I miss krakoa like you wouldn't believe
Every mutant should be killed
I miss when X-Men was good (pre-Morrison)
Krakoafags seeing the mansion return be likehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koQbJldSzfM
>>152333370>seeing the mansion returnThis hasn't happened
Wait, they finally ended the Krakoa nonsense?
>>152333336I agree anon, I think Krakoa was the best thing to happen to X-men in the 21st century.
Magneto has been hero way long than a villain.
>>152334209Still directly murdered more innocent people then Red Skull
>>152333336We all do.Unfortunately that one editor is in charge.
>>152333336I miss when the X-men weren't evil
>>152333336Krakoa era x-men is like tom king Batman, only appeals to people who “never really like Batman/x-men”
>>152333336I'm at a point where I just want Xavier to be permanently separated from the X-Men. They turn into worse people when he's involved.
>>152333336I am glad is over. Mutants going full Israel was a mistake.
>>152333336Consider suicide
>>152333336I'm sure they'll bring it back in some fashion back when Brevoort's shit continues to crash and burn.
>>152333336Where's Soft Serve?
>>152334256Red Skull doesn't have notable powers most the time, was inactive for decades, and gets even worse if you split him since the most recent Red Skull was a clone. Going to happen by default.
>>152333336Why?
>>152333336Honestly, it's not that hard to have an X-Men setup where everyone gets what they want. You have a superheroic book, one that goes into their cosmic/mystical stuff, a school book, two secondary titles that have more niche setups like X-Factor, and the inevitable Wolverine solo. We all know that Marvel is never going to cull the X-line down to anything less than 4 ongoings for any extended period of time so they might as well just offer something for every aspect of their fanbase.
>>152333387They are getting a replacement mansion/school in X-Men United, which is basically "random generator roster team book anchored by White Queen
>>152333336I wish Hickman wasn't kicked from the line causing the whole thing to go to shit
>>152338210He wasnt kicked, and he didnt have set plans - just an idea of where it would goI miss krakoa too. Ewing, Gillen and Duggan all nailed the ending though. Krakoa had some awesome scifi stories told, like the vault and s.w.o.r.d. Duggan got a lot of shit but i liked his marauders and xmen runs well enough. There are also tons of great small moments during krakoa, like cyclops being judged during judgment day, and magneto vs tarnI also miss the line being cohesive and telling a good engaging storyMckays run is okay.. i actually liked age of revelation enough. Its been good since that doug issue last year
>>152333336the krakoa reddits from 2 years ago or more are straight up a psyop or fake commenters and shills trying to make it seem like a hit when krakoa was a flaming pile of dogshitwriters spend more time on social media than making good comic books. i'd wager that the sales for krakoa were from passer-by readers, who only gave a shit specifically for virtue signalling, and were never actual comic fans-rightclops and magneto lead to krakoa-uncanny 600 shits on beast and presents the x-men as being completely fine with a different direction-krakoa is a fascist ethnostate and the only two mutants that was against the direction that the x-men took nightcrawler died and when he came back he was didn't question cyclops any more for no reason, and beast was turned in to a villain.it's trash and it always will behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5F-MPQGmas
>>152338351>>152336419>>152334300shills
>>152333336Lies. You miss the idea of Krakoa not actual Krakoa.
>>152333336It was disgusting, evil and gay. >>152333349 and >>152333363 are correct.
>>152334209We're about 2 years away from OMD having lasted longer than Spider-Man's marriage. How long this has lasted doesn't mean that the entire premise isn't egregiously retarded and should never have happened, and the same is true here.
>>152333336I really hope Arakko get destroyed and renamed Mars
>>152334797It's the opposite, they wanted the rest to look better and so slowly turned Xavier into an horrible person, I want him to stay forever in space with the Shi'ar because I don't want them near him
>>152339235These guys need to take their planet back from those filthy mutant colonizers.
>>152339248It would be very funny if there was a martian race living underground, a big point about Arakko was that the mutants didn't had to conquer someone else land. I can already see the X-Men fandom trying to find excuses as to why the mutants should still control the surface
>>152339341>mutants should still control the surfaceNot when Martian Law is declared.
