Slorenia in 3 hours and that is another major thing that feels like should be brought up more. Hell people don't even bring up often that Cassandra Nova a mutant was what caused the massacre of Genosha. God I can't even say how much I hate the moral fallacy bullshit X-Men books try to pull against the Avengers or Captain America so often and it's a major reason that I've really gone of that entire corner of Marvel so much compared to how fond I am of the rest of the setting and cast. Though I've also always just found X-Men and it's cast just not as visually or narratively interesting in comparison.

>>152314834
Not watched any of those in yonks so can't judge really.

>>152314854
The best part is that any time an Avenger or non mutant hero DOES try to help them out they get told to fuck off because Mutants handle mutants.

>>152314837
>>152314840
Angry samefag. Literally nothing wrong with any of those movies. I even excluded Last Stand to appease you even though I think that movie is way overhated and better than half of the MCU garbage.

>>152314864
Hell even being a mutant doesn't help since they are giant assholes to Firestar since she would rather be on the Avengers or New Warriors. It's frustrating cause I get why X-Men is popular and I do like a few of the characters but as a whole I just can't stand it or the effect it has had with other Marvel characters and especially the obnoxious audience it's mustered that somehow have to much ego and to much of an inferiority complex like they were every brain cell in Electro's head. I am at least happy that recent comics despite still having some of that shit is having the Avengers and X-Men on good terms at the very least...though I doubt what few Inhumans fans will recover from just how much vitriol they got cause of the push that pretty much changed everything that actually was appealing about the Inhumans alongside putting them against an infamously rabid fanbase.

>>152314876
Your faggotry is the problem
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>>152314799
Batfamilyfags are the only fanbase I've seen where a large percentage of them outright get mad when you suggest they consume any form of Batman media that isn't Wayne Family Adventures and their primary "source" is just fanfiction written by each other, leading to increasingly OOC characters within their fanfics.

>>152314799
I was a Beta Ray Bill "fan" for years and I never actually read one of his comics. I liked him entirely off of appearances in cartoons.

>>152314854
>It's so funny how Genosha is mentioned so much
>because it happened to mutants
That's literally all it is. Moments that IRL would be hugely important where thousands or millions of people died tend to just eventually fade into irrelevance in cape comics the further into the past the story is, except in the X-books, where every bad thing that happens to mutants is remembered forever and constantly brought up as an eternal grievance the X-Men carry around and use to either shame other heroes for "not being there" or for trying to stop this week's mutant chimpout.

>>152314884
I understand why X-Men WAS popular in the 80s and 90s. I genuinely can't understand why anyone who isn't gay is still reading those books or still that invested in those characters.

>>152314924
many such cases

Jason Todd fans created a version of him that never existed

>>152314799
Spider-man has both autistic fans that will buy any comic with him in it and also weird fans that just don't read comics but are fans of the abomination MCU version.

>>152314799
That's the majority of MCU fans.
To be fair to both Harley Quinn and Laura Kinnley, they both debuted in cartoons. Comics are not their origin.

>>152314917
>Wayne Family Adventures
I never heard of this, is it bad that it being Bat Family makes me curious? Is it good?
I swear I'm different, I'm reading George Perez Wonder Woman and am almost done reading The Champions, I just really like Steph

>>152316085
He should habe died at the end of Under the red hood.

>>152316193
Preach.

>>152316193
yes.
funnily enough, it's a good thing his book got cancelled, but it was cancelled for the wrong reason.

>>152316409
*newest book

>>152314820
Krakoa itself mostly just existed to appeal to the people that don’t actually read X-Men comics and just prefer their headcanons. I think the most obvious example of this is the Hellfire Gala shit.

>>152316158
You won’t get too much of a good response about it here because it’s the sort of cutest stuff comic fans here despise on principle, but it’s an entertaining, short read and Steph has a good sense presence in it.

