So am I really suppose to believe this "might doesn't make right" bullshit? The elite weren't really wrong
>>152426421You would be a victim, faggot
I think the whole point was that might unfortunately does make right, but we should aspire to the contrary.
>>152426421On paper they aren't, but its the WHY thats most important. Killing people indiscriminately whether theyre criminals or not is a bad mindset and can create villians. Which is probably what happend with injustice superman.Might does make right but should be used as a last resort.
>>152426467i think the ending was supposed to show the actual truth of what happens when an individual who's more powerful than you decides you're the bad guy? showing The Elite are just assholes with the power to reinforce what they think is right, and they shouldn't have the right to determine which criminals are "too bad" and deserve death. but the way it's handled just feels off. yeah, Superman showed them how bad it is, but i dunno. it's not like we ever see anything on the contrary either. in the movie, Atomic Skull was a homicidal maniac that just enjoyed killing. if they had shown a more remorseful villain that was getting controlled by another villain to go on a killing spree and they killed the remorseful villain who was genuinely trying to change their ways, then i feel like it would've been a bit more impactful
I mean desu if you believe “might makes right”, then you better have the biggest stick. They didn’t.
>>152426421They were wrong because they were right, might makes right, Superman is mightier than them so whatever he says is in the right, and he says might doesn't make right, so the elite were wrong.
>>152426421The point of the story is that Superman is way cooler than the Authority and he could totally beat them up if he wanted too. Thinking about it beyond that is a waste of time.
>>152426421This is just a gayer version of Armstrong's shtick, but at least Armstrong didn't pussy out when he was beaten by a superior adversary.
>>152426421Black got a taste of his own medicine and didn't like it. Then Superman rejected his ideals for the world to see. He proved himself to be a better man after beating Black down. Also Manchester Black was breaking the law by taking it into his own hands and being judge, jury, and executioner.
>>152426738This is legitimately not only my opinion but also the actual fact of the matter about this sort of thing.If your recourse is force over debate then you resign any after you're forced into submission.I like Manchester, I like the idea around him, but I don't agree with it. Anyone who does yet argues against their fate given their circumstance is agreeing with Superman that there must be room for empathy and restraint.Atomic Skull only showing up to be cartoonishly provoked and homicidal in one day didn't help the argument for nuance though, not sure who felt they had to add that.
>>152426550>Might does make right but should be used as a last resortThis.Laws, de-escalation and punishments exist because enough humans wanted some measure of peace in the past and today.>emphasis on 'enough'>I know there are many MANY bad people in the world, I'm on the same sites as you guys for fuck's sakeThe Elite were criminals and general degenerates who couldn't stop themselves from acting like murderous hobos.They saw what they believed to be an evil and twisted world, and decided that they wanted to benefit from that by being self-righteous gangsters.Even a thief can count.Superman is still a massive tool who is forced to let genuine evil like Atomic Skull or Darkside live because DC wouldn't dare let him do anything impactful that could end a comic on an satisfying note the way real life does.The no kill rule for him is even more retarded since he often fights genocidal Gods, living bombs and maniacs like Luthor.He should be allowed to kill evil but not as the first response to every single situation.But you can't say he didn't try to use his power in the most effective way despite his boy scout programming.The Elite only killed off dictators so that they could become pseudo dictators themselves.There conclusion wasn't wrong, but what they did with it was.The Punisher does what they did but I imagine he would still want them straight up dead too, considering how deranged they are.They didn't deserve the power they had, so now the live like average citizens.>Kinda stupid Superman never takes away powers as a rule but hey comics are retarded as a rule
>>152426846Valid point, he didn't budge on his beliefs but he did get a new perspective on them.
The story deconstructs Superman's Ideology. Then deconstructs Black's BS.Superman isn't proving his way right, he is dismantling Black's bullshit.
>>152427008>Atomic Skull only showing up to be cartoonishly provoked and homicidal in one day didn't help the argument for nuance though, not sure who felt they had to add thatIt was added to make Superman look cowardly and lazy to citizens from what I can imagine. For drama.The Elite wouldn't look that appealing without Superman getting an innocent man/people killed by letting Atomic Skull be used as a big car battery.Supes should have put his ass on the moon or something, instead of like a breast stroke away from the city he almost blew up.Again, comic writing.
>>152426421It does, no one wants to acknowledge it but the very people that say it constantly are always the first people to throw violent tantrums when rhetoric and debate fails. Superman is the epitome of this since he is constantly having ideological punch ups and using his position as the hopeful good guy to fight off people that want to do bad or amoral shit.
If someone with super powers making them immune to all conventional execution methods is given the death penalty, and someone asks superman to help, would he do it? This individual went to trial and was convicted by a judge and jury, they just need an executioner that can kill them.
>>152427565The State must carry the execution, Superman isn't the State, and he can freely refuse the carry the execution.other governmental organizations like CADMUS would be charged to take care of it.
>>152427644Sure, he CAN refuse, but will he?
>>152427858I don't see why he wouldn't.
>>152426421I mean, the people of Metropolis agreed with them.
>>152426421Because it sucks to live in and it sucks to live by.Every dumbass with a computer thinks>well why didn't we try thatwhile there are like 70 to 80 instances in history in where we did try exactly that and it sucked for all but a narrow minority who then lost power and were butchered by their angry enemies.
>>152426421Superman won the fight. But he didn't prove the elite wrong. The fact is killing Supervillains ultimately saves more lives than sparing them. Killing Atomic Skull was the right call to make. And no amount of crying about 'Muh no kill rule' and 'Muh need to inspire the people!" is going to change that.
>>152426421The film is very cowardly; Superman never questions whether his way of doing things is wrong or seeks a middle ground he can agree with.And the film never asks the real question: "What if Manchester Black had died for his beliefs?"Of course, Superman would have looked like a clown because he renounced his beliefs to teach the elite a lesson and never sought an alternative or reflected on his actions.Also, the lack of participation from ordinary citizens is very weak; nobody asks these people if they agree with the elite or with Superman.
>>152426421The point isn't "might doesn't make right", it's that "might makes right" is no way to live or run a civilized society.
>>152426893>Then Superman rejected his ideals for the world to see.But Superman proved the elite right by abandoning his own ideals and using force to compel them to surrender.After all, an ideological war is lost if you use the same methods as your enemies.
>>152426657>if you believe>then you better haveSurely if you believe (or not), then you better make sure the guy with the biggest stick doesn't believe in it?When weak, appear strong.
>>152428091>it's that "might makes right" is no way to live or run a civilized society.Tell that to Trump and Venezuela.
>>152426421They didn't believe in might makes right they just wanted an excuse to be dickheads. If they actually believed in it they wouldn't have had a problem when supes started pretending to be killing them
>>152428115Using force to stop someone using force is not the same as summarily executing them once they're no longer a threat, or executing them for what you think they might do. In the movie The Elite execute AS after he's been neutralized, and they murder the leaders of the two countries solely on Black's say-so that they couldn't be convinced to back down. In the comic The Elite threaten to kill a bunch of disarmed baddies and rain acid down on their families and loved ones as a warning to others.That's not the same as Superman tranquilizing Black's team and giving him the equivalent of a concussion.
>>152428115>an ideological war is lost if you use the same methods as your enemies.Depends. Some morals are acceptable casualties to a lot of people.Hypocrisy is usually rationalized with "My ideology says I cannot be wrong; the ends justify the means".
>>152426421It only works if Superman is stronger so yes it's lame. If it was reversed and Superman was the asshole and the Elite had his perspective then they could nothing lmao.Superman isn't stronger because of his kindness, he's stronger because he's Superman and the Authority are lame. It's genuinely a terrible story."Wouldn't it be scary if someone as cool as Superman was LIKE THE AUTHORITY!?"Yeah sure I guess. Doesn't really say anything and the Elite's only flaw in their philosophy (civilian endangerment and slavery aside) was that they didn't go far enough in ensuring the corrupt governments with leaders they killed didn't crumble.
>>152426421Manchester Black would turn you inside out if you even THOUGHT of making of fun of his fashion sense
>>152428091It's quite literally how society functions and has functioned for millions of years. The people in power only change for the better when threatened. Might doesn't just make right; fear makes right.
>>152428015If that's the case, how come he's not executed when he's arrested?
>>152428366Because the government is corrupt. Really, the actual thing being missed is that if the government can not adequately function as judge, jury, and executioner, then who should?
>>152426421Why is Kal like this?
Zoomers and jaded y'ers are so tired. Csnt believe i see idiots defending might makes right.Truth exists outside of a person or societies ability to observe said truth. Force and strength doesnt change that. Right exists outside and beyond Superman or Black. However, cape shit plays it too safe with the idea of "right." There are people and beings that superman and the other supers should have killed or at least let die. When you start committing what is essentially war crimes, its ok to just off someone.Like btas. That superman / batman cross over where joker bombs metropolis, it would have been ok to just kill him. That behavior was just ao far beyond a petty crime or even a murder in rage. A big problem with super hero shit is that for a very long time it was for children and you cant tell children that it is ever ok to kill someone for being an evil peice of shit. You cant have children going to school thinking they can kill people if the other person is bad enough. Obviously this is untrue, but its a line children's media cant cross.
>>152428899The most mid wit conversations surround Batman and Superman>hurr why does Batman let Joker live?>hurr why doesn't Superman just force people to be good?Why do we never get these dogshit stories with Spider-Man or, like, Captain America. Only Batman and Superman. Its not that we're afraid to ask the questions. Its that they are inherently dumb questions. Batman doesn't kill because he chooses not to. Superman doesn't interfer with politics because he doesn't want to. Full stop.
>>152426421Linkara said it best >Might FOR Right
>>152428169Working on it.
>>152428273>If it was reversed and Superman was the asshole and the Elite had his perspective then they could nothing lmao.I'd read that story.
>>152426421They killed a dog.
>>152428273>If it was reversed and Superman was the asshole and the Elite had his perspective then they could nothing lmao.It's called Injustice, and there Superman was still called out by everyone with sense and a set of balls.
>>152426421the lesson isn't that might doesn't make rightits that if you're going to be mighty, be more gentle
>>152426421>I'm from /v/ and/ or /a/ and I can't BELIEVE you moralfaggots!Cool, go back there >What makes you think I'm a touristThe fact you're quoting the cartoon and not the comic book that preceded it by a decade, tourist
>>152426421You've been making this thread for how long and you're still stupid
>>152428115>But Superman proved the elite right by abandoning his own ideals and using force to compel them to surrender.No. He proved them WRONG by reducing them to sobbing cry babies who couldn't handle it when the shoe was on the other foot. They had this ideal because they were the ones on top. Then they weren't.
>>152426421I understand the idea the movie wants to convey, that violence and killing are incompatible with the principles of justice and that Superman does not kill, but I think this is idealism.Not killing or using violence is a luxury in times of peace. In the past, justice was like the Punisher. This makes us think: what is more civilized and just, a rapist being released, at most imprisoned for a few years, or being hanged, mutilated, perhaps having his body exposed in a public square as an example, just like in the old days?
>>152426421Authority had better writing and art than most of the slop at the time. To the point that Marvel embraced the idea and did an overhaul, and those were the most exciting years for Marvel until they got hooked on mega events. I really liked how Marvel didn't shit on the industry in Marvels and embraced these edgier stories. Meanwhile, DC, which owned Authority, wanted to go both ways. That's why Identity Crisis can be read more as DC's own identity crisis.
>>152426421You made this thread already.
>>152428768For context these guys the Lunarians were about to crash into Earth and wouldn't stop. Superman goes their planet's moon and writes in large letters >EITHER STOP FUCKING WITH EARTH OR I'LL THROW THIS MOON AT YOU Superman has been a bully since his first appearence when he shook Butch out of his car and broke it against some rocks. As much as I hate the new Superman movie him taking the general and pressing him against a cactus is in-character.
