Looks like we're getting the discussion and flashback to Dead Language in Venom 258.>THREE’S A CROWD! In the aftermath of Death Spiral, Mary Jane Watson and Peter Parker have a long overdue heart-to-heart...but when the masks go on, Venom and Spider-Man have some unfinished business! And one way or another, this is going to lead to a BIG change for Venom and MJ!
>>152439068Should've been Carol
>>152439178Anon, it was never going to be Carol.
>>152439068Venom should be raping both of them every day, 24/7, all year long.
Peter looks weird, but I can't explain why.
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>>152439068One even bigger change was this morning when Ewing, Lowe, and the entire editorial team woke up with no cock and balls. Or were they even there to begin with.....?
>>152439068Peter and MJ getting back together right before ASM 1000 .. what about ASM 28?
>>152439068booba
>>152439068If Peter does something to piss venom off then I could see this being a fun threesome moving forward. I'm Not sure what Peter and Mary Jane have to sort out that the writers wont just fuck up.I'm getting the feeling the we get a "lets just be friends" for now.
>>152439068Really excited for this desu.On an unrelated note, seems like Marvel asked Carlos to stop doing NSFW art. He nuked everything off of his Patreon and deleted some Instagram posts, guess the higher ups didn't like one of their artists doing NSFW art for the characters.
>>152439068Now that the Paul era is dead, what’s next for our local schizos?>>152439810They already did a let’s just be friends thing throughout the entirety of Zeb’s run.
>>152439889Coping about Flash, probably.
>>152439780That solicit isn't out yet.>>152439810>I'm getting the feeling the we get a "lets just be friends" for now.Yeah, probably a conversation that repairs (or at least addresses) the situation and Wells run enough that by #1000, they could get back together. I doubt they'll end this issue actually back as a couple.>>152439852>Really excited for this desu.Ditto. I was hoping that the leaked Gomez stuff with them talking was part of Death Spiral, but I guess we're going to have to wait. Nearly 3 months to go. Oof.
>>152439948Flash has been getting fucked over pretty hard in terms of actually getting any appearances. I blame Bendis' shitty GotG run.
>>152439963>Bendis.The writer, Bendis?
>>152439954Probably not since ASM 1000
>>152439068Coincidence?
>>152439068The venom symbiote being with mj is alright. It works better with black cat who's canonically more possessive and thrill seeking and insecure about not having powers, I think to me though venom makes the most sense when it's a metaphor for resentful, possessive or thrill seeking impulses in the human condition. That's what Venom has always meant to me. I haven't seen much of agent venom or the other stuff. But if venom doesn't mean that anymore, I don't know what it means now. I'm ignorant of the hook that is supposed to draw me in.Mary Jane is not interesting to me as some off again on again girlboss. To me she seemed like a foil. She was immature and thrill seeking in her own way, and figured things out better after Gwen died and she worked a day job for a bit. I get that the writers want her to be more "interesting" by giving her powers so she's not just the disappointed girlfriend every issue, but I honestly just don't care about this relationship with peter or her anymore.Comics need to stop going in circles.
>>152440145Guess you will find out next month. They already did "ASM issue in Venom's legacy numbers" reference before.
Is she really dating Flash Thompson right now?
>>152440216No.
>>152440216lollmaoyou fell for it rofl
>>152440216No. She and Paul are still cohabiting (he tried to move out but his new place was bombed). Flash is one of her allies and confidantes right now since he's one of the few people who knows she's Venom, but they've only been portrayed as friends.
>>152440265Fell for what? I asked a question. I didn't post it as fact. Reading comprehension really is dipping >>152440281I just recall them getting coffee. I dont read Venom
>>152440216aside from a bit a trolling there is no indication MJ and Flash are dating.
>>152440216Not "dating," but whether or not there's some feelings there is up for debate. They kept a "coffee date," but it ended up becoming a secret discussion about Madame Masque. Flash confesses feelings, but secretly is pulsing a morse code message to her that Masque has her under surveillance. MJ *does* leave it open that maybe they can do a real coffee together later.Flash looks to have a big role in Death Spiral, and he could appear in Wednesday's issue, so while they're not an item, there's still a possibility.