Hood nigga Miles stans

>>152316554
I don't know if you can assume that since most of current /co/ isn't honest to begin with. A large amount of posts are schizos or very bad bait (whether positive or negative) to keep a thread alive.
Old /co/ could be sentimental because a lot of posters were born in the 80s and didn't mind some mild cute bits for levity

>>152316546
feels like Rivals has only solidified that

>>152314854
Slorenia was "muh both sides" in a story about genocide. It deserved to be memory-holed as a nation.

>>152317104
I don't know, Rivals fans actually buy the comics. It's been insane but over the years, I've seen more Rivals fans than MCU fans in an LCS.

>>152317284
I’m not American so comic stores are nowhere near as common here(the UK typically just gets TPBs, no single issues) but I have seen a noticeable uptick in the store I usually buy comics from. Marvel’s started doing Rivals synergy too like with Malice returning in F4, there’s also a decent amount of specifically rivals-themed comics/merch now.

>>152317362
Don't you have Forbidden Planet? I'm glad you still buy comics though, anon.

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>>152316158
If you ever read an SoL ao3 fanfic, it's basically that.
I find it inoffensive to not be an issue, kinda like that new Batfam cartoon or the Lego Batman Movie.

>>152314924
You were accidentally right as hell, Beta Ray Bill rules, despite two generations of limp-dicked Thor writers trying to tear him down to make Thor look better

>>152314805
>Marvel is just Spider-Man, X-Men, Wolverine, Deadpool, Cable, Gambit, New Mutants, X-Factor, Alpha Flight, Excalibur, X-Force, Generation X, Exiles and nothing else matters
Hot damn, X-Bros really did eat good!

>>152317401
That’s the store I typically use. They don’t always have new single issues(I’ve been buying Infernal Hulk, it’s a 50/50 if they have it) but they have a decent range and most of the big releases.

>>152317480
That makes me feel a lot better about my commute. I have to drive up from New Jersey to go to a Midtown Comics, but they always have issues ready. Only things people buy out before I get there are some variant covers.
Sorry to hear

>>152317512
To be fair it doesn’t bother me too much as if I ask the cashier they’ll usually try and get that issue stocked within the week.

>>152316096
>Spider-man has both autistic fans that will buy any comic with him in it
And then complain about how it's all awful and not worth buying
>and also weird fans that just don't read comics but are fans of the abomination MCU version.
The absolute worst. I fucking hate Iron Baby with a passion.

>>152317284
I don’t mean that Rivals fans aren’t buying comics, I mean that Rivals was made to appeal to non-comic fans (and using Krakoa so extensively for the X-Men’s theming is confirming as much). It takes more from the MCU and Marvel’s last 10 years than any of the actually good shit from before, and now that it’s the main source of new comic fans it’s kind of just encouraging the comics to keep trying to appeal to secondaries. I know MCU synergy was already doing that, but now that we’re getting both MCU synergy on top of Rivals synergy and fucking baby show synergy it seems the comics are just getting increasingly suffocated under an unstable miasma of spin-off stuff.

>>152317284
Key words being in an LCS. Looking for newer comics that are still on the shelves. Call me butthurt, but I’d much prefer a world where people getting into comics aren’t the type to actually like what Marvel is currently putting out. It’s almost entirely unmitigated trash meant to generate rage bait and promote crappy multimedia. If they actually garner an audience off of that, the whole brand is just going to become a multilayered ouroboros of shit that retells the same story in different mediums via broken telephone solely to push the next product.

I suppose it’s already been doing that for a while, but I’ll never stop hoping the snake gets its tail out of its mouth and tries to be somewhat original again so I’m posting this anyways.

>>152318379
Cross-media promotion was shown to work for various series for decades (Star Wars being a famous example), so that approach itself isn't terrible. The big issue is current comics being bad which is on the production side as even ones that aren't synergy-based still have the same problems.

>>152317817
X-fans did that for about 15 years and still have the gall to say that it was also good era for X-Men.

>>152318531
>Cross-media promotion was shown to work for various series for decades
Ironic that you’re saying this when this very thread covers how MCU fans barely ever crossed over to the comics…

>The big issue is current comics being bad which is on the production side as even ones that aren't synergy-based still have the same problems.
Yes, that’s another part of it. But now these bad writers are being rewarded with genuine fans of their work, and so have less incentive to stop being so bad. Granted, the chances of that happening were slim-to-none anyways, but I lament even the loss of the 0.1%.

