https://aiptcomics.com/2026/02/18/super-sonic-monthly-4/So, I don't think the new villain in IDW Sonic is Starline.
>>152559196>still following anything from this franchiseBattered spouse syndrome. How many times does Sonic have to kick you in the crotch before you realize that it's terrible and always has been?
>>152559196>release new villain>no fucking information on himda fuck
>>152559196Don't act so surprised. I kept saying that IDW loves introducing new Sonic characters that act like they've always been around and watching everything.
>– CitrusTheNerd asks: How does the team craft new story arcs? What considerations are made to ensure that the plot is unique from the variety of other adventures Sonic has been on?>Sonic Editorial: What a good question! One of the really fun things about Sonic is that while we always want to make sure we’re staying true to the characters and franchise, the stories themselves can thrive across a lot of genres. That definitely helps in keeping our minds open and the ideas fresh. We’ve thought about what a post-apocalyptic Sonic story might look like, or going full sci-fi with Sonic in space, or a high-fantasy inspired arc. Even when those ideas don’t pan out, they still get the creative juices flowing!"We also don't bother making the various staff members collaborate or agree on anything. Its fine."
>>152559220Could be more pathetic, could be someone who hates the series but still wastes their time obsessing and following it
>>152559196Don’t know why people were so convinced this was the gay duck in the first place. Even if it was he’s not much of a threat, why would you want him back? He existed just so Ian could vent about the series having a status quo.>>152559220The manga has been pretty good even if the american side is terrible.
>>152559196IDW has already trained me to not expect a new villian to be a genuine threat. They're either>A, gonna get mogged by Eggman, because god forbid we have someone ever getting close to his level>B, slowly but surely turn into an Anti Hero>or C, be introduced and die in the same story arc
BRING BACK FINITEVUS
>>152559901"No" says Penders.
>>152559196Oh, we're actually going back to Knuckles.I remember wayyyyy back when Sonic and the gang were gonna explain to knuckles why they were giving him a surprise visit... And now we're finally gonna know,
>>152559196>mono eye>tentaclesXorda confirmed?
>>152559933Did Penders even actually create him?
>>152560168Bollers actually. But if they aren't from the games Sega doesn't want them anymore.
>>152560168Penders will claim every character that he had even the smallest part in creating and since Ian made it so that Finitevus was a random echidna scientist in an issue Penders wrote he ended up becoming a Penders character. Finitevus would've survived the Pendering if that didn't happen. Not sure about the Genesis Wave and reboot because that felt like only Sega and Ian characters were left.
>>152560309>Not sure about the Genesis Wave and reboot because that felt like only Sega and Ian characters were left.That and any characters specifically from Adventures and SatAM.
>>152560309This, oh shit, this. Can you guys believe he now practically claims (through the back cover of his “totally legal and not playing lawsuit chicken with Sega” The Shadow Files) that HE, Ken Penders, is the one who made Shadow popular in the West?The nerve of the man, I tell you hwhat.
>>152560536>HE, Ken Penders, is the one who made Shadow popular in the West?Hilarious because he always hated Shadow and tried to denounce him in Archie as an overglorified Badnik not worthy of Knuckles' fistspikes.
>>152560580The text in question (going to spare you of the horrors of the cover and back cover):>HE WAS ORIGINALLY KNUCKLES 2.0, ONLY BETTER…>An arch-rival to Sonic, one the game designers were even more paranoid about public finding out about before the release of SONIC ADVENTURE 2, the sequel to their previous game release. So paranoid, in fact, that the freelance talent working on Archie Comics’ SONIC THE HEDGEHOG series weren’t provided any reference material yet told to produce stories tied in to the game.>Fortunately, what SEGA wouldn’t provide, one of Ken Penders’ colleagues did, and thus Ken was able to write an introduction to a character that proved to be a constant battle to work on.>Long before the films, Ken found himself charting the adventures of a character much the same way he experienced with the original Sonic arch-rival, Knuckles the Echidna, and began playing the groundwork for Shadow to potentially star in his own series.>Now experience the last adventures Ken would write for the SONIC series, including a never before published 6-page tale that seemed lost to the ages… until now.
>>152560663If I remember, one of Ken's last stories before he got the boot was having a gold E-100 robot proclaim the Robotniks' achievements as the equivalent of cavemen discovering fire (later retconned by Ian as a piece of junk spouting total nonsense).
>>152559220I just make my own canon nowadays. Great for exercising my creativity.
>>152560580He's clearly trying to ride (very late if we are honest) on the Shadow fad that was going on 1-2 years ago with the release of the ShadGens and Movie 3.This might be his most successful book so far, apparently pre-orders sold out... but that's likely due to the print run being lower scale and Sonic Stadium doing it some promo (just to make a joke regarding another set of "Files").>>152560663>began playing the groundwork for Shadow to potentially star in his own series.Fucking shit, this guy knows no shame.
>>152559879One of the big reason's I don't bother with IDW is it's not really allowed to actually do anything because it would end up fucking up the games
>>152560939They can't even adapt the games either. IDW has Sage coming into the comic, and you just have to accept that Frontiers happened off panel. Archie, for it's many MANY faults, at least tried to weave the games into their story, now? Hope you played the game buddy. Same thing will happen if/when Ariem gets in too.
