tom dubois from the boondocks like, the writers are most likely painting him in a bad light but, apart from sending other black men to jail (he later became a defense attorney) and being an insecure pushover in a bad relationship, I don't understand why I should consider him an uncle tom. other than the flaws he has, he seems like a normal guy to me
>>152333183You're just making this thread because Tom looks exactly Don Lemon's jailed and railed ass
You are white. You have values.That is ok.You will not understand.
Having faith in and being a tool of a system that doesn't have your back is retarded.
>>152333448>You are white.Kiss my Irish ass.
>>152333480Yeah, Tom should put his faith in his black neighbors. >Tell that to your wife. Oops.
>>152333183American Black Values state that a Black Man cannot be properly judged by White Institutions because of the historical and modern incentives to criminalize People.So in supporting such a system Tom is seen as a traitor that gives underserved legitimacy and therefor hurts Black People.Its fucked and stupid when you think about it but the cultural Bad Faith goes so deep you can't really fix it.
>>152333482Celts are whiter than Anglo-Norman mystery meat. Not even memeing - blue eyes, blond and red hair. Not that it matters.
>>152333183He is Carlton and McGruder is the one dude from that episode of Fresh Princehttps://youtu.be/Q5D2RvIQwQE?si=l5fwZGg1aJMfXqHS
>>152333480Have black people considered it's not the system's fault but their own retarded asses?
>>152333518>the cultural Bad Faith goes so deep you can't really fix itIt can be fixed it just requires whites to remove themselves from the situation in a sense. McGruder described a mass apathy that would develop in white people. Its not hate its simply saying "I don't care" Imagine some dude rambling about how he is treated unfairly and everyone's eyes just glaze over.
>>152333600Those traits came from the vikings, indigenous irish have dark hair
>>152333518The great irony is saying this stupid shit essentially is arguing that blacks lack the intellectual capacity to exist within the "white man's" world. This is victimization to such a degree that the individuals calling themselves victims are actually selling themselves short to a degree where they admit they rather be a thorn to society than actually thrive in it. No other race seems to have this problem by the way.
>>152333183He was a bad case of Flanderization, in the first season (maybe second as well) he was Huey and Rileys bitch but otherwise treated with a lot of respect by everyone else, especially his wife. They didn't make him a cuck bitch until a bit later, probably just to have a reliable bitch character ala Butters or Jerry Smith.
>>152333600lmaoI mentioned in the Asian thread that my grandma was a blue-eyed redhead (strawberry blonde). And Asian. Hair and eye colour ain't got about to do with how white you are lolI know a literal African with red hair and green eyes>>152333183>other than the flaws he has, he seems like a normal guy to meThe Boondocks doesn’t just present Tom Dubois as a flawed individual. It uses him to critique assimilation into white suburban culture and the obsession with respectability in the educated Black community. The negative light is more about the ideas he represents than about him as a person.He's never shown to be anything but an upstanding, educated black man but the show and comic, being satire, exaggerate his flaws to comedic effect and as a strawman to argue against the assimilationist mentality espoused by some educated black people.
>>152333212who tf is don lemon, why do i keep hearing about him, and why does he have the fakest name ever?
>>152333767>No other race seems to have this problem by the way.You've clearly never met a native. Jesus fuck, my ex used to talk all the fucking time about "the white man" and I'm like "bitch, your dad's Polish!"
>>152333831Lamestream host for CNN until he was recently fired. He went into independent journalism. Recently he incited protests at Minneapolis' churches during service as a way to get a story on people's reaction to ICE raids in the city. He's been arrested for breaking the KKK act which made it illegal for individuals to harass, antagonize, or intimidate people during church.
>>152333848>NativesShit forgot about them but you're right.Interesting how the two demographics with the most federal aid are the ones that have the largest issues with functioning in society
>>152333183Fuck Tom haters. Everyone should be like him. Blacks, whites, browns, yellows. Tom lacks courage but he is otherwise a decent, responsible and rational human being.
>>152333862The irony
>>152333767>>152333848The missing piece is that reconstruction failed and with its failure the black community failed to integrate until it was to late and became a internal cultural other instead of a cultural aspect.Same thing happened with natives but because their as so much less of them its not as noticeable.For black people to become a part of the "white mans world" its a two way street where black people want in, and white people do not care. But white people did care, they fucking hated that the niggers that were brought over as slave labor stuck around after their service was no longer important, and so wanted noting to do with them besides having a punching bag.And so black culture has mostly opted out of wanting to integrate and is resentful that they entirely exist in another cultures nation but are to engrained to do anything tangible besides jacking off to the fantasy that the US will give them trillions in reparations and have over Georgia as a ethnostate or some shit.
Boondocks was really schizophrenic about it's opinion on black idenity. Tom is portrayed as a sissy for being well educated and wealthy enough to live in Woodcrest but the other extreme is Thugnificent who is clearly not a role model despite his even greater success.
>>152333955This is such bullshit. Blacks have been given plenty of opportunity to fully integrate without issue. The great irony is that blacks were more willing to integrate to society before the civil rights movement than after. Just look at black family structures. They've completely floindered following the civil rights act ironically because of all the federal benefits afforded to them. Blacks have essentially allowed themselves to become a group dependent on the government while actively doing everything they can do be a burden towards it and the powers that be gladly accept this because it creates an ever obedient class of voters that will continue to give endless power to the government so long as they continue to get their handouts and are allowed to violently chimp out from time to time.