>>152318563
Is there a reason for them to? If they liked the movies, the output at the time was going to turn them off.

>>152318379
>secondaries
Anon, many people here started off being fans of some form of Animated Series or live action film. Your issue is being tied down to Marvel and not moving around when things don't appeal to you. I had a lot of fun with some of the Ultimate Universe stuff and as soon as that ends, I'm back to my usual DC and Image only pull list.
Besides, you're assuming these new fans aren't into the history at all. You didn't hear this from me, but the want for Claremont X-Men reprints has been rising to the point where you might see Second Genesis be really high on the reprint poll. I don't disagree that Marvel has fumbled a lot, but if a new fan asks me for Venomverse comics etc, I'm gonna show them the collected editions and recommend other stuff when I can.
>>152318563
You won't get what you want with that thinking. Opinions will always differ and you can't just oust every writer you dislike. "Primary" Marvel fans speak out often, see Brevoort coming out to complain about how loud the anti-event message is. Don't think of comics as some kind of crusade, just buy the shit you do like and ignore the shit you don't like.

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>>152314799
Recommend me some lokipilled comics

>>152318853
Young Avengers Volume 2

>>152318689
anon there hasn’t been shit to like in over a decade now
that’s his problem

>>152318898
In over a decade? That's real picky then

>>152316565
That's because he sucks in the comics and is only cool in the movies, and I guess games.

>>152316096
weird fans that just don't read comics but are fans of the abomination MCU version and then attempt to gaslight everyone by saying tom is the most comic accurate because… he’s young or something.

>>152314837
>>152314896
x-men comics readers are the actual faggots so that’s projection

>>152314799
Pretty much any character that got all their popularity from movies or a cartoon.

We're still dealing with Batman fans who only ever watched the 90s movies and the Timm cartoons. 80% of Poison Ivy fans could never tell you that she ever had any other gimmick than being Harley's girlfriend with Swamp Thing powers. Overwhelming majority of Wolverine, Punisher, and Venom fans only like the visual aesthetic and barely know anything about the characters. They just buy the t-shirts.

Going back to the 70s easily half of Superman fans could never tell you what the hell happens in a Superman comic.

>>152314864
>>152314884
This came up back in Secret Wars in the mid 80s too. The X-Men immediately started treating the other heroes like shit, decided to go their own way, and kept claiming mutants keep to themselves.

It's also the whole nature of Spider-Man's beef with them. They have been treating him like shit since they first met in the 60s.

>>152314799
99% of Guardians of the Galaxy fans.

>>152314799
Power Girl fans.

>>152317462
They really need to just keep him as Space Thor who hangs out with the cosmic characters and does cosmic level shit. Writers never ever let Thor go to space and go fight cosmic villains any longer. Let Bill do that.

>>152319830
To be fair, as a Power Girl fan, I would advise against reading ninety percent of her comics anyway.

>>152314805
You still see X-fags that think Wanda and Quick are mag's kids because the retconned happened in Avengers they pulled that "true father" shit with Wanda during one of the hellfire galas

>>152319846
I only know of her because of porn.

>>152319803
>This came up back in Secret Wars in the mid 80s too.

There was also the time in Avengers vs X-men (the old one) where they refused to let Magneto face trial for his MANY crimes they were first hand witness too, and fought the Avengers to protect the global terrorist because MUH MUTANT. Oh and then there was the time they chimped out on on Reed Richards for NOT being able to cure Kitty's state of intangibility through a far too dangerous procedure, shacked up with Dr Doom and proceeded to be the WORST house guests ever. Especially Magneto who was told to not use his powers because it would fuck up the procedure and then Magneto went and used his powers anyways.