Didn't they kidnap and alien to live inside it?
Might doesn’t make right, it just lets you get away being bully until someone stronger comes along and you yourself get bullied. Only losers who wish to be bullies themselves believe in it.
Superman isn't really a bully so much as he's a "pick on someone your own size" guy. A bully implies he attacks people for no reason. Even the example in the OP he had a reason to go ham on Manchester. It was a teachable moment and he had to lean to them or else.
>>152426421There are no right or wrong in philosophies.What the the movie wants to portray is that those with the might makes right philosophy only like to strike downwards but are whiny bitches when they are the receiving ends
>>152430715Eh, the only 2000s Marvel I actually enjoyed was Punisher and Marvel Boy. All the exciting shit was at DC, including WildStorm, ABC, and Vertigo. Fuck Bendis.
>>152432996>dc 2000 >excitingAfter the best post-crisis runs ended, DC entered a drought in the 2000s. Authority was by far the best thing associated with DC. I feel like Image Comics was doing better at the same time. Which makes me think that all the hype Invincible had was well deserved, by far the most exciting series of the 2000s. Kind of depressing if you ask me. Sorry, pretentious Invincible fans, I've memory holed how bad the Big 2 were back then, and still are in a way.
>>152428899>Truth exists outside of a person or societies ability to observe said truth. Force and strength doesnt change that. Right exists outside and beyond Superman or Black.The truth is objective.Power controls the truth.What is right is what the one in charge decides.
>>152428978>Why do we never get these dogshit stories with Spider-Man or, like, Captain America. Only Batman and Superman. Its not that we're afraid to ask the questions.Because unlike Batman and Superman, Spiderman and Captain America don't save their enemies or give them a chance to return.
>>152429783>They had this ideal because they were the ones on top. Then they weren't.But Superman didn't prove them wrong.And what if they had chosen to die for their ideals?That's the damn problem. Superman has no answer for that; he has no argument.
>>152432023>What the the movie wants to portray is that those with the might makes right philosophy only like to strike downwards but are whiny bitches when they are the receiving ends.And the movie failed miserably.the elite only attacked criminals, murderers, terrorists, and dictators.Superman was being a crybaby about it.
>>152428169An old man at death's door, Time defeats all.
>>152426657That made their philosophy correct.Their not having the biggest stick doesnt mean they are wrong. Supes proved them right and ad stronger forces his ideals.Simple as.
>>152433113>But Superman didn't prove them wrong.they proved themselves wrong.>And what if they had chosen to die for their ideals?then we'd be having an entirely different conversation, but that's not what happened.
>>152433101>Spiderman and Captain America don't save their enemies or give them a chance to return.Absolutely insane take.
>>152426421The fact you believe the lesson was “might makes right” shows you’re really fucking stupid. The whole point is that the kind of losers who say “might makes right” is cool only do so when they can bully everyone else on the playground with impunity, and the moment someone comes along who doesn’t take your crap, suddenly they begin the same demanding “fairness” and “mercy” they say nobody deserves. The Elite were wrong in that they never advocated for “might makes right”, they advocated for “I’m special and you’re not”. The exact moment Superman showed that they couldn’t take what they dish out, that they were just another pack of jackals pretending to have standards until it became inconvenient for them, they lost and cried foul.
>>152426421They were wrong to kill Atomic Skull.They were right to kill those politicians though.
>>152433316And we know it didnt happened only because the writer is a faggot tried to push his propaganda, afraid people would sidenwith the Elite if Manchester just laughed at thenend, clapped and said "good, now kill me, top dog...and run the dog pound as should be"
Are we really doing this thread again?
>>152433327You know there were people whi died for their beliefs even when it wasnt convenient right? There were lots of people happy to die against a stronger fie knowing the world as a whole was made stronger
>>152433357Seems people really love to be contrarian in how their fanfic version of of the story should be “right” despite Manchester Black breaking down crying like a baby because Superman gave him a taste of what it’s to be bullied.
>>152426421Violence is the ultimate authority from which all others are given. Nothing I have learned or experienced has invalidated this. Our societies are founded and employ violence so we may not need to conduct violence on each other to live.
>>152433358And that wasn’t what the Elite were. They weren’t ever ready to die for their beliefs, cause they begged for mercy the moment Superman stopped trying to treat them with kids gloves, with Manchester Black in the comic outright whining Superman isn’t allowed to do this to them. Superman showed he was ready to die on his hill when he allowed them to think they killed him over trying to peacefully de escalate , they didn’t. They were losers. Simple as
>>152433364yes because the writer is a philosophical hack and could come up with no other argument against a topic he wasn't even initially arguing againsthe had to change the subject in his own writing and even then delivered it sloppily enough that people still don't agree with his outcome
>>152433379Doesn’t change the fact far too many people stick to their own fanfic version of the story where Manchester Black isn’t some hypocritical douche and doesn’t have the ethics of a bratty kid who holds a magnifying glass over an ant hill. And keep acting like the Elite and the Authority are an exact one to one comparison when even I know they are way different in both premise and execution. The Authority would have never wasted time trying to fight or antagonize Superman in the first place like the Elite did.
>>152433358And those people tend to be fundamentalist and crazy people. The Elite were neither, they were people who got off on bullying people with their super powers and painting that as heroism
>>152433422and Yorkshire Negro being a prick doesn't change the fact that superman failed to have an actual response to them besides supplying more violence and being capable of so much more violence than them that he was even able to subdue them non-lethally, and the fact that they would eventually break out and threaten even more people as a resultit fails on every level to address the societal problems being presented and just makes Liverpool Ebony into the crying wojak
>>152433374>And that wasn’t what the Elite wasYeah cause of the author's beliefs/agenda while writing the story.You know it wouldnt go like that if he wasnt a lib.
>>152433428Crazy people just for people who have no beliefs
>>152433443Snobs, it’s not my fault you were so retarded that you intentionally forgot the entire sequence where the Elite showed they were willing to kill another superhero in cold blood despite his repeated pleas for them both to stop fighting and revealed to the world, on live camera, that they would do the exact same to any dissenters until they were the only voice that remains, showing themselves as villains that had outright passed the point of being talked down and could only be physically stopped because they were fucking supervillains and that’s what they do. I’m sorry media is so hard to understand for you.>>152433459Thanks for proving my point that people who obsess over this are doing it over their fanfic version of the story instead of what we got.
>>152433428Your only belief is your life matters above all and there are no things worth dying for or sacrifice your comfy way of life.One of the shitiest opinions to have
>>152433489You know you are just proving the Elite right...
>>152433501I know you’re an idiot who has the intellectual capacity of a ten year old, yes.
>>152433510Awww reduced to personal attacks as your argument fails?Yup, definitely a lib
>>152433528Considering your idea of arguing appears sticking your fingers in your ears and going “I can’t hear you” to anything that proves you incorrect, this is no argument. Just a statement. You are an idiot.
>>152433273Continuous midwit reply. Superman never says might doesn’t make right, he says it SHOULDNT. They claim it should, and he proves them to be whiny spoiled retards who beg him to “play fair” as soon as it’s clear he’s stronger.
>>152426421>So am I really suppose to believe this "might doesn't make right" bullshit?You live in a country where you're punished by the judicial system, not the armed forces.
>>152433489You also don't have an actual argument and immediately resort to comments against character and near non-sequitur
>>152433607>you're punished by the judicial systemWho has an organized, violent arm of enforcement in cops because if they didn't they'd have no power to actually punish you
>>152433615Your argument is “this story wouldn’t be this way if the writer wasn’t a liberal”. That’s an admission you refuse to discus this story in the way it’s presented, where the Elite are fallible, but instead your own mental construction of it. Where they aren’t. Aka your fanfic. Frankly, I have no interest in discussing your fanfic version of the story, and think this conversation is not for you.
>>152433631And are the cops better armed than the military?
>>152426421The point was to point out his hypocrisy.The moment Manchester isn't "the might" he starts bitching and complaining about it.
>>152433634The point is that the writer never provided an answer to the initial problem, "Superman is endangering civilians by refusing to eliminate murderers and terrorists."
>>152433607>You live in a country where you're punished by the judicial system, not the armed forces.Didn't the armed forces punish maduro?Besides, I'm sure the police have the right to beat and shoot you if they consider you a danger. That makes them judge, jury, and executioner.
>>152433664This is how I know you didn’t read the comic. Superman was regularly fighting monsters and military. He outright smashes a monster to pieces once he has it confirmed it’s not sentient and thus the equivalent of a robot. He has moral objections to the killing of supervillains, war criminals and monsters, but he never outright said “killing is wrong”. Just that he finds it personally disturbing that the Elite are posturing as a moral authority when their first answer to everything is “kill it” and that people are celebrating this approach instead of being worried at all. The only time he even strikes the Elite is when they decide to go killing civilians to terrorize the world into compliance, making a clear statement he draws a line right there.That and “Superman is endangering civilians by refusing to eliminate murderers and terrorists” is very obviously a pussy way of going “I wish the state would execute criminals more”, since Superman is not the state, just a lone citizen preventing further destruction by bad guys.
>>152433636The military has its own police force that is better armed than the soldiers.
>>152433709>since Superman is not the state, just a lone citizen preventing further destruction by bad guys.If we're going to involve the state, vigilantes and vigilantism is illegal; Superman has no legal or moral authority to do it.
>>152426421>"might doesn't make right" bullshitWhat do you mean? Superman was "right" because he was stronger and beat them into agreeing with him.
>>152433494“I believe in sadistically killing anyone I don’t like for whatever petty reason” is a pretty demented dogma
>>152433709Superman is a bitch dude who pushes his weight and beliefs around so characters acknowledge him as a softie who can do no wrong and manipulate people to get away with being a god amongst men.
>>152433743I don't think that was ever in any doubt, anon. Hell, I thought it was bloody obvious that was one of the big reasons Superman doesn't kill, the fact he's a VIGILANTE. The dude is technically outright pushing the limits fighting criminals and bad guys as it is without being officially deputized, and he's only tolerated by the normies because giant cyber apes and kryptonite-infused monstrosities are beyond the scope of the US to stop, and people only trust Superman because he's shown to have the relative restraint to fight against these threats while limiting collateral damage as much as possible. Any form of good will goes right out the fucking window once he's proven he's either careless enough to not care about the damage his powers can cause and/or that he can and will kill anyone with impunity that he sees fit, including anyone who goes up to him to tell him that he can't do that shit. The fact the Elite pretend to be retarded and ignorant of this dichotomy is why it's exasperating people act so stupid about them. Every single superhero is on the fucking borderline of what's permissible as it is by doing what they do, killing someone outside of extreme circumstances is the kind of shit that would immediately make the US government and hell EVERY government act to kill off every meta in the world. Fuck, the Elite have a dude with a magic fucking hat that can do fucking anything, they can't even feign ignorance in that they had no other options, they have a trillion other ways to fight bad guys without resorting to killing but they don't. They're retarded chimps with the powers of gods, and people mindlessly praise them for it.
>>152433776Lex, take your coffee and go steal your cakes or whatever.
>>152433709>Just that he finds it personally disturbing that the Elite are posturing as a moral authority when their first answer to everything is “kill it” and that people are celebrating this approach instead of being worried at all.No, he's clearly just for more death and destruction given the fact that atomic skull took all 5 of them just to take down so the next time he ever broke out and supes had to solo it even more civilians would die. >As many times as it takes
>>152433859>missing the point this hard
>>152433634No, the argument is that the writer was a fag with a bone to pick about anti-heroes he didn't like then set up what he thought was a strawman that actually turned out to be more morally correct than his stand-in so he had to make a strawman for the strawman to character assassinate them instead of providing any actual philosophical reason for why Atomic skull, the man who immediately broke out of jail to murder people and took 5 A-tier supers to put down, should be allowed to live
>>152433878In other words, you think your fanfic version of the story is better. Got it.
