Seems like even the most seasoned veterans are "Looking for Work"...
>>152558388>this is the America /pol/ voted for
I will say the obvious no one will sayExecs are not approving or making shows now, even if streaming can handle the cost post-cable, because they are anticipating AI becomes developed enough they do not need animators to make full length shows, and they do not want to be caught paying for them and not waiting the few years they expect AI to take over all show development. Of course AI cannot make anything consistent over 10 seconds so that is a boomer pipe dream that will not materialize for a long time if ever
>>152558436why do boomers love AI so much
>>152558446Cuts cost and don't have to deal with unions
>>152558446even Walt Disney wanted robots as employees all the way back
>>152558388>What happened to all the animation jobs?stolen by east asians willing to work for pennies
They put out too many flops and the audience left, pretty straightforward.
Millennials made a bunch of cartoons that were completely unmarketable and too embarrassing for actual kids to watch since they were about their personal traumas and feelings, so kids stopped watching cartoons and watched funny stuff instead.
>>152558388The artists are waiting for them to come back
>>152558436The plan is to plug an AI script generator into a Rick and Morty themed GoAnimate clone
>>152558446Boomers are mostly amoral sociopaths so of course they love the idea of digital slaves.
>>152558407This but unironically
The industry is pretty on the nose about the state of animation
>>152558407>brainrotted by /pol/
>>152558388Lack of appeal to the public.
>>152558388The whole entertainment industry is fucked. Is this what 6 years after a stock market crash looks like?
>>152559520Nah the Great Depression was half of the golden age of animation
>>152559541Hell 1939, the Golden year of Hollywood, was right at the tail end of that
>>152559541>>152559641So if traditionally entertainment does well during depressions, what's causing the malaise?
>>152559866Also, could it be these entertainment corporations weren't as large as they were in 1939 and are now much more risk averse?
>>152558446Because they hate artists having opinions and want them to be subservient apolitical drones just like the slaves in overseas sweatshops.
>>152558407Swiggity swoogity I have a question for you tumlbr niggities- why do you think you deserve a job drawing with your gay little tablet, when you don't even know the basics of the kind of pen to paper animation that Bakshi did in the 70s?Dude seething about AI and then forgetting CGI totally put puppetmakers, masters, miniature designers, physical paper animators etc. out of work.Maybe doodling shit on your ipad like a baby while living in LA was in fact always a transient 'profession'.
>>152559942Being a political artist (outside of literal political strips) is good enough reason to wish for their destitutionTry spreading fun instead of conflict and hatred over petty transient bullshit. Why should I support Dana Terrace if she posts memes wishing for the torturous death of millions?
>>152559968>haha you're all getting replaced by computer generated imagery>HELPPP!!! COMPUTERS ARE GENERATING IMAGERY!!!!!
>>152560050Pyw or you're a /permabeg/
>>152559942>want them to be subservient apolitical dronesThen why has everything been woke shit for ten years?
>>152559541 they had a walt disney studio that valued investing back into the medium
>>152560050Why didn't they just market AI generated stuff as "CGI 2"? If they did that, half of the board would've cheered for it. Half of the animation community would've cheered for it.
>>152560153I liked Steven Universe.
>what happenedAdvertising died, cable died, streaming never became profitable by itself.No money = no production = no jobsThe fact WB is being picked apart by two vultures who themselves will soon be picked apart should be a major tell.
>>152560297I feel like at any time, all these big streaming corporations could collaborate and change back to a traditional cable format, but they choose not to. Would the change make people mass unsubscribe? Would the world really end if people don't get immediate access to anything at all times?
>>152560359They're not going to do that because having a streaming service turns a media company into a tech company and tech companies don't have to be profitable for the stock price to keep going up
>>152558446They are enamored with the idea of being able to push a button and slop comes out>>152560153DEI and Blackrock money
>>152560359>Would the world really end if people don't get immediate access to anything at all times?The problem is people are so used to the ease of access that they would probably stir a bunch of shit if it was fully taken away from them. Streaming might be fucking awful when it comes to profitability but for the average consumer it's the new norm. Even now they're struggling to keep subscribers because they keep jacking up the prices and atomizing the userbase with competing streaming services. I just don't think it's viable to ever put that genie back in the bottle, they're stuck with it.