>>152333767>they admit they rather be a thorn to society than actually thrive in itIts a special kind of spite that grows within the group consciousness. It develops as a mix of them seeing that victimhood gets them places and the refusal to take responsibility for their own actions. This is not exclusives to blacks a lot of groups like another anon mentioned indians. Though they are usually more deranged with it since they have nothing. Every generation they lose more and are on a slow road to death. So its sort of just one last bit of kicking and screaming before that comes. Gays also do this shit as well. See pic related
>>152333183>Robert's only Black friends in Woodcrest were UNCLE Rucks and TOM DuboisWhat did MacGruder mean by this?
>>152333818I think I remember you in that thread .it was about that asain in the green long sleeved shirt.
>>152333884Doesn't matter how decent, responsible and rational someone is if they're a fucking pushover, because it'll be victimized by the first person with bad intentions. It took the active threat of a booty raping by the Booty Warrior for an entire episode for Tom to defend himself.
>>152334015>Blacks have been given plenty of opportunity to fully integrate without issueBullshit back at you unless you mean 'accept being at the bottom of the social hierarchy forever"American has always hated black people from Jim Crow, to the countless lynching's, to shit like the Greenwood District getting burned, to Black Towns and neighborhoods getting bulldozed for the Highways, the social position that American culture has always deemed fitting for black people is as something in the way.Again integration requires apathy from the dominant population towards the efforts of the minority, especially apathy of action which was the baseline reconstruction was trying to get to before it failed..
>>152333995Its more that McGruder wanted to make a show that covered his views on shit but reality didn't agree with him. He used it to criticize and comment shit that he didn't like in the black community and society as a whole. But it just lead to people laughing, then years later as more shit became known people continued to laugh but at the same time they had that "Oh fuck they are really like that" moment. So you end up in a situation where they are laughing at your people and mocking them for acting retarded without seeing other lessons he wants to give. Or at least that's what he thinks since a lot of people get the message but still think its funny and retarded. Anyway WHAT GOOD NYUKKA?
>>152333767>No other race seems to have this problem by the way.what the fuck are you talking about, every race that isn't white or asian has this problem
>>152334015Black people are not a burden on society. Plenty of black folks have pretty respectable jobs especially now that there are many job opportunities for them than there were before but you'll glaze over and ignore those types of people who don't fit your narrow stereotypes of what a black individual is and should be just so you could be a racist A-hole and demonize an entire group of people.
>>152334176>from Jim CrowOne part of the country> to the countless lynching'sAgain one part of the country>to shit like the Greenwood District getting burnedThat was a local race riot and it was not nearly as bad as people keep saying it was, it is one of the most lied about incidents.>to Black Towns and neighborhoods getting bulldozed for the HighwaysNot exclusive to them a lot of people were fucked over by the interstate highway system. >the social position that American culture has always deemed fitting for black people is as something in the way.Because they keep acting a certain way. >Again integration requires apathy from the dominant population towards the efforts of the minoritySo something that blacks don't want.
>>152334178>>152334233Black people just don't treat our trash like trash and keep both encouraging and making excuses for being reprobates. White people call white trash white trash and don't make excuses for them or pretend that they can be anything more than white trash.
>>152334233Remind the class which demographic commits the most crime per capita
>>152334176More white people were killed by blacks last year than the entirety of blacks killed via lynching in all of american history.
>>152334251>One part of the countryYou meant the part where the most black people live outside of the Chicago area?>Not exclusive to them a lot of people were fucked over by the interstate highway system.But how many of those people and entire communities were part of a marginal background that lacked the cultural resources to reacclimate.>Because they keep acting a certain way.The assassination of multiple political figures and social leaders in the 20th centuryAlso CIA spreading crack into black communitiesAlso the Tuskegee Experiment causing a mass distrust of Doctors>So something that blacks don't want.They used to want it in as much as any mainly lower class culture wanted it, but not anymore because time and time again they have been punished for trying to uplift themselves culturally, individuals and thrive as pet minorities but cultures need time and resources to grow into respectable forms and in one hand for every bit of legitimate support offered by America there has been a knife in the other hand stabbing the black community in the gut.If you think the current support has been enough and its on black people compared to the level of hostility and destruction, then we have nothing else to discuss because we have fundamentally different views on what it takes for a minority culture to develop and integrate.
>>152333212Why does Tom look more real in this side by side than Don?
>>152334402>Muh CIA crackDamn if only blacks could just... not use drugs.
>>152333789Yeah, what was up with that? They also made Sarah pretty messed up too, like she only married Tom because she had a thing for black dudes. That was weird, especually seeing how in love they seemed in their first appearance.
>>152334389The billionaire class.
>>152334086It’s interesting that Robert comes off as normal compared to almost everyone in Woodcrest.
>>152334462Its the same deal with all poor communities, otherwise we wouldn't have the Midwest fentanyl crisis.Which is the point, I have been trying to make.The shit black people are accused of as black behavior, is just poor behavior. And as a racial community black people have been held back from having a sizable middle class population and the culture that comes with it, because a bunch of white people could not get over the fact that the enslaved population got universal emancipation.And now its everyone's problem because there is now a resentful culture isolate that has noting but distain and hostility for their parent nation..
>>152334569If that were the case poor black crime rates would be the same as poor white crime rates and they aren't. They are much higher. Even blacks of higher wealth status commit more crime than poor whites.