>>152561601So the comics are nothing more than a gigantic waste of time where the game characters play second fiddle to a bunch of ocs?I mean I like the gay birds, but still
>>152561652Really side content now, which in itself isn't a bad thing. It's just that the comics has a bunch of nicks in it that people have taken noticed of, and now that it>A, can't adapt the games>and B, can't change the game castand at best IDW characters will only be in spinoff games like Crossworlds, it's just there.
>>152561681yeah Archie seems better by the fact that it was an AU and could actually do stuff
>>152561601>Archie, for it's many MANY faults, at least tried to weave the games into their storyIronically against their will. They were forced to by Sega but eventually they could do non-canon stories that were just ads for the games. SA1 and 2 were especially bad because Sega gave them nothing but things they had to adapt and changes to characters. Spaz had to play the Japanese versions of the games to give the others whatever information he could from it.
>>152561903Oh for sure, was not perfect at all (not helped by Sega in that case). But if Archie could do Unleashed (again, not perfectly, but still done), I really don't get why Sega barred them this time.
>>152561954Same reason they had Archie do glorified ads for the games. They don't see the comics as an extension of the franchise, just another tool to keep Sonic relevant between games. The movies make a lot of money for Sega so they don't care but IDW is just a puddle in comparison.
>>152559701You dont even read that manga nigga stfu lmfao
>>152561903>SA1 and 2 were especially bad because Sega gave them nothingI've been wondering about that for a while, and it just goes to show you how disconnected SoJ (arguably who has the last word) was with whatever SoA was doing back in the 90s and early 2000s, unless they had a SoJ representative directly involved.
>>152562366>how disconnected SoJOn second thought, I think uninterested is a more appropiate verb here.
>>152562010But I do, and it blows IDW’s Steven Universe crying bullshit out of the water.
Sex with Belle.
>>152561601>and you just have to accept that Frontiers happened off panelIt also render's Frontiers as a whole totally pointless. Hey remember all that character development that was being promised in that game? All that jazz about Sonic's friends going on their own journeys so that when they meet Sonic again they'll be much more independent? Well now that we know none of that ever happened. The comics just confirmed things just went right back to the status quo, and no one actually changed. The Sonic fanbase just bought another load of crap from the world's fattest fertilizer salesman.
>>152562656You know it's bad when, excluding the Atlus stuff, the only reason Yakuza hasn't taken over as Sega's flagship IP is because Sonic can be sold to a general audience
>>152562701Probably doesn't help that yakuza is determined to shoot itself in the foot too. Meanwhile persona takes so long between installments that ten year old who played persona 5 on release will be in their twenties when persona 6 releases. I don't know how Sega stays afloat, I really don't.
>>152562730how is yakuza trying to shoot itself in the foot?
>>152562757Sega's actual ties with the Yakuza?
>>152562757Long story short the games have been in a cultural conflict since the original director is new gone and the new guys are bad at managing things.The larger version is that the game successfully pivoted the mainline games to a RPG series for 7&8 new protagonist and all, cultivating a new fanbase while keeping the old fans happy with spinoffs and remakes in the earlier style.Then the latest game, a remake of 3, came out and was a massive shitshow between controversial casting choices, cutting important content that was present in the original game, and retconning the climax so hard as to push a yakuza illuminati that they basically confirmed that they are killing the original timeline to suit the new leaderships direction for future remakes.So everyone is pissed
>>152562366SoJ pulled the same shit with Sonic the Comic over in the UK. They only got around to doing SA1 but their attempt was even more out there in comparison. All they got to do was change Sonic's eye color to green.
>>152562997Fleetway was about to end its run, so I don't think they really cared what Sega made them do by that point.
>>152560309>Finitevus would've survived the Pendering if that didn't happen.Wasn't Finitevus created by Bollers though?He still would have gotten the axe had Ian not retconned that bit in.
>>152563337Doesn't matter. The echidna he originally was was Ken's, so Ken states that he owns him.
How are they supposed to write a convincing technological threat outside of Eggman's influence after they introduced Sage into the comics? They had this brat hacking Super Sonic tier ancient tech with little effort, and this comic continually treats Super Sonic as a miraculous fix all button. How would some OC playing with Eggman's scraps not just get squashed the same way Starline did?
>>152563377They will.This comic is just as predictable as you think it is, they will just draw it out and make it take way more issues than it needs to.
>>152563377Since we have tech covered and villainous intrigue just gets bowled over, all that's left is magic to be a contender and I'm not sure what Sega's stance on outright magic these days is.
>>152563377It's not about the villainous threat, that's just there to put things into motion. The core of the arc is clearly gonna be Belle's growth and an exploration of Eggman and Sage's relationship in contrast.
I wish I could murder all the people who make Sonic bad so that new people would come and make Sonic good.
