>>152391763
I'm annoyed you posted some nobody's video but I'll chime in
The online community for comics now is.....weird
It's one born near independently from the old one out of mostly COVID, mass piracy, and ESLs
It's jarring because as annoying places like comic twitter can be, /co/ unironically shares 90% of the same opinions as them

>>152391829
I can agree with what you said it feels more splintered off now like comic community use to feel like just a few sections but now it's all over the place, like really back then the only split was the collectors vs the readers and about it like you could still talk about Ghost World in the same vain as like the newest Batman run in the same space also now even the collector section has like multiple sections.

>>152391829
/co/ is full of people who troll in both places. People used to say shit like "/co/ is the only place to get real opinions, because here you have honest opinions" and it's not true. People go for quick (you)s or get filled with arguing against a schizo because they aren't getting banned. The best place to talk about comics is still in a comic shop or some kind of club room, or with friends if you have a big friend group into it.
There are good indies that come out and get ignored by anons who will post about how comics suck now in their sulking thread. People don't even laugh at the shit ones anymore, /co/ is really quiet compared to 5 years ago.
>>152391896
It's the opposite: social media took everything and pushed it all together. There used to be tons of comic forums you could find and post in. There were always splits between fanbases, but now you see the ones who crawled into their little hole more since they're forced to share the site with you. People would think female comic readers didn't exist until they find some Nightwing fan forum or some magazine with articles by a young Gail Simone.

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>>152391763
>like are you actually fan of the comic medium or do you just like DC/Marvel?
I mean to be fair, capeshitters only read capeshit was a thing for ages even before the modern community manifested

>>152391960
>/co/ is really quiet compared to 5 years ago.
See the weird thing is that the longer /co/ has decayed, other communities like comic twitter or LOCG has grown
Are they perfect?
Fuck no (they're arguably more tribalistic than people were before them) but they talk, speculate, and go over comics more actively than /co/.

>>152391998
Does LOCG have one? I thought it was just reviews and lists of the shit you bought, never looked too hard into the site.

>>152392016
It has a community
On one hand, they encourage stuff like 12 for 12 to get people out of their comfort zones and the database has been getting better at a rapid pace
On the other hand....it has the same problems as comic twitter (mostly because a growing number of their new users are from twitter)

>>152391974
I feel like capeshit fans that read other comics were lot more common back then though because they follow artists and writers they liked but people don't do that as much now.

>>152392063
>but people don't do that as much now.
It still happens
Just look at Assorted Crisis Events and SIKTC

>>152391998
Not that weird. People get sick of 4chan and leave, or end up not having the free time to spend here. Everyone joked about being stuck here forever, but there have been mass exoduses away from the site ever since moot left, not even going into the lose of anons after the hacks.
They didn't go to twitter, they just left. Twitter is forever added onto by a growing wave of younger comic readers getting into the medium. There's still some fanartists who stayed on tumblr and post their ships there, but it's an island around the size of /co/. You'll see comic discourse get better when you find a place that can have regular discourse at any genuine level of quality.

Comics are in a weird space where they exist and people read them but no one discusses anything, I thought about that with old school like webcomics not webtoons how they go on for years and years but no one cares or says anything on them or like books like Gold Digger existed forever and influenced so much but is never talked about outside of a ''hey this thing''. It's like how there's that series Femforce which has a small group of boomer fans that keep it alive and love the lore but that's it yet it has 200 issues. Lot of this stuff is just in a strange limbo space.

>>152392063
Some people slowed down since all the introspective and dark shit that gets put out gets especially tiring when life sucks in the real world. That's why the 90s was filled with fucking apocalypse themes and other dark stuff.
There's been a lack of good comedies though. Asked a friend and the last thing close to a comedy he read was the 2010s Jughead run by Zdarsky.

>>152392080
You know how over a decade ago you had all these recap videos basically regurgitating entire plots on YouTube?
I think a decade+ of those and plus the rise of sites like RCO were what led to the current crop of zoomer fans
I remember being on a Marvel Rivals thread on /v/ and when someone made a joke over the Terrigan Mist killing muties and Anons brought up how that was such a wild time, I slowly realized there's a large possibility those Anons were teenagers who were too young to even remember what it was like when it happened.

>>152392093
This reminds me of that one line from the Savage Dragon guy, about how reviews come up for big achievements like #500 or #550, but not for any other issue inbetween. People are scared to have any opinion because they'll be knocked down by people who disagree.

>>152392166
Some people get their start from those, anon. There has always been some form of summarizing like that, but back then it'd be listening to some big reviewer shit on something or hearing your friends and getting stuff through osmosis. I knew tons of people too that only read the 3-5 books that were for their series. Only spidey or only spawn or only batman.
It could also be that they were cartoon-only until a certain point or vice versa, they left. I dropped comics after the New 52 and came back relatively recently so I can talk about Devin Grayson or Chuck Dixon, but fuck me if you asked me about Scott Snyder. You can't blame zoomers for everything, especially when some like the Rivals crowd are actually buying comics, unlike the MCU-only. What matters is if those videos get them to go reading comics

>>152391763
I've been reading comics and manga for about 20 years. Manga just does so many things right.

>>152392292
I'm not complaining
Just an observation
It's not just that mass piracy created new fans, it's that years of scanning, archiving, etc has made older comics more accessible than ever
You have Iron Man fans who have read pre-MCU Iron Man who can genuinely argue for his rogues gallery not being crap and recommend runs faster than the average Anon here
You have early 20 something year old Superman fans who have read the entirety of pre-crisis who can rant about how much they hate John Byrne

>>152391763
Long time manga fan here. I've been reading manga for decades and I just started with super hero comics a few days ago and it blew me away.

>>152392513
What are you reading? I know a student in my history class is reading One Piece and Wolfman Teen Titans, and was asking about the Long Halloween poster we had up

>>152392338
Manga went downhill as much as comics, the main difference is it just not political.

>>152392717
So what is the problem over that side?

>>152392399
>You have Iron Man fans who have read pre-MCU Iron Man who can genuinely argue for his rogues gallery not being crap and recommend runs faster than the average Anon here
>You have early 20 something year old Superman fans who have read the entirety of pre-crisis who can rant about how much they hate John Byrne

I noticed this and it feels like a mixed blessing
Cause like on one hand those Superman fans are hating on the triangle era too much
But on the other hand I am actually impressed that 20-something year old fans are reading comics made decades before they were born instead of relying on their knowledge of Superman coming from only reading stuff from the Superdickery site, which is what it felt like on here for a few years

>>152392093
>Lot of this stuff is just in a strange limbo space.
I think this now extends to pretty much everything. Pop culture, or what’s left of it, has been scattered to the four winds.

>>152392717
The only big negative is that many artists went digital.

>>152392563
I think he's pulling your leg.

>>152392093
a lot of the discussion is still in comic shops and not online. Especially with people over 40, they have less deire to discuss this stuff online.

>>152392724
The storytelling isn't as good, lot of it is more tropey and typical also aimed at otaku.

>>152392717
You're only saying this because manga is doing great while comics isn't and you picked a side (comics).

>>152394168
I'm not picking any side, I love all comics I don't care what country they're from or what numbers they do, lot of manga is just generic now.

>>152391829
Everyone wants an online community but no one wants to build and moderate a website for it in the post-corpo scam that is today’s internet, so we’re collectively all on the same few ad-driven platforms.

>>152391763
I am a fan of the medium but I like superheroes too. I think comics are only suited for high conceot things anyway, I dont want to read sequential art of a low stakes realistic drama lol I want to see crazy shit. And the writing and creativity is genuenly way lower in the main continuity right now theres juust nothing to talk about. Shit like civil war at least gave us something to talk about for how crazy it was. But everything now, like civil war 2 for instance, is so fucking lame and tired feeling like the writers themselves dont give a fuck. Like look at the current doom event... its just Secret Wars again. And you can shit on Hickman all you want but his Infinity+Secret Wars was exciting and again it just gave us shit to talk about it was interesting enough for that. But nothing meeting that standard comes up anymore. Blowshimselfupdude for example was passionate because the stories were still somewhat interesting, he wouldnt have anything to say about new stuff if he was still around.

>>152392724
>So what is the problem over that side?
Smartphones replaced manga magazines as the commuters choice of distraction. They rely more on anime and advertisement more than ever because families aren't defacto buying magazines to share in the household (and low birthrates). So manga is more otaku focused or otherwise just content to find any niche. Its a similar problem with what happened to TV, where back in the day everyone watched the 3 or 4 channels, then there were 100s of them that fragmented audiences and now streaming just pump and dumps things. Creatively the xerox effect is worse than ever with few mangaka having interests and influences outside of manga and it shows. (the same is true for comics)

>>152392123
"Fun" comics make you feel far more miserable, because they tend to be shittier.

>>152395700
I wonder if it's partially fatigue. I left for 5 years and have other hobbies, and I always found at least 1 floppy to pick up every month. I'm at 8 right now

>>152392093
>Comics are in a weird space where they exist and people read them but no one discusses anything,

I would argue this was true during 2019 to early 2023 but feels a little different during late 2023-2025. Like I hear more people outside of here talking about comics from 2023 onwards by comparison.

>>152395915
And what are they saying and where? You going on Reddit and seeing more threads of people dissatisfied with comics, Twitter, or are you IRL seeing more people talk about it?

>>152396058
Twitter, other social media, and IRL (not just going by my area but also talking to some friends in other states about what's going on in their area). I also sometimes read up articles on ICV2 or wherever to see what's also going on.

Absolute is the one that people talk about the most

>>152391763
Same

>>152395870
No, I'm just a snob. I want comics to be as good as possible. Basically optimized dumb entertainment. If they can't rise to that, they're garbage.