>>152334402>You meant the part where the most black people live outside of the Chicago areaSo again one part of the country not all of America>But how many of those people and entire communities were part of a marginal backgroundSo you are just fishing for any victimhood shit you can get. >The assassination of multiple political figures and social leaders in the 20th centurySo like everyone else?>Also CIA spreading crack into black communitiesOh wow, the CIA doing fucked up shit? Stop the presses.>Also the Tuskegee Experiment causing a mass distrust of DoctorsAre you just regurgitating shit you marxists teachers told you? How the fuck is some random black kid in Chicago going to hear about an experiment that wasn't made public until years later? >They used to want it in as much as any mainly lower class cultureThis is what outs you, you see them as inherently inferior and are just using them as a tool to virtue signal and push an agenda. Who the fuck would describe any group as being lower class as if its some kind of inherent thing to them?>but not anymore because time and time again they have been punished for trying to uplift themselves culturallyBy fellows who pull them back down. >and thrive as pet minorities but cultures need time and resources to grow into respectable formsThey have had both, stop making excuses. >in one hand for every bit of legitimate support offered by America there has been a knife in the other hand stabbing the black community in the gutNo it fucking hasn't, but if hat's what you think then lets stop it all together if the government cant actually do anything right.>If you think the current support has been enough and its on black people compared to the level of hostility and destructionEvery culture has hostility towards it, if they cannot survive on their own then no one can help them.
>>152334569The shit black people are accused of as black behavior, is just poor behaviorSo you are a marxist,
You have the rich literally torturing and eating babies, and your still worried about le 13/50.
>>152334603>>152334622At this point I give up, mainly because continuing my argument would require me to add an addendum about cultural hostility to my previous blanket statement and so any other argument I make will just come across as me coping with my fuckup.You guys have still failed to convince me I'm in the wrong with my view and I clearly did noting that convinced any of you.But I fucked up the rhetoric and concede.
>>152334731Fallacy of relative privation. Just because other shit is happening doesn't mean certain issues disappear. People can talk about more that one thing.
>>152334569While I understand what you're trying to say, they're not the same. The crack epidemic came about due to the precipitous drop in price and massive availability of crack compared to other drugs compounded by the massive increase in the overall drug trade around the same time while the opioid crisis came about by drug manufacturers intentionally downplaying the health risks and addiction potential of legal painkillers while incentivizing over-prescription through gifts to healthcare providers. What they do share in common is both are underpinned by long-term economic downturns in the afflicted areas with a general sense that they have been abandoned by politics and wider society.
>>152334759>will just come across as me coping with my fuckupCould it be that that is exactly wat you are doing? Do you ever think that maybe if you keep ending up in this situation that what you believe is wrong and that you are just refusing to see the truth? I mean you had all of this shit ready to go so its clear you get into this sort of shit often and yet you still struggle with the most basic shit. Have you ever pondered that maybe you have been lied to by people that are just using race and culture as a weapon to destabilize society?
>>152334801Ironically this is the first time I have argued this in depth /here/ with examples and the like nor do I debate often, so to me its not that I'm being misled its that, I fucked up by making a blanket statement in the heat of the moment, I fundamentally do not believe that any group of people is beyond civility nor inherently undeserving of companionship or safety but I am a materialist as heart and that's how I engage with and perceive the world.But I'm also in the position of a just getting by renter who doesn't have that much to lose within the current system myself and so has little attachment. It could be that my stance on these topics things will change if/when I have save enough to buy a home by that's not the me I am now.
>>152334902>Ironically this is the first time I have argued this in depth /here/ with examples and the like nor do I debate oftenYet you had all of this ready, and gave it all in the exact predictable manner as so many others before you have.>I fucked up by making a blanket statement in the heat of the momentThat statement was the root of your argument.>I fundamentally do not believe that any group of people is beyond civilityThat is not what was being argued and you know that, we were talking about how its their own fault that they where they are. It will be a century from now and they will still be doing the same shit and blaming the white man even if he isn't there. It will be one eternal blood debt which will be the stem of everything which they will use to excuse their behavior and problems.>But I'm also in the position of a just getting by renter who doesn't have that much to lose within the current system So one of the useful idiots that is being pushed by free lunch rhetoric. If you were given a billion dollars tomorrow would you feel this way? Would you still look at everything as being irreparable and needing some "glorious revolution" to wipe the slate and bring forth "utopia"?
Reposting a golden post another anon made a few years ago:Tom is a metaphor for how black people that live successful lives through hard work and education in US society are largely held at a distance by both black and white Americans. He's not "black enough" for black people, and he's constantly being patronized or taken advantage of by the white people in his neighborhood. This social isolation, whether he recognizes it or not, is one of the primary sources for his anxiety and lack of confidence. The writers were basically pointing out that issues with race in the US have led to the expectation of people of a given race to be associated or in touch with their "cultural behaviors." It's why his wife married him in the first place, yet fell head over heels for Usher. No matter how much or little Tom is "like" other black men, he still deals with similar obstacles they do outside of money and his career in predominantly white areas. At the same time, black people are apprehensive of him because, the way they see it, he has the same things going for him that white Americans historically held over black demographics. Sociopolitical hangups have left him without a community to fall back on.
>>152334095Yeah, you're right. I'm like that too. It's just that it is tiresome to have to always watch your back and it is both draining and counterproductive to have to be antagonistic to those around you to defend yourself.
>>152334178kudos to yarborough for being able to do stinkmeaner and tom
>>152334090No, it's this one: >>152327540That's very clearly blue, not green.My specific posts are >>152328828 and >>152328952, as well as the one that translated Italian.
>>152334178Mcgruder went too hard on mocking the black community but also failed to suggest any alternatives or show bright spots, so all that's left is to just assume we're all fucking stupid from the outside looking in.
All the blacks in my apartment complex throw the trash on the ground outside the dumpster. They also drive their cars on the sidewalk to make it easier for them to unload their cars. This breaks the sidewalk. Trash is also left lying around the ground outside their apartments. They're also always loud at late hours, waking people up.It sucks here.