>>152563369>The echidna he originally was was Ken's, so Ken states that he owns him.It’s the same stunt he pulls with Scourge. While that may be technically true, and we could argue that Ken is within his rights to use him, anything involving Evil Sonic that has been released by him goes by the Scourge design and name, something he had absolutely no involvement with.He was fighting for creators’ rights, you say? My ass. His shameless exploitation of Scourge is the ultimate evidence that anything he did was for the money.
>The fastest crossover in comics is back for another lap.>Following the success of 2025’s DC x Sonic the Hedgehog, DC and SEGA of America are teaming up again for a new five-issue event titled DC x Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion, launching May 5, 2026. The Justice League reunites with Sonic and Team Sonic for a high-speed adventure filled with action, humor, and unexpected alliances.>In Metal Legion, mysterious mechanical rings appear across both worlds, linking the DC Universe and Sonic’s dimension in unpredictable ways. The heroes are thrilled to see each other again, but the cause of their reunion carries a darker purpose. A hidden enemy is manipulating events from the shadows, and the collision between worlds could spiral out of control.>Ian Flynn returns to write the series, joined once again by artist Adam Bryce Thomas. The pair helped make the original crossover one of DC’s most talked-about launches of 2025, with issue #1 racing through multiple printings and strong retailer support throughout its run.>“I had an absolute blast the last time around,” Flynn said. “I’m really happy that the tease we left at the end of the first crossover is finally coming to fruition. I hope everyone enjoys this second go-around as much as I did writing it.”>The debut issue features a main cover by Pablo M. Collar, with variant covers by Adam Bryce Thomas, Serg Acuña, and Min Ho Kim. The 32-page first issue arrives May 5, 2026, priced at $3.99, with cardstock variants available for $4.99.
>https://aiptcomics.com/2026/02/20/dc-sonic-metal-legion-event-may-2026/
>>152562656Frontiers quite literally ends with the shit friends announcing “IM GONNA DO WHAT I WAS BASICALLY DOING BEFOREHAND!”“Character development” KEK! you’re an idiot if you bought into that crap.
>>152560685lmao that arc was such a shit show
>>152563686>Cream as SupergirlDid not see that one coming.
>>152559196> So, I don't think the new villain in IDW Sonic is Starline.That’s a shame. Continue starving them and buy if they bring him back.
>>152563684>more Sonic comic unrelated to IDWThat's good.>written by Ian FlynnThat's bad.
>>152563686>Big Aquaman It's so stupid I love it.
>>152563695>Those NPCsIt's crazy to me that we are still feeling the after effects of Sonic Forces to this day.
>>152563931At least they look somewhat more natural than the usual IDW Twitter-borrowed OC.
>>152563686Cute Blaze
>>152563693>Rouge finally gets to be a thief again>in the DC crossoverI don't know if I should be angry, grateful or both.
>>152563693Rouge > Selina
>>152563686And I just noticed the little Supergirl Cream. That’s adorable.
>>152563686Did they really make Blaze Starfire just because of the name? Character personality-wise it would have made much more sense Cream being Starfire and Blaze being Supergirl (given Amy is already Wonder Woman).
>>152563982Less STDs, that's for sure.
>>152563686These are all cute except Blaze as Starfire, which is a very obvious corporate decision because it's a complete mismatch.>Tall stacked Amazonian vs flat girl>Outgoing personality vs calm and reserved>Awkward speech vs eloquence>Slut gear vs entirely covered up>Energy blasts vs pyrokinesisThere are tons of characters that fit better. Hell, even Raven is a better match, but it would be harder to make a toy with that.
>>152563998None of the assigned roles make perfect sense, except for Sonic as Flash and now Rouge as Catwoman.All the others feel like a stretch due to a lack of personality alignment and/or a similar character gimmick.Big as Aquaman is a joke, a good one, but a joke nonetheless.
>>152563695Aquaman is going to try talk to Froggy, only for Froggy to say some incomprehensibly horrific. Or they’ll do the hey big guy/little guy thing again. Ian’s gotta play the hits.
>>152564027No, come on. The others have at least something going for them. Clark and Knuckles have the "last of my kind, can fly, green rocks" stuff going on. Bruce and Shadow have the brooding disposition and dead family and they both like weaponized vehicles and shit. Big and Aquaman are considered jokes by the public but are supposed to actually be shockingly strong. Amy is Wonder Woman because HAS BAGINGA. Silver is a lantern because his psychokinesis works like a lantern ring.Starfire and Blaze are nearly opposites.
>>152563686>Cheese is Krypto>not StreakySigh...
>>152564061Writer doesn't get to choose. These were designed to sell as toys. Krypto already has a toyline and children's media franchise. Streaky does not.If you're lucky Ian will sneak in Chocola as Streaky.
>>152564059>"All the others feel like a stretch due to a lack of personality alignment and/or a similar character gimmick"Thank you for repeating my point.Having said that, you are right, Blaze is the absolute worst one of the bunch.
>>152564071Knuckles was literally written as discount Superman for like 10 years, you're being obstinate.
Well who else can Blaze be?
>>152564086>Uses Ken Penders writing as a counterpointAnd I'm supposed to be the obstinate one? Read my post again, and then look at what you replied.
