How do you like your character deaths in comics, /co/?I like the detail with captain marvel where the skurlls honor him with a metal for being a great rival to them, it's a nice touch.
>>152549117Permanent.
>>152549117I like deaths to be well written, I guess. I like them to be impactful. A lot of my favorite comics have pretty impactful deaths.
>>152549117Hot take but I think it's fine if 99% of characters never die because 99% of character deaths aren't good. There can still be fake out deaths or vague deaths. Or characters created for a story to die. Everyone else can stay alive.
>>152549117Permanent but also actually have weight. A sudden death in crossover events almost always suck because you know it's gonna be reversed or it never has the weight it should. Remember how Aqualad was killed in Blackest Knight then replaced when lots of other heroes living & dead were fixed?
>>152549422That's supposed to be a hot take?
>>152549540I guess. Anon is admitting to being a rube being subjected to hack writing.
>>152549447Did the same to girl Firestorm and the current Hawkgirl. Frankly I'm surprised Wally West made it out unscathed given that the whole thing seems like it was a big nostalgia fuck reset.
>>152549117Imagine being on your death bed and seeing every big name in the universe appear in your room at once
>>152549595He didn't. They tried replacing him with black Wally in New 52 first. It was only with Rebirth they tried course correcting making things more like New Earth. Even bringing in the literal New Earth Superman to replace New 52 Superman. And don't forget Wally didn't "come back" without a hitch either. Remember Heroes in Crisis.
>>152549631Blackest Night was before the Nu52.
>>152549655You brought up current Hawkgirl so I figured you were talking about current Wally.
>>152549117Long and hard.
>>152549117Not to happen. It's so cheap now that even if it happened to a character I like, I wouldn't be able to care even if it was well written.
>>152550562If that's the case, you really shouldn't bother with ongoings anymore. If their deaths wouldn't matter, why should their lives matter?
>>152549540Characters not dying lowers stakes and there have been some iconic and well done deaths. Removing something like death in comics for the most part might remove needed tension. For a lot of stories in various mediums, death is a big part of storytelling, especially those with conflicts and violence. But a lot of stories have endings and don't go on indefinitely like comics. When Superman died it was one of the biggest things to happen to comics and various other deaths have had massive reactions from readers. I remember when Ultimate Peter Parker died and it was a big deal even though he wasn't the 616 version but that's also because a lot of people didn't know there was a difference. When Captain America died during Brubaker's run that was front page news. But nowadays even the big deaths don't get that much of a reaction because everyone knows it's going to get undone. It's more of a surprise when a character dies and stays dead for years. Like Alfred. So really just getting rid of character deaths for most of them might as well be a thing.
>>152551241>When Captain America died during Brubaker's runAnd fuck us Cap fans who spent years waiting for a comeback because of a shitty run, right? You literally described it as clickbait without realizing."Stakes" aren't crucial, fun is. Colossus and Nightcrawler both died as heroes, with proper weight, which usually isn't the case since 2000. Those were proper stories that happened, then they came back, we had our cake and ate it, too. (Though those two stayed dead for far too long, as a fan. They're among the characters that should always be core X-Men.)It gets too boring when comics become a nail-biting experience to see who dies next, that should be put to lines like Ultimate or whatever. When every writer wants his "Death of Gwen Stacy", it kinda ruins the experience with the characters' supporting cast. Do characters even have proper supporting casts that aren't other supers these days? Marvel shot themselves in the foot big time when they started getting rid of secret identities. I remember when I was watching "My Hero Academia" and every arc ended with a narration going "I had no idea things were about to get worse", and it just felt like an Ultimate comic, too angsty.
>>152551241>It's more of a surprise when a character dies and stays dead for years. Like Alfred.Most people just stopped caring about the superhero comics for the constant shock schlock among other things, that's why.Hell I hate to defend tom king, but apparently it was supposedly an obvious fakeout hallucination, but didio, being the didiot that he is, made it stick. So if true even the (famously hack) writer thought it was stupid to kill him off.
>>152552499>And fuck us Cap fans who spent years waiting for a comeback???Cap lasted death less like a year and since the beginning was framed as a setup in all comics. The only one that didn't get the memo was JMS in hos Thor book.
>>152549117Permanent is good. But sometimes, some deaths get way too much screentime. Back when Jean Grey died, not knowing they'd bring her back, her death was pretty lame. It had all this preamble and contrivance, then she died in a melodramatic fashion, then more melodrama after. So poorly handled, I don't get how people still call it good.
>>152553851That's why weight needs to be the first priority. If a character's death has no actual weight to it then it's just an annoying pause button on them.
>>152553851I honestly think this was just Claremont projecting his own seething at the death decision into the book. The guy never wanted Jean dead, just depowered, and he wasn’t shy about seething through his stories. Pretty sure the entire reason Pryor exists is so that he could continue with his planned Jean story that never was.
>>152553051Almost sure it was at least 2 years just with him dead, and they hammered it home pretty hard, months just of "who's gonna keep the shield", Tony talking to his corpse, teasing with a skrull I think? etc. I'm not even sure brubaker knew he was gonna do the "time displacement" bullshit before they did it to Batman.And when he came back, he still spent a while not being Cap, then he was just too old etc, I know they were several years in a row when it sucked to be a Cap fan.
>>152553962I agree.>>152554664That makes sense.