>>152334015That' not going to work forever. White people from gen Z onward have been taught by Blacks that it's okay to hate Africans. This is what shit like Black Lives Matter have done. And since the creator of Boondocks supports that movement I hope his worst nightmares happen during his lifetime. Especially since Blacks have done great work at also making Asians and Latinos hate them. The coming decades from this century will be amusing for North American race relations.
>>152334059>indiansThe Native Americans thankfully will go extinct eventually once their bloodlines cease or are so mixed that they look like Johnny Depp and we all remember that scandal. Basically there's no future for their bloodlines to remain pure.
>>152335562Without Caesar, the character in the comics that's the closest to Macgruder's actual feelings on the subject, you're left with Huey being the protagonistBut Huey can't be the protagonist as a cariacture so he has to become more measured and cynical which makes his character less of a joke and more of a failure
>>152336414Huey's future is being an ineffectual and probably very embittered intellectual.
>>152335092Mixed race people really have it rough if they don't find friends early on. I knew an oreo in highschool but he got along with us because he liked playing video games, and my school didnt have that many ratchet people. It was a low-to-mid middle class area.
>>152333818Is she cute?
>>152333848Lets be honest, if anyone knows about the Europeans fucking you over, in europe itself, it'd be the poles.
>>152334509>billionaire stole muh bike
>>152333789I think the R. Kelly trial is still his best appearance as a normal dude just trying to do his job in a broken and ridiculous system that doesn't care.
>>152336910that episode's end with sara cheering him up is how i choose to remember her. the usher shit was character assassination for the sake of pandering to hoteps/dr umar incels
>>152334509Always two steps ahead. >In 30 years, that boy will be President of the United States... and he'll still be a fucking idiot!"
>>152333183the whole legal profession is a joke. The cops, prosecutors, D lawyers, etc. they all know this. They know the system better than anyone & see it fails.Someone who works in it as a 'true believer' is cringe.
>>152333212I think Don Lemon was just in holding. They dont rape people in holding
>>152333183the comic paints him in a bad light, but i don't remember the cartoon doing so. for example, he prosecuted r kelly and i'm pretty sure the creator doesn't like kelly, given that he has his self insert give a speech about r kelly being bad
>>152333183he is based.
>>152333725So he predicted black fatigue?
>>152333767>is arguing that blacks lack the intellectual capacity to exist within the "white man's" world.explain indiaexplain most of africa
What I didn't get is why a black guy be a prosecutor in cases against a black defendant is meant to be bad.Would they rather it be some white guy? And if so why?Or do they just not want black people to be prosecuted?
>>152338836Leftists believe black people only commit crimes because of racism so it's unfair to prosecute them.
>>152338836Damn, I need to get better at checking everything when I edit and reformulate what I type before posting.That first sentence is mangled.
>>152334474For the sake of building on the loser image they wanted Tom to carry.
>>152333818>critique assimilation into white suburban cultureLiterally what's wrong with that? What's wrong with not committing crimes?
>>152333183I don't think they were necessarily painting him in a bad light, rather just showed the reality that he'll never be fully assimilated with white people regardless of what he does.The one thing the writers didn't elaborate on, however, is what Tom should change about himself to not be considered a "race sellout". Like his name says, he is a more subtle Uncle Tom so he's not exactly loyal to his roots but there's not much he could've done regarding racism. It'd be nice if McGruder ever elaborated on his TV character somewhere (e.g. an interview) because he's kind of a complex character and many people analyze him differently.
>>152333518>Its fucked and stupid when you think about it>Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.im not black (or american for that matter), but like>we had slavery>then we made all non-crime slavery illegal>and now we have the most prisoners in the world (see "slaves") and a legal system designed to create prisoners (see "slaves")>and we imprison blacks at 5x the rate of whites (see "slaves")you've got to admit, you need to do a lot of talking to pass that off as a coincidence
>>152334086>Black>UNCLE Ruckus
>>152339303This just assumes criminals are the real innocent victims if they happen to be black. Forced labor as punishment and being born into slavery are not the same thing at all.
>>152339333No. an assumption is something you take as true without evidence, which is what you're doing by asserting the system is perfectly fair and unbiased despite significant evidence to the contrary.Its a system which only exists in one country on earth and is tied to what is arguably the worst criminal justice system in the world, given that it incarcerates and enslaves the largest percentage of it's own citizens of any system in the world. If you want me to believe that "it just works" then you have to justify every single one of those failures that no other nation on earth has. >Forced labor as punishment and being born into slavery are not the same thing at all.i didnt write the amendment, take it up with lincon
>>152339303>a legal system designed to create prisonersThey literally let people get off scot free if they don't steal shit worth more than 1000 bucks.And they let violent criminals go with a slap on the wrist.The system is designed to keep criminals out of the prisons, and on the streets.
>>152339512>then you have to justify every single one of those failures that no other nation on earth has.No other nation has Americans as it's population.They're fucking freaks.
>>152339512Can you prove America is the most unjust country in the world? Not just counting developed countries.
>>152333183He's not an uncle tom, the entire point of his character is that he's just an overall coward. He's scared of confrontation, he's scared of seeming too aggressive, he's just scared of everything.
>>152339721It seems silly to be scared of anything outside of legit wack doodles like the brothers or wunder cler kid or ruckus when your wife is a 10/10 '-'
>>152333482You Irish fuckin little dick faggot. All a bunch of fags over there in Ireland.
