He's right, y'know.
>>152345523yep
>>152345523he lost the argumenthe is deflecting away from the fact that he wasnt there for his own child
>>152345548Why would you go to a moving up event?
>>152345657NTA, but if your kid wants you there and would be disappointed by your absence then you should fucking go, even if its a stupid pointless nothing ceremony. If your kid actually doesn't care then missing it wouldn't matter. We never really get to hear Dash's opinion on the matter.
>>152345548Mr. Incredible doesn't lose arguments, he ends them.
>>152345677>>152345548>catering to the madness of the masses instead of instilling self respect in your child
>>152345548>he wasnt there for his own childit's an upcoming event he didn't miss anything
>>152345548Do you happen to be functionally retarded? He is not "failing to be there for his own son", the ceremony hasn't even happened yet. He just doesn't want to go for the exact reason he's giving.
>>152345523Hellen is a hypocritical nagging and emasculating bitch
>>152345768You're supposed to show up for your kid, then tell him your worldview afterwards. This prevents any resentments or misunderstandings from the start, and frees you from attending more unnecessary events later on because you communicated and your kid understands.
>>152345523>IT'S NOT ABOUT YOUHelen was right, Bob was gonna miss out on something for his son over a petty personal view. This scene is important to Bob's arc as a father.
>>152345974this only correct post in this threadwhich is why the births are so low as adult men dont know how to act like a parentso they deserve to be alone
>>152345974yeah...during like actual HS / college graduation.fourth to fifth grade? lmao fuck off. Kids need to understand that some things do not matter. People in general would be a lot better off in life if they were taught to fixate less on academics it's one of the greatest evils perpetrated upon all of western society in the past 100 years or so.It has contributed strongly to the self-destructive neurotic and infantile behavior you can very easily see every day from "institutionalized liberals". because when you spend your entire life getting positive reinforcement for thinking and doing the most middling shit ever, you start to think you actually are better / smarter person than everyone else.Robert is right. End of Story.
>>152345523Why doesn't the fact of saving lives ever come up in either film's arguments?
>>152345523He's right but so is she, he sohuld be there for his son
>152346086anybody who talks like this has nothing in their own livesevery single time
>>152346115>Why doesn't the fact of saving lives ever come up in either film's arguments?you want a cookie for doing your fucking job? even following your passions as a job still requires you to not expect gratitudeare you a fucking spoiled little bitch?
>>152346086If you have kids, they're gonna stop talking to you the instant they turn 18, and they'll be right to do so.The ceremony's stupid. That doesn't mean a dad doesn't have to show up for his kid if the kid wants him there.
>>152345537>Palpatine in front of fag flagI knew it
>>152346143Lol you idiot. Kids Stop talking to you when they turn 11 for moms and 13 for dads.
>>152346128His son can run faster than a video recorder records. He isnt "being there for" his son at a move up event. He wouldn't be "being there for" his son if he showed up to any other mundane shit either. His son is special. Mr incredible is special. They arent normal people who have normal problems or normal aspirations.Like at the end his son has to "lose" to prevent suspicions. He doesnt care he got 2nd place because the competition wasn't real. They may as well have all gone out for burgers for all dash "accomplished" that afternoon.
>>152345523He wasn't right overall, just kept moving the subject around.>Arrives home late (bad)>Helen calls him out for it (true)>He says so what (bad)>She asks about the rubble on him >He lies that it was a workout (bad)>She reminds him he shouldn't use his powers in public or they would have to move AGAIN (true)>He says the building was coming down anyway (true)>She is now surprised he knocked down a building>He says it was structurally unsound so it wasn't suspicious (Bad excuse)>She asks him if he's been doing police scanner listening again (he was)>He says he helped the public and that was not a bad thing to do (dodging the truth)>She says that him knowingly endangering their family stability AGAIN is bad especially since he isn't doing this for good but to relive the past (true)>He says reliving the past is better than acting like they didn’t happen (cope)>She says that they're not pretending the past didn't happen by focusing on the present (true)>She expresses anger that he won't go to his sons event>He says it's just an event to celebrate mediocrity (true)>She says it's not about him or what he thinks (true)>He says if she really wants to help Dash let him compete in sports (Not equivalent and deflection)>She says he already knows why they can't do that (true)>He says the reason is because he'd do great (true but spun in a false way)>She accuses him of projecting onto Dash (IDK about this one)Overall Bob just Lies and deflects most of the time in this fight.