>>152433867No, i've hit the point square on the head and shattered itAtomic skull took all fucking five of them just to subdue in the animated version and at great pain and damage to the city which was only barely mitigated. The next time he breaks out again supes is going to fag around until even more people die because of his refusal. He's actively chosen to safeguard these people and accept that burden, he is morally responsible for every death Atomic Skull causes. At no point during the actual initial argument is it presented that "the elite murder every problem they don't like" because its very clearly a problem that's too great to just leave standing. They had to have the elite kick the puppy in order to even pretend they're in the wrong or that the civilians should be unhappy because a mass murderer is dead.
>>152433893Is this all you do, this pilpul? This gaslight, strawman bullshit?How about you read the actual story and the author then try to tell me that this was some totally cohesive narrative planned from the start and not him seething that mercy makes no fucking sense in the context of superpowered supervillains killing random people on the street.fuck you
>>152433901You really didn't hit anything but your own foot. Superman had no more authority to kill the Atomic Skull than the Elite did. It wasn't ever his idea to try and use the guy to turn the guy into a generator, it was the government's. If they chose not to kill the atomic fucker any of the times that Superman brought him to them to decide his fate and they decide he should be locked up instead of slain, how is it suddenly his fault that the state failed to lock him up properly? Are you any more at fault for when a murderer escapes state custody to go kill again because your tax contributions failed to go to putting the son of a bitch down? That shit was a horrible disaster, yes, but not because of Superman. It's cause the state fucked around and found out. They could have asked Superman to shove the Atomic Skull onto the moon or the Fortress of Solitude if they really wanted him out of the world's hair, and he probably would have complied. But they didn't, they fucked around, a number of civilians lost their lives, and they shoved the responsibility onto Superman in response. And The Elite aren't making anything better either, considering they have The Hat on their team, aka Mr. "I can do anything with magic". Fucker could have turned the guy non-atomic or turned him into a fucking mouse the rest of his life with that magic hat of his. But he didn't. Dude showboated and left it to everyone else to kill the Atomic Skull and basked in all the accolades. So fuck The Elite.Besides, are you outright arguing that you WANT a super being like Superman and The Elite to have the impunity to decide if you live and die?>Yes, because I know I've not done anything wrong or illegal, duhWhat if they decide you needed to go because there's too many fat virgins on the planet? What would your argument be, that it's not right to do so?>>152433913Man, you broke down hard at the end there, bot.
>>152426421They didn't actually believe in might makes right they just thought their powers gave them the ability to do as they pleased.Actually believing might makes right would be doing as Superman says.
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>>152433592This. It's not exactly subtle.
>>152426421It does, Superman thinks it shouldn't. When the Elite chimp out over this, he shows them why they don't want to live in a world where might makes right is the whole and totality of the law, either. Because what they think "might" is can't even inconvenience him more than a moment, and because Superman knows that there are other beings at his level with that philosophy.
The thread neglects one thing. Separating Manchester Black's "ideology" from his character.The reason Black's ideology is so flawed is because for every one Luigi Mangione, we have five sociopaths who cope that they are like him.Black's "ideology" started being less and less important as the story went on because the absolute second he had power and control, he started acting like the very figures he fights in order to "combat" the figures he fights. Because the truth is that for him, ideology doesn't fucking matter beyond the excuse to revel in the kind of power he wanted to revel in.He makes commentary about US military intervention in the Middle East, but much like Sadam invading Kuwait, he talks about it in the context of his own excuse to do the exact same shit.He's the kind of guy who watches Dexter and thinks "oh my god, literally me". The guy who has never studied child abuse or what to actually do if he thinks a child is being abused, but fantasizes about catfishing a predator and shooting them in the street. All his ideological talk is his own bullshit excuse to kill people and take what he wants.
>>152426467I see, and we should aspire to making the contrary right, through might?
>>152434170>>152434181>>152434205I honestly don't see what this has to do with Superman vs the Elite. Like it's pretty clearly objective that Tommy is a murderer, but that he didn't choose to do it as the first and only resort due to his lack of time and resources. And Superman isn't presented as browbeating Tommy due to understanding that as someone who ISN'T a superhero, he was in a state of crisis where he had to take an action that was considered unconscionable but necessary, and isn't being held by Superman to the same exacting standards of "find another way" that other superheroes are due to their capabilities being well above what Tommy could have pulled in that circumstance.Basically, as much as Batman bitches, neither's wrong. Tommy is arguing he's arguing he did what he had to do as some schmuck with a gun and not a superhero. And he's right. And Batman is right that doesn't suddenly make him less of a murderer. Tommy absolutely did what he had to do with proper reasoning under those conditions, but that doesn't mean the loss of life should be celebrated either. Superman (under Grant Morrison's pen at least) is just gracious enough to acknowledge that he's built differently from Tommy and that the man did what he thought was right in the moment, even if he's not sure he personally would have done the same thing.
>>152426421They weren't.However they lost legitimacy when their leader compromised their philosophy by blabbering that Superman cannot embrace the 'Might-makes-right' mindset at the climax of their battle.To be perfectly clear, the yank and his mates were the only ones who lost face.The primordial truth remains immortal, immutable, and ever-present.
>>152426738> Might does make right> Superman is the mightiest> Superman says 'Might does not make right'> Now might does not make right> Superman is the mightiest> Since Might is not right, superman's statement that 'might does not make right' must be wrong> Now might makes right.> Superman is the mightiest> Superman says 'Might does not make right'> Now might does not make right... again...>...How dare you ensnare me in this paradox.
>>152433636Does that matter?They still enforce judicial resolutions with a level of force vastly beyond that of any civilian element of society.Just because they don't have a total monopoly on force does not defeat the point being made.
>>152433592>>152434242>he says it SHOULDNT>and then proves it by... forcing people to agree with him by showing he's the mightiest so he's always rightOf course it's not subtle. It's just badly written.
>>152434479Peak midwit.
>>152434558You mean he proved the Elite wouldn't buy what they've been selling.
>>152433718>>152434547If the military is mightier, or any portion of it, then why aren't they in charge of everything? That was the rather obvious point being made that you dumbass retards didn't understand.
>>152434619But the army is in charge of everything; the president is the leader and commander of the army.You would know if you read
>>152434576Thank you.I am gladdened knowing that I've reached the peak of something.
>>152433561Caling.people idiots sounds like a libtard tactic when youre loosing son...Pretti Good
>>152434878>unironic use of "libtard"I think you took a wrong turn, this isn't reddit.
>>152433709Retarded take.Superman is guilty of murdering millions. So is Batman.Their refusal to kill Luthor, Darkseid and Joker results in cintinous bloodhseed of innocents, filling entire cemeteries just because theyre too much of a faggot to bend their beliefs and rio the head and spine of mass murderers.
>>152433761Henjust beat them into subbmission not to take his beliefs. So by oroxy by using methods from their creed, he prioved Elite's beliefs true and right.That Kent didnt choose to he a killer doesnt mean his philosophy automatically is then right ine, its wishfull thinking if the writer, like boat scene from Dark Knight
>>152434925That makes the citizens of Metropolis even more culpable for not stringing up Luthor by his balls, Gotham ultra culpable for not raping and beheading Joker, and every single god responsible for killing Darkseid despite the fact he keeps coming back as a threat to existence. Not to mention the reader's fault for continuing to buy these comics that keep bringing those faggots back from the dead.See how stupid your take is?
>>152433768Nah, sounds like a correct take.Sounds like youre a californian pussy
>>152434611What you smell brain bitches don't understand is that it doesn't matter if the individual saying it is a cunt.
>>152434969>"Hey everyone, you should beat up people you disagree with because that's the right way of solving your problems, and anyone who whines it's unfair is a baby bitch not worth listening to">"Okay, I'll beat you up">"Nooooooooo not like that you're not being faiiiiiiiiiiiir"
If the justice system worked peopme wouldnt somebody to kill them all. Where I live we had a famous case of a woman murdering her husband but getting out of jail because she was pregnant with his child. She killed the kid and herself when he was 2. They made a movie about it called Dear Zachary. Its like fuck someone should have murdered that murderer. Maybe not all of them but that one for sure. Or the guy who ate someone's testicles after beheading him on a bus. I dont even follow the news that much. And that's only the things we know about imagine all the shit we dont especially with how crazy immigration can be
>>152433969>Besides, are you outright arguing that you WANT a super being like Superman and The Elite to have the impunity to decide if you live and die?Yes. Mighty decide the fate of the meek.>What if they decide you needed to go because there's too many fat virgins on the planet? What would your argument be, that it's not right to do so?Aaaw, did it hurt anon?
>>152434986>Hey everyone, you should beat up people you disagree with because that's the right way of solving your problems, and anyone who whines it's unfair is a baby bitch not worth listening to">"Okay, I'll beat you up"You proved them right by doing what they advocate for.
>>152435004People like me wouldnt want*Missed some words >>152434925They've probably killed millions almost directly due to traumatic brain injuries. Especially Superman. If it's a big deal in context sports and even hockey it would be huge for someone with fucking super strength.
>>152434026Nah, having might and not using it to fix things (kill meta villains) and being soft, does not "might makes right"Injustice Superman - now thats a might makes right people can get behind
>>152435012Anon, you're the meek in this equation, not the mighty.
>>152435017How you interpret that as "proving them right" rather than "saying bullshit they never believed a fig in" I will never know beyond schizophrenia.
>>152434904Yeah, reddits for libtards. In this house ICE are the heroes.Maybe you should go
>>152435034>Nah, having might and not using it to fix things (kill meta villains) and being soft, does not "might makes right"It objectively doesn't. You still get a never-ending parade of evil clown-faced bastards killing people left and right to fill in the power vacuums left by the old villains, now you just have to live with the fact the superheroes just blow people up rather than bother reasoning with them. That and the fact death is literally not a punishment when it comes to stopping crime in cape comics since half the villains either come back from the dead or are losers who stay dead until they get brought back in some apocalypse that has them turned into hyper-killer zombie demons far worse than when they were alive.All killing supervillains does is make more room for more homicidal maniacs for the writers to throw at the heroes. They're fucked either way. It's literally a bigger waste of time to kill villains than to just throw them in the slammer for a month's worth of peace and quiet.
>>152435067/pol/tard detected
>>152434958Thr only retarded take is yours, mate.I give them thenbenefit of thendoubtndurringntheir first bouts with Luthror/Jonkler/whoever.After thatnevery death isnonnthe heries. As they, not random gothamites have the means and powers to stop the villains permanently, if they wont pussy out and accceot blood on their hands and conscience. There should be no reccuring vilains, at least not those who murder, as they should be wiped at first battle with the heroes.
>>152435096I would take you more seriously if you could fucking spell correctly, jesus christ. That and the fact that again, you're putting everything on the heroes instead of say the politicians who refuse to execute the fuckers in the first place, as well as the citizens who know that people like Luthor is an evil bastard trying to kill them all and just ignore him.
>>152435044Nice try libanon.
>>152435106Prove me wrong, poltard
>>152435084Bullshit.Lazyness of writers that want to milk the same character for 80+ years doesnt proove jack shit.The joker shouldnt appear in any comic book after Death in the Family, only used in adaptations. No more Joker, get over him. Here's White Rabbit.