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>>152564059>Aquaman is considered jokes by the publicI don't think we are in the 2010s anymore.
>>152564150Ian sure is.
>>152563998>>152564021Starfire is a princess and energy is kinda like fire?Yeah it's a big jump.
>>152564059I dunno, I think Amy Wonder Woman is still the worst, at least Blaze and Starfire can both fly and shoot fire, even if it's the wrong color.
>>152564145Sonic characters should have smaller feet.
>>152564021>>152564145Not disagreeing with Starfire being the wrong choice but this just seems Eden further off. Maybe if Blaze still acted like she did in Rush/Rush adventure, but she's just a generic friendly amicable girl in the IDW comics.
>>152563686RIP Queen In Black and Avengers Armageddon
>>152564059>Amy is Wonder Woman because HAS BAGINGAAnd you're saying the selection is not a bunch of reaches?
>>152564265He's making fun of both characters being extremely shallow and defined by being a girl.
>>152564186>she's just a generic friendly amicable girl in the IDW comicsTo be fair to Blaze, that seems to be the ultimate fate of any character in IDW that isn't Shadow (and only because Sega doesn't allow it)
>>152564186>she's just a generic friendly amicable girl in the IDW comics.I think that's more of a condemnation of the writing in the comics than criticism of the comparison.
>>152563686The fact that Amy still primarily uses her hammer even though everyone else changes weapons/specialties (even Silver opting to use contructs over ESP) is proof that it's the worst mash-up.
>>152564186What, is she not self serious, a bit shy, holding back a bad temper and moody about her powers anymore?>>152564310>>152564317What the fuck???
>>152564327>What, is she not self serious, a bit shy, holding back a bad temper and moody about her powers anymore?She's borderline bubbly now.
I find it funny how DC and Sega have this multi-year cross promotional merch deal going on but there’s no DC anything in Crossworlds’ season pass. >inb4 they announce a second season pass that’s exclusively DC characters.
>>152564361>Blaze the Cat>"Not as she is supposed to be, but rather as Ian/Evan want her to be."IDW writing in a nutshell.
>>152564361I'll never understand people who put "character development" that changes everyone into the same genericized ideal person over fun static characters.
>>152564401It's a merchandise initiative. Video games go through different branches of the parent companies and also take longer to plan.
>>152564401They didn't even put it in the Roblox game, which even had a TMNT crossover where you could get a pizza shaped extreme gear.There must be some limitation on the DC crossover regarding game use.
>>152564361Only around Sonic and Silver. She’s still pretty withdrawn with everyone else.
>>152564401It helps (or doesn’t) that DC is virtually unknown in Japan.
>>152564425The issue is she's barely around anyone else, so that's her all the time.
>>152564425If anything her being like that around Silver is even weirder, since she was introduced as his mentor figure. And that's not a Western thing, the JP stuff does this, too.Amy and Rouge had their femininity reduced while Blaze has been scrubbed clean of her masc traits, turning all three into boring support characters.
>>152564433Boco, that is the stupidest goddamn thing you have ever said, and that's saying a lot.Japanese people know who Superman and Batman are, dude.
>>152564458That’s about it though. And I’m pretty sure they prefer Adam West Batman over any other version.
>>152564433You’re gonna tell me that the Japanese will sooner recognize fucking Aang than Superman or Batman?
>>152564021Is pretty obvious the choice was because both are princesses.Starfire being an easy toy costume helps a lot too.
>>152564497I'd say the choice was 90% the latter with the former as the justification.
>>152559196Speaking of Blaze...>For example, if you’ve been wanting more Blaze and Silver, you will love Issues #89-91, as the pair embark on their own adventure!More of Blaze being around that bum lmao.
>>152564483Honestly, they might. Superman anyway.The only big US superheroes over there are Batman and Spiderman.
>>152564497The color pallete helps too, but i guess that's not important, because sonic is flash.
>>152564497A lot of DC superheroines are princesses.Fuck, Amethyst is a better choice for Blaze than Starfire.
>>152564509You people just say shit.They know who fucking Superman is. They parody him plenty. Goddamn.
>>152564507For fuck's sake.It's been 20 years. Let her go on adventures with other people. Fuck.
>>152564523Parody, sure. Doesn’t equal liking him. His movies barely crack 10 million. His last one only made, like, 7.
>>152563686>Blaze hip window I'll allow it.
>>152564549>Goalpost shifted from "know/recognize" to "like"Concession accepted.
>>152564561They don’t recognize or like him enough to put in Crossworlds, is what this circles back to.
>>152564443Rouge is still pretty feminine in the comics, they just don't know what active role to give her.She hasn't gone full Rebel Rouge mode..Yet.
>>152564561This started with “like”, you dope.
>>152564567The Japanese barely know Tangle and Whisper but their asses are being added next week.
>>152564585They’re official Sega characters.
>>152564516As a dc connoisseur, are you going to tell me with a straight face amethyst is more brand recognizable than starfire? Come on man, get real.Blaze and amy being raven and srarfire would make more sense, but amy is a main character, and wonder woman needed representation.People want all this to make sense when fucking silver and tails are green lantern and cyborg respectively.
