>Nobody buying it>Nobody talking about itWhat happened? Didn't you guys say this was exactly the kind of heckin spiderino story you always wanted?
>>152499286>nobody buying it>nobody talking about itAnd yet it sells better than the mainline books??? WTF
>>152499378>mainline: has cool and innovative NEW stories about Paul Rabin is trying to molest Eddie Brock’s son>Ultimate: has the same old SLOP where Peter Parker is married to that WHORE MJ againHow come Amazing kept on losing even though they had an industry powerhouse like Paul on their side???
>>152499286>check top selling comics for 2025>only one single issue of Ultimate made it, and just barely (47th place)Holy mother of flopsNot even Hickman and his new Ultimate verse could stop this shit from flopping, kek
>>152499516Should have had Paul!
>>152499516it's genuinely impressive how not even the biggest name in all of marvel and not even the hype of the rebooted ultimate can get people to give a shit about ultimate spidey
>>152499516NOOOOOOOO OUR HECKIN BEARDARINO PETERINO IS NUMBA WAN
>>152499286I can’t believe this books triggers Jews, Mexicans, and Polish so much.
>>152499591Nigga there were eight Marvel books at best in the top 50, and the only other Spider-Man book was the number 1 relaunch of ASM. USM is still outselling that shit.
>>152499636And the pedophiles! The pedophiles seem to hate it the most.
>>152499640you are coping hard. this shit had insane hype in 2024 and everyone was giving it the benefit of the doubt because it's Hickman. once everyone realized it wasn't very good that shit dropped like a rock in sales.fucking no one talking about it on LoCG either
>>152499675Facts don’t care about feelings. Marvel killed its better selling Spider-Man book to prop up a failing one.
>>152499698>Facts don’t care about feelingsWhich is why ultimate is flopping hard
People only really liked it because it was not mainline. It began with a bunch of hype. Then Ultimate universe lost momentum and went no where. Hickman is also cursed with Marvel constantly cutting his plans short. Editorial literally heard mainline creators complain and shot it in the foot.
>>152499746It’s literally ending. >A durr how come it’s not getting da big num-numsBecause it’s ending. They killed it because the old guard felt bitter and a little territorial.
>>152499835Mentally ill cope. This shit flopped throughout the entirety of 2025, nowhere near its end.
>>152499787Nick Lowe and Tom Brevoort were always bitter about it and always bitter that it outsold the mainline. They’ll never forgive the fandom for making them look stupid. If it sold well enough, but not as well as ASM, they wouldn’t have killed it out of spite.
>books entire selling point is that peter is married to mj>boring as fuck>harry osborn, ben parker, and j.jonah jameson get more character development than the character the book is titled afterwow its a surprise the book didnt succeed it had all the markers of a really great comic series
>>152499869>i-i-it was a conspiracy! They killed it!Fucking kek
>>152499866All of Marvel flopped in 2025. Ultimate, and ASM, were the only things doing any numbers.Marvel shot themselves in the foot because Quesada’s Death Cult got territorial. Not they got nothing to compete with Absolute. They murdered their own momentum because they didn’t like being proved wrong in their precious ICV2 sales charts.
>>152499885How’s ASM been charting? There was the big Issue 1 relaunch and then… fuck all! And it’s staying that way. Sales are going to spike at a thousand… and then after that dwindle to fucking nothing because it’s the jumping off point.
>>152499905You're flip flopping your narrative. You claimed it flopped because it was ending, when that isn't remotely true. No you're claiming it's because marvel flopped, yeah because dogshit like ultimate spiderman wasn't moving books lol
>>152499878How do you develop Peter without retreading old ground? I mean I have ideas but the premise of Ultimate just needed to display this development through using the kids more which is kind of the biggest wasted opportunity.
>>152499866>The Marvel Intern is back and seething because the sales brought in by Ultimate aren't transferring over to the shit mainline comics.DCChads won, Intern.
>>152499933Nothing was moving books. Note, no X-Men books into the top 50, despite Tom Brevoort being adamant that he’s some kind of fucking genius. Face it man. Even if you want to screech that Ultimate wasn’t going well enough… the mainline was still clearly doing worse.
>>152499965>Nothing was moving booksYeah because Ultimate Spidey is dogshit.
>>152499975>Amazing Spidey is dogshit.Fixed it for you.
>>152499975Then mainline X-Men was clearly BIGGER dogshit, and USM was the least dogshit thing they had.
>>152499286I'm so glad this shit crashed and burned kek
>>152499949>How do you develop Peter without retreading old ground?considering this Peter went through his entire young adult life as a normal human in a world of super heroes and was given powers in a mystical genie-in-a-bottle-esque situation where he's told his life is greater than it actually is, you could do a lot without retreading old ground or touching stories that have been told already using the concept of a powerless or adult peter parker. you mean to tell me this guy felt as if he was meant for something greater his entire life and then one day a super genius billionaire playboy appears out of nowhere and confirms his suspicions and gives him super powers and peter is just like .... "yeah this is just another day!" really?