>>152338383>Beastfaggot is now shilling casualfaggot youtubers
>>152339341>someone else landWho owned mars before the arakki?
>>152333336Mutants are highly satanic they are NEPHILIM DEMONS
>>152339341It's also ignoring shit like the Outer Space Treaty, which by all rights means the X-men should have been bombed to hell and back the moment they declared themselves kings and queens of the solar system, but I get it, can't stop the villains in part 1 of the story.
>>152339689The original Martians. And after that, Hickman's own species the Gardeners. Both of whom are still dead, but by the logic of the X-men, they're still plundering the graveyards of two other species.
>>152339017How are we from "Barry has been flash again longer than Wally was?"
>>152339724>you can't live here because it belonged to someone 3 billion years ago
>>152339911>Israel
Krakoa should be ignoredJean Grey should be killedBeast should be in the Avengers(who should return to the 80s team)Wolverine and Cyclops should be buddies and the leaders of the teamMagneto should go full Israel, only claremontroons cares about non-evil Magneto
>>152333336You're right, I don't believe you.
>>152333336>>152333363Comparing old vs new is insane. Remember when they were superheroes instead of villains with a persecution complex? All the writing from the last 20 odd years has done is legitimise people like Senator Kelly. Xmen and mutants in general are now justbsupremacist genocidal maniacs. From Genosha to house of M to Terra Verde to Krakoa, they will destroy everyone else on the planet and claim to be the victims.
>>152339715Had a bad night's sleep so I'm gonna list my thoughts to avoid rambling.1. UN treaties like the OST are only binding if signed and ratified on a voluntary basis. If Krakoa did not make itself party to the treaty it's not applicable.2. Supposing that Krakoa had ratified the OST it's still dubious how it would apply in the case of the terraforming of Mars and the relocation of Arakko. Because Krakoa neither militarized nor annexed the planet, there's no clear cut transgression against the principles of the treaty.3. The facilities established by Krakoa on Mars included a spaceport and an embassy complex, neither of which served a military purpose and both were open to nations besides Krakoa.4. Krakoa's joint relocation of Arakko to Mars cannot constitute a land claim on Krakoa's part unless it and Arakko, despite having their own governments and laws, were either one and the same or one was a possession of the other. This was initially murky because Storm and Magneto joined Arakko's governing council, but the matter was made clear by both Storm and Magneto separating from Krakoa.5. At the time of its relocation the Arakki nation was not a member of the UN, let alone a party to the OST, nor subject to any of Earth's jurisdictions. However disagreeable Krakoa and Arakko's unilateral actions were, it's not a legal argument.
>>152339956Wolverine doesn't deserve buddies.
>>152340064They’re just doing their best to emulate what Isreal really is
>>152333336I miss when Professor X didn't look like the Maker for some reason.
>>152340103>Because Krakoa neither militarized Shoved a bunch of warmongering mutants, but sure>nor annexed the planetThey had an entire huge celebration to fucking do just that, fuck right off
>>152339956>(who should return to the 80s team)Any team that isn't the same 7 characters is good to me
>>152339956>>152340064Do you guys just hide in this board all day until someone starts an X-thread so you can post the same shit you've posted for years at this point
A mutant nation state will never succeed. Do it again Bastion and/or Trask!
>>152340395You could say the same for OP. Or for anyone that is still memeing about shit people should have stopped caring about ages ago, like certain character deaths or controversial storylines like Civil War or One More Day.
>Inhumans managed to make a country on first try>Vampires managed to make a country on first try>Deviants managed to make a country on first try>Atlanteans managed to make a country on first try
Arakko people have some of the wrost desings ever.
>>152333363blessed, gilleon and fraction were better than hickman era.
>>152340946Earth mutants care too much about appearances. It's a fact that on earth the more unintrusive your mutation is, the better your life will be. Arakki just care about who's the most powerful, no matter what you look like
>>152340946I like the big lizard man.
