It's time to bring back traditional animation
I love 3d animationgree
>>152430008Now I rewatching some classic Disney toons about Goofy and it was done so well. I love how great they are done a subtle anatomy details while he is moving. Even when I was a kid it was very interesting for me how they are done a bone structure/muscules behind the cartoon character. I miss this thing
I would love to make tradionally animated cartoons.
>>152430008You do realize that the lion king was also done digitally?Only the lines were done by hand, but coloring, editing, and clean up were done on the CAPS Even before then, digital art was used in differing amountsLines were photocopied, a digital process, to produce multiples of the same object rather than inked since the 70s
>>152430130>something that is partially handmade is better than something not handmade at allyou’re not making your point very well
>>152430277The point is that digital animation is also handmade and a lot of things we consider "traditional" were in fact made with modern technology and has been for decadesThe lion king was not "partially" handmade, its just handmadeAnd so was shrek, people were still designing every polygon on shreks face and moving them frame by frame
>>152430752Lies
>>152430752Fuck off.
>>152430752It is true that people drastically underestimate the amount of labor that goes into 3D character animation but most of it is carried by the software
>>152430008idunno, the general cartoon-watching atmosphere prioritized coyote vs. acme over the day the earth blew up so
>>152431063Saying its carried by the software is like saying that traditional animation is carried by photocopiers
>>152431220Dang
>>152431063>it doesn't count because I don't think using a computer is REAL artIdiots like you are holding back animation more than anything else. You don't even understand animation at all, but insist if any part of the production uses a computer it's "not handmade" like a complete imbecile.
>>152431622That's the whole production though
>>152430008You don't know what traditional animation means. Here is a shocker: most of what you love was colored in a computer, or drawn without paper on a tablet.
>>152433622The look on people's faces when they find out family guy is hand drawn will always be funny
>>152431063>most of it is carried by the softwareToday, maybe, but don’t forget there was a good 10-20 years where a lot of the things we take for granted now like cloth sims and inverse kinematic sims and hair sims and facial tweening and shit didn’t exist and animators had to carefully build, skin, and then animate characters joint by joint and polygon by polygon.
>>152433753>and animators had to carefully build, skin, and then animate characters joint by joint and polygon by polygon.they still do that, they just dont have to do it for every single photon of light emanating from a light sourcebut thats not replacing something they did by hand before, its doing something they literally couldnt do by hand in the first place
>>152430008And also have be funny animal comedies as well.>>152431220The Day The Earth Blew Up did much better on streaming then it did theatrically, theaters are just on their death bed is all.>>152433681For now... Snipple could take over at any moment.
>>152433820>theaters are just on their death bed is all.Which is a shame because they really don’t have to be. If studios had more mid-budget releases coming out on the regular and weren’t just dumping everything straight to streaming after a week in the theater people would still be going to see movies in theaters.
>>152433820>Blud thinks she's part of the team
>>152430008Ok will do>>152431063Kind of compared to drawing but not really. They have different limitations, it just works completely differently as a medium. It doesn’t seem most people give a fuck about whether it’s digital drawing or digital color when yearning for hand drawn animation considering the number of beloved digital classics, it’s just about wanting more animation of drawings than puppets.
>>152433880She is, she is just as good as Bugs Bunny and Droopy.
>>152433851Covid did a number on them.
>>152433863>babysat my nephew a few weeks ago and we watched lion king>cried all night cuz he thinks i’m going to kill his dad and make myself king like uncle scar>my own nephew thinks i’m a regicidal monsterhe was right, of course, but it still hurt.
>>152433926Covid just sealed the deal, this has been a long time in the making. Studio execs are sold on this “just fund 2-3 eight-figure budget movies a year and hope none of them flop” model and so we’re getting fewer movies and fewer good movies, and the handful we do get just immediately go to streaming services a day after release now.
>>152430008Traditional animation never should have gone away.
>>152431063I don't care how much labor goes into it, it's SLOP. If you work really hard and make something bad, it's not good because you worked hard, you're just dumber than a donkey for not even getting results for your sweat.
>>152434014it never went away, TV shows are still largely 2D because 3D is still very expensive and probably will be for the forseeable future
>>152434030>I don't care how much labor goes into it, it's SLOPif something has a ton of effort and labor into it, it isnt slopslop is something thats just shoved out with little care or effort because you know people will buy it, so anything high-effort is not slop by default regardless of the quality of the finished output
>>152434036When episodes cost $6 million BECAUSE OF THE VOICE CAST they might as well invest in RTX 5090s and Intel I9 285Ks instead, because it will be a much better investment then pissing on bloated paychecks.