>>152564576No it wasn't, the tripfag's claim was DC was "unknown in Japan", implying a lack of visibility in general, regardless of it being liked or not.
>>152564607Tails makes sense, as he's a black coded tech user.
>>152564558>Fishnets emphasizing boobs that don't exist.Points docked.>>152564576>Me when I lie for no reason.
>>152562378Interested enough to make sure Archie wasn't having Sonic draw blood, but uninterested enough to lend a hand in Archie Sonic's creation, which was a blessing and a curse.
>>152564607>more brand recognizableNever said that. Don't put words in my mouth.I think Blaze-Raven hits the compatibility + marketability thresholds and is still toyetic enough. Blaze-Starfire is a misfire no matter how you want to spin it. Some executive is retarded and everyone else has to deal with it.
There are no other fire users in DC that are heroes?
>>152559879>A, gonna get mogged by Eggman, because god forbid we have someone ever getting close to his levelIts gotten so fucking ridiculous. The writing was on the wall when they demanded the Surge/Kit rewrite because Starline creating them from scratch would have brought him too close to Gerald in terms of feat. God fucking forbid anyone move on from this series' fuckin Kanto syndrome. They'll shill the absolute dogshit out of the lesbian couple (not even Lanolin lol) but everyone else exists to be a hype squad. I havent read since the Mimic "fight" it pissed me off so fucking bad which is saying something because I have a pretty high tolerance at this point I will never bother reading this tripe again until after they finally introduce a male antagonist, who doesnt immediately job or get used to hype Eggman, and who poses even a fraction of the threat the metal virus did. Its a joke that the only arc with gravitas was literally sloppy seconds from Archie. Clutch almost had it with his 9/11 blimp, especially when Jewel had to trolley problem it, but then they couldn't even follow through on that. All this is to say i basically wont pick it back up because at this point this clearly isnt the tone or story theyre trying to tell. I never thought id miss Archie dude.
Here is a dedicated thread for DC X Sonic>>152564710
>>152564021>Starfire's race is feline associated>Fire>Princesses from another worldWorks fine enough.
>>152563686Hope they have fun with Eggman in this
Nobody knows what to do with Blaze, period. Sega doesn't want her, Archie didn't want her, IDW doesn't want her.
>>152563691Lex knows Eggman's the star of this duo.
The fuck is wrong with the guy shitting on blaze for being starfire, and blaze in general.
Who really gives a shit that they gave the wrong niche irrelevant side character's costume to the wrong niche irrelevant side character If this is the worst thing to happen to you today then call it a pretty good day
>>152564979weird since TTGO established Starfire as a massive cat person.Starfire likes cat and a princess from another world, of course she'd be blaze
>>152562730>"Meanwhile persona takes so long between installments that ten year old who played persona 5 on release will be in their twenties when persona 6 releases.">me looking at the timeline of Persona release (just the original versions)>Persona 1 to 2 has a three year gap>2 to 3 was seven years>3 to 4 was two>4 to 5 was eight>it's now been 10 years since 5's original release, with no sign of P6 in sight.Lordy, and with Persona clearly going for general audiences now, long gaps like this won't help shit.
>>152565021You don't even have to use go.
>>152563450The ME and the Emeralds are as close to magic as the mainline games got. There was Black Knight, but that hasn't been referenced as much. Archie loved using magic, and even reboot let Naugus keep his magic thing going.
>>152564614Tails is the whitest character to ever existBlonde HairBlue EyesCan say “Ask” and stand in line at Waffle House
>>152565056I always loved how long her midriff was while she was a cat.
>>152563377>They had this brat hacking Super Sonic tier ancient tech with little effortYa know, I didn't think about that. The only one who could be hack free of Eggman's stuff is Tails, which means everyone eles' tech would kneel to Sage. Like Eggman could undo all the electric locks we saw in that one prison earlier in the run, just for shits and giggles. No one is safe....which means this will just be glossed over.
>>152565121This pic make me realize, does yuji uekawa tried to draw sage yet?I know even tangle and whisper have a drawing of him.
When did Sonic become about shitty fursonas and webocomic-tier plots. Where is the cool shit? Airships, explosions, legion of robots, colorful and exotic locales—this IDW stuff looks terrible. Bring back the Archie stuff.
>>152565263Like 30 issues before the image you posted.
>>152565263Sorry Anon, thats not on brand anymore.
>>152565121>...which means this will just be glossed over.Now you're getting it!
>>152564649They're all dudes or obscure.
>>152564717>Starline creating them from scratch would have brought him too close to Gerald in terms of feat.Nah, I actually agree on this one.Gerald was a once in a lifetime genius in ideal circumstance with limitless funding rushing to save his grand daughter, and even THEN he had to make a deal with the devil. Letting someone just do that again is undercutting the point and introducing mad power creep. My issue is that Ian pushed forward with his initial idea unchanged despite the massive morality shift from "creatures created for a purpose" and "kidnapping/abuse victims."
>>152564877Yeah, I guess. Still kind of a lame and ill fitting choice.