>>152397172
You saw the same video?

>>152391763
Wowzers.

>>152394646
>And you can shit on Hickman all you want
Yup. Legit the biggest hack of the past 20 years.

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>>152391763
>praising manga... ...because it’s new
uh

>>152392717
>the main difference is it just not political.

It’s not political in western comics either.

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>>152394462
What does "lot of manga" even mean, my dude? How many manga published in January 2026 have you actually read? Why do we always have to have this conversation on /co/? It's mostly the same pinheads on this board anyway so at this point you're just pretending like you don't understand just how massive the manga industry is. Even the ones you call generic are still way more interesting that all this generic cookie cutter capeshit you still read, just because you think whining online because Spider-man isn't dating the character you want is deep discussion doesn't mean it is. You clearly care which country they come from and you hate that one country is far better than all the others.

>>152391763
I miss all old online communities. Back when the internet was a wilder and decentralized place populated by geeks and outcasts with knowledge that was hard to find. Finding something interesting felt like finding treasure. Online friendships felt like genuine connections. The slower nature of communication made people pay more attention to your words and made you think before responding.

>>152392093
>Comics are in a weird space where they exist and people read them but no one discusses anything,
Yeah I finished reading some of the newer Spawn comics a bit ago and was curious what people thought of it online and.. they didn't? There was no discussion I could find online. The most I could find was sites promoting individual issues and giving broad synopsis of the overall story. It was shockingly difficult to convince myself other people were actually reading the comic.

>>152398098
It's mostly because these comics are uninteresting and there's nothing to say about them, the people that read them do it out of habit and a sense of having to complete what they started.

>>152398098
My take is that even nerds have become consoomers. I noticed it a few years ago with how people were amazed by my cosplays at cons but they wouldn't make their own. Con goers used to dress up no matter how badly to show their passion. Now most of them wear merchandise and will ask to buy stuff from you than to learn from you how to build it.
Comic readers will buy a comic, read it, and not discuss it because the point is to consoom. Not have thoughts and bond over a common interest.

>>152398113
Comics aren’t uninteresting. It’s the people reading comics that are the problem. After a decade of endless whining and nonsensical pet grievance driven discourse I’m not going to bother trying to talk to people about a new comic. It’s a waste of time trying to engage with people here and expect genuine discussion.

>>152398155
Bro you're still reading a comic book that started almost 35 years ago. But at least you're somewhat self conscious, you said you're not going to try and talk about a new comic, you'll keep trying to talk about the same old ones even though there's nothing to talk about because the writing is below mediocre.

>>152398113
It wasn't an amazing run or anything but I thought there was enough meat where I was curious what people thought of the characters, art and what direction the story is going In. And someone has to be buying them if it's doing well enough for Image to print like 4 companion books at a given time.
But the silence makes it feel like those numbers must be propped up by people picking up books from their LCS out of habit.

>>152398091
Forcing most every community into the same site or two creating giga monoliths of people whose discussions can be hijacked by assholes who don't actually care about the topic has done a lot of damage. People think gatekeeping is the solution, but it's not that. It's that there are no niches when its all out in the open. Talking on twitter is like talking out in an open park. Go back to making forums where people lurk first and then see if it's for them. Bring back netiquette. You can still have a more general space for comic talk but if ever they want more detailed talk, there would be spaces for that.
That recreates the microcosm you had in comic book stores, letting people be free to be themselves instead of being afraid some twitter rando is gonna dox him to his local church

>>152393614
this. or mostly with family, coworkers, and friends, who might originally have met at the comic shop.

I'm a total newfag who only ever really seriously watched 90s and 00s cartoons, read watchmen in 2005 and finally at middle age decided to check out comics at random. But since I'm old I adhere by the 'lurk more faggot' thing and never say much about them myself. It feels like I missed out. I wonder what going to a comic store every week would be like. O assume they still exist but there's nothing like that around me now.. I miss renting movies IRL too. It feels like there's nowhere good to talk about anything I like period though. All the small 4chan boards I went to are barely usable now like /m/. Its crazy to me how the MCU got so big but comics didnt.

>>152391998
I'm so autistic and have been on 4chan so long I dont think I even know how ny other website like Twitter works anymore. My Twitter account is 13 years old and I follow thousands of people who only post anime fanart and merch and dont speak english. Everytime I try to look up something I like I see a stupid opinion and go back to the moon runes.

I tried reddit too but every subreddit right now is just some character beating up an ICE guy. The action figure boards all got ruined by people with disgusting fingers and fingernails holding up their toys.

I joined Instagram and got tired of trans people following me and indian scammers. I tried Discord but got tired of trans people. No offense but they/you are hideous.

I tried Facebook and someone called me a pedophile because I watched an anime where an adult robot got pregnant as a joke.

>>152398552
>Go back to making forums where people lurk first and then see if it's for them.

I hate how all the forums got replaced by Discords. I just hate the mix of chatroom/forum and the invitation bullshit. There's a lot of drama. Maybe ezboard had drama too but I dont remember it.

>>152398098
>The most I could find was sites promoting individual issues and giving broad synopsis of the overall story. It was shockingly difficult to convince myself other people were actually reading the comic.


I think zoomers and below are actually so retarded they think synopsises are real discussions. You don't know how many hours worth of youtube essays are literally just plor synopsises by people mislabeling them as essays. And people in the comments just clapping and saying shit like 'I was going to hang myself today but you uploaded a video thank you :DDD' And I try looking up anime (I know not cartoons but still) rewatched on reddit and 99% of the comments are retards giving a play by play in bullet points or long paragraphs that are literally just saying what happened in the episodes. I legitimately think people are that retarded now. It's too common.

>>152398738
MCU never even pretended to give a shit about the comics. Rivals at least had collectibles that remind people of them and actually promote the tie-in comics. Try to see if there are any comic clubs around you, there almost always are even in Europe. 4chan's comfy boards got ransacked and nearly ruined when more of the sane people left and the only ones who stuck around for sure were the schizos who couldn't live without it. /m/ and /toy/ are nothing like they were 10 years ago and it makes me sad, but you should try looking for a club or store again. You deserve the chance to be with likeminded people and shoot the shit about hobbies

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>>152392717
>Manga went downhill as much as comics

>>152398810
It had drama too, but discords are an emergency option if you can't find anything else. You just gotta find ones that are full of oldheads and not deviants, but I prefer forums by a longshot. Chatrooms like that I leave for things like MMOs or anything that has some co-op aspect, not really for comics.

>>152398091
I miss when 4chan didnt have generals. I think they ruined the site but I can't really articulate very well but image boards weren't really meant for that. You get people who constantly bump stuff that has nothing to say just ritual posting and schizos start infesting them.

>>152398832
That's the internet and it's been like that since the geocities days. It's just easier to find now. I remember people doing the same shit with Tenchi Muyo before going back to Best Girl arguments
>>152398883
Generals are annoying but I think we all know what really ruined 4chan. At this point I'm waiting to see what the next big place is, or if 4chan will heal eventually

>>152398832
>You don't know how many hours worth of youtube essays are literally just plor synopsises by people mislabeling them as essays
My god, fuck those people. They aren't dumb, they are lazy. And the result is that they contribute to making useful information harder to find with their spam.

>>152398956
>Generals are annoying but I think we all know what really ruined

I know but can you tell me so I can feel catharsis please.

>>152394583
This

>>152398738
You still find it at a convention if you can get to one. Dinky little hotel cons are great actually, cheap, if there’s not much to do people are inclined to chill and shoot the shit while browsing comics or camp out in a game room, Plus it’s all locals who might stay in touch.

>>152399015
I'm sorry, dear anon. It's like Candlejack, if you say their name they will co

>>152394583
Nailed it

>>152391829
Fandom in general has become little more than a corporate friendly den of sycophants who let themselves be brainwashed into thinking any negativity towards the brand is being "toxic." There's no allowance of dissent because disagreeing with the community is being a gatekeeper or a troll or whatever else. Fandoms have basically devolved into echo chambers of the lonely. Fandom used to exist because people shared a hobby now the hobby exists secondary. It's not about a shared interest it's about finding fake friends.

>>152399266
It's an imbalance since there's always been issues with either extreme since the 90s, just look up videogame forums and the various flame wars. People complain about it being too positive then make groups that read things out of spite which has people leave, then make groups that don't leave room for criticism, which then-
You can see the pattern. You need room for other opinions; you can disagree but the second you have people telling each other to fuck off for disagreeing, it's over. Both extremes suck ass.
/co/ is the worst of both since the people saying shit the loudest don't believe in anything, they don't even read the book: they say what gets them the most anger and (you)s. If social media is too corporatized and 4chan is too unserious to have any kind of discussion, all you're left with is talking about comics with your mates or people at the store

>>152398738
>Its crazy to me how the MCU got so big but comics didnt.
Because it was all fake hype and shills.

>>152398243
Oh no something is old? Better never watch another Shakespeare adaptation! Boycott James Bond movies! Never read another Tezuka manga!

>>152399266
Opposed to fandoms that seem to exist solely to hating everything new? And demanding things one second and then complaining they didn’t want that actually, because fuck you, you raped my childhood !!!!!!!!

>>152399347
The problem though is people are starting to agree just to agree so they get let into the fandom. People read the posts and take those as gospel. A lot of people now won't even look at something if it hasn't been vetted by their peers. You see more posts about SHOULD I READ X, TELL ME WHICH TO READ. And stuff like that.

>>152399535
>Shakespeare adaptation! Boycott James Bond movies! Never read another Tezuka manga
Well, yes?
No Shakespeare adaptation has truly been great. Just read his works.
James Bond is just slop.
Tezuka manga is old and done, it's not still going for 35 tears. And Tezuka was mediocre anyway.
I bet you thought you had a great point there, but for something to keep going and be good for 35 years, it would need a truly remarkable writer, but Spawn was never well written. Some of you are proud to be telenovela fans in the closet, but normal people don't like that shit.