>>152314854
Other characters aren't written with a victim complex so the bad things they deal with stop mattering after a year in the wake of the new bad thing. Plus the intentionally avoid bringing up how Nova did Genosha or magneto causing most mutant hate

>>152317167
>both sides in a civil war want to genocide each other
>the more powerful side is actually trying it
>the losing side has it's own superhuman who'd be happily genociding his rivals given the chance
You deserve to be memoryholed for thinking this is bad. It's more true to life than one side in an ethnic civil war being evil and the other side being innocents who did nothing wrong.

It didn't even get destroyed because of the specifics of those stories being controversial, but just because late 90s Avengers was in the hands of people seething about the Force Works book in general.

>>152320153
Also the term for the region is "ethnic cleansing"

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>>152317284
>Playing Rivals with my cousin
>His friend asks what comics I would recommend for Luna Snow.

>>152320311
That's hilarious, aww.
Did you recommend them anything else?

Powerlevelfags of all variety
>Wandafags ignoring that she was amped during house of M and bully any writer trying to tone her down

>Sentryfags that want the books to be a about Sentry squashing the universe instead of Bob

>stormfags who have latched onto the Omega shit like a dog with a bone. The writer himself being one and tanking book with nonsensical wank

>Novafags turning on the loveness run and the new run because he is "nerf'd
This one pisses me off particularly because despite the massive boost rich was still getting his ass whooped in annihilation and the events after. It's like they have only seen Annihilus's death. a Death where he literally too strong for Rich to hurt from the outside so he had grab is guts

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>>152314805
>All those X-fags that think the Inhumans were created by Ike Perlmutter in 2014
>actual comic websites writing articles about the Inhumans stole the uncanny tagline before finding they had it first

>>152320153
Why didn't the UN simply ship the minority Dudak people elsewhere? If they have a thousands of years old blood war infesting their people that only was stopped through the firm hand of the Soviet Union, then making a separate nation is efficient.

>>152319830
I wouldn't classify gooners as fans, especially not the ones here.

>>152320414
Why do we even have death battle threads, doesn't that invite more of those voices?

>>152320311
you tell them the truth. That she's as hit character. And that she doesn't have any good comics. And then you show them a good comic.

>>152320626
Near as I can tell Death Battle is just a containment general for the autistic fan fic worshiping retards that it contains and the whole pit is just an e-celeb fuck fest in desperate need of deletion. How some asinine internet cartoon got so massive that it gets treated as a fact is beyond me.

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The motherfucking KING of this (and it's perfectly fine for people to like cool skull guy who kills bad guys on premise alone)

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It's not that I don't understand that some people get into things through secondary sources. I don't even think they need to get into the primary ones if they're happy. But it feels like there's always a special kind of obstinate obtuseness. I've met people who not only don't get that the movies and comics are different in a lot of ways but somehow can't even process the idea that they could be. I've tried to explain how the starting line up was different. How it was Pym who made Ultron and stuff like that and they just look at me with such a confused look.

>>152320912
Have you tried using an example of a different media adaptation changing things?

>>152321002
Somewhat but they got this weird idea about things it comes to super hero stuff that I don't really get.

>>152321043
I don't get why. With Constantine, I think it's been long enough that people can understand that its different from the comic books by a lot, but comic book fans have come out to say that even if it's a bad adaptation, they think the film itself was great. I think it really depends on where you go, but it's less bad around the nerd dens

>>152321282
I doubt too many people knew Constantine was even a comic

>>152320456
>All those X-fags that think the Inhumans were created by Ike Perlmutter in 2014
>and think the Inhumans are aliens from outer space
>X-fags who don't even read old X-books where the Inhumans appeared in at least one pivotal early 90s story and Apocalypse used to have a squad of Inhuman henchmen

Fem Loki fans who don't realize he's body jacking Lady Sif

>>152321634
>X-fags who don't even read old X-books where the Inhumans appeared in at least one pivotal early 90s story and Apocalypse used to have a squad of Inhuman henchmen
there are so many more of these than there should be

>>152319859
It's worse than that, it's their refusal to read anything in Avengers or any Wanda or Pietro solo material, leading them to think the twins never had anything going on in their lives but "Magneto's kids" and thinking that was always the entire point of them as characters. They don't seem to care about "Quicksilver" or "Scarlet Witch" at all, just "Magneto's kids", like that's a hill they'd die on.