>>152339547>The system is designed to keep criminals out of the prisonsits a system that created the largest number of prisoners per capita in the world. if your purpose is to incarcerate noone, how do you accidentally incarcerate more people than any other system on earth? make it make sense>>152339550yeah, that's true. 1/5 americans are illiterate after all. its almost like their institutions have treated them as economic instruments instead of people over multiple generations...>>152339571>Can you prove America is the most unjust country in the world?its a system that created the largest number of prisoners per capita in the world.
>>152339802Dude not only knows the Freemans and got possessed by the spirit of Stinkmeaner, dude nearly got his ass torn in half by the Booty Warrior. I don't know if I could blame him for being a coward most of the time.
>>152339880>dude nearly got his ass torn in half by the Booty Warriorwhat a pussy, i could take him
>>152333725Maybe complaining about being treated unfairly would be more believable if you didn't have 10+ times violent felons being allowed to end up murdering a woman in metro>but back then it wasn't like thatEven if, we still were dealing with 10+ times violent felons and had to listen how it was unfair that they weren't sentence for same crime just like white people with no prior criminal history
>why there are so many Black people in prisonsIsn't it the show where MC admits that sentenced to death black murderer was an asshole but hE sTiLl wAs OuR bRoThEr Every culture that understands you remove from the street its criminal element will have decreased criminal element after time. If your thug associate ends up in prison, do you follow his path or rather try selling lemonade on a street? The incentive is to not break law Every culture that allows criminals run amok will have more criminals. Why should you sell lemonade on a street when some thug can just walk in and take your all earnings? The incentive is to become the next thugSimple as. This show was meant to demoralize Black population into what Democrats wanted them to be - complaining that it's racist to expect from Black people to act in civilized way
>>152339721>tfw he is literally me, but black and smarter
>>152339822>Every other country just fucking executes their prisoners! >That's why America is unjust for keeping them alive
>>152336414>War on drugsIt's bit hard to win a war when you're funding both sides.
He's a 'coon'. He is only performatively black and actively rejects his heritage in order to appeal to white people. He is not actively malicious unlike other coons, but he is still damaging to any sort of positive blackness (which Boondocks doesn't really show, just implies exists).
>>152339986You're confusing the episode where they kill Stinkmeaner and have a moment of silence over the fact that despite being comically evil, he was still a person who they shouldn't celebrate the death of, and the episode where a blatantly innocent man on death row is spared by practically supernatural circumstances after Huey tries all sorts of things to save him and fails.
>>152338836It's explicitly stated that he is scared of anal rape yet has sent hundreds of men to prison to be raped. And then swaps to become a public defender after realizing this himself.
>>152340497What is "positive blackness"? Is it committing crime? Knocking up women and leaving them? Being an overall drain on society?
>>152340497Strictly defined under its own criteria there are zero positive black characters in Boondocks. Tom's an oreo, Ruckus actively works against his people, Robert avoids black people and refuses to engage in anything, Thugnificent is a minstrel, Riley is materialistic and unintelligent, and Huey is a do-nothing activist.
>>152333518>American Black Values state that a Black Man cannot be properly judged by White Institutions because of the historical and modern incentives to criminalize PeopleThey should probably all leave then. Im not saying that in a hateful way. But a group of people has to have laws and rules. Some people really do just grow up to be criminals. You have to have laws and some way to deal wirh it. If "you" know you're not going to get a fair shake for the color of your skin and you don't beleive in poc working in the system to improve it, leaving is the only rational choice. Why stay and be a victim?
>>152333183Tom is a sellout because he married a white woman, not because he's a lawyer.
>>152333600>Celts are whiterYall gave up the white card to be loud, violent, and drunk
>>152340630That's part of the point. It's a critique of being black in America. It clearly has love for blackness, but there's nobody in the show you can point to and say "that's a good role model" because that would defeat the point of it.
>>152333725>It can be fixed it just requires whites to remove themselves from the situation in a sense. McGruder described a mass apathy that would develop in white people. Its not hate its simply saying "I don't care" Imagine some dude rambling about how he is treated unfairly and everyone's eyes just glaze over.We are already mostly there. As long as poc don't make noise and dress outlandish, most americans dont care. Theh become invisible like most whites.Ever notice no one really talks about Chinese or Japanese anymore? No one cares but conspiracy nuts
>>152333767>The great irony is saying this stupidThey probably are stupid. The show even admits N'ers are stupid and their own worst enemy. But its not genetic. The slave trade, destroying families and low income and racism caused it. It created a broken culture that produces stupid people. And Im not saying thats all poc. Some are great. But when you meet one that is really dumb as shit, you are probably seeing mutple generations of bullshit culminating in the dumbass before you
>>152340687That's a major fucking issue because if everyone and everything is shit then what's the point of trying if no matter what you do you'll be part of the problem? After a point it becomes less a critique of black people as a cultural/demographic group and identity and more a list of things that annoy the writing staff. Criticism by itself doesn't amount to much.>>152340546Ironically in his position as prosecutor he'd have more impact by exercising prosecutorial discretion.
>>152333818>The Boondocks doesn’t just present Tom Dubois as a flawed individual. It uses him to critique assimilation into white suburban culture and the obsession with respectability in the educated Black community. The negative light is more about the ideas he represents than about him as a person.>He's never shown to be anything but an upstanding, educated black man but the show and comic, being satire, exaggerate his flaws to comedic effect and as a strawman to argue against the assimilationist mentality espoused by some educated black people.I dont think Gen Z and A will be kind to this show because it doesnt offer answers. Boondocks never presents one. Hey, the kid that is suppose to be right all the time doesnt participate in the world of the show much. He is almost a Daria like character that walks around and judges everyone. Of the options presented, Tom seems to be the best option. He has an attractive wife, a good home, a great daughter.I kind of feel the show runners begrudgingly know theh owe the Tom's because there is a small hint Huey will probably end up a writer or artist and mary Tom's daughter, Jazmine Dubois. Which tracks. Guys like Huey always end up disengaged from society and marry the people they disparage. Its like racist whites would marry an asian or light skinned black woman in a second.