>>152435091Sounds like something a redditor who doesnt like when Punisher skull is used by the police, would write
>>152435137Proves that "might makes right" is probably the stupidest rule to try to apply to a cape comic, for the bare fact that life and death aren't nearly a final punishment or resolution as people act like it is, and that you're not mentally equipped to handle talking about picture books involving men in caped spandex if you can't accept that fact.
>>152435104Because no one cares about the politicians or regular joe shmoe.Yes its on the heroes. Want to put on the spandex? Prepare having to decide about murdering potential mass murderers each day, comes with the territory. Do it or hang over your tights...When real heroes in Minnesota got rid of dangerous mental cases some got mad, and yet they didnt cry like bitches but kept doing their job
>>152435114I just did. Your philisophy is wrong.Might makes right, as shown since 2024
>>152435146>resorting to non-sequiterI accept your concession>>152435171>Because no one cares about the politicians or regular joe shmoe.Meaning your opinion doesn't matter then :)>>152435176Nope. You lost. Go out and stream yourself shooting people you disagree with if you're so sure you're right.
>>152435167Well maybe someone should think about making universes permanently end instead if going ad infinite.I accept your concession and surrender.
>>152435137Shut the fuck up
>>152435187Then maybe you should be writing your own comic books.>I accept your concession and surrender.I know you already surrendered, anon, you don't have to speak it aloud.
>>152435181>>152435195Libanon having a melty? Gonna cry on reddit?Gonna call a black man a house n like a tranny?Get out, /co/ is not for you.
>>152435052It doesn't matter if they believe in it, you used their methods and actions speak louder than words.
>>152435200Mmm someone has a sand in they/them vagina it seems, libanon
>>152435205Whether they actually believe their rhetoric or not or are outright lying just to have an excuse to be cruel morons is the precise point of this entire debacle, anon. How are you this retarded?
>>152435203>>152435214Sorry that you got brain broke so hard, poltard.
>>152435227Not as hard as Alex Pretti.Say hello from me to your friends from r/lgbt
>>152435338I legitimately don't know what you're even talking about anymore. Take a shower and touch some grass.
>>152435219It doesnt matter if they are cruel or not if they are right. Can your retarded skull comprehend that? Being nice and non ashole-ish doesnt mean its a way to go
>>152435205God you're dumb.
>>152435345Oh done both today. Why youre not back on reddit?
This thread again?Are you the same faggot that keeps making terrible Watchmem threads, too?How many times does it need to be broken down?Black sez: being strong means you can do whatever you want so you shouldSuperman sez: being strong means you can do whatever you want but you shouldn't Superman demonstrates that he is stronger than Black and if he did whatever he wanted Black would have a bad time Black sez: No don't do whatever you want just because you can! I was wrong!It's that shrimple.
>>152435349Anon, let me break it down for you like this.Someone advocates might makes right, and challenges anyone else to kill them if they disagree.Someone else disagrees, beats them down, and is about to kill them.If the advocate then says that the one beating them down does not have the right to kill them, they are in fact refuting their own argument. They are saying that the mighty, aka the one beating them down, is not right.That is Manchester Black crying like a baby and saying Superman doesn't have the right to murder him, despite moments ago saying that he who has power makes the rules. Manchester Black does not in fact believe that the mighty make the rules, aka he refutes Superman's claim over his life despite the fact Superman is objectively mightier than him and by his own creed does in fact have the right to decide whether he lives or dies.Either Superman the mighty has the right to judge and kill him, or Manchester is wrong and Superman the mighty does not have the right to judge and kill him. Manchester Black argues Superman, the mightiest man on Earth doesn't have that right. Ergo, neither would Manchester, since he is lowlier. Manchester Black by his own actions has proven he doesn't want the creed he wants to enforce on the world actually enforced properly, meaning he doesn't believe in the shit he spouts, meaning his word means jack and shit, meaning this particular instance of "might makes right" is a crock since it's coming from someone who never actually believed in it to begin with.If you refuse to accept those base facts, then that's on you.
>>152426421Might doesn't make right because what is right is a moral question.Might can accomplish a lot. It's often necessary. But it's also brutish and can be horrific.The argument in the story is that there's something greater, that a higher standard of morality is worth striving for
>>152435435It should just end with Superman killing Menchester, him dying with a smile with a quiet "youre ready now" but DC pussied out with their message not wanting people siding with the Elite which is always a pussy move when they do it in media.
>>152435219>Whether they actually believe their rhetoric or notIs irrelevant.
>>152435514That's not the story we got though, so tough shit. Deal with it or keep whining into the void and looking like a pussy who copes with his own fanfiction version of stories when they don't agree with his morals.
>>152435529Is the entire point of the comic, retard, so tough tits.
>>152435491No whats right is what the might tells you is.Morality doesnt matter, you just desperately want it to matter afraid of immoral people having might and being right.The whole comic was a butthurt attempt at a "no u" to Authority, jealous of their success and being the hot new thing
>>152435219How are you so retarded that you can't understand that it's not about them. They can be slimy hypocrites but it doesn't change the fact that Superman resorted to their methods to prove their point that might makes right.
It's insane how so many people seem to miss the point of this
>>152435535So the story still doesnt answer how Supes will prevent murder of the innocent. He will just allow villains to escape jail and kill again, thus making the Elite right in the end.There is no option in this where Superman is right, you can argue ad nauseum till tommorow
>>152435564It's quite literally one autistic retarded
>>152435548The point of the comic is to cry about The Authority. I don't even like The Authority or these cheap expies but the writer is a retard and you're an even bigger retard. He didn't show them a better way, he just beat them up and because they were cowards then their point is no longer valid because Superman beat them up and forced his own point on them and they couldn't say no because they're weaker.
>>152435564Hurr durrr media literacy cause you cant accept the writer made a shit take in his story.
>>152435558It can't be helped that you are too stupid to ignore how the Elite refuse to follow their principles but Superman didn't. The Elite refused to follow the rule of the mighty when he proved worthier than them. Superman by comparison had them by the balls and had every right to let them fry, but let them live as mercy.Again, it can't be helped if you can't accept these bare facts.
>>152435593Again, you are literally crying about your own fanfiction version of the story where your baby might makes right understanding of ethics is right and nobody can refute it. At this point there's no goddamn point speaking to you because you're mentally incapable of understanding anything other than the smell of the feces in your diaper. Pathetic.
>>152435582I think you're just too afraid to admit that the edgelord villains were wrong, anon. It's okay to grow up sometime.
>>152426657>wow, what a crappy Earth
>>152435647Nah i think its the xeno demigod who can fix the world yet decides to let a bald billiionaire and his cadre of villains kill innocents time and time again cause he cant be bothered to burn them to slag with his heat visiin
>>152435931...Is in the wrong
>>152435931So you blame Superman for the fact he doesn't just kill Lex Luthor on moral grounds, but also blame Superman for the fact that the writers keep bringing Lex Luthor back every time he dies.The fuck sense does that make?
>>152435610>how the Elite refuse to follow their principlesI.Don't.Fucking.Care. them being cowards does not change that Superman resorted to their life philosophy.
I blame the demiurge
>>152435991Them being cowards is literally the entire point of this debate, anon.>that Superman resorted to their life philosophy.He didn't. He kept by his, that being "You shouldn't kill off every single bad guy out of convenience". The bad guys being The Elite. The fact you are too retarded to see this shows remarkable lack of media literacy.
>>152435633Nice sperg out.
>>152436013I agree anon, your ongoing spergout on how Superman is wrong because you masturbate to Manchester Black is remarkable.
Might doesn't make right, you moron.Just because you can kill someone doesn't mean you should.
>>152436011So the point is just to create cheap expies of The Authority and whine that they're popular? At the end of the day he just proved that he's in the right because he's stronger.
>>152436027You are outright twisting details from outside the story to prove in-story arguments correct or incorrect, and managing to get even that wrong. Just admit that Superman stuck to his principles while the Elite didn't, by the text in the book, and that you've lost this one.
>>152436018Take it easy, they're fictional characters not real people and I like Superman while I don't like that nothing of a character at all. Doesn't change the fact that this issue is badly written and you sperged out earlier. Calm your tits.
>>152436027It really doesn't work that way.There are objective truths about reality, and no matter how powerful you are, you cannot change them. The mighty make the rules of society, but that doesn't mean the rules are morally just or "Right."
>>152436041You're right, you should calm your tits, anon.
>>152436040>stuck to his principlesHe did not. He follow theirs and then they shat themselves because they're one note cowards.
>>152436048>no uBet you see yourself as an intelligent individual. Pathetic
>>152436049Except he didn't. He made them think he was.
>>152436066Same shit.>you can do anything you want if you're stronger>nu-uh guysAnd then he beats them up and tells them to knock off the killing.
>>152436081That's a childish viewpoint."You can do anything you want if you're stronger" is a deeply sociopathic worldview that outright ignores that other people exist.The IDEA that this is morally "Just" is a laughable idea.
>>152436049>The Elite: "Might makes right">Superman: "Don't go murdering people left and right">The Elite: "Fuck you, we will go murdering people because we're mightier, and if you disagree fight us">Superman: "Fine, I will fight you.">The Elite: "Hey, wtf, you've beaten us! This isn't how this is supposed to go when we were the ones on top!">Superman: "I've proven I'm mightier than you. So, hypothetically, does this mean I can kill you now, since might makes right?">The Elite: "No Superman, you may be mightier but you can't kill us! You can't go murdering people left and right! Might doesn't make right!">Superman: "Yeah, I agree. So I won't kill you.">The Elite: "...Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!"Seems consistent to me.
>>152435966I blame Supes yes.I also blame DC for not making new villains every few years for last 8 decades, but still using guys from the 1940s
>>152436018Melty libanon
>>152436191Anon, this is along the lines of putting an immortal up for state execution. When the writers have taken death off the table as a permanent end/ultimate punishment for a villain, then what possible effectiveness does it make for any hero to threaten to kill their villains? It becomes as ineffectual as locking them up for a while because we know the writers will just jerry-rig a contrived way for the villain to escape in the exact same way they'll come up with a contrived way for the supervillain to not be dead despite having his skeleton torn out of him through his anus. At that point you might as well blame your dog for the state of the middle east, there's only so much he can do about the fact he's a freaking dog without a degree in poliscience.
>>152436040Yeah like authors twisting villains that have a good points - like Red Skull and then adding "hur durr hes a nazi see? Anyone with similar views is a nazi"
>>152436045If youre mighty enough you can make 2+2 equal 5, by killing/subjugating those saying otherwise.
>>152436231No, that's a case of "I see what the writers are going for, but I refuse to agree with the point they are making".
>>152436091It worked for the British Empire, it works for the USA, deal with it hippie.
>>152436227So just dont jerry rig a way to bring them back? Use Joker once. Never bring him back, use your creative to make an entirely new character and pray its half as compelling. Then kill him and repeat for next 80 years. Its not that hard
>>152436243So every retarded DC and Marvel preachy bullshit since they allowed fags write the stories?
>>152436240No, you cannot. 2 and 2 will always be 4, and that is the truth.You may change the name of 4, but it will always be 4.
>>152436266At that point, anon, you aren't talking about the world that characters like Superman and Batman inhabit, and just breaking down the shitty and lazy writing choices of Detective Comics over the years. Cause while I 100% agree that they should have just stuck to their guns and just left Joker for dead, this is unfortunately not the dichotomy that Superman works with. He's stuck in a world where killing people is unironically not the worst thing that a superhero can do to someone, and death is genuinely not an obstacle for a supervillain to continue committing their crimes. That is ultimately the reason that the Elite's "just kill them all until they behave" mentality will never, ever fucking work. The universe literally won't let it work, and all they'll do is just create worse and worse problems to be put off until later, when the dead villains are all brought back to menace the world yet again. This is the world Batman and Superman have inherited, and the fact of the matter is that by the unfair way their universe works, they HAVE to find methods beyond just killing their bad guys if they're going to achieve any semblance of peace. >>152436287Well, duh.