>>152558388Tech and game companies were hit even harder. Thousands of people laid off every month. The rich get richer and the poor get laid off.
>>152560436And it's no surprise tech has become shittier/more expensive and gaming just the same. The enshittification of everything is growing tiresome.
Truth is the union totally beefed it and a ton of long term protections went away in favor of short term benefits during the negotiations a little while ago. On top of that the streaming implosion (most of this shit doesn't make money back, its all investor capital) meant there was essentially a bubble that burst. Lots of networks over extended and contracted, so internally they don't have as much money to throw around and are being mandated to be stingy with budgets.As someone who was working in this industry for a while, AI and Streaming is only half of it. Truthfully, it wasn't a profitable industry for a long time and a lot of the liquid assets going in and out of it was hollywood accounting (ie money laundering). The stuff that makes any money back is the shit that five people make for 50 bucks. On top of that, truthfully, a lot of union gigs were probably overpaid for california wages. It was bound to catch up eventually. I know a lot of people who would crucify me for saying maybe getting the rates we were getting paid wasn't sustainable, but there's a reason most productions are either going foreign or east coast: Cost of living's cheaper, rates are cheaper too.I'm lucky enough to have enough digital skills to be able to juggle some corporate freelance on top of independent freelance, but a lot of old timers were hyper-specialized in the corporate pipeline for animation and got left in the dust. They just don't bring as much to the table as some jack of all trades that can be a 2d-3d generalist and won't balk at doing what used to be 3 different jobs in 1. Its a good market for young people doing startups and a really bad market for old timers looking for health insurance and steady office job benefits.
>>152560492>We don't need 50 episodes for the first season like all the other "hits", we only need 5. It's called a minimum viable product. It works on venture capital firms, it'll work on children.
>>152558446It lets them all be Ben Garrison
>>152560549Unions will always fail because their purpose is to perpetuate problems rather than solve them. Don't get me wrong, forming a group with the intent to solve problems is a great idea, but calling it a "union" and having it exist in perpetuity will result in a second corporation who will do everything in their power to collect dues and maintain power.
>>152558446They want to avoid paying people and maximize profit for themselves, even if their industry dies because they've gotten rid of everyone except the execs and the one guy they pay to do prompts.
>>152560549I'm a complete outsider but I can't imagine everything being centered on fucking Commiefornia is healthy for any industry and that goes beyond just animation. God I live in Virginia and I already expect things to get progressively shittier now with how much bullshit they plan on passing to emulate that shithole
>>152560549The union rates were fine when there were a handful of multibillion dollar cartoon franchises coming out every decade
>>152559436>brainrotted by epstein>>152558446Because they are evil.normies/old people are still running on the 2010s silicon valley-worship assumption that anything related to technology is progress and good no matter what so they must support it, and also because they are evil.
AI replaced them all. Why pay millions of dollars for animation when a computer can make this for free?
>>152561772You already got made fun of when you made a thread using thisYou're not gonna get any more supporters now
>>152560549>shit that five people make for 50 bucksIs this a real example? Or are you just saying small budget stuff, because I'm pretty sure the indie film festival pipeline isn't what it used to be.
>>152559968do u want people to draw your cartoons or not
>>152561970People don't need to draw them anymore, thats what adobe character animator is for. Or AI.
>>152558388All the jobs dried up in anticipation of the Animation Strike back in early 2023. The strike lasted way longer than expected, and it came right off the back of the Actors and Writers Strike the previous summer which already fucked over the studios in a really big way. So after having two really fucking bad years and massive revenue loss, the studios stated canceling projects and tightening their belts. Which animation is always the first thing to go in bad time. Now three years later nothing has improved at all and the belts are still tightened.
>>152558446Combination of things>Management is fucking wet at the thought of automating entire departments of labor for a cheap automated service and want it real bad. >Most boomers consider themselves to be that "Management" and want to maximize all income at the expense of all labor, fuck the costs, fuck the jobless. These are the fuck over their kids for a nice RV generation.>Boomers grew up in the 60s and 70s when "Art" was basically gay drug addict communist Andy Warhol types taped bananas to walls and splattered paint on things. so anyone calling themself an "Artist" is clearly some little wine drinking faggot that refuses to get a real job.>Boomers also grew up in the age of Space Race technology boom and genuinely want any shiny new thing to succeed so one day we will have those promised Moon Bases and play golf on Mars.