>>152338351They explicitly said he planned to end krakoa to move into the next phase and all the other writers and editorial refused. He wasn't forced to leave but he was allowed to tell the story he wanted resulting in him leaving.
Krakoa ruined the Omega concept by handing it out like candy and putting that no limits bullshit on
Status quos aren't good in and of themselves, it's the writers who matter. Gillen was the only Krakoa writer I really liked and he only has so much in the tank before he needing to recharge. One can only take so much Sinister before needing a break.Hickman, Duggan, and Percy can all fuck off.
>>152341401it was always a shit concept.Dazler was a Omega Mutant
>>152341536Wouldn't surprise Gillen came back in a future for a third run
>>152341401The no limits thing didn't really change much except with Storm. She was suddenly as good as Bobby at ice and Vulcan at Energy manipulation. Murewa took it eve further. The other Omegas ate shit on the regular.
>>152333336Go back to r/xmen you fucking loser.
>>152341248Ugly people say this
>>152341954I still not understand why power boost Storm?
>>152333336>Being nostalgic for one of the top worst things happening to the X-MenYeah no. I miss the days when they actually wanted integration, were like heroes and used their powers to show the world they can be trusted.Instead they are now idiot supremacists who think themselves a different species.
>>152340103The obvious counter is that the rest of the world can freely ignore Arakko's claims simply by not recognizing them.
>>152334318I miss when avengers weren't boring fagsOh wait... they were always boring fags
>>152342222Storm has always had a vocal minority of powerlevelfags and social media lets them anoy writers directly. But it isn't all on them. Ewing has always wanked characters he likes see Storm, America chavez, blue marvel, Loki, Hulk. ect. Despite apparently not being a feats guy he does it a lot. Even in royals he had a mid level inhuman throw pluto. Murewa is the aforementioned powerlevelfag and stated in multiple interviews that he wanted to give Storm big feats and Editorial has just let him do whatever.
Krakoa was great.X-Men are not for chuds, not for incelsYou are a butt of every joke. Don't read X-Menavoid the X-Men, go fuck yourselvesX-Men will never be like anything you like (which is crap)Live with it.You have: The Amazing Man-Child Spider-Man, The Incredibly Always Cancelld Iron Man, THe Alcoholic Captain Marvel, and The Defunct Daredevil. Read this crap, and FUCK OFF FROM X-MENX-Men is legit superior to batman and marvel crap. Even now, when Gail the Whale is writing them. Deal with it, and fuck off already. Nobody will budge for you
>>152342487>The Incredibly Always Cancelld Iron ManNot like the X-men are in a better position
>>152341386you know shit, but you talk like a prophet. kill yourself. you know nothing
>>152342471>big feets>stormYES
>>152341932He should, and he should finally be in charge
>>152342493They have like, 10+ books to cancel vs 1 always cancelled book. Even if you hate x-men, the fact that they keep their standard unchanged since the 90s, is impressive.
>>152342471Storm is the biggest Mary Sue in Marvel.than she goes to The Avengers por two months and didn do shit.
>>152342487Unironically commit suicide and free your family from you
>stupid assholes, who don't read x-men whine about the x-men not being the x-men they were since the 80s>newsflash, the x-men are not the 80s x-men since the 90s>they don't care about the actual quality of the books>they don't care about the legit problems of x-books>they care about their political agenda>meanwhile, Trump is in the Epstein filesfuck democrats, just in case
>>152342609no, I will dox you and kill you. Funny thing is, nobody will ever know that you're dead. I will post about it on facebook and twitter, and people will laugh it off, because nobody ever liked you, including your mother
>>152342614Late 80s X-Men and 90s X-Men aren't all that different because Bob Harras was doing the editing either directly or as EiC.
>>152342641each decade is literally different, let me spell it out for you60s: x-men school, 5 people, same uniforms70s: international x-men80s: punk x-men, outback era90s: animated / cartoon x-men, mutant aids, x-files plotholes, two teams: gold and blue, back to basics00s: morrison era, leather jacket x-men, extinction10s: inhumans, extinction II, bendis20s: krakoa, back to the basics IIIit's okay if you hate x-men, just don't demand from them the things that they aren't for a long time. don't blame me, don't blame trannies, blame 9/11 and bush, and maybe even obama
>>152342683A lot of that's superficial "illusion of change" stuff, the way Stan Lee wanted.