>>152345523Not really. Children remember not key dates but total time spent. If he doesnt show up for the little things then what is great about showing up for the bitg things? Most shitty dads show up for a college graduation but aren't willing to show up if the kid is puking in the school bathroom or twisted his ankle in track.Of course he is forced in the opposite role in sequel.
Shrimp on sale?
>>152345523So hes calling his own son mid? Lmao
>>152345548>>152345523Correct. They are called milestones not minute stones.Just because a mile to a child is an irl minute doesn't mean every "child milestone" must be celebrated.
>>152346142Who shat on your bed? Also I mean more so how the fact lives are being saved is never brought up in either the government agents focusing on property damage after the Underminer escapes in the 2nd filmnor how he saved people from the burning building that crumbled in Bob and Helen's argument. Also I get a free coke at my job so don't really want or need a cookie to be honest.
>>152345548Why does every millennial shitbag always imbue their parental issues onto fictional characters?
>>152345677I remember hating these and feeling embarrassed that my parents were watching me do something stupid. I didn't go to my high school or college graduations either
>>152345523Are her boobs really that big in the movie?
>>152348018Why do retards always assume that everyone is a millennial?
>>152347902A year is a long time to a 4th grader. Especially one who can move as fast as Dash. Just because most kids complete the 4th grade doesn't mean it wasn't a lot of work for him. Every December 31st people all over the world find reason enough to celebrate simply surviving another lap around the sun, there's no reason not to give completing a school year the same treatment.
>>152345548>he is deflectingHelen was the one who changed the subject.
>>152348089Yes. "Pixar mom" is a thing for a reason.
>>152348112Because millennial is the new boomer.
>>152347902I mean where does it end?
>>152348540Life never ends. Can you be more specific with your question?
>>152348224I am wring and You are correct. Every child should be congratulated for every achievement. Even for knowing how to hold a fork long enough to move food on a plate.
>>152348540Why pretend like a once a year celebration of academic achievement is some sort of slippery slope to a world where everyone is rewarded for doing nothing?
>>152349053Passing a grade is not an academic achievement. It's quite literally the bare minimum.
>>152349079>>152348540 What is your fucking argument you goddamn retard?
>>152345548Truke
objectivism and superheroes don't mix
>>152348944>Even for knowing how to hold a fork long enough to move food on a plate.If it's their first time managing to do it, yes. 4th grade doesn't feel like "just another school year" to a 4thgrader. They learn entirely different subjects. To a 3rd grader finishing 4th grade can feel like a big challenge to overcome. It can be nice to have your dad their to say good job when you do, which is not a huge ask. Nothing Bob's saying is wrong, but he's getting too caught up in the politics of the larger adult world he's been wronged by to be present for the small challenges his son is facing, which is essentially the definition of fatherhood.
Did anyone here actually go to a school that held "ceremonies" at the end of every academic year?
>>152347461truth nuke
>>152346065births are low because more women are going to college and then making a bigger salary but then turn around and refuse to marry down the economic ladder. they decide to be hypergamous and compete for wealthy men anyway because they're never satisfied and many women seem incapable of marrying for loveeventually, as women perpetuate social hierarchies under capitalism, they'll breed themselves out. women who hate men will not start families and raise leftist children. they'll just live alone and blame men
>>152349230>If it's their first time managing to do it, yes. 4th grade doesn't feel like "just another school year" to a 4thgrader.Are you going to throw a party for that?>It can be nice to have your dad their to say good job when you do, which is not a huge ask.Do you think I disagree with that?Would you like me to congratule you on your moat recent accomplishment?
>Bob: "milestones don't matter"then why do you wanna relive your time as a superhero? what a fucking asshole. calling his own son "mediocre".when Omni Man looks like the better father you know you're trash.
>>152345523He's only right because he wants Dash to go out for sports so he can have something more significant to be worth celebrating instead of a participation trophy.
>>1523496444th grade to 5th grade isn't a milestoneelementary school to middle school maybe but moving up a grade in the same school no
>>152346445You knew he was gay?