>>152430026People give 3d too much shit when it takes just as much effort to produce if not more.
>>152430965>>152430990How is he wrong? The wildebeest stampede was completely CGI. The sequence even used a rudimentary form of massive to simulate the run cycles and make sure the models didn't phase through one another. The Lion King could literally not exist without CGI and was fucking colored using computers. You faggots always cry about the overuse of computers while actively cheering on films that owe their existence to them.
>>152433820Why the hell is the girl from Hamtaro there? She has nothing in common with the rest of the cast.
>>152434247She has everything to do with the rest of the cast as Laura is Japan's gold standard in terms of female characters.Plus Roko-Chan translate to Crazy Girl, just like how Bugs Bunny means Crazy Rabbit in 1940s slang.
>>152433820>>152433915>>152434278Can we admit that Famicom is in the files? I'm sick and tired of his fake shit and pedo simp for an anime girl crap.
>>152434341He is not, nothing is fake with this and Laura Haruna is just as legit as Bugs Bunny and Popeye.Plus the simping for for the adult version of Laura.
>>152434454Shut up! I know you're in the Epstein FIles!
>>152434471>>152434477Shit! I replied to a deleted reply. Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!
>>152434477No, he isn't.
>>152434509You're on the files! Sorry if this thread is suddenly a stealth /pol/ thread. It's making me anxious to see deleted replies you know.
>>152434601No, he isn't.I'm not on the files either.
>>152433863>the placeholder simba is literally kimbafucking disney hack frauds. at least disney was antisemitic so thats redeemable
>>152434706>Still pushing thr Kimba mythStop being a f/a/ggot
>>152434044Not correlated. They don’t make that decision or set priorities. Artists are expected to put in the effort regardless of the job, and most of the jobs are slop.
>>152434809You're acting as if the Artists had the final say for the products produced in the 90s. Spoiler Alert, they didn't.
>>152434835Keep your stories in your own mouth, my love. I said nothing of the sort. The artists don’t have the power to decide whether the product they make is slop, but they can choose whether or not to join a slop project.
>>152434835They did, it was the creator driven boom
>>152435051Aw yes, is that why the producers were constantly telling the artists to change the story? You act like Jeffrey Katzenburg didn't exist
>>152435122Not in the 1990s, John K made sure of it.
>>152434036They're done with digital puppets now
>>152430130>yeah I inderstsnd your point, and I onow it's right, but I am compelled beyond reason to find some dimension upon which ti disagree with you. I'm simply incapable of just not posting in threads I don't like.
>>152434084No matter what, in the minds of the public, 3D animators will never exist. They may be the biggest expense in making animated films on paper, they may pull 80-100 hour work weeks for a year, but in the minds of the viewers their job was already entirely automated 30 years ago and CGI films are made by voice actors talking to graphics cards.
>>152430026>Ain't I a cheeky CuntACK ACK ACK!
>>152438163I read this in the voice of Mr Krabs
>>152433681>Guys Guys, look, a single reference pencil drawing clearly shows that the characters ain't fucking 3D flat models with mouth glap assets, TOTALLY!Okay faggot, post the rest of the pencil animatic then, mhhh?
>>152433681>When you don't realize even the one reference drawing pencil keyframe is just stock posesThen why does it look so damn flat and unnatural when they move their mouths and the shape looks so "asset" like and the speed of it looks speed up?Mhh mate?
>>152438179>He got the meme wrong
>>152433863>>152434706Nah it's more like a cartoonier lion cub from the old 50s Disney shorts with a bit less cartooniness
>>152434084Voice cast who are mostly insufferable socialist / lefties who then keyfabe about "capitalismo baaaad", no wonder things are broken.
>implying Famicom is important or successful enough to be in the files
>>152438233>>152438195No clue why you posted the same reply twice but here is a more detailed behind the scenes video https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nab6QWcfkcThese Fox shows are instructed to be retardedly on model
>>152438525Reminder that Fox could've been this 100% of the time instead of the garbage we have right now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P43dphUwpzo
>>152434030Part of Pixar's decline has to do with budgets. They plateaued in 2010 but inflation ate 1/3 of that, so Pixar films nowadays are made on a similar budget to Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs or Megamind, and moore's law can only solve things that aren't done manually.