>>152399568
You're creating a scenario that doesn't actually exist, most people who shit on the new additions to old properties explicitly DON'T want new things, they would rather these old properties be allowed to rest instead of being milked forever because some nepobaby can't get their Harry Potter wannabe off the ground without grafting it on to some existing franchise because they're an untalented hack.

>>152399609
>No Shakespeare adaptation has truly been great.

Aaaaaaaaaaand opinion proven to be invalid.

>>152399625
Oh please. You have people jizzing in their pants over the mere adaptation news and then raging for a year because something was slightly changed or because they saw a production photo and it doesn’t fit their head canon idea. Or look at any comic fandom here: nothing but endless seethe over how the latest run is the worst thing ever. Only for the next run be the worst thing ever. Only for the next run actually being the worse worst thing ever because most bombastic hyperbole is the only way you apparently can convey any opinion about not liking something

>>152398084
Blindly praising like anon said, you prove his point also comics are just as massive but manga we only get a small selection translated by fans and companies and lot of it is mass appeal junk, anime and manga peaked in the 90's, you don't get people like Otomo or any of that anymore, lot of it just slop shit, you can't tell me most this stuff is good.
https://anilist.co/search/manga?year=2026

>>152399666
>You have people jizzing in their pants over the mere adaptation news
That rarely happens anymore outside of /a/-related stuff, and even that is rare.
Most of the time the general feel among fans and enthusiasts when an adaptation is announced is usually somewhere between absolute dread and cautious optimism, usually leaning towards the former.

>>152399678
We over corrected now and you can't be critical of anime/manga anymore because it's the popular mainstream thing also all the people who were bullied over it have to fight back because it use to be comics were the mainstream thing and they laughed at manga folks now it's the other way around also the old nerds where really harsh on media which we realized and now we're overly soft but yeah outside of a few indie titles just like the US, most new manga sucks ass.

>>152399722
Of course you can feel free to make fun of anything that gives people the ICK

>>152399728
It depends but people are overly defensive about anime and manga now and it's really annoying because you can't discuss anything normally now, it's like how if you think fanservice might not fit a title they'll complain at you saying you're a prude and want things censored when not the case it just might not fit the fucking show and work better for something else or if you complain about overused tropes they'll be like oh you just hate anime then which also not true you just want to see other shit. I hate discussing anime online compared to the older days it wasn't as bad yeah people were harder on shows but at least they had standards.

>>152399795
>might not fit the fucking show
Look man, it's not your story, if you don't like it then go watch something that doesn't have fanservice in it.
It's like watching Heated Rivalry and complaining about how gay it is because you personally would prefer if it was a normal sports story without also being a gay romance.
If you "want to see other shit" then go watch that other shit.

>>152399837
I do go watch other shit but maybe I like to see that show with a good concept actually do it better than what it's doing and discuss that, you know? It's like how there's lot of NTR in recent anime I can be critical about it even if I don't watch those shows because maybe I don't want KEKING in my normal ass non-niche anime titles.

>>152399637
After you revealed yourself to be a slopster? Settle down, piggy.

>>152399872
>It's like how there's lot of NTR in recent anime
Lolwhat?
Now you're just making shit up, this is another problem with your type, you will literally come online and make shit up and get mad at people for calling out your made up bullshit.

>>152399872
>It's like how there's lot of NTR in recent anime
Name 12

>>152399795
If it's there it fits the story. There's no reason to complain about it at all unless you want to be a pud.

>>152399872
You have brain rot

>>152399889
There's that anime Mushoku Tensei is full of NTR and it's a popular mainstream title. I'm not making up shit.

>>152399905
>If it's there it fits the story.
Yeah nothing says serious anime talking about the death of a character while they do a shot of a woman tits.

>>152399678
>we only get a small selection translated by fans and companies
Yes, there is a lot of manga that /co/ can't even read, yet you still get insecure losers trying to impart their opinion on something they barely sampled. Just look at you bringing up Otomo as if he used to e prolific back in the day and hasn't actually expanded into directing and the like. You can be angry that manga is still good and comics aren't but be ready to be ridiculed when you rage about it in public.

>>152399915
The only NTR in Mushoku Tensei is Cliff who's in love with an elf who's literally cursed to need constant sex or else she'll fucking die. If that's your 1 example then I can tell you genuinely don't know shit and are just pulling shit out of your ass.
Again, your dumbfuck bullshit relies on people knowing nothing about the industry you're talking about, you're pulling shit out of your ass and hoping we'll all be as uninformed as you are to fall for it.

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>>152398076
Theres still a lot of autistic boomers who haven't wrapped their heads around these new tangled Asian drawings.

>>152399936
Manga and comics still have good titles but they both aren't as good as they use to be, old good new bad simple as.

>>152399722
>all the people who were bullied over it have to fight back because it use to be comics were the mainstream thing and they laughed at manga folks
This has never been the case. It was all nerdy shit and if someone mocked someone for enjoying manga then they also mocked people for enjoying comics. You sound insecure as fuck.

>>152399940
That's really stupid, we use to have fantasy anime like The Slayers but now this type of shit, what happened?

>>152399930
If you don't like it then just go watch something else.
Game of Thrones has long lingering shots on floppy dicks all the time, doesn't stop people from taking it seriously when it's being serious.
This sounds like a personal hangup on your end.

>>152399965
There's always been more bad than good in any medium ever. It's just that comics used to be 80% crap and now it's 99% and manga has always been about 50/50.

>>152399975
I can tell you've never actually watched Slayers, let alone read the LNs.
Why are so many posers like you on /co/ these days?

>>152399987
I've seen all 3 seasons and the movies, yet seen the digital seasons or the OVAs and no I haven't read the light novels, Next is my favorite season.

>>152399998
>and no I haven't read the light novels
Opinion completely discarded.

>>152400009
>Opinion completely discarded
Retard, even if I haven't read the novels, I still know Slayers is a better fantasy than that show.

>>152400028
You're a poser, I don't care about your opinion.

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>Anon you can't criticize anime/manga anymore
>Everyone proves his point
You don't have to agree with him but he's got a point.

>>152400041
Only a poser would call people posers lmfao.

>>152391960
>"/co/ is the only place to get real opinions, because here you have honest opinions"

This was always a lie, a way for anons to brag about how much better /co/ is from other cartoon and comic sphere
/co/ is full of schizos, autists, people who complain about the industry not making what they want but at the same time not knowing what they want and then ignoring material that would right up their alley. Getting an opinion from here is a waste of time

>>152400046
You can criticize it, but if your criticism is "it showed boobs and that made me uncomfortable" then people aren't going to take you seriously, they're just going to assume that you're a homosexual or autistic.
Or worse, if your criticism is a straight up lie, like saying modern anime is full of NTR, which is just the weirdest thing I've seen someone try to say, especially compared to older anime, which had WAAAAAY more infidelity and sex, since adult seinen anime and OVAs were a lot more common back then and people in general were just having more sex.

>>152400046
You should criticize things you know shit about. I don't go around talking shit about BMW because I really don't know jackshit about cars.

>>152399941
>muh sexism and misogyny
what an absolute faggot

>>152398832
>I think zoomers and below are actually so retarded they think synopsises are real discussions.
This explains a LOT of review essays.

>>152400083
>like saying modern anime is full of NTR, which is just the weirdest thing
It's especially funny to see this said on /co/ where capeshit characters keep hooking up with each other.

>>152400062
It was true at one point, mostly pre-2008 when /co/ was still mostly comics discussion.
Towards the tail-end of Avatar, /co/ became a cartoon-focused board, and thus the average IQ has continued to decline over the years, as most people who watch cartoons are somehow even dumber than the average comic reader, not to mention much much younger, so now /co/ is more of a zoomer board full of 16-23 year olds talking about shitty web cartoons than a millennial board full of 30-40 year olds talking about comics.

>>152400083
>it showed boobs and that made me uncomfortable
I didn't say that but maybe I don't need to think to see goofy fanservice in a show about serious issues like I like GIT SAC but I won't lie and say the fanservice feels really stupid and doesn't match the tone and the way the movie handles nudity is better not being sexualized and yeah I was being over the top about NTR thing and sex was in older anime OVAs but it was usually played more straight and less childish like the work of Yoshiaki Kawajiri like in Ninja Scroll rape is seen as something bad not as like a fetish thing like Goblin Slayer or whatever.

>>152400142
>but maybe I don't need to think to see goofy fanservice in a show about serious issues
That's not a criticism, that's your own personal hangup.
>and doesn't match the tone
It exactly matches the tone, especially if we're talking about ACTUAL GitS, y'know, the fucking manga made by a dude who's spent the last 30 years drawing women getting their assholes blown out by giant dicks.
>but it was usually played more straight and less childish
You've never watched any of those old OVAs, Golden Boy's sex shit definitely was not "less childish" or played straight. Neither was most of Devilman's or over-the-top shit like Legend of the Overfiend or even Call Me Tonight. In fact, a lot of those erotic horror OVAs were EXTREMELY over-the-top and fetishy when it came to their sex stuff, because they weren't meant to be some artsy representation of sex, they were meant to be titillating or make you feel squeamish when the girl sexually bullying the nerdy guy who gets possessed by a demon gets her pussy ripped in half, and most of them accomplished that goal.
People don't take your criticisms seriously when you make it so obvious that you don't know shit about what you're criticizing.