>>152499994Don’t reply to yourself.
People picked up the first issues on the promise of married Peter. Then the issues started focusing on other crap, had that stupid real time gimmick that skipped over things we needed to know or wanted to see and it's just not a great comic
>>152499885I'd believe it. Tom Brevoort is one of the proponents and architects of "anger sells" mentality at Marvel. Aka, pissing off fans means we are doing something right. Something Brevoort said himself.
>>152500038Giving X-Men are falling apart and not a single X-book made into the top 50… im starting to think Tom might just be an arrogant retard.
>>152500038Every low IQ retard turns to cope like that when they get BTFO like ultimate spiderfags were so I'm sure you believe it
>>152500080His "anger sells" comments were more about the 00s period primarily. The 10s were the complete refutation of his ideas as people became utterly burnt out proving his comments about anger were wrong.
>>152500114And yet they still do it, it's almost like Marvel is ran by petty, fat retards.
>>152500100It's not low IQ cope to say that most creators are egotistical neurotic viper's who constantly attack and belittle each other over very little. His anger sells comments were public. I don't have a dog in this fight and I don't really care about Ultimate Spider-Man, I just think the other anons comments about Tom are very accurate to how he has behaved. This is the same Marvel that nuked Hickman's plan for Krakoa because the other writers staged a coup and were eating well and the editorial facilitated this process.
>>152500142so true, it's always someone else's fault when you get btfo
>>152500194>it's always someone else's faultI never said that at all. I'm simply criticising the people at Marvel. Are you trying to defend them or something. It's bizarre.
>>152500114SO WHY DOES HE KEEP DOING THIS SHIT?IS HE RETARDED? HOW MANY FAILED X-MEN BOOKS DOES THE STUPID FUCKER NEED TO SPAM OUT???
>>152500208He really doesn’t like that USM was killed before ASM ever had the chance to outsell it.
>>152500114And yet it’s how they still continue to operate
>>152500337Sure, I was just providing context. It isn't even a double down at this point it's just them hammering the same things.
>>152500277Really does seem like OP is someone at Marvel still upset over USM doing better than ASM for the most part
>>152500100>>152500194So whose fault is it that 90% of Marvel is still BTFO by Ultimate Spider-Man then
>>152499286Absolute Batman dicked the whole ultimate universe in every hole.
>>152500950OP is joe quesada he came to bully us he reads /co/ every day spider bros he can't keep getting away with it
>>152499787Hickman’s plans always get cut short because they’re so fucking longThe idiot has had like 15+ years to adapt to most runs barely ever hitting double digits yet he insists on making 30+ issue arcs that all interconnect and lead up to some pretentious pile of shit that means nothing At least he’s an okay dude, can’t really hate him for who he is. Just his awful writing
>>152501476Yep. His avengers run could have been half as long and literally nothing would be lost
>>152501476What's funny is many of his more recent plans would have been much shorter but they still cut them short. Krakoa would have been half the time and actually criticised the cult shit rather than glorify it.
>>152500000Nice get and based post
>>152499516no way LMAO
>>152499286>What happened?They injected it with a poison they knew would kill the brand.
Po-Polish? Poland? Gwenschizo? Paul Rabin is Polish? POLISH! POLISH! AHHHHHHHHHHHH >runs into traffic, flips a car, steals a hot dog from a confused pedestrian mid-air and shoves it into my ass. POLAND POLAND POLISH PAUUUUULLLLLL >Gets hit by a car, gets up, punches the driver, yells “YOU CAN’T HURT THE POLISH SPIRIT!” >moonwalks out of traffic. screams:PAUL RABIN WILL RAPE DYLAN BROCK AND ITS ALL THE GWENSCHIZO’S FAULT!!!>Punches a random old guy.GWENSCHIZO IS A POLISH PEDOPHILE AND WANTS DYLAN TO BE RAPED BY PAUUUUULLLLLL!!*Shits on counter*>PAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLL! POLISH GWENSCHIZO>Launches self into the multiverse to spread the word.PAUL RABIN IS A SICK FUCK WHO WILL RAPE DYLAN! THE GWENSCHIZO IS POLISH AND AN ILLITERATE RETAAAARDDDD!!
>>152500000Ah yeah I agree. Nice quints. I just wanted to play devil's advocate because I just wanted better supporting cast material than the shit with Black Cat. But Peter is lacking too. Man...entertainment now has to contend with so much shit that is way better and densely packed while now everyone is being forced or has been brainwashed to think decompressed shit is good. I mean old shit can drag too but I dunno, out of the few overstimulating messes of shows/movies, there are a whole bunch of dragging, plodding garbage shows that outnumber them. Back to old media I go.