>>152436320Perception is reality mate. As long as tou can enforce it to people its real.And reality itself doesnt care
>>152436332Reality actually does care.Objective falsehoods will never be reality, no matter how strong you are.
>>152436248>Use two empires that are almost universally considered morally bankrupt and everyone hates and are only kept in charge via their power rather than any actual morality.LMAOMight may equal control. But it does not equal right
>>152436338You could kill everyone who says it's 4, but they will always be correct.You will always be incorrect, because reality is immutable.
The truth is that right equals might, because someone who stands up for the rights of others will inspire others to follow them.For example, the government only has as much power as we give it. If the military found someone else who was objectively better at running the country than the current government, they would follow that man.
>>152433089>The truth is objective.>Power controls the truth.>What is right is what the one in charge decidesPower just controls people. That has nothing to do with truth or what is right
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.
>>152436354Silly anon. Control equals right.That jew faggot thought he was right attacking ICE. The universe showed how hes wrong and.No not retarded person would slam on colonial Britain, the best empire ever
>>152436354>Morally bancrupt.No such thing, libtard hands typed your post
>>152436409Controlling people controls the narrative. No one carres to control the nature.Control people=win
>>152436545Yes, there is such a thing as morality as it turns out.People don't like it when you hurt them. Doesn't matter how strong you are.>>152436533Britain committed so many atrocities that it's unreal. It fell because people had enough.
>But the writer pussied out from making Black willing to die for it!Joe Kelly didn't and Black was, Superman tells him to have another go.
>>152436602And niw look at India after it was left alone. People shitting on the streets and raping women. They were better off as slaves to britbongs.Morslity is a social construct which is bullshit. Might is right.
>>152428392>the Governmet is corrupt for not applying the death penalty Ok, retard
>>152436626No, morality is a natural thing.People don't accept it when you hurt them and actively want to help others, and to think otherwise is delusional.Rapists will get their just deserts eventually, when people have enough of them as well.
>>152426421>The elite weren't really wrongRemember when bait was subtle?
>>152436626Might is control.Right is uncontrollable.
>>152434347>TdlrYoure making Superman sound like a indifferent wimpy god who cares about not being as involved in making hard choices because hes too scared. This is why no one likes comics, outside of the deadpool ones.
>>152433807No, Lex was always right, Superman is gay and wrong, you cant be better without his power and imhuman understanding.
>>152436678>>152436692Lex, why are you shitposting on 4chan instead of plotting the west's downfall because you can't afford hair transplants?
>>152434282>Because what they think "might" is can't even inconvenience him more than a moment, and because Superman knows that there are other beings at his level with that philosophy.Then why not help them work with them for this, instead allowing them to escalate. Sounds to me Superman is just to above mortal things that is really important important to debate in the superhuman community.
>>152436533He was correct to attack ICE because they were brutalizing other people for the sake of a sick power fantasy. Don't lie, you know exactly why they subject illegal immigrants to worse treatment than actual serial killers. It's because they're manchildren who want control over others, and now have the permission from a morally bankrupt president. But that does not make them right, no matter how much you cope and scream "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT" like some kind of pathetic, unevolved troglodyte.They killed him, but that makes them murderers, not "Right."If you kill someone and I kill you for revenge, you were defeated because your evil prompted someone else to take action. Actual animals can seek revenge on those who have wronged them, ffs. You are literally less mentally evolved in the matters of justice than a magpie.
>>152436721Why should a grownup lower himself to helping a child's gang in bullying a playground when said brats are having a screaming tantrum at him?
>>152434958Well yeah, the whole world is dictated by flawed concepts of our world and american law system but with super human beings and more cosmic horror, and the fact theirs no progress or utopian setting to adapt to super human consequences and threats, only a predicted recycling of heroes being limited by a lesser law system makes comic morality retardedly inefficient.
>>152436775Glad we agree it's a stupid take then.
>>152433101>Spiderman and Captain America don't save their enemies or give them a chance to return.We get it, you don't read Marvel.
>>152434958Hey, killing Darkseid is something they've tried. A lot, actually
>>152436816Exactly. At what point does it go from blaming the superheroes for not doing everything feasible to stopping a villain to just blaming them for the fact they aren't in control of when a villain decides they're bored of being dead and punts Death in the cunt to back to menace the galaxy again, let alone do so from beyond the grave?
>>152436751The gang only acts on primal expectations of a super human threat as their first motive in enacting order. Something has to die in order for people to learn what sort of idea it takes to keep peace. Its not gonna be cops or Superman himself to always come up with something when theyre away or possibly dead. They're being naturally prepared to do what they think is best not as just heroes but to save lives.
>>152436844Legit, can you REALLY blame them?They've tried
>>152436707Because lex is our president. Gg fag.
>>152433101I know no one's obligated to spoonfeed of all things, but I'm SHOCKED not one person has immediately rebuked this with a post or page highlighting that Peter has actively sparred the life of remorseless serial killing monsters like fucking CARNAGE.
>>152436874...So they're basically as intellectually developed as animals, anon? Like, is that the level you think we should be judging Chester and his gang? As animals to be put down?>>152436900According to the anons in this thread, apparently they still do blame the heroes for the shit they can't control. And I don't really get it.
>>152436801Spidey and cap have killed before and casually in fact. They have to do what is best, they just arent openly ready for it like Wolverine and other no killing rule heroes.
>>152436816They are only proving the elite right then, they dont have all aspects of otherworldly power to defend and enforce certain prosperity against absolute threats of creation like darkseid and even joker because they dont strive to be overly stronger and improve their duty.
>>152436649>actively want to help othersSweet summer child, they would eat you alive in Asia, South America or India...
>>152436929>Spidey and cap have killed before and casually in fact.No they haven't. At least certainly not casually. The one time Cap did kill a dude it was a huge deal for him and a massive shit show. read a fucking comic.
>>152436907Which is weird because he never had that issue before Bendis. The one time he was anal about not killing people beyond his morals was in Maximum Carnage, and only to prove he didn't HAVE to kill. But he wasn't particularly upset when he thought Carnage died near the end, even if that was a fakeout.>>152436972You're really reaching at this point, anon, just stop being retarded.
>>152436677Thats what you hope stupudly.Right is controllable, and changeable
>>152436915>So they're basically as intellectually developed as animals, anon? Like, is that the level you think we should be judging Chester and his gang? As animals to be put down?Yes, they're mammals and act on the pre programmed instinct to survive to keep living and get through struggle along with others, superheroes try to be gods but they having ultimate self sufficient power makes them or should understand this. I mean superman seems.to be okay not holding back when he fights for his survival against threats his caliber like darkseid or anti monitor.
>>152437002>You're really reaching at this point, anon, just stop being retarded.Just say superman baby cartoon ethics are gay and dont work, and then ill stop
>>152437024Thank you for proving none of us have to take you seriously ever again.>>152437045Once you bother learning grammar, until then you're wrong.
>>152426421Superman is acknowledging that "might does make right" only in that "right" is "whatever the mightiest person says is true." Superman is basically saying "I am mightiest so I say we're all going to be merciful or I'm going to fucking kill you."That's not how you're supposed to read the story, but it's how I make sense of it.Pic unrelated
>>152437013It really isn't.You cannot control what is right, no matter how hard you try. 2 and 2 will always equal 4, and human beings will NEVER accept you hurting them>>152436995Empathy is actually a trait that's inherent to most life. Rousseau was right
>>152437085In fact, this ties into the idea that right makes might.If you are strong, but are evil, then the people you hurt will find a way to stop you. It is human nature to rise against oppressors and break a cage. Why do you think revolutions happen?
>>152436995>they would eat you alive in Asia, South America or India...Well yeah, but I thought we were talking about Humans, not man-sized bugs.
>>152437074Superman's true strength is offering people freedom. He could rule the world, but chooses not to because he respects human beings enough to make their own choices.
>>152437148I'm pretty sure he's an idiot.Human beings are a naturally empathetic species because we're able to understand what hurts others.It is the thing that grants us capacity for cruelty, but also, conversely, grants us the ability to care
>>152437171>Human beings are a naturally empathetic species...when confronted by members of their tribe or in-group. You're half right, but you think you're whole right and that's really dangerous.Humans have been at war since before we invented time. Where do you think all that war came from if Humans had infinite empathy? That's really not a rhetorical question, Anon. I'd like you to tell me why war happens if people are the empathy engines you think we are.
>>152435435Manchester being a hypocrite doesn't make discredit his philosophy
>>152436747They attack them as no one whos descendants came with the Mayflower aint a real American.Youre either a white descendant of english and dutch or youre a filthy immigrant that came afterwards. When you see a federal officer he can smash a granny with a baton and you watch and go with your daily life.Might is right
>>152436747Its murder if its not in the right.It is just exterminating vermin if in line of duty
>>152437234...Ignoring the part where he outright discredits his own philosophy by saying Superman "can't do this", meaning that even he doesn't believe might makes right at its core since he is willing to throw it away if it saves his life.
>>152437085Selfishness is the prevailent trait not empathy, anon>>152437125Revolutions can be qualled. As done many times in the past
>>152437302Once again, Manchester being a hypocritical retard doesn't mean he's incorrect. Superman literally proved him right.
>>152437171Tell me youre a liberal faggot thinking blacks and trannies have same rights as normal people without telling me youre a libtard...
>>152437238Oh, so you're an idiot who legitimately believes it's his god-given right to do whatever he wants.Might does not make right and never will.>>152437266>Human beings are vermin You can't make this shit upIf someone started murdering whites for the mere crime of existing, would you try to stop them?>>152437325They will keep rising until you fall, no matter how long it takes. Revolution cannot be quelled until you kill literally everyone.
>>152437343"Normal people."If anything, you're not the normal person. You genuinely think it's them destroying society rather than the morons in power who think that they're owed everything merely because of religious texts.
>>1524373921) yes.2) yes as subhumans shouldnt attack normal (white people)3)silly faggot. Kill enough and people are subservient and pliable. Auschwitz had shitton of hews and only a small set of guards, yet they didnt storm the gates sacrificing some of their ranks.Stop believing the movie bullshit, people stop rebelling after a while. Minnesota will be put in its place shortly.Liberal white women rebel
>>152437413Yes, stop trying to make a class war "rich vs pikr" hallen, it wint happen.Its gonna be a race war. And white christians gonna win.
>>152437429That's the same shit the British thought at the Boston Massacre.Also, look what happened to Auschwitz. People, overseas or otherwise, had enoughHuman beings have a natural instinct to overthrow things they feel are constraining them.YOU are a subhuman for believing they'll just take it
>>152437441>White ChristiansYou mean the people who come number 2 in terms of "Worst religious people" right next to Islamists?Control and order are innately malicious concepts
>>152437468No, people overseas interveened because they didnt like someone else rising to power. Most people fighting in WW II wouldnt spit in the direction of a negro or a poof. Many veterans say they are ashamed of what US and UK have become under liberal faggots.They didnt hate IIIrd reich ideologically...they hated the power grab
>>152437060Concession accepted, now log off and try not to pick up women with your rent free baby wimpiness.
>>152437485Said like a libtard.Wanting ultimate freedom and no control over oneself is retarded and uncivilized.
>>152437151Superman isnt real and hes only their to tell the inevitable truth that nothing matters in the world if a strong man that flies who cant really change or save us truly.