>>152400212
The manga and anime have two different tones not the same thing also same things those are different tones, this has nothing to do with me being a prude, lot of anime/manga have fanservice that doesn't don't git the tone and I have watched lot of OVAs the more serious ones you're bringing up comedies and over the top shit.

>>152400247
>The manga and anime have two different tones
GitS SAC and 2nd Gig are actually a lot closer to the tone of the manga, which is why Kusanagi does shit like proposition a shota for sex in SAC and why it has weird shit like the spiderbots with weird childlike AI that may or may not be actual computerized children.
>I have watched lot of OVAs the more serious ones you're bringing up comedies and over the top shit.
The only comedy I brought up is Golden Boy, again, you have not watched shit if you're pointing to fucking OVAs as examples of "less fetishized" rape and sex, like are you fucking serious?
Who the fuck do you think you're fooling?

>>152391763
>besides just blindly praising manga like all newfags do because it’s new and different.
Are you 50 years old or something?

>>152400283
Devilman is a chilidish anime that's just edgy slop.

>>152399930
I think you're under the misunderstanding about what the phrase "taking seriously" means. Taking something seriously doesn't mean grim stone faced realism. You can be both sincere and sexy. It's not a one or the other. It's an issue of self awareness.

>>152400305
Not yet but I'm old and bitter because the type anime and manga I like isn't really made anymore but I don't like the new stuff, you keep enjoying it if you like it, I guess.

>>152400308
And it takes itself almost entirely seriously, it's not a comedy like Golden Boy is (referring to the OVA in particular, the manga is a different beast entirely and becomes batshit crazy telenovela fetish material basically right after the end of the OVA).

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>>152399572
That's more an issue of people shitting on things so hard ("don't read this trash!") combined with how long series get, that people don't want to end up reading the "wrong" thing or having the "wrong" opinion. People had these convos about where to start since post-crisis and all these big shake-ups continue that. It's new people going "This looks cool, am I missing out on not reading stuff before it?" You have to remember what the comic space was before this. People put the blame on newbies but there's always been hate on people that don't know and get into the conversation not knowing about the connective tissue between one hero and the last run (when it happens to matter). It's why you see a fuckton of people jumping into Absolute: it's got no baggage.
Again, it's not about people being too nice or too mean. It's people feeling like they can't have any opinion that isn't the majority one without someone sperging out on them. Of course some are gonna give up and follow whatever their current community goes with. You see that let up whenever someone brings up "guilty pleasures".

>>152391763
>thread about the old comics community devolves into mangatards arguing about NTR and fanservice
Like poetry

>>152400329
Sucks to be you, lil guy.

>>152400415
At least I got tons of old stuff to check out still.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3MtqWz4XuE

>>152400382
OP shouldn't have made the first sentence whining about manga

>>152398832
>people in the comments just clapping and saying shit like 'I was going to hang myself today but you uploaded a video thank you :DDD'
I can't express how much this shit infuriates me.

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>>152400382
We're all them.

I feel like a good amount of people grew up with both. My girlfriend got me reading The Rose of Versailles and I got her reading Perez Wonder Woman. Me and her grew old going to movies together and bounce back and forth between the two.

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>>152400379
There's a difference between some confusion and a complete unwillingness to try. Nobody is saying "I tried this but am confused about X" or "I was reading Y but didn't like it Z better." It's not like this shit wasn't bloated years ago. Ask most any comic reader where they started and a lot of them will say in the middle of some hundreds of a series. But now people are terrified of any information they don't know even when it's not germane to the current story. Some of the best advice I've seen on how to start comics is "Never mind the minutia, focus on the current story." It's like everyone used to tacitly get this. Knowing that there is a history is more important than the history itself.

>>152400382
Honestly, OP's behavior highlights part of why I don't engage with fandom much these days either, so much of it is just people who don't know what they're talking abut just making shit up.
Who the fuck wants to deal with that shit constantly outside of masochists and the autistic?
I might as well be having a conversation with a fucking AI bot at that point, they both hallucinate random made-up bullshit just as much.

>>152400477
I'm not the guy complaining about fanservice, I just don't care for new anime and manga, I've barely replied here.

>>152400382
It’s to be expected

>>152398084
I feel like I see this shit every week now. Like the Jim Lee thread where some retard was going "urm manga is just as political name one apolitical manga".

>>152400477
>Honestly, OP's behavior highlights part of why I don't engage with fandom much these days either, so much of it is just people who don't know what they're talking abut just making shit up.

it is starting to get tiring. it's all just so constant too. This isn't like the early internet days were you weren't constantly online and would maybe post on a board a couple of times before going back to the do the thing you were there to discuss doing in the first place.

>>152400470
>It's like everyone used to tacitly get this.
They didn't. Comics not being able to attract new readers has been a thing for 25 years at the very least. Now I see you shocked when the small fanbase got smaller because in these 25 years some of the fans died of old age and there simply weren't enough new readers to replace them.

>>152400489
That's a you problem. There's manga for everyone if they care to look.

>>152400591
Yeah but everything I find I like is two decades old kek, I'm a retrofag and I'll admit that but I do think the quality has lower.

>>152400470
I think a lot of these new people got browbeaten back in the late 00s or so by some nerds who were actually gatekeeping, to try to have some worthless one-up on everyone. It's even worse now since social media incentivizes people to shit on each other, so you have people trying to be "controversial" (read: has no real opinion and just ragebaits) for monetary gain.
I agree, the thing I heard when I asked that in a comic store was "Do you know how magical it is, to have something catch your eye enough to want to get into a new hobby? Don't do the homework, just jump in. You can ask about the rest after you have a foot in the door, kid." The best way to change it is simply to tap the sign that goes "There's no bad place to start". As somebody that volunteers sometimes, that's the way people here have beat out the strangehold social media has: let people realize they're allowed to dislike or like whatever they want. Don't be afraid of taking it off your pull list, or adding in some Jeff the Shark comic. Just do it!

>>152400608
Sounds like a personal bias.

>>152400645
>so you have people trying to be "controversial" (read: has no real opinion and just ragebaits) for monetary gain.
A pox on Elon's entire bloodline for fucking offering payouts for engagement on twatter, that site was already shit, but now it's a million times worse because it now monetarily incentivizes annoying worthless cunts and third worlders posting the dumbest shit possible for engagement, then going OUTSIDE of twatter to post their worthless shit to maybe get retards from other platforms to engage with their stupid bullshit.
Fucking absolute god damn cancer on the entire internet.

>>152400678
Anon, /co/ is love predates Reddit's relevance, that place didn't become more than a blip on the internet's radar until ~2009.

>>152400667
Maybe, maybe not lot of oldfags don't like new anime/manga.

>>152400694
Maybe you just like the idea of something being older.

>>152400694
A lot of oldfags don't like new anything.

>>152400712
NTA but a lot of oldfags aren't even on the board anymore. If they were, people would be laughed at for even uttering the term, let alone calling themselves one

>>152400751
I assume anon is using oldfags to refer to older people in their 40s, 50s, and 60s, not actual 4chan oldfags.
I would hope they're not still kicking around here, for their own sanity's sake.

>>152400706
That's what a redditor would think

>>152400751
Old as in old people.

>>152400470
>>152400574
25 years ago was 2001. 2001 was also when Marvel made the shift toward decompression and writing for the trade and changed how their stories were told, and got more loose about characterization and history and the like

People won't admit it but I think part of the problem was that the comic industry took the wrong lessons from the 90s crash in order to make changes that had a way more damaging long-term effect on comics than the 90s ever did.

I would argue that you could jump into most individual comics pre-2001 easily, while there's more comics from 2001 onwards that aren't satisfying individual reads and don't hook readers as well as people think.

>>152400771
I'm almost 30, I'm not that old yet and yeah lot of it just me getting older because anime a young teenager game exceptions aside.

>>152400574
>Comics not being able to attract new readers has been a thing for 25 years at the very least.

hey, here's a fun fact, comics weren't NEW 25 years ago either. There was this whole period through the 90s and 80s and 70s that were pretty far removed from the original start of the comics.

>>152400999
Manga is where it's at, then. You have decades worth of seinen or josei manga to go through, you don't have to be stuck with shonen.

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>>152400706
>>152400678
I see the janitor is lurking and doing his "job"

>>152400958
>25 years ago was 2001. 2001 was also when Marvel made the shift toward decompression and writing for the trade and changed how their stories were told, and got more loose about characterization and history and the like

Right here. You go to a comic shop or whatever fucking digital shit and you pay FOUR FUCKING dollars and what do you get? A story that's both somehow drawn out and nothing happens. I'm not saying we need to go to "done in ones" but we definitely need to have comics feel like they got more weight behind them again. More story per issue were things feel like they happen instead of watching someone spend the whole issue on shit. Or fuck it, drop floppies entirely and just sell trades. Why are we forcing monthly releases, I'll pay 11-15 bucks quarterly.

I always felt manga vs comic sales were a bizarre comparison anyways. The format and distribution is too different and while that may be part of the problem it makes for a very disingenuous side by side. When people talk about manga they generally talk about the volume release rather than the single issue. Nobody is paying chapter by chapter for these or if they did it was in some throwaway cheap anthology book. Though I do wonder if trade releases cannibalize any of the issue sales or vice versa. I know a few books I trade waited on. And things like Marvel Epics or omnibuses seem to have no trouble selling out despite their increases price.

>>152401027
I don't but most modern seinen or josei doesn't interest me.

>>152401023
>comics weren't NEW 25 years ago either.
And? What does that have to do with anything I said? Why does /co/ attract these brain dead morojns where you have to over explain everything to them because they can't think for themselves? is it all the rancid capeshit narration boxes? Fans from the 70s or 80s were still the fans in 2001 and post 90s crash (like the 00s) comics were not getting any new readers, it was still the same old ones and now in 2026 some of them are dead or 80 years old.