>>152502670Based. I expect the full script and screenplay by next week. From there we will start principal photography with the actors I selected and the PSA on how harmful unchecked editorless comics can be, will be up in a month.
>>152499286I just refuse to buy comics that give the characters soibeards. Refused to buy Adams’ aquaman for it and I don’t buy any FF where reed has a beard (or Johnny a gaystache). I also think it was just too different. People want ASM if OMD never happened. Not shit like uncle Ben being alive. Literally nobody wants that.
>>152499286It's because everyone is a cardboard cutout of themselves except Harry and possibly Benom. It's just so boring and there's no consquences to what Peter does, just moving around. The main couple is boring, Felicia and Richard are a nonsensical ship that goes back and forth between Richard being a retard and Black Cat being a traitor with no ripercussions.
>>152499286Stupid real time gimmick killed it.
>>152499286uoh young May ToT
>>152499905Quesada’s Death Cult?
>>152499286it was, until they announced the universe was ending, nothing mattered and *hey, miles is better* crossover.
>>152499286We found out it was just going to be temporary and tossed away once it was over and interest was promptly lost.
>>152499286A Hickman comic has initial baseless hype, then flounders and leads to disappointment? Damn, who could have seen this coming?
>>152499905>They murdered their own momentum because they didn’t like being proved wrong in their precious ICV2 sales charts.It's funny because if you look at the other ICV2 charts like the graphic novel sales for comic shops and the partial Bookscan lists they have, Hickman's USM is a consistent seller for them since last yearIn the comic shops that use Comics Hub the top performing Marvel TPBs/GNs of 2025 were:Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) vol 1Ultimate Spider-Man (2024) vol 2Marvel Premier Collection Vol. 1 Daredevil Born AgainUltimates (2024) vol 1It's Jeff: Jeff-VerseUltimate Spider-Man (2024) vol 3Ultimate X-Men (2024) vol 1Secret Wars (Hickman version)Marvel Premier Collection Vol. 3 Fantastic Four Solve Everything Books of Doom vol 1Aliens vs AvengersUltimate InvasionUltimate Wolverine vol 1Predator vs WolverineMarvel Premier Collection Vol. 2 Captain America: The Winter Soldier Marvel Premier Collection Vol. 4 Civil War Uncanny X-Men: Red Wave (start of Gail Simone's run)Predator vs Spider-ManUltimate Black Panther vol 1Some will try to point out that ICV2 only tallies retailers that use ComicHub, which is true. But ICV2 also listed the top 20 selling superhero books of 2025 based on the 2025 Bookscan sales list; Bookscan as you know covers the vast majority of bookstores and places that aren't comic shopsThe top 20 superhero books were:TMNT: The Last Ronin HCAbsolute Batman vol 1All Star Superman (DC Compact edition)Daredevil: Born Again (Marvel Premier edition)Batman: Hush (DC Compact)Ultimate Spider-Man (2025) vol 1Batman: Court of Owls (DC Compact)TMNT: The Last Ronin IIBatman: Year OneSupergirl: Woman of TomorrowAbsolute Superman vol 1Absolute Wonder Woman vol 1Watchmen (DC Compact)Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Marvel Premier)Batman: The Killing JokeTMNT Lost Ronin: Lost YearsWatchmenFantastic Four: Solve Everything (Marvel Premier)
>>152499378>>152499286Ultimate Spider-Man #1 2nd Printing R. B. Silva ConnectingUltimate Spider-Man #1 3rd Printing 1:25 Marco Checchetto Virgin VariantUltimate Spider-Man #1 3rd Printing Sara PichelliUltimate Spider-Man #1 4th Printing Blank VariantUltimate Spider-Man #1 4th Printing Marco ChecchettoUltimate Spider-Man #1 5th PrintingUltimate Spider-Man #1 6th Printing Marco ChecchettoUltimate Spider-Man #1 7th Printing>RELEASES MAY 26, 2026Ultimate Spider-Man by Jonathan Hickman Vol. 4: One Last Day TP
>>152503684May cunny will be the real lasting legacy of this comic.
>>152499286Usm is the best selling marvel book what? And there's still threads. But bait threads should be ignored>>152499516>only marvel trade that sells >one of three marvel comics in the list still and one of two that isn't a number 1Anon you wouldn't be omitting information for your post would you
>>152505622Its less that USM isnt a sucess, and more that absolute is too big a sucess, and not announcing its ending gave it the market.
>>152505250Cute!!
Now that the run's almost over the marriage deadenders finally caught on that Hickman never had any intention of writing a "family man Peter Parker" stories. Just depressing politics and a guy who rarely actually wins and feels like a supporting character in his own book.