>>152333183He ironically fulfills the crabs in a bucket mentality mocked in the hateocracy episode, just endlessly dragged down for escaping his people's mediocre culture
>>152333876>Shit forgot about them but you're right.>Interesting how the two demographics with the most federal aid are the ones that have the largest issues with functioning in societyLets not talk about the Indians. They honestly got fucked pretty bad
>>152333955>jacking off to the fantasy that the US will give them trillions in reparations and have over Georgia as a ethnostate or some shit.Thats probably going to happen. Mississippi was already like 50% nonwhite before the abortion ban. Republicans don't realize they signed their own death sentence as a party by banning abortion. It wasnt white people getting the bulk of those. Woke propoc have been saying abortion was a silent genocide for 50 years now.Mark my words, the republican party will have to purge its racism and fully embrace Christianity to survive. Thats the only way they are going to win the growing poc voting block coming in 20 years. Or I guess tuen the US into a dictatorship, lol
>>152333995>Boondocks was really schizophrenic about it's opinion on black idenity.Thats the reality. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There is kind of a hopelessness of being a smart poc. Theh cant just "be" like whites do.
>>152334015>This is such bullshit. Blacks have been given plenty of opportunity to fully integrate without issue. The great irony is that blacks were more willing to integrate to society before the civil rights movement than after. Just look at black family structures. They've completely floindered following the civil rights act ironically because of all the federal benefits afforded to them. Blacks have essentially allowed themselves to become a group dependent on the government while actively doing everything they can do be a burden towards it and the powers that be gladly accept this because it creates an ever obedient class of voters that will continue to give endless power to the government so long as they continue to get their handouts and are allowed to violently chimp out from time to time.You sound like a racist idiot repeating talking points. I dont even know where to start in adressinf how each of your statements is wrong. Besides, its only been like 100 years. Maybe 3 or 4 generations. You really think a family can just fix themselves in 4 generations after having their families destroyed and owning nothing? Yeah, some poc are stupid fucks. But where is this magic wand where you just wave it and people fix their own flaws quickly and dont pass them to their children
>>152340812>Ironically in his position as prosecutor he'd have more impact by exercising prosecutorial discretion.Yeah, exactly that. Prosecutors are the real arbiters of justice, just because their discretion is the easiest way to get a reduced charge and most of them are looking for justice and efficiency over fucking you just because they can. Going in to public defense means you spend your day trying to negotiate the best deal for your guilty-as-sin, flat-broke client who is either going to take a plea to just try and get this over with as soon as possible, or they're going to drag this whole fucking thing out to trial because they've got nothing to lose.
>>152334059>picSounds like some dumbshit a cop would come up with to explain public untest instead of opening a book.
>>152334636>The shit black people are accused of as black behavior, is just poor behavior>So you are a marxist>understanding the hiarchy of needs makes you a commieSome of you are really stupid
this thread is a psyop to distract from the news that pol was created by israel and epstein.
>>152340924>Mark my words, the republican party will have to purge its racism and fully embrace Christianity to survive.They can't. Those are one in the same.
So much liberal bullshit in this thread, so much woke. When did this place become Tumblr?
>>152341298>So much liberal bullshit in this thread, so much woke. When did this place become Tumblr?>everyone who doesnt bootstrap and hate the people I hate is a wokeYou ever consider that you're just stupid? Like all the stuff you dont like isnt a conspiracy and you're just to stupid to understand it all?
>>152341298/co/ is known as /co/mblr for a reason
>>152333212Dunno who Don Lemon is but his head looks like a football.
>>152333183Being called an uncle tom should be a good thing, but once again, the low-iq majority of black americans had the wrong take. Uncle Tom could have left, but he chose to STAY and try to make things better for the OTHER black people who couldn't leave. He sacrificed for them. Now it's just a derogatory term for a well-read, well-spoken, law-abiding black guy that doesn't act like a literal embodiment of everything racists think of when they think "black person". It's just ghetto niggers trying to shame DECENT black people.
>>152341298Not everyone was brainwashed by the pedophile billionaires to be an upset baby about other races.
>>152341175we’ve known /pol/ is a honeypot for years
>>152333183>the writers are most likely painting him in a bad lightOK. Let's see, he:>married a mudshark>has a mulatto kid>watches gay porn when his wife is asleep>literally sang about not getting raped in prison>let his wife cuck him for ObamaI think painting him in a bad light was well deserved
>>152334286that’s because most white cultures emphasize individual responsibility and an internal locus of control. this worldview isn’t perfect, sometimes you can do everything right and still get fucked over by outside factors, but it’s a good preventative mindset.cultures that prioritize “community” and cultural identity over individual actions end up covering for leeches and lechers.
>>152340625Being the stone that the builder refused,the visual, the inspiration that made Lady sing the blues.
>>152340995>You really think a family can just fix themselves in 4 generations after having their families destroyed and owning nothing?Asians have doctors 2 generations in.
>>152341298Issue 1 bro.