>>152440145Let it be known that they are wasting important legacy numbering on their shitty ideas for Venom and that their entire legacy regarding Marvel will go down in flames as deranged degeneracy best left forgotten. I don't care how cringe my passion is or how 00's performative angry I sound, this is maddening how faggy and lame Marvel is.>>152440177The very people who have plummetted all the artistic and entertainment qualities of Marvel are the reason you feel this way. Not the characters. It shouldn't be this way that writers just decide "oh I don't like this character so I'm gonna sandbag 'em." Western comics and their inability to screen the absolute lame ass faggots who just decide to humiliate or kill characters in self-destructive (self-destructive as in Marvel hires writers who debase and devalue everything good about themselves) ways, are parasites feeding off the company.It also so happens that in this process of creating art that means nothing, they in fact, become parasites on IRL society themselves and deserve to be fired/humiliated.MJ deserves to be She-Venom just for the fact of ANV existing. But yes, I will admit Felicia's character did lend itself more to the yandere type during the 80's. >>152439852Wow I guess that must have happened right when >>152439771 happened. Remember this double standard when how they reacted to various other artists doing the same thing and never lifting a finger or Marvel's editorial making far more inappropriate remarks.
For some reason I'm expecting the fight in the next issue to end with Madame Masque walking out of the wreckage, taking of off her mask to show Mary Jane's face underneath, MJ is immediately concerned this is a clone of her, gets told no and that she should do more research on enemies, and then blows herself up.
>>152440843Why would she do any of that
>>152440862Exactly. It doesn't really serve a purpose beyond invalidating individual stories.
One of them should call out MJ for her bullshit. Venom, out of all of them should be the one to point out, "He would have waited for you"
>>152440927I wish continuity mattered because Peter has been through this exact thing several times before.When he told her about his life with Gwen and their kids it created a large rift in their marriage.Does anyone even remember Sara Bailey?
>>152440970That is supposed to be a "it only happened in his memories" ending. It doesn't matter going forward any more than various reality-warping events.
>>152441049The final page is him huddled under their tree. Background details show that what they did affected the world.
>>152441182Mini-series. Nothing they do matters. They could introduce Peter's long-lost cousin Dick Parker and he would just be killed off at the end.
Nope, not holding my breath with the animals editing these books.
>>152441284Dick Parker is great though and better than Miles.
>>152441318Even if he is a mutant whose ability is to absorb radiation so he depowers Peter to become Spider-Man?
>>152441334Hey if ol' Dickie gets more of the spotlight, I'm here for it.
Kelly not writing this means MJ is gone after QiB since we'll be the one writing ASM 1K and shows 0 interest in her
>>152441425Good. Then 1000 will forever be marred by her not being significant to the sotry and thus will forever be seen in the same light as OMD. A fake facsimilie of what came before and gives more reason for those 455 issues to be erased from canon.
>>152441425Found the Gwenschizo and his crazy conspiracy theories.
>>152441485>sotryOh, this one is also the Gwenschizo replying to himself. What a loser!
>>152441556>Everyone I don't like is HitlerKelly openly talks how he prefers BC over MJ and Peter being a womanizer, do you honestly believe he's going to write them as a couple?
>>152441646I could see Kelly getting to ASM #1000, putting them back together, and then leaving the book to someone else, so he doesn't have to write them, but gets the credit for repairing the damage Wells did.BC is never going to be a permanent love interest for Peter, since she has to remain gay for Marvel to keep using her in Pride.
>>152440409Flash is apparently going to be the only thing that stands between torment and aunt may. THAT MEANS HE IS TORMENT!!!>Western comics and their inability to screen the absolute lame ass faggots who just decide to humiliate or kill characters in self-destructive They should have Torment possesed Flash kIll Black Cat. I would force Gail Simone to write it.
>>152441567I made one typo and I twisted the schizo's words around to invalidate the idea that was being said.This is why schizoposting sucks because then it just turns into everyone baiting each other and the thread having no merit.>>152441744How fucking gay that the shit Kevin Smith indulged in is now for the exact opposite audience it was intended for and in both cases the character suffers and the subtlety of the book is lost in comparison to the 80's. FML...
>>152441815>How fucking gay that the shit Kevin Smith indulged in is now for the exact opposite audience it was intended for and in both cases the character suffers and the subtlety of the book is lost in comparison to the 80's. FML...Yep. Pretty much ruined the character.
>>152442345OK, im interested. How did Kevin smith ruin the character. You are talking about Black Cat right?
>>152439068They are on the bridge!
>>152442428And there's water under it!