>>152401184
>I always felt manga vs comic sales were a bizarre comparison anyways
Well obviously. One is winning and the other is losing so hard it's not in the competition.

>>152400445
Once it becomes about the youtube eceleb personality and not you know the actual fucking content or what they're saying its over for me.

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>>152401553
Why it matter? who cares about numbers and what's popular as long as it sells enough to keep going. Lot of great books aren't best sellers, so what? talk about the quality of the works.

>>152400771
I am

>>152401702
>Talk about the quality of the works
That's even more dismal than the sales numbers.

>>152401702
>Why it matter

>>152401702
It's the same reason retards like to flex about box office numbers. They think their thing "winning" means they're winning.

>>152401811
And best selling manga One Piece is so much better? Demon Slayer? slop ass manga.

>>152401947
Yeah well muh slop is better than your slop!

>>152400999
Age just makes you realise most shit is just recycling same shit under slightly different conditions and most of the output is stuff that is forgotten on two weeks after it stopped airing. So you primarily just look for something that feels distinctly new/different and interesting and hope it’s good. And you start looking into older iconic stuff you were aware of but never got around checking out before

>>152391763
>youtubers
>The Old Comics Community

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>>152401702
I Am talking about the quality.

>>152400470
>Never mind the minutia, focus on the current story." It's like everyone used to tacitly get this. Knowing that there is a history is more important than the history itself.

Its partly because episodic television died off and was replaced with more serialized television and then prestige television which feels like long movies. I know I'm speaking generally but still.

Streaming and online shit replaced it all too. There's no more clicking on a random episode of Star Trek TNG because that's all that's on that night. And not giving a shit.


New fans probably dont understand what it's like to buy weekly comics and wait till stories are done before getting into stuff first. Or older stuff. That's what I'm doing ad a comic newfag anyways lol. There's no grocery stores with comics anymore or comic book stores in the middle of nowhere where I live so I'm guessing this might be true too?

>>152402067
>muh slop is better than your slop
I mean, that's true.

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>>152402565
I think another issue is that even when things do get explained hardcore fans explain too much. Not spoilers so much but just going into too much detail about setting and lore when new readers haven't even been introduced. The thing with comics is that while the history and all the retcons and all the other bullshit gets really fucky, it's honestly not that bad if you read it going forward. It's only when you have take a lot of it all at once does it sound like a headache. You could pick up a comic with Donna Troy, for example, and probably follow along just fine. But then if you were to learn ALL her history it would be a lot to take in all at once that makes thing more confusing than they need to be when a lot this won't really matter. You read forward and you get it as it comes bit by bit. This is were I think new readers get hung up, they get force feed too much information too fast. It's like studying for the French Revolution and then someone starts talking about World War 2.

>>152400470
>"Never mind the minutia, focus on the current story."
But then all you cape cunts talk about is continuity.

>Checks other videos on channel
>Likes Doomsday Clock over Watchmen

>>152402413
That webcomic didn't sell shit and niche but it's better than most comedy comics.
>>152402647
You like slop?

>>152402847
>But then all you cape cunts talk about is continuity.
Because we know it. Once you get a few stories in to know it then you can be a pedantic cunt like the rest of us.

>>152402665
>Not spoilers so much
Oh it's definitely spoilers. I got into comics in 2008 and was hit with so many spoilers right out the gate either by fans or reading a storytelling that spoils past ones. But it's inevitable because comicsfags care more about what happens than how it happens.

>>152402900
Well maybe people don't want to be pedantic cunts so that's why they avoid comics.

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The Tick is such a good comic.

>>152402665
Yeah I'm a Kingdom Hearts fan...and it's a bit different but similar in a lot of ways. I'm secretly hoping one day it crosses over into marvel comics just because the lore will be even more fucked up.

I bet youtube doesn't help with like 12 hour lore videos of everything from bionicle to bomberman to elden ring etc. Giving people weird ideas about the need to understand everything.

>>152403078
I think part of it is that it's so nice to understand all the puzzle pieces coming together. There's a reason people love those History of DC books. I can't even blame the videos that go on about a certain character, because I remember thinking Green Lantern must be so boring, then I saw a video on Sinestro and thought "I should give this another chance and stop being a dumbass". That's why I don't like videos where people don't source the comic that information came from. The people that do are the ones who are getting others into reading.

>>152400470
There's some truth to that. I have two examples of that working which got me into reading and buying a whole lot of superhero comics:

Civil War did its job with advertising, as even normies like me got to hear about all the crazy stuff happening. So when I saw a collected edition of Civil War Frontline (I did not realize that these albums were specific collections of comics and that an event is told across several books, so I thought this was it) and read it and thought it was really cool. I was unaware of Speedball so his transformation to Penance wasn't character assassination for me, just cool character arc. Everything else happening I just took at face value, unaware of characters being out of character or ignoring their history etc. Thing is that after this I bought more of the different albums and started getting interested in more and more of the universe as more was revealed. The Road to Civil War collection with the Illuminati and the Spider-Man stuff made me super interested in the Illuminati and the stuff they talked about, such as the Kree Skrull War, as well as curious about the lesser known characters on the roster like Black Bolt and Namor. Namor in particular was really cool when he fought Iron Man which made me interested in him and his comics.

I had heard great things about 52, I think from Linkara of all people and found the first 5 issues pirated online. Despite it being right after a huge event that I had no idea about and featured lesser known characters in the center (who the fuck is Booster Gold and Elongated Man?!) the story telling was gripping and I couldn't help but read on, amazed at what was happening and how it all tied together. It was just a really cool story told with cool characters, and I loved seeing the development as it went on.

So my point is that it does work as long as the story you're falling in the middle of is actually cool. In this case it benefits from being a complete story collected.

>>152400102
The last good essay review I saw was that dude who made family guy ytps for about a decade having some sort of dialogue format like plato about skate 3+4.
It wasn't just a plot synopsis and it had peter griffin in it so it's /co/, but an actual review with some sort of analysis and point that you can actually tell had some human behind it rather than a "I need to appeal to the most massive audience with the most regurgitated opinion" type of deal.

>>152402864
>Likes Doomsday Clock over Watchmen
Why would he discredit himself like that?

>>152391763
Man I love the Tick Comics. When are we going to get a new cartoon? Or for that matter, I hope we get a crossover with The Tick and Invincible.

>>152403881
>who the fuck is Booster Gold and Elongated Man?!


I got into comics super late but I'm so thankful cartoons like Justice League especially Unlimited and Batman Brave and the Bold introduced me to tons of crazy characters. Booster Gold was great.

>>152402979
Invincible is not.

>>152404999
>When are we going to get a new cartoon?
You'll get another shitty live action instead

>>152391763
Move on.

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>>152405071
You know what I liked about Justice League Unlimited is that they brought in heroes just as they are. They gave you some background on guys like Booster but in very succinct ways but other characters like say Stargirl will just have no explanation as to where she came from or why her dad is the Big Guy. Justice League Action is like this too. Heck even a lot of Justice League season 1 and 2. There was no Flash origin. No given reason as to why John Stewart was there. They trusted the viewer to get all the info they needed about who was who from context.

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>>152403078
Yeah it's just too much all at once. Many of these things were meant to be taken as piecemeal over a long period of time. You're never gonna understand any story if someone bombards you with things from too far later because you won't have the context to even start.

>>152403831
I get wanting to know more information, one of the funnest parts of collecting comics was going back to try and find those issues mentioned in the editor's notes to fill in the gaps. A villain mentioning a previous encounter makes you want to go see that.

>There's a reason people love those History of DC books.
When I was a kid I had this paperback I got from a school book fair about the history of the x-men. It had pages explaining all the (then) current characters and teams had pictures of the jet and stuff like that. It was neat but this is the only thing we really had outside of the actual comics which weren't always the easiest to get. even trades weren't as in depth as they are now. Internet makes it way too easy to get overwhelmed and fall down the rabbit hole. So I do have some understanding and sympathy. But it really just astounds me that someone will watch a multi hour youtube essay when they can just as easily read the comics.

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You know what?
Let's do a census
>Age you were introduced to comics
>Age you *got* into comics (stuff like having a pull list, keeping up with news, actively reading comics, etc)
>Did you have childhood friends into comics?
>Do you know people in real life right now who you talk to about comics?
>Comics you're into (genre, character, writers, etc)

>>152400123
>so now /co/ is more of a zoomer board full of 16-23 year olds talking about shitty web cartoons than a millennial board full of 30-40 year olds talking about comics.
/co/ Blackpill #123890, the people who use the "comics" side of /co/ to discuss twitter OCs, Stonetoss comics, etc are probably not actually into comics as a medium to begin with and just use comics as an excuse to post things that are blatantly not cartoons.
Comic strip fans and adjacent are innocent

>>152391763
Reading comics is a less-social activity, unlike the other nerd hobbies of TableTop games, Video Games, cartoons, and even Niche Films. The other less-social activities of Books and Manga typically have one author with far, far less limiting their works. Comics are very predictable and nothing ever really matters in them. This means a book and manga reader can happily discuss what can happen and what the author is intending for YEARS while comic readers KNOW nothing matters.