For me it was the horrible pacing choice of doing one issue = one in-story month that doomed USM, It made it so everything had to happen super fast and huge chunks of time and stories were just skipped.People wanted weekly / bi weekly / monthly adventures of Peter and family doing superhero shit, not for it to all be glossed over to get to the ~real story~. Though this is also an issue I had with the recent Absolute Wonder Woman where they just glossed over like a bunch of villains she fought and plotlines she had that we're obviously supposed to already know about from the good old days that I guess everyone has read already? USM was like that but non-stop.
>>152500080He was always a retard cause anger sells might give a quick boost but it fizzles out quickly
>>152504385>USM is the only recent Marvel book to make the top 20The first mistake was the real-time month gimmick, the second mistake was canceling the only Marvel comics anyone was buying.
>>152506818Hickman and Momoko were done and the follow-up pitches were apparently incredibly disappointing. It'd just be a repeat of the post-Ultimatum Ultimate books.
It's doing so bad that..it's still selling wellhttps://bleedingcool.com/comics/absolute-batman-ultimate-spider-man-most-anticipated-titles-this-week/
>>152506933Disappointing pitches hasn't stopped Marvel from publishing slop before.
>>152507052Given that this is an AU and they've been in this situation before, it's far easier to pull the plug.
>>152499286The "One issue = One Month" format doesn't work. It gives characters no time to breath, every issue's individual story feels incredibly rushed, and there's too much off-panel progression happening.
>>152505622>only trade that sellsAnd it's sales year over year have collapsed. It isn't selling anywhere near what it was selling in 2024. Actually good titles like Absolute DC keep getting more popular every month.Your brain is truly rotted and full of diarrhea to somehow twist a massive decrease in sales = alshually usm won
>>152507366It won over the rest of Marvel. Which is the thing that the Marvel interns really don't want pointed out.
>>152499286Nothing short of ignoring and not reprinting the last thirty years of Spider-Man comics can gain the favor of fans and we need at least a decade to forget about the last six shitty Spider-Man films
>>152499286It's as milquetoast as it gets. Superhero comics should be exciting.
>>152508962In comparison to most of Marvel's mainline output, it's exciting
>Ultimate Universe is launched to bring in new readers and try out new ideas>Spiderman dies and is replaced by a nigger>Actually he is alive again>Nope nevermind he and the entire universe are being deleted>Actually he is alive again and so is the univese>Except he isnt Spiderman>Except he is againAs someone who doesnt read much superhero comics why should i care about any of this?Why should i invest time and effort into a story that just meanders aimlessy into around?I love the Sam Raimi Spiderman Movies and i read a bunch of other comics but whenever i try to get into Superhero stuff i always lose my interest They introduce some brand new crazy status quo shift like Doc Ock dying of cancer and stealing peters body but it always ends the same Nothing ever happens every change is reversedThe only thing that does stay consistent is that new browns are introduced to replace the old characters
>>152509086The end of the original Ultimate universe(1610) has Peter alive again and with the Ultimates but somehow the heroes are goneCates, the writer that originally intended to do something with his idea went into a coma and couldn't follow up on his plans so Hickman made a new Ultimates universe(6160) Basically you're conflating 2 different universes on the assumption they are the same based on naming convention
>>152509086You gotta stop stressing about "muh continuity" and focus on individual story arcs, a Raimi Spider-Man movie would be around a 12 issue run for instance. These titles change authors, artists, and such often enough that there's no point in reading 1000 issues back-to-back like it's One Piece, the shared universe just gives an author a bigger toy box to play with.
>>152499286Turns out people only read Spider-Man for the misery porn and constant costume changes.
>>152499286People DID buy it.Also they delayed the last two issues, of which only one has yet to come out still and Ultimate Endgame #1 spoiled the ending anyway and the real ending is going to be a one off epilogue to Endgame.
>>152509639A thing that Marvel editors are well aware of. Only self-inserters think otherwise.
>>152509254>You gotta stop stressing about "muh continuity" and focus on individual story arcsits just hard to care about any one arc no matter how good it is if they reverse everything that just happend Also having a bunch of different writers and artist come in every few times just makes the characters more bland and shizophrenicThe characters are all reduced to their most superficial characteristics with no real depth to them because the next writers comes in later and undoes all the characters growth
>>152509675>>152509639Cope lmao
>>152509639That's not true at all though as it beat the pants off ASM and was one of the few top selling Marvel books of 2025
>>152509979>Sales fall off a cliff after the first few issues>only one single issue made it in the top 50 of 2025 and just barely at #47lol
>>152510026Thanks for agreeing with the statement. I thought this was going to be a whole thing.
>>152510056>plutonium grade cope
>>152509639>>152509675ASM isn’t misery porn you dumb niggers
>>152499286When it became clear Absolute blew the Ultimate universe out the water and Marvel was already looking to end the line. People were more willing to admit that the new Ultimate line, Ultimate Spiderman, etc etc. Wasn't that good outside of trying to distract you from the quality and stories of 616.