>>152565278And you'd be wrong. lmaoThis shit in IDW is just some no-name characters talking and maybe seeing Sonic for a page.
>>152565101Starfire as gangly and sporty was such a great interpretation.
>>152565263By the time Sally had a vest.
>>152565337>Gerald was a once in a lifetime genius in ideal circumstance with limitless funding rushing to save his grand daughter, and even THEN he had to make a deal with the devil. Letting someone just do that again is undercutting the point and introducing mad power creep.Gerald did what he did like 60 years ago and created fucking Shadow. Its not an encroachment to have a later scientist create weaker results with modern technology. Think modern nuclear technology vs project trinity. The old material can easily be handled respectfully without the entire subject being off limits forever for the sake of nostalgiafags
>>152563686>>152563693Catwoman as Rouge and Shadow as Batman has...implications
>>152565506Manhattan project, not trinity
>>152559196could be Starline in a mask or his bot
>>152565506Now this I can get behind, because then it would give Shadow some to relate to in Surge and Kit, all three created for a purpose, but where as Shadow was initially created with good intentions, Surge and Kit were a vanity project. Maybe even have a similar scene to this panel. Not asking Shadow to be sappy, but at least try and talk to the two that they don't NEED to be destructive, even more so in their case since they're not machines like Metal
>>152565263It’s very telling when the most memorable parts of IDW outside of Scrapnik Island are just Flynn reheating his leftovers from Archie.
>>152565507Maybe if you're a shipper faggot.
>no plans for the ZetiHeh
>>152565793Zavok is far too powerful for DC
>>152565911– John asks: Could we see more of the Lost Hex in the comics? Or Zeti that aren’t the Deadly Six? I’d love to see more of what that place and the (less evil) locals are like!Sonic Editorial: Right now, there are no plans to bring back the Zeti, but who knows where our next adventures will take us!They finally listened.
>>152564507>if you’ve been wanting more Blaze and SilvGod I hate that she's taped to that fucking clown.
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>>152566486Unironically better stretching ratio than MCU Reed Richards.
>>152564507>>152564530>>152566445It's 06's 20th anniversary so this whole year will reference their relationship. Which wouldn't be so bad if Sega wasn't so vague and better at explaining things.
>>152565506Less about nostalgia and more about the narrative precedent it sets. They ignored the Shadow androids after Shadow's game with good reason. It starts creating stupid escalation. We really do not need that shit.Honestly I'm just happy it kind of cucked Ian's "this character was MADE to be evil!" thing he keeps trotting out. It always sucks. Let bad people be bad by choice, it's not that hard.
>>152566445Amy, Rouge and Blaze have regressed into cheerleaders for their respective hedgehog. Tails and Cream aren't even static characters anymore, they're vague pantomimes for plot purposes. Knuckles is not allowed to do anything or be anything. Big is around purely for memes. It sucks, man.
>>152563684Oh lord, WHY?! The original sucked so much ass, genuinely one of the worst Sonic crossovers next to World's Unite.
>>152567017To promote the toys.
>>152566964They “ignored” the Shadow Androids because you destroy them in the route where you fight Eggman. They still reappear even now in IDW.Also Surge and Kit’s whole character is they only hate Sonic because the Gay Duck brainwashed them to, and they have no real reason. That’s the most ironic attempt at a compliment imve ever seen because they have no agency anymore because of the dumbass hypnosis fetish.
>>152567031>Also Surge and Kit’s whole character is they only hate Sonic because the Gay Duck brainwashed them to, and they have no real reason.That's what I'm saying about it being undercut by the change. It was supposed to be "They were made only for this, so they're just evil, the end," but making them existing people lead to the brainwash angle, which screws the whole thing because nobody buys that. The idea that they have no choice is retarded. The other writer directly engaged with this and gave them a reason to be assholes while having actual agency, but Ian came screaming in last year and made it SUPER EXTRA CANON that part of it is they INHERENTLY hate Sonic and they have NO good qualities, etc.It's very autistic.
>>152566445It's so laughably fucked up that a character who was treated as an equal parallel to Sonic for two games ended up repurposed into the tard wrangler for Sonic (ver. Poochie) and never recovered.
>got into comics just in time to pull the first DC crossover>Now I can pull the second
>>152567210The pull:
>>152567240I think the crossover's cute and fun.
>>152564530>>152566445Silver is the only thing keeping Blaze from getting vaulted along with Marine, Nega, and the rest of her universe. If you are a Blazefan you should be sucking Silver’s dick.
>>152567301The fact that you genuinely believe that is worrying.
>>152565263This stupid fucking fanbase's inability to let this comic go is precisely WHY IDW fucking sucks. IDW has spent its entire existence trying to pretend like Archie never left, by transferring as many elements from Archie as they legally can, none of which is compatible with Sonic as a whole. The whole Diamond Cutters people bitch about? That only exists to be an expy of the Knothole Freedom Fighters. Surge is just rehashing Scourge. Starline is just Snively. Eggman being a tryhard sadist and always being in the shadows is from Archie. Metal Virus was a planned Archie storyline, and dear GOD does it show.IDW should've been a fresh start. A chance to truly explore the game's canon in an interesting way, with new writers and fresh ideas. We never got that. Instead we got Archie alumni deteriorating this franchise like a cancer, to the point where the only thing Sonic has to offer now is being crossover fodder.