I got into comics by reading Dan Slott's Amazing Spider-Man the post-secret wars stuff

>>152407356
>KNOW nothing matters
Creator owned exists

The 20 something year old online fan
>Has never once used /co/, CBR forums, Scans Daily, etc
>Uses LOCG a lot primarily for reading stats over characters, gets very anal over profile pics as well
>Doesn't care for New 52 much to the disappointment of Dan Didio
>John Byrne and Mark Millar are practically Satan in their eyes
>Cheesecake covers are their kryptonite
>Can't read Garth Ennis comics that aren't Punisher related without vomiting violently
>Incapable of reading cursive, Batman Year One makes their eyes hurt
>Knows one VERY specific Marvel/DC character like the back of their hand but will still insist on putting their personal characterization above anything else regardless of evidence shown
>Insists Damian Wayne and/or Scarlet Witch should be dark skinned for political correctness reasons
>When confronted by someone who mistakenly believes comics are all capeshit they will then proceed to recommend more capeshit
>50% likely to not even be American
>Pirates openly, doesn't care if pics have a watermark on it
>Has no clue what a pull list is or how sales even work
>Too young to remember how divisive at best ANAD was
>Oddly enough likes Bendis
>If they're into a non-cape comic, it'll likely be solely that non-cape comic and nothing else (Eltingville Club, Scott Pilgrim, etc)
>Even worse if they read licenseshit, they're honestly some of the dumbest people you can meet online to have a conversation about comics with
>Probably vocally supportive over some decades old character trait that was abandoned ages ago
>Will complain to the heavens and use every victim card they can think of to justify why *insert character* deserves their own book but will be in denial when said book bombs for not selling the bare minimum of 15,000 copies a month

>>152407259
The vids tend to be more for people who never were gonna read comics in the first place (who then hopefully pop in to do so, saw that happen with a Death's Head vid) or for people who are interested enough to wanna know who, say, a certain character in their event is (Who is Donna Troy etc) but are locked into their main read for now. Something somebody in class told me was "I like reading comics but I like to hear about characters while I'm on my commute". It makes sense that you can't always read everywhere.
I don't question it too much. The biggest reason I got into so many series was because I'm a sucker for a good cover. Most people seem to be the same, but for the ones higher on the spectrum who love to hyperfocus and grind out a ton of books, I get it.

>>152407298
>>Age you were introduced to comics
5 or 6
>>Age you *got* into comics (stuff like having a pull list, keeping up with news, actively reading comics, etc)
Not very long after. I got comics between then and when I was a regular at my LCS so about 8
>>Did you have childhood friends into comics?
My whole class got into them when X-men TAS started airing. We couldn't get to the stores fast enough.
>>Do you know people in real life right now who you talk to about comics?
Only a couple
>>Comics you're into (genre, character, writers, etc)
Too many too list. I like most any comic thats good. I like superhero stuff like Superman, I like Conan, Usagi Yojimbo.

I was pretty much always a comic fan. In fact I think comics might be why I grew up to be a reader because my teacher sure as shit wasn't much of a help. There's an interesting interview with Stan Lee about this kind of thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIHbBf5fK3U

>>152407356
>This means a book and manga reader can happily discuss what can happen and what the author is intending for YEARS while comic readers KNOW nothing matters.

I call bullshit on this. This is just another over exaggerated stereotype. It's only gotten especially bad in more recent years but if you go and read older spider-man, older flash, older anything and there's a lot of development. There's a lot of character and set up and things that mattered. Just because they get retconned 10-20 years later doesn't mean they didn't have meaning in the moment. it doesn't change the moment to moment. You read for enjoyment, for entertainment. It doesn't matter what will happen years later and one of the pluses of comics is that you can, and probably should, stop reading any time you want.

People bang on about manga having endings but that's bullshit too. Manga lives and dies by the word of the editor. Things will either have to stretch out or rush on a moments notice. And here's the opposite side of the coin. You follow a manga and the ending just sucks. Comics will have rewards in the moment, in the end to each adventure or story, but a crappy ending manga just makes the whole thing a waste of time and that's what people will talk about. For at least 10 years.

>>152407298
>Age you were introduced to comics
12
>Age you *got* into comics
29
>Did you have childhood friends into comics?
No, they liked videogames and manga like I did
>Do you know people in real life right now who you talk to about comics?
My dad used to read them when he was younger but very casually and he only opened up about it when he saw me buying floppies. I mostly speak with people at my LCS.
>Comics you're into
Claremont X-Men, Dick Grayson (I share a birthday with him), Bone, and most things Dragotta. That means East of West, Ghost Cage, etc. I always turned my nose up at Top Cow but now I'm giving them another chance instead of being a dumb baby. I got Complete Witchblade coming in any time now

>>152407464
>Things will either have to stretch out or rush on a moments notice
they still have an ending be stretched or rush can sometimes fuck the quality of the ending but it's still way better than the never ending of capeshit. Half of what's wrong with modern cape shit comes from it being written with the intention of never ending all the justifying of the status quo and super condensed timeline among other things.

>>152407298
>4
>8 always been off and on about keeping up with stuff
>Not really they thought they were cool but about it
>No
>Good ones.

>>152407490
I actually didn't learn about pull lists till I was like a teenager and I've never bothered getting one, I honestly wish DC and Marvel still did proper subscriptions, I tried one a few years from back and it was DC and it was awful didn't get books till months apart and I missed a few books, never doing that again, nothing like from when I was a kid getting books monthly in the mail.

>>152407298
>Young child
>Late teens/early 20s, pretty much exclusively through piracy and /co/
>no
>no
>Capeshit mostly, but I branch out when something catches my eye. Stern, DeFalco, and JMD's Spider-Man works are up there for me, as are Miller's Daredevil and Claremont's X-Men

Since this seems to be one of the most comics threads on the catalog, what's a convenient way to get into DC comics? I'm a big Marvel guy so Unlimited has been really useful.
Is DC Universe as good a service? And what's a good place to start, preferably Bronze Age but I can go Silver if there's good shit

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>>152407530
Just pirate and/or buy physical, digital services are gay also just read whatever you think looks cool man, like as someone who read comics since he could barely read you're not going to know everything always just like real life so just grab the start of a book that looks cool and go from there, if it sucks move on also here's an old DC in the 80's chart I had saved.

>>152407530
I got a free month from Unlimited and it was decent. The app isn't as good and has less features, but I like that it gives you everything up till the last 30 days on Ultra, and that buying the annual gets you a free hardcover. My wife buys me it as a yearly birthday present and I love her for it. If you liked X-Men, look at The New Teen Titans. Go read New Gods if you want. If I can be honest, see if you can go a bit beyond Bronze Age, start with Batman: Year One like so many did and have fun. There's a lot of fun to be had post-crisis

>>152407545
I pirate sometimes but honestly I genuinely find streaming to be more convenient, especially since I like to read on a tablet in bed. Shit like RCO is just cancer doing that.
I was mainly looking for a good starting point for ongoings since from my understanding the continuity isn't as straightforward as Marvel's.
>>152407561
Thanks anon, I'll give it a shot. I think I have that free trial somewhere too come to think of it. The Bronze Age thing was mainly a starting place floor. My plan is to just start somewhere and read on until the end or I stop liking it like I did for Marvel

>>152407485
>they still have an ending be stretched or rush can sometimes fuck the quality of the ending but it's still way better than the never ending of capeshit

Capeshit's not meant to end. It's meant to be episodic with tentpole changes over time. It was NEVER meant to end. It was the continuing adventures of this cool guy. It was basically pulp adventure in short story form. Nobody ever had a hard time understanding this.

>>152407572
Continuity matters even less for DC, outside of a run. Don't sweat it and just pick something that looks cool. If any character looks cool, jump in. If you end up wanting something physical, go to your LCS and check out the DC Finests and see if any catch your eye.

>>152407586
>Capeshit's not meant to end. It's meant to be episodic with tentpole changes over time. It was NEVER meant to end. It was the continuing adventures of this cool guy. It was basically pulp adventure in short story form.
Tarzan and John Carter even got meta with that idea early on with Tarzan becoming immortal and John Carter repeatedly stating that he never ages past thirty.

>>152407464
This, I recently read Cyborg 009 and it "ended" like three times.

>>152407586
That's why it's bad.

>>152407691
No, that's part of why it's good. To call it bad because it doesn't end is asinine logic by someone looking to rush things rather than enjoy them.

>>152400470
Yeah that was my experience with Conan comics
>Pick up a Conan comic at the book store
>What the fuck is Vendya, what's Nemedia, what's the Book of Skelos
>Get home and start reading more
>Piece things together by reading the Dark Horse and Marvel runs and eventually reading the original stories
Conan is great because the continuity is all over the place but you can really jump in anywhere. One week Conan can be the king of Aquilonia and the next he can be exploring a lost civilization.

>>152407586
>It's meant to be episodic
It hasn't really been that in ages

>>152407750
Well yes, I'm not defending modern comics just point out why older ones worked

>>152407464
>Manga lives and dies by the word of the editor
Again, why do you losers still like to pretend editors in manga interfere more in the stories than american comic book editors? Better question, why do you think you can spend decades whining about editorial and excusing hacks of making bad comics by blaming editorial and then turn around and pretend it's somehow worse in Japan despite there not being this always blame editorial culture for manga fans.
Real talk, do you really not see how pathetic and insecure you look when you do this?

>>152407703
No, it's the main reason why they're worthless. All the best superhero comics end.
Calling them good because they don't end is clinically retarded consoomerism. TV shows that don't end are garbage. Book series that don't end are garbage. So why are comics treated differently?

Everyone should read both comics and manga.

>>152408041
Because comic books are for retards.

>>152407691
>>152408041
Midwit spotted

>>152407464
>here's the opposite side of the coin. You follow a manga and the ending just sucks

I'd rather a bad ending that ends the story rather than a story that continues past a ad ending for 20+ more years of bad story and bad characters and retcons and Paul and spider totems etc.

Or you know what I really rather do is find good manga and comics beforehand and just read the best of the best but if we're making this a fucking retarded console war....

>>152408217
>I want an ending just to be mad that it sucks

Pretty masochistic reading habit you got there

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>>152408237
No that's not what I was saying at all.