>>152436366digital puppets which still have to be drawn the old fashioned way and then posedhanna barbara cartoons are animated the same way, hundreds of pre-made cels that are played in sequence, with unique animation being the minority but we still call hanna barbara traditional, despite that limited animation shares more in common with puppet rigs than it does with full animation
>>152438850nta but i rarely see people meaning hanna barbera or all 2D involving hand drawn art, when this comes up, its always a disney bluth or richard williams gif for a reason
>>152438941>its always a disney bluth or richard williams gif for a reasonand as mentioned earlier, disney has been using digital since the 90s and hasnt been inking their own cels since the 70s
>>152438979yeah but it’s obvious when people mean that vs when they use hand drawn to mean disney style animation cuz they are usually repeating old disney animator terminology and nowhere inherently in that technique are the assumptions that the hand drawing has to be non-digital or that all types of animation and hand drawing techniques are included, its a way to refer to that approach of animation and people lament its decline in various terms because they want it back. its always cool to learn the trivia though.
>>152439070so people are just asking for things that have never actually left and to return to a time period that has a lot more in common with today than the 1930s
>>152438525They use 3D flat models, ni different than Flash animation.
>>152438850Do you even realize how contradictory your statement is? Within the first line of paragraph?
>>152439165you can clearly see them drawing a character by hand in that segment
>>152439174>Do you even realize how contradictory your statement is?a lot of "traditional" animation is animated the same way puppet rigs wereand the rigs themselves still had to be drawn manually before use in the first placeunless when you say traditional animation, you only mean a small subsection of movies
>>152439118based on the threads people are mostly looking for more nice quality hand drawn traditional cartoons like looney tunes the day the earth blew up, mushka, and snow bear, which felt like it left because most animation is made with CG or 2D puppets like hanna barbera.
>>152438979Using digital animation for mastering is not the same as using puppet rigs then drawing naturally, why are you transposing both concepts?
>>152439181Then why does it look so bad and stiff and, you know, puppety riggidie? Was this video just PR fluff to distract? Pay attention to the actual finished animation in the show and tell me that looks properly hand drawn with keyframes and inbetweeners, look at the mouths and how the move god dammit!
>>152439189Hold a sec? Are you just a shill?
>>152430008and also stop focusing on disney so fucking much
>>152439227have you considered that puppet rigging can be used to animate fluidly and a lot of "traditional" animation can still look very stiff and limited, and a lot of them from before did, and there isnt some magic inherent quality to either technique?
>>152439227Because it's a writer show not an animator circlejerk
>>152439248Are you literally special needs stupid?
>>152439245Most of the 90s Warner films are an argument to never bring back hand drawn
>>152434030They say these films are fine because the designs are inspired by studio ghibli and aardman, but that really demonstrates the limits of stylization in hyper-detailed CGI before it gets uncanny
>>152439227KekJust wait til you find out that a good chunk of bean mouth shows are also hand drawn (Steven Universe, WBB, BCG, 2016 PPG)Rough Draft has been churning out mediocre animation for a while.
>>152439813Not the case (but I get what you're coming from), these are TV people trying to make features.>>152440076Still better that what Mir shits out of their ass.
>>152440076Now imagine steven universe if he was drawn with realistic human skin and blood vessels, as though he's a real person and not a simplified iconographic representation of a person. That's what Pixar looks like now.
>>152434159>One scene in the lion king was made with CGI so nobody should ever make hand drawn movies ever again
>This whole thread is filled with misinforming stupidity defending Family Guy puppet rigged animationAre you gonna say Rick and Morty is also drawn on paper?
>>152441441Anon, video evidence is provided ITTAlso, no Rick and Morty is very obviously riggedI don't even know why it's hard for people to believe. Family Guy has been on the air since 1999, before rigged animation hit the mainstream.
>>152441441Rick and Morty caused rigged animation, before then it was quarantined to Canada. Now TV animators get to fight the software all day just like theatrical animators.
>>152441510>Family Guy has been on the air since 1999Wait, what? I'm not joking, I thought it premiered in like, 2010
>>152441595The moment you realized that you could've been talking about Cybersix instead.
>>152439227Made-for-tv animation involves a ton of tracing from model sheets
>>152441595anon how old are you?
>>152442306I'm 15 years old. When I was a baby (just 1 year old) I crawled up to my mommy's computer and miraculously typed in a valid Visa credit card and CVV. I've been posting on 4chan ever since then.>you are now aware you are this oldMods before you underage b& food me, just in case you can't put 2 and 2 together, this is a fucking joke. Come on, use your brain first.
Leave 3D animators alone please
>>152441790Ed Benedict and Toshihiko Masuda will like to have a word with you.
>>152442817Why would making one hand drawn film after 15 years be a threat to 3D animators?
CGI caused this