>>152558407I voted for it.The less pozzed troons making self-insert gay space rock stories the better.
>>152558446They want to bring back their childhood. The dark age of animation. Its just like millennials being nostalgic for 90s nicktoons but cheaper.
>>152560549The union going right into a strike a few months AFTER the Writer's Strike while there is already zero work around so they had no bargaining power at all was just plain stupid. Jobless people begging for scraps cannot meaningfully strike at all. It was insane.
>>152560549Half of that is the studios demanding employees work in their studios in downtown Burbank and Glendale. Where apartment rent begins at $3K a month and there is no such thing as public transportation. Their boomer tendencies to micromanage and demand everyone be in an office within them really worked against them. Especially since the digital age and internet existing meant all animation work can be done from anywhere. But studios are run by clout chasers playing the Hollywood game so they must be based in Burbank. Making it impossible to pay employees any less than $110-130K a year, which is still poverty level there.
>>152558436>>152558446Almost all business is run by Speculative investors and all decisions are made to please investors. Not any customers or executives.
>>152561970I don't consider literal artfags to be people.
>>152562100Imagine willingly ruining your life because you hated watching Steven Universe. That’s a level of anger I aspire to.
>>152562154Next they'll make a low effort flash cartoon called "Smoke and Mirror"
>>152562162Do you want them to be drawn or not you stupid retard?
>>152558388Well other that the obvious, according an an anon who was a WH employee and held a AMA here, he said that he and many of his colleagues got hired through social media rather that portfolios and applications. the fact that you sort of have to make yourself noticed through external means in order to get a job probably doesn’t help the lack of them.
>>152562183How is my life being ruined by trannies getting rights taken away and illegals being deported?
>>152560050I'd rather real artists that aren't brain rotted leftists.
>>152561748Epstien hated Trump and funded leftwing shit as well.
>>152562250Your life was already ruined long ago
>>152562250Unironically how were those two demographics affecting you? I keep reading reports from different agencies and the biggest talking points from the right seems like nothing burgers. Trannies are a teeny tiny amount of people that make almost no difference except being annoying online mostly. Illegals take shitty jobs no one wants but everyone cries about it. The biggest negative i saw was that they can clog up hospitals but that was mostly in big blue cities that you people hate anyway. So whats the big issue? Why are you guys always so mad at nothing?
>ON animation shut down>Nelvana shut down>Wildbrain shut down>Technicolor Group shut down>Dreamworks and Paramount shut down domestic studios and went to 100% outsourcing >Cartoon Network and Nick on life support >Netflix cutting back and canning 90% of their projects
>>152558388Every industry is collapsing because the money all needs to go to the top. Infinite growth and all that.
I think I'll eventually buy into the theory that seething elites really didn't want kids to have good things during the past time periods where it was the most possible to create them. Whatever good things happened only happened through sheer force of luck and energy breaking them through. Now no one has to exert any top down influence to ruin things today because it's already degraded enough.Why was television animation never used to make better use of the work of novel writers of past decades through more adaptations? In those past decades, there were some book writers whose creativity and skill ran laps around basically anyone else, in the context of their target demographic they were selling stories to. It's not like television animation ever had that much financial logic going for it in the first place, you're telling me no company or group was capable of figuring out the logistics to make more adaptations happen? In the richest country there was no way to brute force enough changes? Why did my kid self never get to experience something like an animated adaptation of the Bartimaeus trilogy, only for bullshit like idk Loonatics Unleashed and My Gym Partner's a Monkey to take several up timeslots instead
All it'll take is one real hit show to kickstart another gold rush but they can't do that. The industry is against everything that has historically made a hit, they're more interested in making the cheapest flop possible.
Internet fooled an entire generation believing we could have everything without paying anything.So we spent the last 20 years watching stuff for free, which meant no income, no investment, no production, no risk taking, no incentive.It was a slow death in the making we the Millenials are all guilty of.When they realize Gen Z will resent us for this the same way we resent Boomers for the debt they left us because they also believed in free stuff (but from the State this time).