I'm saying comics that keep going like Spiderman are shit for 20 years so I'd rather just something have a shit ending.

And that's ignoring the fact that a lot of the time the endings are fine or good or even great.

>>152408256
>I'm saying comics that keep going like Spiderman are shit for 20 years

Wrong

>>152407464
How many manga have you actually read?

>>152408130
Stay in your lane, capebaby.

>>152407298
>probably around 7 or 8 reading newspaper comics and getting old Calvin and Hobbes books from a consignment store
>around 10 when my friend had a superhero themed birthday and everyone got a copy of Superman the 10 Cent adventure. Starting buying trades and getting stuff from the library. Bought some issues but never did a pull list for very long because floppies are a dumb outdated concept
>the one who's birthday I went to though that was mostly because his dad had a big collection, we also talked abour Naruto
>I know a few people who have read superhero comics here and there, otherwise people only read manga so that's what I talk with them about
>good comics, dont limit myself to genres

>>152408393
I've read all of them, Dragon ball, Naruto, Hunter x Hunter One Piece, My Hero Academia, Toriko, Fullmetal Alchemist, Berserk, Vinland Saga, Akira and some Tezuka. I'm kind of an expert.

>>152408426
>I read some of the most basic normie manga I am an expert
holy fucking retard

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>>152408484
This is /co/, I wouldn't be surprised if he's serious.

>>152391763
>newfags are the ones reading manga
>on 4chan

>>152391763
Comics used to be worth talking about

>>152408426
>I'm kind of an expert.

I'm something of an mangotaku myself

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>>152408071
ironically threads about jp media on /co/ are usually alright and show the boards affection for them, unless they get shit-up by tr/a/nime crossboarders

>>152409032
>usually alright and show the boards affection for them,
No
Fuck off

>>152409032
They usually get shit-up by comics troons throwing bitchfits about manga.

>>152409032
no one from /a/ cares about /co/
most of 4chan doesnt really

Every time

>>152408500
He talking about newfags to manga not newfags on 4chan, idiot.

>>152408426
>Dragon ball, Naruto, Hunter x Hunter One Piece, My Hero Academia
These all count as one.

>>152409720
Because manga is such a new thing.

>>152408416
You don't know how comics or manga work, so take your own advice, midwit

>>152409032
The only worthwhile posters are those that read a lot of both.

>>152411072
true

>>152407954
>Again, why do you losers still like to pretend editors in manga interfere more in the stories than american comic book editors?

I didn't sat MORE but you faggots like to pretend that manga is some ideal artist driven medium. You started the argument so don't complain when people point out the truth back to you. Get fucked.

>>152398793
>I'm so autistic
Well you're not wrong.

>>152409880
He talking about people NEW TO MANGA, goddamn retard not manga being new.
>>152411413
Creator owned comic have more freedom and can get big publishers, manga might have more eyes on it but less freedom and the creator owned stuff is niche, someone in US can make a stupid comic like Flaming Carrot get published by Dark Horse have it come out when they want and live a comfortable life, that's not really possible in manga.

>>152399625
>You're creating a scenario that doesn't actually exist
lol

>>152411512
Someone like Todd McFarlane who completely owns everything and is self made aren't really a thing in manga like Oda might be rich but One Piece is still a spilt with the publisher and the reason it doesn't keep going even after the creator gone (Dragonball,Shin Chan and others proof that not the case) is just they have plenty of new stuff to publish and old volumes to make money off of or out of respect.

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It was a good comic til TDS set in. Everything woke turns to shit....

>>152411555
If One Punch Man was American the webcomic would've been published as is and he won't have to partly sell the rights to the publisher and do a remake. I'm shocked there hasn't been more a move and push to creators rights in Japan but they're set in their ways, it's fucked up assistants don't get credits.

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You guys have people to talk about comics with? I at best can give commentary on fun things happening in comics with people who read other comics I dont read. This is just in regards to Marvel Comics good luck ever finding anyone talking about a non superhero comic when I myself forget most of them myself and basically leave them unfinished.

>>152411512
>someone in US can make a stupid comic like Flaming Carrot get published by Dark Horse have it come out when they want and live a comfortable life, that's not really possible in manga.
Uwotm8?
Tons of dudes get weird random shit published in manga with sporadic release schedules all the time.
Hell, these days you have hentai doujin authors just straight up turning their hentai into official manga and getting published by major publishers with no issues so long as they cut out all the explicit loli rape and rimjobs.

>>152398113
That describes most modern comics.

>>152408426
>yeah most manga have bad endings
>I only read a handful of popular shit, how could you tell?

>>152411595
I honestly do most of my non-cape comic discussion on /co/, but damn is it hard to keep a comic thread for a specific non-cape comic alive here for more than a few hours without constantly necrobumping.
It has to be something that's a breakout hit, like BtTWNS.

>>152411642
This guys still don't make the wages comic guys too and once they get into official manga the companies tend to own half the rights. Manga creators tend to have to create nonstop.

>>152411512
>He talking about people NEW TO MANGA, goddamn retard not manga being new.
So he is saying people new to manga are reading manga? What is supposed to be the point of this statement?

US comics (outside of big two and licence shit) more freedom less eyes
Japanese less freedom more eyes (Indie manga exist but it's extremely niche even compared to indie comics)

>>152410595
I do, you on the other hand are a fucking retard.

>>152411853
Bro, comic wages are absolute shit, what the hell are you talking about?
Whether it's comics or manga, most of the people going into either aren't doing it because it's a money-making opportunity, because comics pay shit and manga only pay well if you make it big.

>>152411872
Jump off a building.

>>152411876
>Japanese less freedom
Really, retards? really?

>>152411887
Comic creators even if the cry about wages still get paid a more liveable wage than most mangaka who aren't massive.

>>152411908
You can get literally anything printed in the US and you can post it on most sites, it's a lot harder for Japanese.

>>152411910
Not really, most of them end up having to do shit like Doordash or go sell art at cons and shit, the latter also being common among mangaka.
Anon, are you doing that thing again where you just make shit up?
If you want to bump the thread you can just say bump, no need for all this autism.

>>152407298
>Middle school. Probably around 14 or 15 was when I first started reading Bone and Runaways though I also have memories of reading X-men and Ultimate Spider-man. An english lit teacher I had used to leave comics on the table and that made me check out characters like the hulk and such
>Young 20s. I pirate all my comics (I'm poor) but it was around then when I got into Swamp Thing which got me into the wider DC world and where I started following modern stuff.
>No
>No
>X-men, Spider-man and Batman as a general rule. The only new comics I'm currently following are the Absolute lines + Spider-man and Venom stuff but I've been reading a lot of older Spider-man, x-men (both during their 90s runs which I know almost nothing about) Ironman recently.

Anon kind of right something like The Tick where the creator is involved with every little thing and controls it all doesn't really happen in Japan. Most the time anime and shit out of their hands.

>>152411923
Really? Fucking really?

>>152412151
He's probably talking about porn.

>>152412186
And that would change nothing.

>>152412197
Japan has a lot of censorship laws regarding porn, anon. Laws that don't exist here. Do you not know anything about the country or something?

>>152400142
>Ninja Scroll rape is seen as something bad not as like a fetish thing like Goblin Slayer
lmao It's the complete opposite, you couldn't be more wrong.

>>152412238
Yeah, they censor genitalia. Apart from that Japan has a way bigger porn comic world than america does. Do you really want to argue against it? Because if I say doujin you will assume that all of them are porn as if it's a genre when it's not, it's just that there are tens of thousand of porn doujin every year. But hey, I'm sure there's more made in America, right? And do we really need to talk about the type of content? Do you really want to pretend to not know what type of porn they sometimes do in their doujin? That would never fly in America, America the country that tried to ban shonen anime 25 years ago because soccer moms threw a bitch fit over light nudity.
But hey, I'm glad you steered the conversation away to porn, you pornbrain loser.

>>152411879
That's rich coming from you, midwit

>>152412438
Stay in your line, dimwit.

>>152412476
Take your own advice, midwit

>>152411413
>artist driven medium
mangaka actually get to own their characters that alone puts it leagues ahead of comics in that regard

>>152412300
Anon America has a long history of porn comics dating back to the pre-comic BOOK days with Tijuana Bibles and we had stuff like undergrounds and Radio Comix (who published crazy furry shit and other fetishes) and no one tried to ban shonen anime, it was just a few parents being vocal. You ever seen the artist Barry Blair dude drew some pedo ass shit and it got published fine.

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>>152413008
>mangaka actually get to own their characters that alone puts it leagues ahead of comics in that regard
LMFAO

>>152413103
Anon, Japan has entire conventions for porn comics, it's nowhere near the same.
There are multiple well-known mangaka who got their start making porn, including the creator of the manga where the mascot of this site comes from.

>>152413103
We do less porn comics because we don't really need them even less so in the internet age.

>>152413131
We don't really need porn comics in the US, if you want to do porn you can just do drawings on Twitter and make as much money with less work.

>>152413144
Don't move the goalposts, just admit you were wrong.

>>152413118
Manga is usually 50/50, US is 100 you own it or the company owns it, 90% of the time.

>>152413144
>We don't really need porn comics in the US
By that logic we don't need comics period.

>>152413151
Also the guy who drew Robin for DC draws porn on Twitter.

>>152413169
Porn comics are pointless, I'm jacking off not reading, regular comics have a point.

>>152413188
Comics are pointless, they're just cartoons that don't move, cartoons make them obsolete.

>>152411923
>>152413144
>doesn’t know porn artists resort to that because payment platforms and book publishers refuse to touch porn

>>152413175
>on Twitter.
Bro...

>>152413188
Why did you even bring it up in the first place then? Just to let everyone know how little you know about the two industries?