>>152567210Imagine being proud of consuming slop.
>>152567310Rush is a dead spin-off series that Sega is trying to erase. Without Silver Blaze has nothing.
>>152567323I love Sonic though.
>>152567327>Rush is a dead So is Rivals and 06, what's your point sis? Go replace your expired meds and quit wasting my time.
>>152567329that’s what he said.
>>152567301I would rather she die desu.
>>152565585Or full on brain in a bot, considering his supposed death.
>>152566574>so this whole year will reference their relationship.Oh yeah, that whole relationship, which in the very game it originates from is a big fat fucking nothing and forced as shit (which it continues to be)
>>152567327Rivals, the game that Introduced Silver into actual continuity, didn't even come out in Japan.
>>152567301Frankly I'd rather Blaze just stay in her own dimension. She has no reason to exist in the comics outside of cheap "fanservice". They keep her around Silver because she literally has nothing else to do here.It would be fine if Sonic stumbles across her dimension every once in a blue moon and go on adventures with her there. But no, every Sonic character to ever exist must stay around the same place to do fuck all.
>silvertard gets btfo and immediately stops responding
>>152567314Starline's ok. Only problem is his death was a huge anticlimax. Belle is a cute idea they never did anything good with until last issue. Whisper was utterly fumbled to appeal to shippers. Tangle got stuck as Whisper's pet Chihuahua. Rough and Tumble barely get used. Clutch is ineffective as a mob boss villain. Lanolin is a cool idea but they've been dripfeeding her story for fucking years. Most of the game cast barely gets anything. The stories themselves don't have good hooks and most don't work without the brand popping them up.They just refuse to structure a short story well. I don't get it.
>>152567390I feel like this is the writers trying to avoid licensors cockblocking them, but they spend so much time doing this stuff that they don't do much actual storytelling.Like yeah ok fine sure, establish Blaze is in Sonic's World on vacation for a while if you're scared Sega is gonna blueball you, whatever. But do that as ONE PAGE at the START of a story and TELL A STORY WITHIN THAT ONE ISSUE! This isn't hard!
>>152564409The problem is that people confuse "character development" with completely rewriting a character. We never actually got to SEE Blaze change into her current form, she's just like that now. Just like with Silver and Amy; no actual development happened, Ian just changed their characters on a dime and expected people to roll with it.
>>152565588Shadow and Surge can fix each other, but the writers are too dumb to think of that possibility and both will remain as edgy angry jobbers.
>>152567390>>152567445Allegedly according to them SEGA were very supportive and enthusiastic when they suggested showing the SOL Dimension. Like they provided them a bunch of design documents for Blaze’s palace (which hadn’t been shown anywhere before) and said it’s totally on the field if they want to write in Sol.They just simply don’t wanna write a Sol story. Belle and the Lesbians were more important stories to write, to them.
>>152565585>>152567357It's a hivemind of robots based on Starline's brain scan. Ian is too proud to let previously shared concept art give away the game and loves his "I technically said"s, so Starline is going to remain dead while this thing is effectively his replacement.
>>152566574>It's 06's 20th anniversaryAh yes one of the most beloved games in the franchise with such a rich thought provoking plot. Dare I say it's the pinnacle of writing.
>>152567486Probably petty anger that they'd have to write a game universe instead of focusing on making Not-Archie.
>>152567486The fear of cockblock != Actually getting cockblocked. Ian always goes "I'm waiting for Sega to give more details" because he doesn't want the responsibility of defining the Sol Dimension and possibly screwing people over or getting contradicted in the future. So he pulls Blaze over so he doesn't have to.Considering how these guys took SoJ saying "Silver just ends up where he needs to go" and turned it into that DEEPLY retarded "randomly opening destiny based time portals" thing instead of just writing stories where Silver shows up where he needs to, I'd rather they leave it alone. Or how they keep floating "We should destroy the Master Emerald" instead of "Stop writing the Master Emerald into stories when it's not relevant/write a two line excuse for Knuckles to show up."
Blaze's dimension is just a lame dollar store version of Sonic's. And just about everything you can say you can do in it can just be done in the main universe.
>>152567486>They just simply don’t wanna write a Sol story. Belle and the Lesbians were more important stories to write, to them.I miss old Ian. I miss janny Ian. I miss organic use of member berries Ian. I miss ready to explore a new world after having shit reset not once but fucking twice Ian. I hate nu Ian. I hate use SEGA as a scapegoat at every opportunity Ian. I hate dickride Evan instead of being that cunts puppet Ian.
>>152567586Ah I see you're one of the writers for Power Rangers Super Megaforce. I agree pirates are indeed cringe.
>>152567586There are no cute Raccoon Surfer Girls or Robot Pirate Armies in Sonic’s world
>>152567586I mean yeah.>>152567587Bro is so done with Sonic aside from it being his job. Drogune was good, reads more like his early Archie stuff. Check it out.Then again, I think Evan is fine aside from flubbing the ending every time (why? how?!?), so you might hate it, idk
>>152567552Silver shouldn't keep coming back in the first place.