>>152349655for a little kid it is.just like any boomer, Bob think what's good for him is good for everyone.
>>152349673>for a little kid it is.Stop generalizing, for dash it obviously isn't, he can't be bothered to give a shit during class without fucking with his teacher
>>152349620>Are you going to throw a party for that?No, but I'd show up if the school threw a collective one for all the 4th graders and my son wanted me there.
>>152349686You would show up if The School decided getting slightly closer to Algebra was important? Because they have authority over you?
>>152349677it is important for a little kid, which is why Helen cares so much that she's freaking out on Bob for wanting to miss it.
>my sonLMAO
>>152349708>for a little kidGeneralizing, its not important to DashDash and Bob already have something they could bond over in their superpowers as evidenced by how interested Bob instantly gets when he hears dash outsped a camera, they aren't allowed to at Helen's urging because some suicidal fag sued
>>152349644Bob is forced to wear a mask of mediocrity, so he's reasonably opinionated on what peoples idea of mediocre should be, and he's scared it will effect the kind of normal his son will be forced to live his life as. And he's right of course, he and Dash both deserve to be superheroes, but he's getting so caught up in them being robbed of their super identities that he's missing out on their civilian identities.
>>152349644>calling his own son "mediocre".Did you watch the fucking movie?
>>152349743>only cares about Dash when it's about his powerstelling
>>152349755Telling that you're a fag projecting his own daddy issues onto a fictional family
>>152349761sounds like it's you who's projecting.
>>152349765Excellent grasp of the schoolyard fundamentals, a perfect "I know you are but what am I!"How about you make an actual argument about the family instead of just presuming that since your lame ass cared about going from 4th to 5th grade so obviously every kid does
>>152349748>>152349743Exactly the point is Bob’s focused on his identity as a hero and what hiding their powers means for superiority/inferiority, when he needs to prioritize his responsibilities as a father and show appreciation for mundane life right now because superhero isn’t the only role he plays in his life.
>>152345768I bet you support "cultural christianity"
>>152349686Answer the question cuck
>>152349644>why do you wanna relive your time as a superherowhat the hell does that have to do with milestones he wants to use his natural abilities and do something that matters
>>152349704>Because they have authority over you?No, because doing it for all the kids at once makes it feel more special and fun for them. Makes it a community thing with everybody in his class. These kinds of things make memories, build friendships.> if The School decided getting slightly closer to Algebra was importantIt is. Math is a skill he's gonna be using for his entire life. If the things kids are learning in school weren't important we wouldn't be forcing them to learn it. Hell, 4th grade math is probably gonna be a way bigger part of his life than algebra.Celebrating their success makes kids want to succeed. To say nothing to the fact that treating the events of your life as special and worth celebrating in general just kind of make you happier across the board.
>>152345523That’s exactly what I think every time a mid Pixar movie gets nominated at the Oscars.
>>152349859You are bluring the line of the topic faggot. Importance comes from steps not from the ability to look side to side
>>152349911Not changes schools does not make completing a year of schooling not worth celebrating. In fact annually is by far the most common integer at which humans celebrate the events of their lives.
Thank you for confirming I wasted my fucking time
>>152349581the optimistic way to look at it is the women who do start families will be the ones that do like men, and that will be the next generation
>>152349968You are wrong because all woman are evil because they literally create evil men
>>152345548i personally would go if it mattered to my kid but he is correct about the principle. it is not a fucking graduation.
>>152345523most people are mediocreif you don't give them ways of feeling some sense of self worth they become weird and bitter and resentful and try to burn everything down in the hopes they'll come out on top next time.you can overdo it and have them think they're incredible rather than merely respectable, but that's life.>>152346086the flipside of this is that conservatives seethe at liberals for thinking they're smarter and wind up becoming either anti-intellectual weirdos, or accepting the value of intellectual pursuits but going down weird pathways so they don't have to compete with liberals intellectually (e.g. starting a race science substack)celebrating advancing a grade is basically just celebrating aging, not academia as such. nearly every kid except bart simpson goes up a grade. the positive reinforcement liberals tend to get is usually not from stuff like that, but celebrating above-averageness through positive feedback for above-average grades, schoolwork, behavior, etc. if you wanted to break that cycle, you'd look at much bigger school reforms than "don't celebrate mediocrity".