>>152510098I accept your concession again.
>>152510139Lmao
>>152499286>You get to watch a married Peter learning to be Spider-Man>hold on, his son is also Spider-Man now>have a Harry issue>off-screen kidnapping>Want Peter being Spider-Man? No way. Have Gwen being mysterio.>Ock is also Spider-Man now for some reasonThe book had one job, and it decided to focus on literally anything else.
>>152510239Really goes to show the Marvel employees in this thread are upset that their anti-Ultimate narrative isn't working>>152507636 is right
>>152510380>I KNOW ITS YOU JOE QUESADA STOP GANGSTALKING ME
That one made the steak quesadilla really upset
>>152499286
>>152510860
>>152510819Looks like the Marvel employee got triggered again since he's resorting to wojacks
>>152510860>>152510872Marvet knew they Fucked up with Paul but refused to change course in ASM. So they stuck the Marriage in USM, where it is clear hickman was interested in other aspects of spiderman. The top selling USM book in 2025 was the Gwen/Mysterio Reveal. A decent amount of People want a good Spider Man title with Peter and MJ, Marvel clearly doesnt.
>>1525108722025
>>152510945yes i'm aware of the drop the comic industry has become a batman industry. please see >>152510918
>>152510955No need to get upset over facts
>>152510955>more copelol
>>152511000what cope? USM fell of becuase hickman was focused on anything but Peter and MJ.
>>152511016USM was damage control
>>152509254>You gotta stop stressing about "muh continuity"Then if nothing matters, why should I care at all ?
>>152499286Peter/MJ fags are just loud as hell, there's not actually that many of them.
Ultimates is just a big NOTHING. It didn't give writers enough creative freedom to get weird with the material like DC's Absolute line. Winter Soldier Wolverine was fine in concept, but that X-Book is kinda undermined by the Peach Momoko X-Men book. Spidey was just "here's a concept we're not going to flesh out because its told in real time".
>>152512788>It didn't give writers enough creative freedom to get weird with the material like DC's Absolute line.They did have that freedom, this is what they did with it.
>>152512619Are you retarded? You seem really retarded.
>>152511624I remember people constantly trying to use Muh Continuity/Fuck Continuity/etc as a way to defend subpar comics and I think they never thought it through what someone wanting to read stuff would want.They insist the creators should matter and not the characters/story but don't get that it's because of the characters/story that the reader also cares about the creatorsMorons insisting on dismissing the complaints as just "muh continuity" also start going "Why aren't people getting into comics?!"
>>152499286>Nobody buying it>Nobody talking about it>A hundred times more active than Dan Slott's nu-BND thread, which fell off into archivesruh roh
>>152509254>You gotta stop stressing about "muh continuity"Comics are a balancing act: continuity shouldn't be a straitjacket, so tight that nothing could happen but neither should it be so loose that nothing feels like it matters.I definitely think that old audience were more accepting of one and done storytelling because that is how most media was. Nowadays big overarching plots and fear of missing out anxiety is used to make people feel like their media they watch needs to greatly build and intently matter; so much so that they can't just enjoy a simple adventure. Comics now often fundamentally fail because of structure. Every new creative team wants to undo things, big huge calamitous changes that make it hard to care. Who cares if someone makes a great character when someone else will brutally kill them off? Yes, comics are by many creators but the illusion that it's all one story used to sustain it more. Now each creative team is so extremely different that it has harmed the creative ideas people make. The multiplication effect of bigger, crazier changes makes it harder for people to enjoy a simple story or good character arc. There is a lot of entrenched problems and the "don't stress" attitude doesn't really change these issues.
>>152512943that garbage is a glorified movie promo, I don’t think even the most ardent of slott fags give a shit.
>>152512810Did they really, or are they just that creatively bankrupt?
I read the final issue of Ultimate Spider-Man. My reaction: "....So that happened". That's the entire run
>>152512968It was an AU, they could do whatever they wanted. And they did. Deniz Camp certainly had fun.
>>152499286Because Absolute Spider-Man is betterer.
>>152512981Does Otto die?
>>152512981Post pics or bullshit
>>152509254Not focusing on continuity is how the big two are so doghsit>>152509639It still outsells asm, anon. Its just that absolute sells more
>>152499927it's been dropping slowly, but since they don't put out unit sales any more, it's hard to say if how much it dropped or if it just got bumped by #1s and one shots. in september, #11 was the 5th bestseller despite being $8 and #12 was 14th at $5, but by december it had dropped to 18 and 26, but there was 5 one-shots ahead of it, so it's unit sales might not have moved that much.the weird thing is that i would have expected the peter in space story to regularly outsell norman is spider-man or vice-versa, but they switch a fair amount
>>152499286I literally don't want Marvel to exist anymore as a company, why would I support them in any way?