>>152340754>you are probably seeing mutple generations of bullshit culminating in the dumbass before youIt's worseThe white culture of the slave-owning states was already poisoned from their origins in England. If there is a river that is too deep to ford, the logical thing to do is bridge that river, yes? This is NOT obvious and logical to MOST of the world's population, even parts of pre-industrial England. The white people in 1826 Georgia would fail to recognize that a bridge was necessary. Plantation-owning whites are NOT the whites who created the industrial revolution. Any culture that encourages rent-seeking is a dead-end. Freedmen only have these white people as a frame of reference, so even if they adopt the culture of the white people they see, they still get a rotten culture.American blacks have an even worse starting point: their ancestry is a continent with more language GROUPS than Europe has languages inside the Indo-Aryan language group. The concept of cooperation is absent to begin with. There is no native African language that has a word that means "maintenence." Their continent is abundant in resources with no intermediates for processing. For example, you can't exploit extremely hard woods when you have no starting point for the required tools. There is no long-term planning. The future itself is nebulous to them; they lack words to describe 20 years into the future. Then you have the sole reason they are even in the Americas, the slave trade that removes them from their native cultures and languages. So if they don't remember their tribes, they have no substitute but the color of their own skin. Finally, religious customs are fatalistic, life just happens so there is no point in trying. You see this the most in Haiti, the only black civilization in the Western Hemisphere that is black people top to bottom. You combine all these bad ingredients and bake them in 300 years of white trash culture, you end up with American black culture.
>>152336976>the usher shit was character assassination for the sake of pandering to hoteps/dr umar incelsIt's not just Hotep shit, the show in general gets way more cynical and depressive by season 2.It's a massive contrast between Season 1 and 2 off the bat, Season 1 is, ultimately, a very positive, hopeful show in spite of melancholy moments.The Peanuts/ Charlie Brown homages really feel sincere in that it feels like he's trying to capture that same sort of melancholy feel of being an overwhelmed buy hopeful child, albeit with Huey being a more decisive character than Charlie Brown. Every episode feels like it ends on a hopeful note, characters seem more generally goodBut then season 2 , from episode 1 with Huey attempting to get the theater workers to unionize only for them to be fired immediately, it just feels like McGruder leans into expecting the worst in human nature. Tom and Sarah are part of that. they're a well meaning couple in season 1, but by season 2 McGruder can only frame this relationship as one of misguided attraction and disappointment.
>>152333212This is the guy who killed Don Lemmon iirc
I think the funniest thing about the show is the beef with the BP writer who married him to storm, idk, just amusing.
>>152341898>>has a mulatto kidNothing wrong about making more light skinned women that are sweet and kind. She's probably going to grow up hot as fuck.You racist always eventually out yourselves.
>>152342290The reason for that is because Reggie Hudlin helped produce the Fox pilot and locked in a contractual executive producer credit despite not working on the show. He and McGruder had a faling out for an undisclosed reason which is why he got clowned on in the show.
>>152341959>that’s because most white cultures emphasize individual responsibility and an internal locus of control. this worldview isn’t perfect, sometimes you can do everything right and still get fucked over by outside factors, but it’s a good preventative mindset.Not entirely. White people didnt have a peoblem with welfare until they discovered that nonwhites could and did receive it.When it started it was considered a stepping stone for unemployed people to get by and not tern to crimeThere was also this idea of "I paid my taxes, there should be something there just in case I get fired. I paid into the system so the system should help me"This has been eroded to the point that conservatives hate sesame Street and national parks. Pretty much shut down any public good that theh personally dont use today
>>152342023>Asians have doctors 2 generations in.Most Asians dont come over with a. Roken family and zero education or money.
>>152342110Sub-Saharan Africans need another 15000 years reach parity with the culture that landed on the Moon. It was a bad choice to buy slaves from there, colonize there, and send "aid" there. There is no way to fast-track those people to high level civilization.>>152335562Simply stating the problem is a starting point the West is struggling with, 20 years later. Half of the voting base, almost exactly along the lines of sex, simply assumes that whites being racist is the only reason a black man is a criminal, so therefore it is unimaginable to these Karens that a black person is capable of evil. Progressives never experienced, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, nor India. Three of those places have ongoing genocide for very base reasons. There's no Talk-no-Jutsu in Mogadishu. USA is a whole world better than those places simply because it's possible to TALK multiple times before bloodshed occurs. If you're going to stick around in America, you're going to have to exercise patience with black americans much like you exercise patience with children. There is hope but it's going to take 300 years, not 30 years, of persistent behavior correction.>>152340058Only Western societies have bothered to outlaw prisoner executions as standard practice. Only a marxist would insist keeping the prisoner for labor is worse than killing him. The criticisms of US prisons misunderstand the core problems. Harmless crimes get lumped in with violent crimes. Someone busted for weed is trained by prison to murder and steal the rest of his life. US courts are so bloated the prosecutors force plea bargains to speed up the proceedings because trial takes too long. I have a nephew who spent months in jail because he depended on friends who failed to report a dead body, then said friends stopped being dependable. So my nephew too the plea bargain to avoid being homeless. Cut out the laws on non-violent crimes, remove the probable causes for cops, and you'll see incarceration rates plummet.
Is there any aspect of American black political thought that isn't "gibs me dat"?
I don't think the audience was totally supposed to hate him.I think they were often supposed to see some of themselves in him.