>>152341954I think the showdown with Vulcan was pretty bullshit but Ewing did at least excuse it by attributing Vulcan's loss to his mental instability.
>>152342683>10s: inhumans, extinction II, bendisThis was the worst time and it's not close. When people complain about the Krakoan era as if it ruined the X-Men, it's always worth recalling that the era that immediately preceded it was so much worse. It was not a fun time.
>>152342818call it however you want, out of respect, and because I do not want to start a shitstorm, let's say that you can always brush it off
>>152342898Harras-Men always carried the same tone regardless of the superficial changes they made to the status quo. That tone changed significantly once he was fired and Quesada/Morison took over and it's never been the same since, there's really no going back.
>>152342878It was terrible, but keep in mind that marvel writers were sabotaging it. At the time, you had at least 1 x-man in ever marvel book, it's like they did it out of spite. sure, it wasn't nice to have x-men dissolved like that, but they clearly shown that they cared.. Fantastic Four didn't have such luxury. As a matter of fact, they still don't, and they really should, because they deserve more love than X-Men
>>152342918Yes and no. I do not want to go anal (unless you enjo stuff like that), but there was manga period, there was tacticool period, there was twin peaks period, x-files period, friends period. Whatever you want actually. Harras was a stupid drone, he probably would fare better if he just did nothing, but he wanted to be a part of it, so he forced some of the ideas. 90s X-Men was writing itself because it was running on the plotholes that Claremont left, and to add insult to injury, it never explained them, it made them even more convoluted.
>>152342925It wasn't the writers, it was Perlmutter deliberately making it a policy to diminish the X-Men and promote the Inhumans because he was mad Fox had the movie rights.
>>152342878So much of Krakoa was a direct attempt to course correct over 2010s bullshit. Some might say say it was an overcorrection but it was still infinitely preferable to what we were getting.
>>152342989that's true enough, but he didn't force the writers, or the plot, it was all on marvel. And let's be honest, marvel sabotaged the idea. I will be in the minority, but I think that Lemire was a good X-Men writer, almost like Gillen, it's just that he was employed during a bad time.I am in the minority, but I do love when the X-Men are truly depressing. There is something cathartic about seeing innocent children being massacred for being mutants. I enjoy weeping, when cyclops asks himself "is it really worth it?"
>>152342925The couldn't just toss the X-men out like they did the F4. The pull in too much money. They had no problem shitting out deadpool books either despite fox owning him. Doing synergy on mega sonic. Old man logan. Apoc event during his movie.
>>152343038cont. I love scenes like this oneand I love the fact, that X-Men can try many things, many optics, many ideas, not necessarily smart, but the franchise is open-minded in a way that no one else can
>>152342989I'd argue the line went to complete shit a while before the Inhumans push. If not with Schism (I'm personally leaning towards this one) then definitely with AvX.
>>152343052>The couldn't just toss the X-men out like they did the F4. The pull in too much moneyMoney is one thing. Feel free to make fun of that, but X-Men really really have an autistic fanbase. I still remember twitter wars, where there was a IvX challenge about which character you like better. Each single one of them (including Lockjaw), lost to X-men. Kamala was against Magik, so obviously Magik won, but even if it wasn't obvious, the audience was unanonimous
>>152343031I'll say that the problem with Krakoa wasn't in wanting to push past all the bullshit from the 2010s, it's in that the writers fell back into the same bad habits of too many pointless books, cameos for its own sake, plot contrivances up the ass, characters being dicks for no reason, and artificially extending a run popular on social media only to fall right back to "oh noes mutant extinction event now" yet fucking again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az11r3EKmbg&list=PLVuxmMCjaBtpQuDSfa8M5MuAEIWgTu1RYthis thread theme
>>152343085Aaron and GIllen weren't worse than what Fraction and Carey were doing before them. Bendis was though, sure.