>>152442410He added rape to her background. maybe drugs. Because he's a gen x stoner faggot
>>152442532She's crazy, so being raped is important.
>>152439068I really don't like these designs. They don't look like Peter, MJ or Venom. And the coloring makes this look like a cheap WebToon.
>>152442410Not only the rape thing was terrible, but it's a run that implies she's bisexual and was something for people to get their hooks into her being into women/gay now. The added trauma of being raped means that a certain very vocal audience believes she's firmly into women (outside of maybe Peter) because of how impactful that is. >>152442532Yeah, it's pretty explicit that heroin was part of it all too.
>>152442645You know, I always think things can't get THAT much worse; but they always seem to do.
>>152442632Why the hell doesn't he just quit and get paid by wealthy commissioners to draw porn? I swear he'd make way more money and create art that looks actually good.>>152442410Pirate a copy of The Evil That Men Do or get the basic summary which is just Black Cat's past gets exposed at the end of an adventure and all it boils down to is rape of her in college by some no name. Also there is molestation of a mutant boy on top of it regarding an older brother villain and Black Cat doesn't want to admit to being raped and having it define her whole personality, ironic, considering lesbianism is her whole personality now.And this is all done while Terry and Rachel Dodson draw her in the most cheesecake way possible, Scorpia gets an actual good design, and Felicia's ballast now makes everyone automatically draw her as top heavy when before she was buff and ass focused while MJ was the one with tits. I'm torn on that last part. The Dodson art is pretty good but I forget when they fall off and look like they do now.Where was I? Oh yeah, Kevin Smith was just another 00's comic writer shoving the completely wrong tone into superhero books because...le rape is....deep. And killing characters like Karen Page and Mysterio is...le shocking and Bendis? The writer? classic Smith movies are good and he was a good writer. But his comics started to show where he nosedived and got caught in the Marvel crowd of faggot hypocritical degens
You'd do well to remember Evil That Men Do was not deemed canon until MacKay.
>>152442731>And this is all done while Terry and Rachel Dodson draw her in the most cheesecake way possibleYeah up until the reveal it was a pretty lighthearted flirty adventure and then BAM!
People like Kevin Smith seem like they like comics but then always write them like they're ashamed of them. Things are never joyous with them. It's always forcing things like sex and drugs and stuff that makes it seem mature but in a way an immature person would think is mature.
>>152442703I mean, this concluded 20 years ago, so it's not like this is a modern development. >>152442737MacKay fucked her character sideways maybe more than Smith. Felt like he had his cock in his hand doing yuri shipping the whole time. That said, I have no idea if he was the one who pushed her gay or if someone at Marvel decided they had to do it. >>152442731>>152442754I can't totally blame Smith for writing to *shock* because that was the late 90s/early 00s for you. Doing stupid edgy shit was still seen as "mature," for teenagers who were more or less like "this isn't for kids! It has DRUGS and RAPE." Smith's whole gimmick, even in his movies, was about how much he could shock. And I say that as someone who liked him as a writer/director back in the day.
>>152442849I'm not saying Smith needs to be demonized. I'm just saying I am as equally justifed in being totally dismissive of him past that point because he just had shit taste or gave into that macro-level trend of that time and didn't care about the character history. But also Marvel didn't give a fuck about any of the qualities of their product and why people liked the books so yeah...again editorial deserves all the hate for just saying all books were in the 616 and it didn't matter. From how that story sounds of Meltzer actually being forced by DC to put rape in his story, if Smith revealed the same, I wouldn't be surprised. But stuff like Chasing Amy makes me think he got tricked or wasn't stopped by editorial because they all have shit taste.
>>152442645Felicia being bisex is on Tom DeFalco back in MC2 Spider-girl, actually.
>>152443430Alternate universe. Doesn't count the same. It'd be like saying MJ in 616 is bi because she's bi in Earth-85.
>>152439068>>152440409Marvel just keeps laughing on marywhoretards faces
>>152443436MJ is Bi or Gay in like 7 or so universes at this point
>>152439068Male body she venoms are a blight
>>152439068God it's so weird knowing that bridge in central park is where my ex-fiance gave me a handjob and we nearly got thrown out(it was winter so not many were around)((nearly thrown out because a squirrel dumped nuts in her jacket and we had to dig them out but park crew thought I was undressing her for sexual purposes))
>>152439178fpbp>>15244452969pwp
>>152443790All the writers hate MJ so what else are they going to do.