>>152437508I'm pretty sure the Nazis would've done to us the shit they were doing to the Jews if they won.It's a simple matter of "I don't like this person who's going around murdering people."You think someone stops a mugging because they want the purse themselves? No, because they don't want that to happen to someone, because they might be next.The only people who truly think "Might makes right" are>Authoritarian regimes>Crime gangs>Bullies>Muggers
>>152437535You're the kind of person who'd support the State in 1984 because "They're stronger."If someone is trying to hurt you, should you just lie down and take it because "They're stronger?"
>>152436997>No they haven't. At least certainly not casuallyThey do when they fight non human creatures
>>152437342He's wrong in that he advocates for a philosophy that will kill him because he's not strong enough, and even then, him saying "You can't do this" to Superman proves that he never even really believed in his own bullshit.Would your disagreement go away if we replaced the word "wrong" with "insincere"?
"A living being seeks above all else to discharge it's strength. Life itself is will to power."It's why "Might makes right" is a retarded concept.If you oppress people long enough, that powder keg WILL explode, and you'll be ripped asunder. It doesn't matter how long it takes.It doesn't matter how many people you kill. Someone WILL have enough and plant an axe through your skull.Human beings naturally have a desire to dominate, and trying to control them is just going to make them want to kill you.The only way you could prevent this is if you lobotomized or killed everyone, but that's just you losing the argument, You're saying "I cannot contain them as humans forever, so I must reduce them to less than human"
>>152437549Nah, just jews, gypsues, mentally ill, gay and maaaaybe slavs.They didnt plan any atrocities for french or british, so most of US would be safe as well.Authoritarian is good, and i hope US goes that way after Trump 3rd term
>>152437560Nah, they were too much communist, not enough facist.But yes if youre not strong you should "take it", you rollled a shitty hand, deal with it, no use fighting it, unless you want to inconvenience your oppresors.
>>152437518I accept your concession.
>>152437620>Nah, just jews, gypsues, mentally ill, gay and maaaaybe slavs.>They didnt plan any atrocities for french or britishThey didn't plan for atrocities against the Jews until they did, moron. How can you be so pants on head retarded that you'll sit there and honestly say "The bloodthirsty murderers aren't going to kill EVERYONE who goes against them."They're not Murderbots, Anon. They don't have a preprogrammed kill limit. If they think they could genocide the French and still have a good world afterwards, they would do it in a heartbeat.
>>152437620You're literally the exact subject of Martin Niemöller's poem. You think you're "Different" or "Superior" to other people because of some innate trait.When in reality, the Nazis just wanted to dominate everyone and used race politics as a coverup
>>152437614>The only way you could prevent this is if you lobotomized or killed everyone, but that's just you losing the argument, You're saying "I cannot contain them as humans forever, so I must reduce them to less than human.Still a win as you have total control and none oppose your views.But you dont even need to resort to that. You can control an.opressed compliant society
>>152437638So you're basically saying "I'm a pushover."Absolutely pathetic
>>152431899>Superman has been a bully since his first appearence when he shook Butch out of his car and broke it against some rocksAnd "only doing it to bad guys" just makes him a weasel. His true nature is right there for the reader to see.
>>152437650Nah they planned it against them since the start. They had a list of who needs to go since day 1.Dont be unneducated or dense. Nazis were better than that
>>152437664Cry me a river libtard. You wont have your beloved freedom
>>152437660That will explode.Empires fall when enough people have enough of your bullshit. Without fail. The Mali Empire, the Aztecs, the Romans, the Britons, every empire in history has fallen because they thought nobody would ever challenge them and would just stay in line.The US is no different.
>>152426421Joe Kelly went out of his way to present the opposing philosophy as wrong as possible, and I still don't think he had a strong counter.
>>152437691If I beat the shit out of you, would you beg for your life?Or would you get up and try to stop me, a superior force, from claiming you?
>>152437613Forget it, he's intentionally refusing to acknowledge the point and it's obvious by how stupid he's acting.
>>152437773...You know, this quote could be used a lot
>>152426421How many times are we gonna regurgitate this thread? Manchester was a little bitch that wanted an excuse to kill whoever he wanted and the moment it looked like he was about to be killed by someone with a bigger gun he starts crying and pissing himself about how it's not fair
Both of them were right in a sense. It's just that Superman could actually live up to his ideals
why didnt superman stop epstein?
>>152437825...Who's saying he didn't?
>>152437696Empire falls through weak rotting internal structures. Thats why diversity and inclusivity was a mistake
>>152437703I would at least take you with me
>>152437912Andddd they got that way because the empire thought it was the top of the world and someone had enough.Infrastructure only exists as long as people care enough to maintain it.The entire military could go on strike and the President wouldn't be able to do SHIT
>>152437825Cause he doesnt touch jews and was on the island with Perry White a bunch? Duh?
>>152437921See, that's what I like to see.Show some fucking initiative, man. You don't have to take anything from me or anyone else, no matter how strong.Live or die, it's best to stand up than to lie down
>>152437926Duh, if Legions went on strike Rome was defensless.But they wont, and they will subdue the brown imigrant problem
>>152437941You wrongly assume most will do the same.Shove someone - thry will pull their head down, take their money tjey will try to do by, to avoid conflict. Compliance is beautiful
>>152437951You're the one shoving immigrants in worse conditions than actual serial killers and murderers.>>152437968You really underestimate how aggressive the average person is.
>>152438000>>152437951ALSO, ICE is not the military. It's a bunch of military LARPers given authority by a manchild.They're not the people dying in ditches half the world over, they're a bunch of moronic children who want to feel big
>>152438000They were welcomed to stay in their third world countries, instead trying to larp as a normal men, wanting a better life.As the Rock said: know your role shut your.mouth. Make me a nike shoe
>>152438017The only people dying was a delusional lesbian and a creepy jew, all by their own volition.2 less lib votes, no ones gonna cry about it
>>152438097"Know your place"This is the kind of mentality that gets people to shoot you. What will you say when someone finally has enough of you abusing them and decides to gun you down?
>>152438108There it is again.Let's assume a police officer shot you and then someone else called you a "Fat idiot."That's what you're doing. Demonizing someone trying to oppose a power that's being abused
>>152438120They are welcone to try...just dont cry when youre outgunned and with a boot to your neck.Just learn to like your submission, treat it as your daily routineAnd all will be well
>>152438143A police officer wont shoot me, as im white and i dont intend to try to stop him in his duties, you cretin.Then dont oppose the power or the abuse,duh. Youre getting abused, your compliance isnt necessary. Youre not tue tea party, youre the cell bitch. Learn how to shake your prison wallet
>>152438184>Do not rise up goy, stay downThat's how you sound. You're a quitter. A slave. You're not even worthy to breathe the same air as me, because you've already forfeited your basic humanity
>>152438209They decided you were a threat. Sorry, that's how it works.What will you say, you pathetic deontologist?
>>152438143Perfect society. And you gonna like it, bitch
>>152438228Then they gonna die, suicide by cop.Simple as
>>152438212Spoken like a filthy hippie hating law and order if your first thought is to rebel. Your silly dream from the 1960s is dying, join it
>>152438247No, the police decided you were a threat for the mere crime of "Looking at them wrong.">>152438234>People will TOTALLY never rise up against me!That's the mentality that leads to empires falling, because they're so self-assured that they'll never be challenged.
>>152438278Then dont look at them at all unless asked by an officer
>>152438269If "Law and Order" is actively leading to deaths and abuse of power, then it must be opposed.If your parents beat you, what do you do? Do you obey or do you strike back? Are you a man or a slave?
>>152438296So you actively admit that you're a coward and a bootlicker.
>>152438298>>152438312Ah here it is, the libtards going with their boots.The mere idea to obey the law.and having someone is so revolting to you faggots its comedic.Good. You will sit through Donny's 2nd term...and then 3rd one after...changes.And you will obey otherwise or be mauled...either is good. Back to r.eddit with you.
Stop arguing with the rage baiting phone poster
>>152438370Which one?
>>152438355There's "Obeying the law" and then there's actively lying down and letting an abuser hurt you.That's not obeying the law, that's Stockholm syndrome.Obeying the law is>Not hurting or stealing from others>Trying to stop people from doing those thingsWhat you're advocating for is abuse.
>>152438234Society was created by people who didn't lie down.If everyone thought your way, we'd still be living in caves.
>>152437564So does DC, tardo. It ever counts if it's random alien mooks, this is true of both sides since even Batman has done that. >>152436929Spidey has NOT killed casually before, the fuck are you talking about? God you faggots are dumb.
>>152438453That's kinda fucked up to think about
Spidey casually killed Gwen Stacy and then rebounded with the busty redhead model MJ
>>152437613>Would your disagreement go away if we replaced the word "wrong" with "insincere"?Yeah, I literally told you twice (and now thrice) that Manchester is a hyporcritcal retard. That was never the point of contention here. The point is that regardless of his personal character, his ideals, are correct. Might does indeed make right. Superman literally proves this by being mightier than him and determines what is "right". What the fuck is so hard to understand?
>>152438482That's manslaughter m8 and he regretted it every day of his life....Not like it matters anymore with that bullshit
>>152438483The difference is that Superman still chose to be kind and merciful. He didn't let that ideology consume him
>>152428166>When weak, appear strong.The thing with bluffing who you are (and in this case, making bluffing part of your way of life) is that it only works until someone calls your bluff.And there's a lot of people out there bold enough to do that. Some may not be "enough" (of what, depends on the thing you're bluffing on) to put you into any kind of trouble when they see through it, but the rest of them are and when you meet them (and you will) and they figure you out (and they will) you better have not been bluffing on something very, very important. Something that puts your life on the line.I think the "only the strong should live" philosophy falls pretty squarely into that. It's the kind of philosophy that you should live rather than just preach, otherwise it will surely lead to an early grave.>>152433273>That made their philosophy correct.I think the point of that anon's post is that that kind of philosophy is something you should be prepared to incarnate (and die for). A lot of the people who preach that, both now and then, do so not because they are actually strong themselves but because of a contextual advantage they use to push a group into submission. When that advantage isn't there anymore and the best they can do is cry "foul" to the enemy, then it lampshades something pretty cleary: the ideology itself might not be necessarily flawed, but it was clearly picked up and pushed by people that absolutely shouldn't have believed in it.
I just felt like posting this
>>152438561Thanks for reminding us that some incels wish to be some kind of nazi and that the left can't meme.
>>152438520Strength honestly exists in multiple different ways, but in my opinion it's defined as the ability to excise your will on the world.Even the act of getting up is a minor form of strength.Weakness is passivity.Sure, might makes right. But might means the mere ability to move forward
>>152438561Honestly I think I prefer the DESU VULT HUMANITY FUCK YEAH nazi larpers over the SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE FUCKS HUMAN MEN cuck enthusiasts
>>152438604>But might means the mere ability to move forwardNo, might means also the ability to crash through every wall in your path forward.The act of "not giving up" by itself is a form of strenght, sure, but unless it's followed by the kind of action that can submit an enemy or an obstacle, then it will not lead to any meaningful change outside of yourself.Which is fine I guess if all you want is self-confidence or something like that, but if you want other people to do as you say on some level, then "just keep trying" is an idea that by itself absolutely does nothing.
>>152438615>SHE LOOKS LIKE SHE FUCKS HUMAN MEN cuck enthusiastsI don't think vocal HMoFX is cuckold leaning, but you're entitled to your opinion of the camp.
>>152438561they're always cornball men too. they have superiority complex and think that they're mature from being obsessed with guns and swords
>>152438644I feel it’s both.Someone who refuses to give up is stronger than someone who is objectively stronger but does not act
I think Manchester deserved to lose because his clothing is shit
>>152426421They weren't wrong for the Might is Right part. That's just simply how the world works, for better or worse. They were wrong because the second someone stronger than them decided "hey, I'm Mightier, so I'm more Right" they immediately whipped around and started sobbing about how Might makes Right suddenly isn't fair.