They seem to largely just be in collective denial that the twins being related to Magneto was just a dumb retcon because of hair color, and in denial that it was undone 12 years ago.

>>152320414
>Wandafags ignoring that she was amped during house of M and bully any writer trying to tone her down
>most of the Wandafags here and in other comic forums are waifufags
>there's this massive perception that the entire fandom is just powerlevelfags because of people on Twitter
It's just depressing.

>>152322247
>>most of the Wandafags here and in other comic forums are waifufags
Well she is very beautiful.

>>152319830
Peeg fans like the 12 issue Palmiotti/Conner run and that’s it, they haven’t read and hate everything else

>>152322280
To be fair Atlee was very cute

>>152322247
At this point haven't they not been his kids longer than they were his kids?

>>152323192
Not yet. They were introduced in 1964 and 1979 when the backstory that was connected to Magneto was established, but the name Magneto is never used nor does he physically appear. If you use The Vision and The Scarlet Witch where it is said directly on panel, that would be 1983. The story it was changed to not Magneto again was 2015. Going with the conservative number, that would be 32 years yes, 30 years no.

>>152323348
>The story it was changed to not Magneto again was 2015.
Axis was late 2014, but it may have had 2015 cover dates.

>>152320538
>UN
>Actually doing something
This thread is about people who don't read comics, not people who don't read the news.

>>152314799
Deadpoolfags. Even before the movies these annoying fuckers were only familiar with out of context panels, usually by Daniel Way.

>>152323444
Waypool was already based off of out-of-context panels.

>>152323456
Which makes it worse that faggots actually believe this is what Deadpool is.

>>152314799
Basically anyone posting shit like
>See! This character hates your politics!
is a poser, especially when it comes to comics from before the 2000s

>>152323493
That's not a character, you're just salty
Go back to /pol/

>>152323590
I specified it's any character they do that with though. How did you not understand that?
>/pol/
What does that have to do with anything?

>>152323444
Moon Knights are the 2020s equivalent to 00s-10s Deadpool fans except somehow worse because 99% of panels MK fans like are fucking edits and they're too stupid to realize that.

>>152314799
I'm actually an Iron Man fan who has read his comics and you can tell because there are extended periods where I feel like not being an Iron Man fan

>>152323949
>RANDOM BULLSHIT GO

>>152323979
So what are those Iron Man reading person?

>>152314799
>Loki is a whiny UwU sadboy in the MCU
who now might as well not be called Loki at all in his own series and Doomsday.
>Loki is a tranny in recent comics who fucks around and eats hotdogs while using they/them pronouns.

What they’ve done to him is depressing.

>>152323949
It’s so bad it’s started to leak into adaptations, most prominently Rivals, who has a line referencing the stupid fucking “Dracula owes me money” bit. It’s unbelievably annoying, particularly given how genuinely good the character’s been for the last decade (save for Age of Konshu) with things like the Mission, his relationship with Tigra, the expansion on what Konshu can actually do via Hunter’s Moon, Reese being a sort of apprentice for Marc to cement his new self with, 8-Ball getting redeemed, and so on.

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>>152324436
>What they’ve done to him is depressing.
I mean have you read the myth?

>>152314799
All of them? No one's reading shit these days.

>>152314805
Sh-shut up!!! Y-you're just a jealous flatscan, that's all!!

>>152322247
>refusal to read anything in Avengers
Nigger, the majority of Avengers fans don't care about what's happening in the comics. They just write fanfics Tony plowing Peter, or Bucky plowing Steve.

>>152316085
Nah they're stuck in Rebirth era since that was his only passable run.

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>>152314799
Why do people hate Loki fans? What did we do? The schizo who post here doesn’t represent all of us.