>>152513033>they could do whatever they wantedThey couldn't. There's a reason why Ultimates is far and away Camp's shittiest comic.
>1 issue in 4 monthsIt was good so the Spider office sabotaged it. I know they did. They hated seeing a good Spider book that people actually liked so they talked to someone or they did something to kill it, it was them. Spider office ruined Ultimate, I know it was them. I just can't prove it
>>152512943>active>thread is just coping usmfags while everyone else laughs at you retardskek
We can agree that Hulk Goblin is the worst design iteration of the character, right?
>>152515506no the worst one is Tony Starks Iron Goblin armor
>>152515524So yes, the Hulk Goblin is the worst design iteration. I agree.
>>152515464>Marvel employee can't cope with Slott being less popular than USMI accept your concession again
USM leaks?
>>152515506Nah.
>>152499286I never said that
>>152516211Could share them but I don't want to no real point since issue 24 is the final for the series so bug off
>>152515313Do you have any direct proof to back this up?
>>152517119Read.
>>152517823Okay.>>the concerns people had were shared by editorial. I heard that, and it was my decision to make the book like this anyway. It's to their credit that they let me. I deserve all the blame for it.The guy himself said he had nearly-full creative control over the story he wanted to tell other than the real-time aspect that was established before he got on the book. He accepted the gig knowing that was the case.
>>152502998Based.
>>152499286didn't they cancel this
>>152502998>>152518506cringe
>>152499378>>152499429
There were multiple issues of this Spider-Man comic where Spider-man wasn't on a single page.
>>152511624You don't engage with fiction because it "matters" and to follow a "continuity" unless you have autism. You engage with fiction to entertain yourself and perhaps to learn from them.
>>152517000You should give it to us you fucking pedophile.
>>152518586Can't keep the Paul down! He's joining the X-Men! That's right, Gwenschizo's favorite character is jumping to Gwenschizo's favorite comic! This is such a good time for him, I bet that pedophile is thrilled!
>>152518656Thinking that caring about characters, story, and continuity is just autism and shouldn't matter is a sign of corpo slop-brained thinking
>>152519105Please be true
>>152519105honestly that's a hell of a coincidence for a schizo of whom has story-timing x-men as one of his exploits
>>152499581Send Paul to DC
>>152504371If he were a horse we'd take him behind a barn and sell him for glue
>>152519180Which goes to show that the schizo is some Marvel employee trying to farm for engagement
>>152519180>>152519226He was trying to set up the groundwork for Paul in the X-Men. Think about it he loves Paul, he loves the X-Men. Marvel plans out storylines years in advance. He was always their sleeper agent, meant to shill both Paul and the X-Men, in preparation for Paul permanently joining the X-Men and cucking Cyclops with Jean Grey.
>>152518656>You don't read cape books for continuityFound the casual
>>152519213Marvel could have prevented this years ago.
>>152519259No severance except heads from bodies
>>152518013>the real-time aspectThere it is.
>no ultimate PaulIt's this, really
>>152519611ultimate Paul is just Peter
>>152519611If that's the cause, ASM would've outsold it even once. Paul was the reason USM eclipsed the mainline.
>>152519259>with severancelol, even roflmao
>>152519322That may have come from Hickman. Either way, Camp was excited about it, didn't see it as a negative.
>>152499286at the end of the day you still gotta have spider-man do spider-man stuff in your spider-man book and nu-USM was boring because it was just a slice of life family drama with spider-man stuff happening in the background when it should've been the other way around.if i wanted to read this kinda thing i'd rather read wayne family adventures or re-read rebirth-era superman.>>152509254>the shared universe just gives an author a bigger toy box to play with.NTA but fuck this noise. i'm so sick of crossovers and i want spider-man in his own universe at this point.it's been 17 years since we've had a TV show (and 12 years since we had a movie) where spider-man wasn't part of some team, has sugar daddies or a bunch of other spider people and as a result spider-man gotten to the same levels of convoluted bullshit of x-men.
>>152519086First of all you accusing me being of a pedophile which I am not is one of the reasons I am not sharing it here. Secondly it does not have a satisfying finale/ending quite the opposite really the ending is quite trashy total rubbish truth be told. I found the whole thing a total snore so I am not going to waste my time leaking a truly shitty book.
>>152499286finna storytime this bih
>>152519735it’s kind of funny how little effort the spider-family has. Where did Miles’ powers and pre-wakandan gear come from? Who cares. Gwen and her father abandoned their reality to slum it up in 616? Who gives a shit, she has a black boyfriend. Silk is “The Bride”, the true chosen one spider totem? How about she joins Gwen’s band. Also all of them need training by Norman Osborn for that sweet sweet synergy dough
>>152519833Thank u.