>>152438790Thats a tattoo not a shirt
>>152438836I think it’s more that they ascribed “Might makes right” solely to the ability to dominate and kill.Superman chose to be compassionate while being no less powerful for it.
>>152438836Yeah they're pathetic, but their point was right and Superman proved it.
>>152438727In your dichotomy? Yes, but that kind of scenario usually doesn't happen when the "might makes right" spiel is passed around (also I don't know how you jumped from defining "might" by itself to a comparison of strength between two specific kind of people).Strength comes from action, it's impossible for someone or something that could be defined as "strong" to suddenly be passive or dormant when pressured. It/they became strong in the first place because they're the kind of being that takes the initiative and makes the first move.I know fiction has a lot of "he looks lazy/chill/too nice, but he's REALLY STRONG!!11" characters, but they're the kind of characters that only exist in fiction.The reality is that it's the dumb brute, not the mysterious twink, that is the strongest guy around.
>>152436091It's childish writing>"You can do anything you want if you're stronger"This is what the comic enforces. It's just that it so happens Superman is the nicest guy.
>>152438873Superman proved that they were liars who couldn't buy what they were selling, so no.
>>152438872This. They could use their powers to help the world a million ways, and their best ideas were just to forever keep blowing up people out of a vague sense of "rightness". Superman actually helps people beyond just punching things into pulp. He has the experience to know when he's wasting time just perpetuating violence for its sake instead of stopping the bad guys and going home. Even if the Elite succeeded, they'd have just been blown away by the next villain they couldn't beat in round one and be forgotten immediately.
>>152438891The dumb brute is weaker because he cannot think of anything to do with what he has and thus cannot influence his life.The twink may be intelligent enough to exercise his will upon the world far more effectively
>>152438939Plus, Superman doesn't give up.He might be powerful as shit, but a few of his stories are him getting beaten up and going "That all you got?"
Love to see it around the world...
>>152439077Would you be saying that if you were forced to work pointless back breaking labor with no breaks under threat of death solely so the men in power can benefit rather than you?Because that's your life in an authoritarian society.Ironic how you long for slavery while saying "Might makes right"
>>152439100Watch as Japan slowly becomes a joyless totalitarian state.
>>152439100A South Korean is what people think of when they say "Bugman"
>>152438944>The twink may be intelligent enough to exercise his will upon the worldThen he's strong too, the term "strength" was shifted to refer to something beyond physical strength a few posts ago. The comparison I made was in response to the dichotomy posted, but I'll be explicit: strong people are not, by any definition of "strength" you can give, inactive.A guy who uses his intelligence, or any other quality, to shape people or an enviroment according to his vision, is taking action. Therefore a scenario where someone who's "stronger but does not act" (the scenario posted before, where I assumed it was implied as: in a situation he wants/needs to act on, but won't) is an impossible scenario, because such a person would not be strong in the first place.Which is why I made that analogy with the twink (using it as an example of a character who barely does anything concrete): strong people may not always look strong, but they act. The guy who's actually aloof/passive/lazy is not and cannot be strong.If you want to switch the concept to intelligence, then that doesn't change the core of the argument. To tie it back to Supes: Lex Luthor is strong, and his primary force is his intelligence. Wether he has his armor on, or a red sun nearby, or kryptonite, doesn't change his core nature: he's strong, which is also why he's Superman nemesis.
>>152439185I'm just pointing out that a refusal to quit in the face of adversity is a key component to strength and without it, you're nothingAlso that image kek
>>152439138In fairness the ruling faction of the LDP wants to lessen the work burden (especially the mandatory overtime / after work parties) on the average person so they may actually have life improvements.
>>152439211That's more of a left-wing concept, isn't it? Odd. But hey, best of both worlds is always good
>>152438912Seems like what they were selling was good, they were just losers themselves.
>>152439276Not really. They were selling "Kill anyone who disagrees with me even when I'm wrong"
>>152439077Do you need someone to blame for your own shortcomings?How strong is your sense of self? Do you even have one?
>>152439276Their whole gimmick was "I'm above the rules cause I'm the strongest" only to immediately backtrack the moment Superman proved stronger and they demanded he play by the rules himself.
>>152439203>I'm just pointing out that a refusal to quit in the face of adversity is a key component to strength and without it, you're nothingThat is something I agree with. I didn't agree with the "might means the mere ability to move forward" definition a bunch of posts before. To define "might" as only the ability to move forward is what I took issue with, I can agree that not giving up against adversity is a core part of strength though, just not ALL there is to it.
Might makes right but one thing they should realize if you are an asshole to everyone even your allies will take a chance to team up together and kill you. so be strong and friendly
>>152439364Superman plays by the rules despite his strength because he respects them
>>152439433Correct.
>>152439435Yes, and Superman won the fight. Manchester Black didn't, and he and his team lost, and then broke down crying begging to be spared Superman's wrath.
>>152426421I think... I think I've got it now... after all these years I think I finally understand the message of the comicIt's not "might is right" because it's not a way of thinking, it's more a way of how the world works.OP is wrong about that. I think the comic is about not being an idiot and that you should try to be a better person, more empathetic and solidary, but still strong, a real man.
>>152439523The point is that Superman's strength doesn't define his character. He merely uses his power to protect the innocent.
>>152439538Correct. A man who is kind, understanding, and compassionate yet does not tolerate injustice and has the strength to oppose it is the best possible man
>>152439538Yep.
>>152439138I hear "normal".Enough of the cringe manga shit, bring back 70s Japan
>>152439699“Normal.”How is being a society without any self expression a normal one? You’re basically trying to destroy the idea of humanity as a species because it’s “Cringe.”Most dictators in history has ended up dead at the hands of those they oppress
>>152439699>Enough of the cringe manga shitThat's crazy coming from a comic book reader.
>>152439303Stronger than trannies that you labrador soo much and cant decide on their gender.
>>152439858Western>>>manga.Cry bout it One Piece boy!
>>152439100LARP post, Japan has been a de facto single-party state for decades.
>>152439871Seems pretty weak to me, considering that you’re basically hoping someone comes along and tells you what to do.Is that any way for a human to live?
>>152439881“Cry about it.”Considering how much manga seems to outsell western fiction, it seems that the majority actually wants a story where a status quo changes
The Jackal in Far Cry 2 honestly disproves the entire idea of Might Makes Right because he basically says “These men just take and take and take until it kills them.”
>>152439871>labradorNigger what?
>>152439881Cry about what? You siding with the faggots that ruined comics who also hate you?
>>152439979This man is a phoneposting retard who’s afraid to think for himself and has the audacity to call other people who want to express their own opinions “Sheep.”
>>152434330>Be Superman>Use my might to make sure people are safe and free of tyrannical rule from people more powerful than them so they can live their lives how they want>Be Black man>Use my might to hurt and kill people so they fall in line and do what I sayRetards on /co/ really thinks this means Superman is the same as the Elite
>>152439886Yes. The only proper way, hippie
>>152440227What kind of idiot are you?
>>152440227What if the president ordered you to think for yourself?
>>152440366What if you didnt suck trannies and black dicks?ICE ICE baby
*lobotomizes people who disagree with him*
>>152440412Thats reddit, son
>>152440404>Shifts to raceAnswer the question
>>152440437Its cute you thonk people think like that cause theyre td to, not that they vote for the guy to do what they wanted to happen.I know for libs thats a new one
>>152440553I don't hear an answer to my question.Why do you worship authoritarianism, even when all authoritarian governments have ended at some point in their leaders being killed or torn down?You think society moves forward because someone sat down and did what they were told?No, it moves forward because someone decided to break the mold and stand up, and others followed in their wakes.Totalitarianism is a glitch. A mistake, and if you worship it, maybe you too are a mistake who doesn't have a right to live, for you've chosen to forfeit what makes you a person.I pity you, and I hope you'll realize that you are a person who has the right to choose for himself when the time comes. For better or for worse, I sincerely hope that you find what you truly want for yourself.More importantly, this has nothing to do with "Immigrants" or anything. It has to do with entitlement. The idea that you deserve more by birthright rather than your own virtues. You're associating having with deserving.
Thats what i thought.Bitch
>>152440628I roll my eyes at you.
It's ironic that Manchester posited himself as an anti-fascist despite doing fascist things like killing or hurting people who disagree with him
>>152440613No.The glitch is the multi culti shit thats right now. Authoritanianism is the way to go.No woke bullshut, make the whole country like 1930 Texas. White people country, without all the shit started in the 60s.And its happening slowly. But surely.And libtards lile you will be forced to live in that country, like it or not. Authoritarianism keeps people in check and eliminates the undesirables having stupid ir unwise ideas.Say bye bye to the lgbt movement and other bullshit that makes San Francisco a hellhole. Id take germany in the 30s over 2010s US, and now pendulum swung the other way...Dont like it? Fuck off to Canada.
>>152440651Like a fag you are.
>>152440722"White people country."And you want things to never move forward again, do you?Don't you ever think "What would happen if we went to space?"
>>152440735All I hear is a child who's afraid of the idea that he's responsible for his own choices.It's not scary to think for yourself, man.
>>152428115>>152433113That's the point, retard. People who scream "muh might makes right" would never die for it because people who shout it always believe they're the top dog. They don't have any ideals, they want a shitty justification for being terrible people. They can't conceive of someone else coming along and beating them, so they immediately start begging for mercy.
>>152440775Pretty much.>Might makes right>Okay, I'm going to beat you up because I don't like how you're treating others, and I'm stronger so I can do that>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT!That's the plot
>>152440756We went to space thanks to nazis from operation paperclip. No dindunuffins needed.Youre welcome
>>152440769Yawn. I accept your concession
>>152440833We went to space because someone decided "I want to do better."Technology is nothing without the will of the individual
>>152440849>>152440833>>152440756Did we go to space? Wasn't that proven as a hoax recently?
>>152440859We did actually. Why do you think satellites are a thing>>152440833And yet, did Nazi Germany ever get to space? No, because the scientists who wanted to were crushed by the militaristic bullshit, and only by moving to a country with freer policies could they pull it off.
>>152440869Thwre was a planned space program for the Reich after the war. Nothing to do with it being free or or not.They at least provided 6 million contributions to humanity
>>152440880And yet they chased off all the actual people who could pull it off.
>>152426421>If you have the power, you should just kill villains, and if other people get in the way, you should kill them!I think you're villains and I'm going to kill you.>NOOOOO FUCK STOOOOOP!!!
>>152440911Swiped by foreign govs for not being sentenced isnt "pulled" but nice try libanon.
>>152440932Why do you think they were "Swiped?"Because, gasp, they didn't like living in Nazi Germany?
>>152440948Also, you're directly going against the idea of "Might Makes Right."If Nazi Germany was so mighty, then why did it have it's scientists stolen?Didn't you say not to cry about losing?
>>152434681Is the president elected by the military? Are the three branches of the government within the military? Are you so obsessed with being right you'll argue this wrong point no matter what?
The simple fact is, all the people seething about this story are just evil people angry at the concept of objective morality. They want to believe might makes right is the only 'correct' moral system because that absolves them of being bastards.
>>152440985Honestly, is the president REALLY in charge?Why couldn't the people in the military just decide "You know what? I'm done working for this guy" and do something else?Nothing's saying they couldn't
>>152440988I'm not an atheist. I believe in God. But institutions are not God
>>152426421>"Oi, we're strong so we're gonna impose our will on the world.">"I'm stronger than you what if I rape you?">"I wouldn't like that mate!">"Too bad."