>>152342487>Krakoa was great.If you were a mentally ill homotranny who needs all fiction to exist as a means for your mentally ill ass to self-insert into as a power fantasy to own whatever real people have wronged you and boogeymen you imagine are out there and have never in your life actually read an X-Men comic prior to Cuckoa and it's questionable if you actually do read them even now and don't just read whatever excerpts get posted on Xitter, Bluesky or r/xmen, maybe.
>>152342471>Ewing has always wanked characters he likesBritish comic book writers in general have a really strange obsession with blacks and gays. They all fucking do it and always make sure the black and/or LGBT is always some combination of the most prominent, coolest, rational, admired, or powerful in their books.
>>152343594>hating an ethnostateyou ever thought that you might be a tranny?
>>152343101The Inhumans are entire race of Poochies.
>>152342629Weak bait retard
>>152343654Ethnostates suck. Look at Israel.
>>152342487God, you are trying so much but only look pathetic
>>152342487The X-Men are canonically irrilevant to the rest of the Marvel universe, make a list of all major plots through all of Marvel history and almost all of the have the Avengers, Fantastic Four and cosmic side as the main characters. It doesn't matter how big and powerful the X-Men are they will always be stuck in their little irrilevant corner and only get a couple of moments of relevance
>>152344059You have recency bias, in the late 80s and 90s the X-Men kept dragging the rest of the universe into their crap like with Inferno and Onslaught which threw the Avengers and FF into an alt universe so Liefeld and Lee could reboot them.
>>152343886just like your whore life
>>152344217The only here is you retard
>>152343951OMG oh noes, THE HORROR! Go back to eddit
>>152344234I agree, it's (you)alone in the midnightWho never touched a woman breast (except your own manboobs)The knight of good comic booksWhich don't exist
>>152344256The fuck are rambling about? You ok schizo?
>>152344278I accept your concession, now go back to sucking dicks as usual. Also feel free to fuck off from this thread, that way, people might actually have fun for once, without your gay posting
>>152344317Are you having a meltdown anon? If so, why so salty?
>>152344328Why are you even replying? Are you relly that gay for attention? You literally contributed nothing to this thread, including your retarded opinionsGo jack off to some garbage capeshit, like captain america
I think that fucking schizo needs his diaper change
>>152344386He is having a melty
>>152344394>>152344403>samefagging this hard
>>152344441>co is one person
>samefag keeps on goingit's tiresome
>>152344441>>152344475Now kiss you idiots
Is the X-Men fandom the Sonic fandom of comics?
>>152345394No that's still the Sonic fandom.
>>152344191Those are the moments of relevance I'm talking about which most of the times have lasting effects only in X-Men books. Onslaught and House of M are the only moments they made real changes
>>152345394>splintered fanbase holding onto different eras>complete erosion of standards to start believing that the shittiest parts were actually good (people are getting nostalgic for Bendis era)It fits
>>152333336Mutant Israel sucked
>>152345487>(people are getting nostalgic for Bendis era)What would be the Sonic equivalent to this?
>>152345979People being nostalgic for Shadow and 06
>>152346373That doesn't sound right, I remember even around that time they were both being made fun of, with Shadow for its really odd clash of edginess and Sonic's brightly colored cast, and 06 for being unfinished garbage.
>>152334775Probably the best way I’ve seen it put
>>152345979Everything after Sonic and the Black Knight
>>152345487>(people are getting nostalgic for Bendis era)There is nothing in Bendis Era.He made a worst version of what he was doig in New Avengers...with a bunch of OC caracters that have idiot overpower powers, but not for a fight scene,
>>152339432>sluranon still slurring since 2019
>>152339432>stating the fact that x-men sales are shit is "shilling"
>>152342878i tend to agree. except for uncanny x-force, it really starts to go south when bendis is activated>>152343031krakoa wasn't a course correction at all. it was the logical conclusion of rightclops wank and magneto wank
>>152345394no, the sonic fandom still has a higher portion of autism
>>152345979there isn't one, because no one is nostalgic for bendis era