>>152342110>The white culture of the slave-owning states was already poisoned from their origins in England. If there is a river that is too deep to ford, the logical thing to do is bridge that river, yes? This is NOT obvious and logical to MOST of the world's population, even parts of pre-industrial England. The white people in 1826 Georgia would fail to recognize that a bridge was necessary. Plantation-owning whites are NOT the whites who created the industrial revolution. Any culture that encourages rent-seeking is a dead-end. Freedmen only have these white people as a frame of reference, so even if they adopt the culture of the white people they see, they still get a rotten culture.This reminds me of some comments in that autobiography on Iceberg Slim. He says clearly that pimping, its methods, how to treat whores and marks came from modeling the slave owners. Now, think of how much rap culture idealizes pimps. Some portion of poc have inadvertently interlized the behavior of their oppressor. They have just switched wich end of the whip and chain they are on and not realized they should discard it entirely
He's the Jerry Smith of this series
>>152342395>Am I out of touch?>No, it's the whites who are wrong.
>>152342370>Is there any aspect of American black political thought that isn't "gibs me dat"?Have you tried asking grok or google?
>>152342464Settle down Elon.
>>152342480If he csnt trust the nazi ai bot, who can he trust?
>>152342464I suggest you read/listen to Thomas Sowell.
>>152342360That's how they did it 150 years ago. The post-Civil-War Chinese immigrants who helped build the railroads came with the clothes on their backs, and most did not even speak English. They were in a more precarious economic position starting out than the freed slaves.
>>152340703>No one cares but conspiracy nutsPretty sure the Chinese are only talked about negatively in regards to the CCP stealing secrets, but at this point, we know there are also white agents for them. A better example would be the Korean Americans, since you hear almost nothing negative about them.
>>152333183poor tom, he deserves better...
>>152343377Does he? Does he really?
>>152342110>There is no native African language that has a word that means "maintenence." Bollocks.
>>152342238Jesus Anon. I thought the goofirst assassinsion plot was playing out in my state.
>>152342238Lemon not Lennon
>>152343377no, he should man the hell up. stinkmeaner of all people has to show him how it's done.
>>152342395>Now, think of how much rap culture idealizes pimps.I would but I'm, too busy thinking about how white people decided pedophiles should have nuclear launch codes.
>>152341959>that’s because most white cultures emphasize individual responsibilitybullshit. they emphasize worshiping plutocrats and collectively blaming non whites for all their resulting self influcted societal ills
>>152343855What did you say niggah!?!?!
>>152341154More that trying to attribute shitty behavior to being a poor people thing is marxist since not all poor people act the same or have the same self destructive subculture which leads to so much retardation.
>>152343417>good father and husband who loves his family>there for his friends>works hardAt most you can say he is a wet blanket.
>>152342360Imagine believing this lmaoMost Asian immigrants are not Korean dermatologists or whatever you imagine our parents/grandparents are.
>>152341038>fag misery homo spotted
>>152343001And they had tons of opportunity compared to negroes. They were also washing clothes, working as tailors, selling food, etc.
>>152343855Honey, I'm home.
>>152334603rural and poor aren't the same thing
>>152345494Who said they were?
>>152334059>Dad cop confirms faggots are pieces of shitBased Dad
>>152342295>Nothing wrong about making more light skinned womenThat only works when the father is white. Anytime the father is brown, the kids also become brown. Actual mulatto mutts look like dark-skinned nappy hair bridge trolls >You racist always eventually out yourselves.Don't care. I embrace it. Reddit is to your left next to the gay bar, faggot. You have to go back.
>>152333183>how is he a sellout?The worst thing Tom's been is a cuck.
>>152345627most "poor" whites used for this arguements live in rural area where the "cost of living" greatly differs from the poor blacks who live in urban areas with a higher cost of living and other factors. This often gets over looked to fit the narrative along with the fact that black crime raised greatly during and after the Regan administration. this also doesn't cover the effective black culture erasure done around this time with the news focusing on the "war on drugs" and then the promotion of media away from tradition black music (Jazz, blues and the like) for hood music and rap.Granted this requires an indepth thought about it, but that requires to much work and can be waved under the scapegoat respone of "So it's whitey's fault". There's a lot of generation damaging happening right now to literally every generation since 2020 and can kinda be compared to shit that happened in the 1980s. This is all still relative and doesn't matter because now with the ones pulling the string gotten this much power, fighting over race is just the norm man. our race will be iour most defined traits ignore the hell a small group in power are doing to us all man.
>>152333767>where they admit they rather be a thorn to society than actually thrive in it. Because society has beaten them down time and time again when they actually try to thrive in it. How can you thrive in conditions like that?
Uncle Ruckus explained it besthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUICxhRm3lA
>>152345977So no one. But you want to make insinuations along those lines to suit your preferred narrative.
>>152343481Prove it. I've observed the same. They all seem to understand "now" and "then" (the past), which is why they don't plan or do other things for "the future".
>>152343926Projection
>>152334176there was a flourishing "negro middleclass" during the Jim Crow era
>>152346101>Prove itNTA but >itọju>ukugcinwa>matengenezo>kiyayewa>ጥገናNow you say 'doesn't count' and possibly a slur.
>>152346101Swahili: matengenezoAmharic: t’igena Xhosa: ukugcinwa
>>152345476>I want to have sexual relations with you
>>152333862>Recently he incited protests at Minneapolis' churches during serviceIt's amazing there are still people happily swallowing the shit put out by federal officials, especially Damn Blondie. You should at least own up to seeking vengeance for its own sake, instead of clutching fig leaves.
>>152333212Don is gonna have to worry about prison anal rape soon
>>152346406>It's amazing there are still people happily swallowing the shit put out by federal officialsHe videotaped himself doing it you stupid nigger. Maybe you should consider that if you're having to constantly lie about what your side is doing, that you're actually the bad guys.
>>152339303>you need to do a lot of talking to pass that off as a coincidenceNo, you don't. You just have to accept that blacks are more violent and criminal than Whites.