>>152562352I had to lose major financial opportunities on Homestuck and Undertale because they required accepting lgbtq and lived in complete destitution for a decade as a result.
>>152558446It's not the main reason, but I'm pretty sure a good handful of them straight up hate artists, so anything that can replace them and/or fuck them over is a good thing for them, that way they'll be forced to get real jobs, like accounting or dying in a war.
>>152563465Even if you ignore everything related to art, all they talk about is AI wiping out all of the middle level jobs. How is anyone supposed to buy the products of corporations when no one has money
>>152562755at least when one happens they’ll come running back for a piece of the pie
>>152563442That’s the projection. What really happened is internet wealth fooled a generation of people with leadership responsibilities into believing they were entitled to take whatever they want from other people for free instead, and forcing AI is merely another desperate effort to preserve that status quo.
>>152558388>AYE EYE TOOK ER JERBSLearn plumbing, clean dishes, take up trash, pick fruits, join an assembly line, get a real job and most importantly grow up.When your hands will be rugged by actual work maybe you will come back with art grounded in reality worth watching.
>>152563442Bandai uploaded it's Gundam shows on youtube to be watched for free. People watched them, they got hooked, they bought tons of toy robots, and Bandai made bank. If people couldn't pirate Gravity Falls or Steven Universe or Nu-Ra or Velma then they wouldn't had watched them at all. People wouldn't pay to watch them.If you want to save the animation industry then make a show about post apocalyptic magic knights shooting laser animals out of their chests, put it up on the internet for free, and sell toys with shiny stickers.
>>152563571Nothing is free on Earth, not even jn the wild.Everything takes effort, energy, matter and time that must be paid back or rewarded.If you ever thought you had something for free in your life you were having it on someone else's back.
>>152562100>destroyed the animation industry, local computing/gaming as a hobby and online anonymity to own the libsYeah okay pal tell Netanyahu to diddle less kids.
>>152563685Precisely. All that lazy money made using our stolen attention, data, and commercial activity, and they even fool themselves into thinking it’s their victims who are taking something for free.
>>152563738Your datas were paying for the softwares you thought you were using for free.Jokes on you for believing running the internet had no cost.
>>152563710Nta but>destroyed the animation industryThat's on the progressives who hired or fired based on politics, skin colour, and nepotism. They made cartoons fugly, boring, and about gender clown shit that the sheer majority of the global market is opposed to.>local computingFuck techbros and AIjeets. But I'm afraid this is a uniparty issue all over the world. Not because it is a political issue but because it is an economic issue.>gamingRuined by progs making games about their niche beliefs, and by gaming studios not optimizing their games because they expect us to have $2000 rigs that will compensate.>online anonymityTwo-Tier Keir is pushing for the end of anonymity to own the chuds.
>>152558407Yup I voted for this, I hope a lot of people suffer
>>152563777Lol, cute.
>>152563710>destroyed the animation industryEhh, this is just a western issue, animation in Japan, China, and Korea is still trucking along, even though they've got their own issues. If you're someone who doesn't care about the western animation industry (which, unfortunately, is an ever-growing group since many of them decided to alienate tons of people and ignore what children actually wanted over the last 15 or so years) then none of this really means much to you since you weren't watching cartoons to begin with anyways.>>152563657Bamco is able to make bank because their audience is global, a lot of the people buying gunpla and Gundam merch are Chinese for example.No one in China gives a fuck about American TV cartoons, the only western animated show they've given a fuck about in the last decade is Arcane, and that's only because it's LoL.Maybe Disney should make a Zootopia TV show or something and market it to China with lots of merch.
>>152564070Merchandising is too hard. Customers actually want a product, meanwhile investors will give you more money for the idea of a product.
>>152563643>When your hands will be rugged by actual work maybe you will come back with art grounded in reality worth watching.You jest but this is an excellent point. Modern cartoons don't understand the concept of hardship. That's why they all feel so boring, sanitized and predictable. Now compare them to cartoons made in the 1940s and we saw stuff like ultra violence. Because the animators actually knew what war was like and the fear of being killed was real.
>>152563906Their worst crime was thinking audiences were a naturally occuring phenomenon instead of something you earn with satisfaction and respect.