>>152443430Why would black cat being bisexual be a problem. Are there not other reasons she and peter wouldn't won't work?
>>152444920Peter and Cat solved their issues decades ago so Marvel has to force them into stupid shit like how they're too stable and healthy to work That's how bad these comics are written
>>152444956What is the point of black cat at this if she is just going to be quirky chungus good guy? Where is the edge to the character? And if Mary Jane isnt going to be a wife to peter and mother of his children what is the point in keeping her around?
>>152445072Bi character who always has to be a available for pride events
>>152444852Another polack fanfic
>>152445072There stopped being a point to any of these characters long ago. It is somewhere between "still our best selling character" and "if we do a bunch of random crap, maybe a movie will pick it up".
>>152445072>What is the point of black cat at this if she is just going to be quirky chungus good guy?Anon, she became a hero after everything was said and done with Peter. She was with the heroes for hire and a reserve avenger. her story was done. finito. And then OMD happened and they needed her to be the bicycle of the Marvel universe.They literally have no idea what to do with these characters.>And if Mary Jane isnt going to be a wife to peter and mother of his children what is the point in keeping her around?Sales to bait Peter/MJ fags and the harem fags with their "3 great love interests" variant covers
>>152439068If its not in ASM it may not matter. Then the solicites form ASM in May, June etc may just kill any hype for it. I wasnt going to pay for it regardless. Its a great cover though.
>>1524451732 great love interests and Norman's toy
>>152445338Black Cat isnt a great love interest
https://aiptcomics.com/2026/02/10/joe-kelly-amazing-spider-man-part-1/
>>152440177its because it feels too safe/too poppy. There's not really a horror or risk element to it. The tone feels too light. I'm all for her being Venom, but there needs to be better risk to it.
>>152445524>“The first arc was to set up Peter’s biggest fear really, ultimately, the sphere of loss and where it comes from,” Kelly said. “And that’s why we did the childhood stuff and set all that up with Hobgoblin. And then, of course, we make him lose everything with Hellgate. It’s like, let’s see what happens when his worst fear comes true.”So that was what that supposed to be about?
>>152445539Mary Jane is desensitized to that from all the things in her life. If you kill a dozen people in front of her gruesomely she wouldn't flinch.
>>152445524Maybe it's because writing styles have changed so much but damn a lot of this rings hollow. What's been published doesn't really match what he's saying. At least to me.>Peter fears losing everything he loves and experiences that loss with Hellgate tossing him to the other side of the universeExcept it never comes across like that. It just feels like another contrivance stacked up on others. This was the sort of thing that sent Peter into nightmares and made him experience delusions. Made him pull away from the people he loved in a false sense that he was protecting them. He would run away and hide in the mask of Spider-Man and have schizophrenic monologues about his life and the way things had to be.But here you've got Ben living his life as Aunt May spells it out for you that he does this from time to time. Nothing is actually of Pete's doing as he's basically on vacation.
>>152445443NoShe's the best love interest
>>152445753She really isnt. Making her anything other than a BPD "Trouble" was a mistake.
>>152439954>Yeah, probably a conversation that repairs (or at least addresses) the situation and Wells run enough that by #1000, they could get back together. I doubt they'll end this issue actually back as a couple.Yeah I reckon the same thing besides knowing them them they even if they were to make them a couple again they would just break them up again soon after.>>152441567Do you have any idea how stupid this makes you spider-man fans look like? let me ask you this if things are going so well for your fanbase then why is it you feel the need to go beg people to read the orginal/stan lee run of spider-man comics? I guess things are not going so well for you spider-man fans after all otherwise you wouldn not be making these would you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9FhgIGVVKA&t=5s
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>>152439068venom is the nortubel of marvel
>>152445695I turned out he always had less than nothing and was better off getting rid of what was dragging him down. Earth is doing just fine with Norman Osborn watching over it.
>>152446374Norman Osborn is a HEROGwen Stacy is a WHORE
>>152445695A poor excuse to write GOTG for a while.
>>152446573Basically
Did anyone archive Carlos' Patreon stuff? Can't find it on the usual places.
>>152439068>>152439068I expect nothing (and will still likely be let down).This has been a pretty consistent pattern since 2022 and I am just tired... I honest to God never thought I would grow weary or resentful of 616 MJ but holy shit I just am sick of the carrot and the stick dangling over her and Peter and wouldn't even be opposed to her being benched for a few years as the Queen in Black or something because I am so fucking fatigued of the cycle bros...It feels like she only exists to make Peter and readers miserable by treating him like shit since Dead Language and I am tired of it.I WANT to have hope but I have trust issues now.