>>152391763
>besides just blindly praising manga as all newfags do
That was literally happening in the early 2000s

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I miss old comics. You can't expect the community to stay the same when the comics just keep getting worse.

>>152415017
Is there a community to talk about old stuff only. Cause that's all I ever do now for every media. /vr/ sucks ut I dont know why we dont have one for everything else though .

>>152413118
>cherry picking this hard
LMAO could you get any more pathetic
hell even in Toriyama's case at least he had 50% ownership that's more the vast majority of American comic writers. Todd McFarlane only owns Spawn because he went and created his company.

>>152415658
Lmfao you're retarded, everyone knows working for DC and Marvel means you don't own shit, fuck off.

>>152415813
>no argument
concession accepted

Didn't read the thread but I just have to vent that I absolutely hate all the new comic book youtube "fans" who sprang up from covid and all they do is go around pillaging collections and LCS for comics that they can slab and resell.

>>152416421
Oh man don't get me started.
On the bright side the CGC scandal kind of slowed some of it down

>>152416648
The scalpers make me sad. There are some runs I want to flip through the floppy covers for just to feel like how my dad collected comics but if I missed that #1 it's 100 bucks to finish my set.

>>152416703
Sometimes it can be hilarious like when people get FOMO fever over an unconfirmed rumor over what will happen in a movie. Remember when people were totally certain that Legends of the Dark Knight: Prey was going to be the basis for Dark Knight Rises? Or when people were totally sure Sadie Sink was going to play Shathra?

>>152398155
>Comics aren’t uninteresting.
Come on, man. Most of the are. There are plenty of comics that don't capture most comic readers because comic readers are too dumb, but the vast majority of comics are not worth anyone's time.

>>152416703
A had a happy moment when some youtuber said he regretted slabbing the key issues ofvsome of his dad's comics because he can't actually read through it now.

>>152391763
It's really sad that I miss places like the old Newsarama forums at this point. There's nowhere to talk about comics. Reddit is a shitshow because most of the subreddits are filled with dick riders and secondaries who get most of their knowledge from social media (especially true of the X-Men sub). This place, any comic discussion is drowned out by cartoons, all the current comic stuff is infested with ESL schizos and even threads for older comics that used to be reliably enjoyable ones to post in are falling prey to ESLs/schizos/bots.

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>>152407298
>introduced
5 or 6, soon after I started reading. Somehow avoided capes entirely for ages. Read Amulet, Bone, Asterix & Obelix, and whatever age-appropriate “graphic novel” they’d pick up off the shelves.
>got into
Tried to get into capeshit when I was 13, made the mistake of starting with modern stuff. Hated it and didn’t bother for nearly ten years after. Picked up older stuff at age 20 and have read nonstop since. Cheating here because I don’t have a pull list, but I read something like 5-10 comics a day and browse this place for news and storytimes daily. And I’m reading the archives to see how people reacted to some of the particularly bad modern stuff I read when I was new. I think I’ve gotten into comics, at least a bit, by now.
>childhood friend
Oddly enough, yeah. Specifically old cape stuff, too. He’d show off stacks of super old floppies to me on occasion and had that one 2000s Marvel line-up (you know the one, with all the copy-pasted art and hundreds of characters lined up together) hung on his wall as a poster. I think I was more interested in writing our own stories together than reading any of his.
>irl comic frens
lol no
There are like four LCSes near me, but I’m too shy to go to most of them and one of them is swarmed with troons. I also have an irrational fear of being interrogated over if I’m a poser or not when I show up, which I’m trying to get over but might never escape…
>comics I like
After 15+ years of indie/unrelated shit, I’m mostly reading capes atm. Plowed through old Dr. Strange, Defenders, and Claremont X-Men in the latter half of 2025. Currently trying to get through Kirby’s F4, but it’s a bit of a slog. I’ll read just about anything otherwise. Most recent non-cape comic was Eltingville Club, which was painful to read (aged unfortunately well) but good. Also sorry for spamming those three series everywhere lately.

>>152417332
Sounds like you just have terrible taste in media

>>152417494
You'd think he could've broken open the slabs, it's not hard to do

>>152419428
I hate people who slab. I often see people bragging about getting a slabbed 9.8 on issues that are either still new or weren't worth that much and most actual collectors probably have multiple copies they don't remember getting.

>>152419564
It's not as cool as having a box full of bags and boards of your faves.

>>152416421
>" who sprang up from covid and all they do is go around pillaging collections and LCS for comics that they can slab and resell.

This happened to everything I enjoyed. I wish covid really was as deadly as people thought it was. Old videogames, actionfigures old and new, Lego old and new.

>>152417681
>subreddits are filled with dick riders and secondaries who get most of their knowledge from social media (especially true of the X-Men sub)


Its impossible to go to subreddits without seeing fanart of superhero beat up an ICE dude, or people posting about how captain murica always beat up nazis

>>152417681
>ESLs/schizoz

So fun fact SEA has the highest rats of schizophrenia in the world

>>152420092
I don't care about that, I care about the other stupid shit. There was a post on the X-Men sub the other day saying earnestly, without any hint of irony, that Magma should be made Afro-Brazillian because Nova Roma is stupid and I guess the implication is that because she's from Brazil she can't be right. Nobody really disagreed on the basis that it was a stupid thing to even think about or post, just lots of "well you can't change it but Nova Roma is stupid" (because these people have no fucking idea that it's just pulling from the old pulp Lost Civilization trope) or bitching that they don't make Sunspot black enough. Most of the rest of the time is obsessing over shipping and which characters are gay more than actually reading the comics.

Even when they DO talk about the comics, they get shit wrong and you can't disagree with them either, even when you're actually speaking on shit you know about, because actually they're right and you just need to shut up. They spend all their time bitching about how bad current X-Men is (because it's not Krakoa) but if you say you don't like Gail's super special annoying kids then it's downdoots for you because they're all super special fwuffball cinnamon rolls (even though they hate the current books). That's the kind of shit I mean. Reddit communities are basically like trying to deal with teen girls back in the day who just want to write Cloud x Sephiroth fanfiction. That's about the level of discourse they're on.

/co/has way too much obsessive gooning cartoon character threads

>>152420143
Wait a minute... is all this progrssive race shit just the skin color version of fujoshi and shippers. Because that would explain a lot.

>>152420143
Nova Roma was always stupid and awful aspect of Magma’s background.

>>152420143
Complain to me about more stuff let it all out. I hate reddit so much I stopped trying to put it into words.

>>152420143
>Even when they DO talk about the comics, they get shit wrong and you can't disagree with them either, even when you're actually speaking on shit you know about

How is this any different from /co/?

>>152420143
Anon, most of those posters are in 18-25 range if even that. Shippers have always existed but the elder shippers tend to stick to their lane and know their shit. Social media brings out the worst in people though and reddit's been a problem there since its inception.
>>152420241
On that end, it's not very different. /co/ does have more dedicated schizos though. The biggest pro I can give to any other place is that they can have a Magik topic that doesn't devolve into the degeneracy we get here. At least I hope they don't

>>152391763
>I Miss The Old Comics Community
i dont

>>152420155
Yes. Its common for them to whine about certain relationships because theyre le problematic then turn around and masterbate to messed up shit. Like Persona 5 fujos getting the ick from age gap romances while wanting the MC to fuck the murderer who canonically hates his guts.

>>152391896
>like really back then the only split was the collectors vs the readers and about it like you could still talk about Ghost World in the same vain as like the newest Batman run in the same space also now even the collector section has like multiple sections
Which is a shame because Dan Clowes REALLY wants to draw Batman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKgblaifX1s

>>152420895
Kek insecurity towards manga in disguise

>>152420143
>Reddit communities are basically like trying to deal with teen girls back in the day who just want to write Cloud x Sephiroth fanfiction.
I feel like this describes basically all zoomer online "communities."
They're all obsessed with retarded shipping, headcanon, and who the gayest gay to ever gay is.
I genuinely think a lot of them are just autistic English-speaking South Asians who use media as an escape from their horrible lives and try to exert control over fiction to make up for the fact that they have no control over anything in their own life.

>>152421071
?

>>152421118
He's not one of them, he's selling oriental merchandise.

>>152407298
>>Age you were introduced to comics
12 or something with Captain Underpants
>>Age you *got* into comics (stuff like having a pull list, keeping up with news, actively reading comics, etc)
I guess 18. I don't really have none of those because I live in the boonies and there is only one comic shop in a city almost an hour away with an older lady that runs it. Old enough to have the manga section be labeled "oriental comics" lol. Though when I started using 4chan I looked at the Sunday comic strip threads.
>>Did you have childhood friends into comics?
No, rural nowhere boonies and social media causes that.
>>Do you know people in real life right now who you talk to about comics?
See answer above. The only exception is that I could maybe get my brother and one of his friends to read a webcomic if we could make a video out of it or something. Otherwise no one I know has divulged any info about comics.
>>Comics you're into (genre, character, writers, etc)
I'm trying to collect Mad, Cracked, basically any of the old comedic ones. I have a few other comics I bought willy-nilly I haven't read yet but excited to skim. The only real series I can point to liking is Usagi Yojimbo, but that's probably because it's the one good thread on /co/ when it's storytimed.

>>152420143
You honestly get better dicussion on e621 than reddit because at least the "haha funny joke that's actually just sex" at least has the sex to it. Also for longer running series it's just easier to flip through.

>>152421116
That's autistic women, half of them. Half of autistic men get stuck in an infinite loop posting lewd fanart until they either crust over or get bored and snap out of it to become miniature train fans. I've seen this all happen on geocities

>>152418137
That's really rich coming from you.

>>152422939
These "people" ruined everything.