>>152519833Waste of time the endimg is quite disappointing not worth the time honest anons.
>>152519896scanning right now so give me time >>152519898marvel employee detected. cats out of the bag sonny its too late
>>152519896He is not leaking the book anon and neither am I now bug off.
>>152519905>marvel employee detected. cats out of the bag sonny its too lateI hope you have your tissues with you for you are going to need to them it does not give you a good ending but it will make you cry and in a bad way.
>>152519905Gotcha.
>wake up>Gwen still deadIt’s a good day to not be Polish
>>152519905>scanning right now so give me timehahaha yes by all means go post the shitty/bad ending hahaha I truly can't wait to see the looks of spider-man fans once they see it it and they will cry for you and I both know how it ends hahaha.
>>152519962I have just about had enough you people you are going to need a new thread real soon,
>>152520003>>152520019>>152520032>>152520046*SNAP*
>>152519962>>wake up>>Gwen still deadAs is peter's and MJ baby killed by norman osborn unironically the day may come yet when Gwen Stacy is restored back to life but nothing will ever bring back peter's and MJ baby back to life.
this one has a lot of pages so its taking a while
>>152520084Dead baby do you think norman snapped her poor neck? I reckon he did.R.I.P.
>>152518656If I want to learn from a book, I ready essays and such.You're not supposed to "learn" from comic books past 10 years old.
>>152520116anon it's waste of time we both the ending is bad now bug off or you people truly will need a brand new thread real fast not joking.
>>152520154is that dragotta
>>152520122the baby never existed after OMD.Gwen, however, died after fucking every man on campus. And Peter forgave her murderer, as she would have wanted.
>>152520154>Gwen got murdered again by a Celestial after realizing how much of a WHORE she is.Kek. GwenFags can't stop losing.
>>152519821This is why everyone hates you. You're a fucking killjoy, and a fucking pedophile. You could've been funny, or good. But you chose to be a PEDOPHILE.
>>152520168Except it did. OMD is just an illusionary world. Mephisto doesn't have any actual powers. The Beyonder himself confirmed it long ago.
>>152520168okay buddy you asked for this since you love OMD so much then yoy will now get it. Gwen never did anything wrong and she sure as hell did not deserve to die. besides it was MJ who peter to make the deal with Mephisto ans she was the one who left peter for paul.
>>152520213Gwen also hated Spider-Man and blamed him for her father dying. She never would have accepted Peter and anything to the contrary is cope. What do you even like about her again?
>Both schizos are hereOh my god bruh.
>>152520195No I am not and that why this thread will soon bre dead nobody likes to be accused of something they are not.
>>152518656The only thing I learned is Breevort and his gang shouldn't live.
>>152520237I thibk she would have had peter simply come clean with her that he really was Spider-Man. I really do think they would have worked out there differences had he just be honest with her.
>>152520310This is pure cope.
>>152520310Well you’re wrong. And an idiot. Which is why Gwen is never coming back, lol
>>152520320is it really? I guess you never bothed to read the what if stories. Do yo wanna what the funny part is some of those what if stories are now canon to 616 take general ross foe example he did become the hulk after all.
>>152520330I really do think she will be back and soon now maybe in the 90s peter and MJ made a good couple but fast forward to present day and they are are now seen as the worst par.
>>152520320>>152520330Not him but it's canon she's forgiven him since so there is cause that she would have eventually opened up after the reveal. But he effectively destroyed what little family she did have and getting back together is another thing.This is the sort of thing that should be explored in an AU but never will.
storytime in 5
>>152520376Well, the one where Gwen magically forgives Peter is pure fanfiction. She hated Spider-Man and nothing was going to change that. What If? Gwen was just weak-willed, 616 Gwen would have ran to Jameson with the truth of who Spider-Man was.
>>1525204335 minutes?
>>1525204515
>>152520427Spider-Gwen is thousands of times more popular than her. Gwen Gwen is known only for dying. It’s never happening.
uhh...storytime anon? is it still happening? dont leave us hanging
>>152519841marvel clearly wants what DC has with batman and the batfamily but doesn't really understand why the batfamily works and the ways that marvel has to actually make a spider-family work they're not really interested in doing because it conflicts with whatever vision they have with spider-man.
>>152520490Paul killed him. It’s Paul Over.
>>152520437What about general ross becominf the hulk in 616 is that fanfiction also? what about what if peter's clone had not died surprise surprise he turned up alive in 616 after all. Don't you get it most of those what if stories were meant to become canon soon or later only told in a different
>>152520514>That moment when Paul's face gets blown off next issue, revealing his true form.
>>152520457No.
>>152520535bug off.
>>152520557I'm waiting for the USM storytime. So...no.
*SNAP* I guess.
>>152520568you are going to need a new thread for that one,
>>152520591Nah, we can do it here.