>>152326003
You're massive faggots

>>152318853
Some Ewing stuff if you can excuse the troon stuff in it, even though he's more of a side character in Immortal Thor, his portrayal is overall good and interesting and a continuation of his Defenders Beyond arc. JMS Loki was also peak until Siege cut his arc short, but he still was good afterwards. I particularly recommend Siege: Loki, it's probably one of the definitive portrayals of the character.

>>152323949
Add onto that the fact that the show itself is a terrible adaptation and the showrunner admitted that he didn’t like the comics which is why you see none of his supporting cast or villains, including Bushman, the villain who’s arguably most important to Moon Knight’s story.

>>152324508
weird horse

>>152316096
I swear Spider-Man comics are bought by the same white boys and Mexican millennials who obsessively buy and argue about anything with Sonic the Hedgehog in it online and have One Piece profile pics.
There's oddly a big overlap between those two franchises in the audience they attract. It's not autism as much as a specific flavor of autism that Spider-Man fans are all depressed furries and hoodweebs who love Goku

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>>152316565
>>152319370
Man, fuck Miles.

If they wanted a black character to be Peter's successor, Hobie Brown was right there. He had his own struggles, didn't want to be a bad guy, and was set on the right path to be one of Spidey's friends, and he was the original Prowler.

Miles has been skinwalking a squeaky-clean version of this character for 15 years. They did Hobie dirty

>>152327393
But that would have made far too much sense, plus this way they can make him spider-punk for double the money.

>>152320414
>>Novafags turning on the loveness run and the new run because he is "nerf'd
Damn is this really a thing? Just having Rich around and not dead is enough to satisfy me after the original sin mess happened

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>>152327536
Spider-Punk is fine as it's own thing but main canon 616 Hobie could've fit the role of Peter's junior so much better than a character from an alternate universe who was shilled hard enough to be imported to the main universe. Hobie could've had his arc organically

>>152327715
Yeah, Spider-Punk could still exist in the same vein as Noir. I am curious how you’d handle him though. Would you make him a concurrent Spider-Man like Miles or a full legacy character like they were going to do with Ben Reilly?

>>152327771
I pictured him being kind of like how the current video games handle Miles, learning from Peter after he's been in his career for a while

>>152327610
Seems to be common among the D&A era readers who didn't know about him before Annihilation

As if any of you actually read, lol.

>>152320626
Should get dumped on the youtuber board

>>152323348
I haven't read Marvel in awhile, who's kids are they now? Always glad to see a retcon die.

>>152323348
>They were introduced in 1964 and 1979 when the backstory that was connected to Magneto was established
Wasn't it established that their were the childs of Whizzer and Miss America?

>>152330410
Natalya Maximoff, so they were raised by an aunt and uncle. No stated father currently.
>>152330570
Before 1979. If you don't remember that story, Mantis was with the Avengers at the time. 1979 was when Whizzer/Miss America connection was said to be not true.

Miles Morales

>>152322247
>They seem to largely just be in collective denial that the twins being related to Magneto was just a dumb retcon because of hair color, and in denial that it was undone 12 years ago.
It sounds like that time John Byrne tried to make Flint Marko into Norman's cousin because they shared an hairstyle.

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>Watching people try to ignore all the super evil shit Magneto did

>>152319803
>It's also the whole nature of Spider-Man's beef with them. They have been treating him like shit since they first met in the 60s.
Which is funny because most everyone else is cool with Spider-Man nowadays despite their first encounters with him being kind of sticky since he was a bigger asshole back then, guess the X-Men never got over him humiliating them during Secret Wars.

>>152331882
Seeing this kind of stuff made me understand Shooter's decision to kill Jean Grey for killing a galaxy.
Like yay, lets forget how this man forced his later retconned to be daughter to dance by depraving her brain from blood.

>>152332399
I mean to give credit where credit is due the new Holiday special showed Pete being treated well by just about everyone.

>>152332419
I was just about to share this! It was a very nice issue and it felt great to see other characters appreciating him so much.

>>152332492
Now if it only sticks

>>152331051
I don't think Natalya Maximoff has been mentioned since she was introduced.

>>152333194
Well she is dead.