>>152446471sins past is not canon.
>>152445072Queenpin era happened back in 2013/2014ish due to Superior Spider-Man where she was a one dimensional pure evil cunt that was just pretty much Rule 63 Kingpin for like 6 IRL years because Otto punched her in the face in Spidey's body and was still an unreasonable bitch holding a grudge even AFTER everything was explained to her and nobody enjoyed that and largely try to memoryhole it.
>>152447956fuck off
>>152439068Peter will say something like like "You should be with Flash"
>>152447803Gomez is saying as if something will happen.Anon, you know that was just wells (and the infinity writer) no one else writes her like that
>>152448448piss off.
>>152448456Huh why that reaction?
>>152448497Because it's the Polish schizo having a melty again.
We might be back for real this time fellas
>>152448497>>152448507I take you are busy doing videos like this i which you beg people to read spider-man comics. You fanbase is falling apart only truly desperate people do such shit.>>152445967
>>152448583No.
>>152448610Lol, saying no like a whiny brat doesn't change anything.
>>152448647Go do more videos in which you beg people to read spider-man comics. by all means go waste your time as the fool you are soon you will be the laughing stock of all.
>>152448610What do you mean NO?
>>152448734>>152448709How are those vidoes coming how many have you made so far in which you beg people to read the orginal spider-man comics.
>>152448685>The schizo has completely lost it and now thinks everyone is making videos.What causes this level of retardation?
>>152448785The fact you posted it on youtube is bad enough sinnce that can be treated as advertising.
>>152448803But, I didn't make a video. You are just being retarded.
>>152448819But you will make another and soon.
>>152448867No? I never made a video nor have any plans to. You need help.
>>152448885Yes you did and you will make more I know people like you.
>>152448893Nope, I never made any video and I doubt the person who did posts here. You should go to YouTube and bother the actual creator there.
>>152444920I hate to sound like a broken record on this topic, but it's not so much the in-universe issues about her being bisexual, but about how the big two write and treat bisexual characters. It feels like higher-ups at Marvel have identified BC as their big shot a queer character, no one else really qualifies as popular enough. Because of that, we've already seen them tear her away from Peter to put her with a woman she's so deeply in love with, and jump through hoops to justify her pursuing women in Pride specials without Peter involved. Not to mention she just saw him get punched into space/disappear weeks ago, and it took her mere moments to forget he's gone, ask out Night Nurse, and sleep with another woman.It's clear Marvel has an edict out that she needs to be available to be with women at all times. Which means outside of comic reasons, she's just not going to get with Peter, otherwise they'd run the risk of the bad trope that bisexuals are cheaters or can't be monogamous.
>>152448885>No? I never made a video nor have any plans to.Help you say do you see carol, thor or X-Men fans in which they make videos ion which they beg people to read their books. No only spider-man fans do that I think you spider-man fans are the ones who need help.
>>152448939What?
>>152448935bug off.
>>152448942Exactly what I said youi spider-man fans are truly fucked in the head go seek psychiatric / Therapy/Self-Help now.
>>152448968I don't speak retard, now stop spamming the thread.
>>152448911The creator tends to be a spider-man fan and thus that means you since you are a spider-man fan.
>>152448991>The schizo's retardation has hit new highs.
>>152449045Bull
>>152449067>You're a Spider-Man fan and as we all know there is only one Spider-Man fan in the whole world so you must be the one who made the video!That's what you sound like. You are undoubtedly the biggest retard on the planet.
>>152444920Black Cat tards will never accept that she was never meant to be end game and never ever will be end game. It's annoying at this point. >>152445072She's supporting cast, you dumb fuck. She doesn't need to have constant drama, just be a character that can be pulled on for various stories
Feliciafags are so pathetic
>>152439068this is the only kiss that matters
>>152448583Carlos should know better than to reply to someone that illiterate
>>152449134the fact that it exists at all is bad enough that's fucking advertising something and that is just plain stupid.
>>152449189Um...tough shit?
>>152449134Unfortunately it will only encourage others to do more of them they will get the wrong idea that they can get away with anything and that they are unpunishable.
>>152448939What about us, are you still running your posts through five layers of translation