>>152520574>Mary Jane survives, untouched >Gwen is eaten by Carnage and replaced by a clone >Tony Stark’s atheism ensures the clone is accepted as the real deal (souls do exists in 1610, it’s not her)Dumb fucking Gwentard
>>152520597by then this thread will be dead.
>>152520624You wish.
>>152520601I will you what is truly dumb you thinking that OMD will ever get undone
>>152520629Really anon think for a moment see how fast this thread is going,
>>152520607I would pay money for Marvel to do this. I would buy an issue for every regular of these shit threads, all twelve of you
>>152499286There's a new Ultimate? Why?
>>152520681not new really.
>>152520639>unpopular story hated by general audiences>vs >extremely popular story beloved by general audiences, shown in feature films and cartoonsat a certain point these people are going to retire. Anyone with memories of Gwen is dead and gone. But MJ is the most popular for a reason.
the state of this thead.
>>152520591>>152520624i was planning to make a new thread. 5 more minutes
>thead
>>152520728thucks thead and phead
>>152520708No they will not OMD will remain canon my true regret is that OMD did not end differently what i mean is the orginal ending was to have Gwen stacy be restored back to like and she would still be peter"s GF. Maybe had they stuck with that maybe brand new day would not have been such a bad thing.
>>152520726you keep saying 5 minutes you sound like a broken clock i don't buy that you truly have the book.
>>152520760nope.
>>152499286The book got hamstrung hard by the real time gimmick. Genuinely one of the biggest blunders of all time. Completely skipped over Peter becoming Spider-Man and actively stopping crimes, immediate and prospective fan favorites like Ultimate Shocker lost all potential for proper screen time, they had to be quickly jetisoned out of the Ultimate Sandman plot to keep up with the time scale, and stories like Ultimate Kraven just kinda got really awkward due to the timeframe of things. Then the latter half clearly suffered because oop we can't do anything of consequence because we have Ultimate Incursion and Ultimate Endgame coming up.
>>152520769They had just done the Gwen is alive stunt 2 years earlier with House of M.It's probably what gave Marvel the confidence to finally pull the trigger on OMD since the reception to Gwen was so strong.
>>152520668As would I Gwen being the punisher could be somewhat interesting.
>>152520782i posted proof here >>152519833
>>152520844Oh how mad he makes spider-man fans.Paul: I am the downfall of spider-man how much do you truly hate me?
>>152520825Oh no no no Gwenbros
>>152520859>i posted proof here >>152519833not proof of anyyhing pretty sure you can find this if you google search,
>>152520884>pretty sure you can find this if you google searcha literal picture of me holding the issue? oh ok bud. i took a few minutes to pee and make a sandwich but im about to make the thread and you're not invited
>>152520901anon you can find pics of people holding books if you look hard enough
>>152520914when it turns out im telling the truth i want an apology
storytime thread - >>152520964
>>152520976I knew you were a fraud and by he way making fake threads against the rules.
>>152520269You're a bad person and an evil little creature. You should have a part of your brain removed so you can never hurt innocents ever again.
Kill Hickman NOW.
>>152499286>Nobody buying it>Nobody talking about itLiterally two threads simultaneously and /co/'s most prolific child molester, Gwenschizo, can't stop having a seizure every time someone mentions it.
>>152522042Why? Damage is done.
>>152502570Injected with a poison!
>>152525367>Under Akira Yoshida's leadership...Marvel has TERMINAL CANCER.>Oh yeah? Under Akira Yoshida's leadership...Marvel...is going to slowly....DIE.>You know...you know what you have to do, don't you?>And now someone's going to take it away from me? Someone gave cancer to the house of ideas...>Oh I'm starting to feel it now...it's...starting to feel goooood. >*cums in expensive pantaloons* >"This is weird!">The House of Ideas is going to die. Marvel has cancer because of Akira Yoshida.>Heh. Akira's gonna kill it!...and the kinda cancer he gave the house of ideas is the...ssslllooooww EEATING kind of cancer. It's not quick. >I'm not gonna let Akira Yoshida kill what I created. ME.>THE HOUSE OF IDEAS IS MINE. MINE. I CREATED IT. I'M NOT GONNA LET AKIRA YOSHIDA KILL what I created. Because I'M GOING TO KIIILLL WHAT I CREATED.>I'M GONNA KILL IT. I'M GOING TO KILL MY CREATIONNN.>I'M GOING TO IINNNJJJEECCCHHTT THE HOUSE OF IDEAS WITH A LETHAL DOSE.....OF VENOM.>IF ANYBODY'S GONNA KILL MY CREATION....I'M GONNA DO IT.>ME....AND THE EMMM CEEE UUUUU...
>>152520449ah yes, the famous Gwen accessories>school book>binder>rolled up newspaper>Mary Jane's severed head