>>152441035I FUCKING CAN'T
>>152440984Oh they were winning for a long time. Poland, France, Britain...might made right. They list once ganged on.And yet once libs see a swastika theybshit their pants in fear so i wonder if the loss was trully a loss. Time for round 2 probably
>>152440988Its more libs thinking their "option" is the only one, and thus they push it in every media for decades.Well...United Nations might fell apart from lack if funding. Status quo from 1945 is crumbling...Superman was wrong. We can go as long as needed
>>152441077It was a loss.
>>152441095What will you do when they come for you because they don't think you're a desirable?
>>152441098With all the talk of libtards about facism nowadays...was it?Pick a version, anon
>>152441131Have you considered it's because fascism is the ultimate threat to humanity?You are a useful idiot. You will be lined up against the wall and shot.
>>152441116Oh dont worry your little head about that.But they may come after you...le gasp.
>>152441150And?So they come after me. So be it. Let it fall where it may. But if they come after you, I don't want to hear a single complaint.
>>152441146Nah that would be liberal views that allow everyone in and allow mentally ill peoplendecide what gender theynwant.to be.Totalitarian regimes are here to stay, get used to it sunshine.Little man so afraid big bad nazis will come and make hom face the wall.Pathetic, libanon
>>152441183What makes you think that when Trump's approval ratings are at an all time low?
>>152441160Dont ya worry, the great irony is they wont.Maybe to shake hands to confirm the world is healing. The next 10 years in the US will be amazing.But people like you wont have to worry your little head. You dont worry bour nothing six feet under...
>>152441226The Night of Long Knives comes for you
>>152426421the problem i have with superman is why anyone would try to fight superman outside of end of the world threats any other villain is fucked
>>152441217Hmmm inheard similar story in 2024. And yet got only delicious stories of people shitting themselves morning after. I see how the rainbow crowd trembles in fear.As usual the silent majority will show results. What will you do when libs lose again or even have to accept Trump 3rd terms after law change?
>>152441274What will you do when you lose?
>>152441274Good luck with your 1930s LARP. Can't wait to see how it turns out!
>>152441277Ill have a coke and salami pizza.It's 60-40
Shit that's a tattoo
I just don't like when evil murderer man gets intentionally spared and gets to live another day, without even suffering jail time, because he weeped and cried at his trial.Think how many times Joker was found innocent of all the crimes he committed, including ones he admitted to doing, because the judges kept giving him an insanity plea. See, at that point you're propping up a corrupt and evil system, but if you fight against it, Batman and Supes will protect the status quo and let the criminal judge get away with it.See how it's a problem?
>>152429724nigga out here arguing with voices in his head
>>152441453Yeah, those judges should do the right thing.By pulling the Joker's pants down and sodomizing his pasty ass on the court steps.
>Superman doesn't kill and is a superhero that millions know and love>Batman doesn't kill and is a superhero that millions know and love>Wonderwoman does kill and is the third wheel that DC keeps half heartedly pushing when she has no personality or stories or villains outside of "I fought in WW2"It's simple. Integrity is what makes a hero. If your character is just a stat stick who doesn't have any values then they are indistinguishable from the sea of isekai light novel protagonists
>>152441582True
Next thread when?
So, did the thread ever reach the basic conclusion that murder is specifically the unjustified killing of someone and not all killing is murder? i'm not going to spend the time reading all 400 posts
>>152441582I’d go as so far as to say that it’s not even the specific principle so much as that they have them. Across the pond japs love Kamen Rider, who straight up murders goons in every episode but his first priority is still to the protection of the innocent.
>>152426421people always get this wrongright makes might.
>>152443283Empty platitude that has no real-life basis whatsoever.Thanks for bumping the thread, I guess.
>>152440165Historically speaking it is violence that has always swayed those in power. The black man is at least right about that, but you could also just use Luigi Mangione as a recent example.
>>152441453You’re just overthinking shit to nitpick instead of admitting it’s a silly comic book.
>>152443020Given the one autist that's determined to claim that Superman kicking the Elite's ass after they showed they were willing to murder him and anyone who disagreed with them in cold blood is somehow "them winning"...no. Don't waste your time.
>>152444432He won physically, the Elite won morally.
>>152444506They lost morally, anon. They got revealed on camera that they're no better than the despots that they claim to be interested in slaying by the fact they're hero killers. They're throwaway villains, and the only people who are this butthurt and adamant they "won" are contrarians who just want to hate on Superman. Cause I'm not even the biggest Superman fanboy and it's bloody obvious that they gave up the moral high ground the instant they made it public knowledge they were insecure enough to want to kill the Justice League if they went after them to avenge Superman's death.
>>152444540Considering the comic was created in the firstplace was the author's/DC butthurt of Authority's populairity wjich Elite is an Expy off, id say it was a poor attempt to paint Supes as a chad while the Elite was slandered as wojaks. An insincire attempt at shoeing Supes isnmorally superior while time.and time again his villains escape and kill again.No, id say anyone even remotely respecting Superman or his retarded values in 2026 is the contrarian. He's not punk rock
>>152444562Dude, you are using meta details to justify being pissed at the decisions of characters in-story. We're not even talking about the same things at this point, so fuck off. Cause I'm definitely not going to say this was one of Supe's best stories, but why the comic was made is 100% irrelevant to the text itself, unless you're one of those fags who whines because he wishes "the real Authority would bitchslap Superman and call him a pussy", to which I'd counter The Authority would never be pointlessly antagonizing Superman at all for the fact neither of their universes operate in a way that would make them need to, since either it takes place in DC and thus the Authority's extreme measures would be unnecessary or it takes place in Wildstorm and Superman would fully understand that the place is such a shithole that the Authority aren't utilizing such extreme measures to stroke their ego like the Elite would be doing.
The idea is you shouldn't enforce by strength but through respect and a collective desire to do better.Enforcement through strength alone just means you rule through fear and that isn't very heroic.
>>152426421Manchester Black looks disgusting--nipples protruding--in his Union Jack shirt. Very very disrespectful.
>>152444622And enforcement without strength at all means you're just passing time before the next storm, bear, or barbarian strolls in and kicks your walls down.Your people need to believe they have a fair shot at improving their lives but that's a worthless pipe dream if the next wanderer steals everything they just built
>>152444617No. Comic book authors need to learn not to sneak their personal beliefs and bullshit into their corpirate art, and i will not ignore the meta value of what they tried to convey, very poorly.The Elite won. Deal with it
>>152444706>shirtAre you sure its not painted on? Because thats what it looks like.
>>152444758You had already lost the moment you decided to basically ignore the story's contents to let your opinions on meta shit dictate your feelings. Objectively, Manchester Black challenged Superman, and cried like a bitch baby when he realized that the Man of Steel wasn't a cowardly pushover. That's the facts. Now run back to your blog and cry about it.
>>152426421Do people really never get tired of these threads?
>>152444822They do, but the mods refuse to treat them like the spam they are.
>>152426582Yeah, at the end of the day it was the people who wanted atomic skull dead, the elite just executed their wishes.
>>152429783Black being a hypcrite doesn't change the fact that he was right. Superman couldn't reason with them so he used his might to impose his sense of right.
>>152444934I find it weird that they chose Atomic Skull admittedly, if only because not only is he normally a case of someone who is legitimately mentally unfit to stand trial due to his delusions that he's a superhero (unlike The Joker who perfectly understands what he's doing is wrong), but also someone who actually got treatment in the comics and went legit for a good while.
>>152444962Being completely unreasonable and unwilling to stop endangering others does not make you right in any sense of the word, you fucking tard.
>>152433422Is because the Elite was a strawman of the Authority. A parody Supperman can beat and show he is superior.
>>152444803Nah, Menchester Black won the argument. Superman may posture all he like, his ways are wrong. Wee need another Doomsday
>>152444979Personally, I consider the Elite and The Authority separate. The Elite are closer to the reputation Stormwatch and The Authority were given by hyped up fan boys, constantly quippy sarcastic and apathetic dipshits that do nothing but kill bad guys all the time.>>152445255The amount of times you've just gone "nuh-uh" doesn't change what happened on the pages.
>>152444971It does. It happens in real life you crybaby
>>152445264No one cares about your personal thoughts of the matter.The Elite won the argument by forcing Superman to use force. He lost the moment he couldn't win by his usual means. End of story.
>>152445268I'm pretty sure you shitting your pants doesn't keep your parents from throwing you out of the house.>>152445286That's not winning. That's just proving that they're villains who refuse to listen to reason. A crackfiend who holes up in a bank and starts shooting hostages isn't winning, he's just demanding an acceleration to being shot to death.
>>152445304Showing me you have no arguments. I accept your concession and admittance Superman is a pussy.
>>152445336Dude, your argument is going "nuh-uh, he lost and you can't convince me otherwise". The Elite lost on their own terms, in a duel they pushed for, by showing they can't stay in the kitchen after demanding Superman bring the heat to them. It's pretty clear they lost, morally and physically.
>>152444822>>152444829Mods are probably the ones making these threads. Other boards have similar problems. Same threads made every few days for years on end. Arguments that have beaten the dead horse into a fine powder. Bait so stale it may as well be fossilized. But they get people to post, even if the mods, or whoever, have to recycle a bunch of posts, and getting the PPH up makes this place seem like its worth paying to buy ad space.
>>152445363And im writing you the. Author had an agenda. You may reply all day but it wont change you will always be wrong you dimwitt
>>152445391>And im writing you theBot exposed. Have a good day, Rajeet
>>152445385All people have to do is not take the bait and nor respond...its on them, retards acting on emotions
>>152445385God, that is pathetic. If the mods are that desperate, they should at least be throwing out some fresh bait.
>>152445398Not caring bout grammar makes you a bot nowadays? KekPeople dont check spelling on 4chan treating it as a toilet since 2006 at least
>>152445402You're not wrong. Responding in earnest to spam threads just rewards the people making the spam thread, mods or otherwise. But there's jack shit else to do here, so arguing the same shit again is better than nothing, to many anons. Ironically, 4chan spinning its wheels for years is exactly why people are posting less and why traffic is still getting lower, and why removing the IP counter on threads didn't really fix anything. One day, this place will simply fizzle out because it just got too boring.
>>152445434>But there's jack shit else to do here, so arguing the same shit again is better than nothingThen...dont be here? Its not mandatory to 4chan
>>152445476Don't forget. You're here forever.Again, not wrong, though.
>>152445476Why not the alternative, aka the website stops being a shithole?
>>152435357>Why youre not backYou smoothbrained ESL pajeet. Stop lying - you fuckers never take baths - and KYS.
>>152444979>Is because the Elite was a strawman of the Authority. A parody Supperman can beat and show he is superior.>>152445264>Personally, I consider the Elite and The Authority separate. The Elite are closer to the reputation Stormwatch and The Authority were given by hyped up fan boys, constantly quippy sarcastic and apathetic dipshits that do nothing but kill bad guys all the time.The elite literally have a parody of the authorities interdimensional space ship.
>>152445584Yes. And?
>>152426421i dont remember the elite saying might makes right. from what i recall, they were violent vigilantes, not "survival of the fittest" types.i could be wrong though.>>152444706>>152444793yeah im pretty sure its just a union jack tattoo.
>>152445631The closest they ever got was Manchester Black quipping "He who has power makes the rules" in his fight with Superman, which is different from "might makes right". But it's the kind of distinction that's lost on the kind of retards that starts threads like this.
>>152445672>The closest they ever got was Manchester Black quipping "He who has power makes the rules" in his fight with Superman, which is different from "might makes right". But it's the kind of distinction that's lost on the kind of retards that starts threads like this.I think the story is flawed, but from my understanding the issue with the elite is that they are reckless and kill when it was not necessary and reacted disproportionately.
>>152446211Pretty much. Most everything else here is natter by one autist who doesn't understand the story.
my problem with the story is that superman flips out even when the elite do kill people in justified ways.