>>152349704Would Bob show up to all of Dash's games/meets if he got his wish of Dash playing sports? Would he even if he and/or the team are not winning or performing well? Would he refuse to attend a party after if they lost? Even if they won?Does playing or winning an elementary-level sport or finishing the season really "matter"? More than learning or testing well at elementary-level academics or finishing the year?I'm not sure Dash cares about his academics or the "graduation", but Bob doesn't care about if he does. He's too focused on what HE thinks is "great", and Helen is right that it's based on him, not Dash. It's really not that different from a "I used to be a real athlete" football dad. I can imagine him refusing to go to a school play or band concert too with that attitude.
>>152347461High IQ post
>>152348081High school graduation is the one that feels big and exciting and fun.College graduation is different, a lot of us drifted from our old high school friends and mostly communicate via text about the good old days. So by college grad it's literally just "this part is for our parents. Let's do it and then get ready to party."
>>152348112Because only Millennials act this way about fictional media.
>>152345523Goddamn that mommy breast
>>152350910>Would Bob show up to all of Dash's games/meets if he got his wish of Dash playing sports?We see him show up to Dash's track meet.
>>152348112If you call someone a nigger, and they are a nigger 90% of the time, why would you stop?
>>152350910Shit matters, but Helen just wanted to winge because she is a bitch that minges
>>152347461hi there,Helen. Go fuck yourself,you nagging and awful emasculating whore
>>152349686>>152349720HE IS NOT "OUR" SON.
>>152350998You can literally see crime statistics and videos everywhere of them. Prove it about millennials.
>>152346142>you want a cookie for doing your fucking job?Yes. From my employer, my performance is judged and I get an EOY 10% bonus. From my wife, she appreciates that I'm sacrificing time and energy to pay off a mortgage and have a family home for our kids. My daughter doesn't get it at all, but she's 2. She likes to play ice-cream shop but has no concept of money, she rewards me with the same, "have you finished work?!" And big grin and running hug when I'm done for the day. Metaphor or not, yeah, you should hear praise for doing good work. My wife made a great dinner and my daughter made her first coherent pun. I complimented both. >>152346086>People in general would be a lot better off in life if they were taught to fixate less on academicsPicking this line to summarise your post. Agreed, a portfolio / some proof you're competent and invested is of way more value than a degree on its own, and in some contexts, worth more. A lot of people are set up for failure, having taken on the lesson that if they just do exactly what they're told, they'll live a good life. They're also learning to be risk and challenge averse.>>152346464You should see how my half brother and sister are with my dad. It's heartwarming, they both still dogpile and hug him like retarded kids. He lost custody of me when I was 3, we only recently reconnected, but I've known a couple other families with the sweetest parent child relations that shaped my own ideal.>>152347461Good breakdown. Honesty and not being a coward, expressing your actual wants is important to your own mental health and the relationship. He's not honest with himself. >>152347736Personally it doesn't feel like I remember total time spent, I remember the biggest moments my mother wasn't in my corner when I was in a bad spot. The takeaway from that for me is to not always be reasonable and rational, instead remember to make sure my kids know I'm there for them first and foremost, not some impartial mediator/sceptic.
>>152349647Superheroics were outlawed but for kids with no priors, there's no reason they had to be kept secret beyond risk to their parents. Bob has a point somewhere in there, but he never actually comes up with a viable path forward. Yeah, let him run track and destroy the competition. Alienation is a risk, but being open about it also opens doors to network with the like-minded. >>152349859>Makes it a community thing with everybody in his class.That's the real point, yeah. Annually celebrated cultural days with your community are great. We could dissect why Easter is gay and ruin that for kids too if we wanted. Which is to say: I understand why as an adult I don't want as much as an email 'celebrating' when I've been at the company for 6 years, but I go in and chill with the team when we close out a 2 year project because that's bonding, it's some closure to the year. Those kids are going on break, some won't see each other for a decent while and they just got through another year of public school. Which may not be hard in the same way being in prison probably doesn't require a lot of planning of your day, but it is a constant grind with little to show for it. Let the kids mark time and feel accomplished, it drags much slower for them then for us.