>>152566381Sanitized and predictable cartoons always existed.What makes this era stand out is how ABSTRACT it is. Nepo babies who churned out the latest toons grew up sheltered in front of a screen pressing buttons all day without going through anything real.Not even violent experiences, just everyday real issues anyone else has to face outside of their bubble.
>>152566890A lot of west coast types don't seem to understand how...people in general work.People don't just latch on to a property for no reason, they like something because of elements said things exhibit, when you change them or create things without those elements, obviously those people aren't going to flock to whatever your new shit is.It's really fucking weird how many creatives in America don't understand this. I used to think it was an exec-only phenomenon, but even a lot of these creatives don't seem to understand what people like and just expect their stuff to be popular because THEY personally like it and it speaks to THEIR "lived experience."Which is fine if that's your indie passion project made on your own dime, not so much when you're taking some existing property and turning it into your personal therapy session.
>>152567244It's not only a matter of executives or creatives, it's a wholly generational problem.When I was in animation school I once asked my teacher how could we make sure the audience would like our work and he bluntly answered "FUCK THE AUDIENCE". He was a good teacher but needless to say he never made anything successful outside of a few obscure animation festivals.When you're taught this way no wonder you end up making unwatchable slop nobody wants.Not caring about what others think or like seemed to be a milestone of 2000's mentality. All over the internet you could see the slightest criticism met with "UR JUST JEALOUS". No need to ever question yourself because you were born perfect and special.20 years later this is the result.
>>152567644People heard "don't worry about what people think" and thought that meant "don't worry about the audience."What you're supposed to do is cultivate an audience that's into the same things you are and appeal to THEM and tell EVERYONE ELSE to go eat shit.The problem is, this doesn't work in the corpo sphere, for reasons I feel are obvious. Or at least, it doesn't work in the American corpo sphere, since the modern American sphere is just designed to extract as much money as possible, not actually make something audiences like.
>>152567790Corporations exist to make money.If your show appeals only to 0'0001% of population and doesn't make any effort to get anyone else interested of course it will fail, furthermore if it's ugly to watch on top of that.
>>152561772It is held back by the enormous amount of rigtoons in the training data and general lack of full hand animation in existence.
>>152566381>Ultra violence"Ultraviolence" is Rick&Morty/Family Guy/South Park/Happy Tree Friends tier millenoid garbage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3EDNTRqhEPrevious generations didn't disrespect pain because they had to live it.
>>152568021Jesus christ, Homer sounds like fucking Abe nowadays.How the fuck do people still watch this shit?
>>152568062They don't.
>>152559968/thread
>>152559520nah this is what it looks like when you prolong and extend a stock market crash for literally 18 years instead of just letting it fall over and then rebuilding.
These people were the last good cartoonists and everyone bullied them out of existence
>>152568900>>152558388This was women’s fault, Total Female Death
>>152568900Name one good thing hipsters made.>inb4 Gravity Falls
>>152558388what do I do as an animation student? I'm not good enough for studios anymore but also professionals are taking all the indie jobs so I have nothing to work on after graduation
>>152569614Do porn for newgrounds and Twitter.
>>152569614Open a studio in your shed like Don Bluth and make a really good movie to fund a real studio. And then decline in quality for 10 years. And then go bankrupt.
>>152568900Fuck no they weren't.
>>152562529grim..
>>152558436>Of course AI cannot make anything consistent over 10 secondshttps://youtu.be/CYHRcHLV0uwsay you want about it, but I heard my three yo niece watch shit like this every time she come over and as far as producers are concerned, that the only demographic worth producing cartoons for these days.
>>152571046Oh that explains the panic, it can only do toddlerslop and 90% of the industry is that.
>>152558388>feminist and woke leftards take over cartoons>Cartoons start to suck so nobody watch them>Cartoons start to flop because nobody watching them>Nobody want to pay to finance cartoons anymore.don't blame pol or Trump for this mess, this is the future you leftards chose, Trump is just a symptom of wokeness and political correctness ruining media and antagonizing a big part of the audience for no reason except being male or straight, you are literally the soccer moms of this era that pushed a lot of people to the far right.
>>152568502The effects of MMT on display
>>152571253>#slay