>>152567586Well, actually its a lame copy of One Piece to match Sonic copying Dragon Ball.
>>152567601>>152567612There's literally nothing stopping you from writing this stuff in Sonic's world.
>>152567656You seem like the type of retard that thinks pointing out Emerald Hill Zone is just another Green Hill Zone will be some great revelation. No shit? Doesn't mean we shouldn't go there and have cool pirate adventures. Sonic Rush Adventure is literally Sonic Rush but at sea, doesn't take away from it being a fun adventure. But your bitch ass will find some way to nitpick it because you're that much of a little bitch.
>>152567614Evan is way worse than Ian. Ian at least understands that this is supposed to be an action adventure book, he just sucks at writing adventure. Evan seems to think Sonic fans give a shit about character drama. When they don’t give a fuck about Belle’s and Solei’s sobstories she gets super passive aggressive.
>>152567612There are no cute big titty sheep in Blaze's world. Check Mate.
>>152567723Maybe they shouldn't have hired someone who got started with a shitty drama webcomic then.
>>152567757Don’t you white-knight for IDW? Why the sudden turnaround?
>>152567767I've never liked Evan.
>>152567618Yeah but he's more marketable because boy, so he's gonna keep coming back.
>>152567723>Points to two stories out of like a dozenYeah?
>>152567696>Makes up a strawman to get mad at.All I said is it doesn't actually matter, and the writers treating it like it does gets in the way of good stories.
>>152567757Anytime I think about if I ever actually liked Evan as a writer and I think back to that fucking webcomic and realize all the signs were there. Woman. Silverfag. Webcomic. She's the most obvious shitpot that should've been avoided since the existence of Shadow '05 and even that had some better ideas than the coocoo clock in her dome.
>>152567839Belle’s been a main character in almost all of Evan’s stories, and the ones she wasn’t it’s because the Diamondcutter Lesbians were>>152567734Lesbians aren’t cute
>>152563691>eggman straight-up traced from stock art
>>152567875You forgot "allergic to heterosexuality".
>>152567885The sheep isn't gay.You're just seething the a {femoid} is writing the book. Fuck off.
>>152567906Back in archie every woman was fighting tooth and nail over every available boy.These are all frumpy trannoid lesbians who won’t even talk to a male unless forced
>>152567885>Belle’s been a main character in almost all of Evan’s stories, and the ones she wasn’t it’s because the Diamondcutter Lesbians were>The cast of the comic is in the comicIf you said "The" instead of "a" I would engage in good faith. But you're going to be a fag and act outraged that any of the OCs being present at all is inherently a problem, which isn't the original point we were discussing.
>>152567952The Lesbian OCs being the main character of every single arc is a huge damn problem.
>>152567552Autists shouldn't write for Sonic. They're too technical and nerdy to get it. People with ADHD should write Sonic since they're actually imaginative and would be all for rule of cool over grounded shit. Autists are good for encyclopedias, not stories.
>>152567410>They just refuse to structure a short story well. I don't get it.This is actually an Ian thing, we blame a lot on him but this one is real. He's a very long-term kind of guy, his plans for what things should 'mean' are limited to big picture publicity and franchise management stuff. It's why he's still held up as an authority in the way Penders never will be again, he spends a lot of effort keeping his dick clean and his ledgers white.
>>152568121Ok but Drogune Vol 1 and Badguys and Sonic Boom were all exactly that. He CAN write good short stories! He just REFUSES to.
>>152567982I wouldn't boil it down to neuroses but I agree with the spirit of free wheelin' for actual story writing.
>>152567906The sheep isn't a character, she's a proof of concept. One that failed categorically in every way except popularity.
>>152568135>DroguneAnon, it took him a decade to finally bite the bullet and cut it down to MERELY 800 pages. It was suffering the exact same problems Sonic is until it came down to "You carve this story down to the bare essentials or it will NEVER get published."
>>152568144I mean I like her.I'm mad as fuck they cucked her out of her crashout, but I like her.
>>152567586Wow Ian, you still browse here?You could play up the differences between the worlds, since Blaze's cast tends to be reverse/anti versions of the main cast, stylistically or otherwise.Sonic's world has at least two fire deities (thanks for hogging them, Silver), does Blaze's world have Water gods? Is there some sort of "Reverse Chaos"? Any Atlantis equivalent with descendants in the present day?
>>152563770Yeah, that's the point. The Sonic fanbase is filled with nimrods unironically chanting "See, Sega's LISTENING to us now! Ian's writing them good!" as if the next game isn't just going to be Forces 3.>>152564433Sure Boco, the country that has multiple mega IPs based around ripping off Superman doesn't know who Superman is. Way to insult a country you know nothing about, you profoundly idiotic dipshit.
>>152568629They know Superman. Go ahead and ask if anyone of them have ever heard of Green Lantern or Wonder Woman.
>>152567314>Eggman being a tryhard sadist and always being in the shadows is from Archie.Which in itself is just a ripoff of Jurgen's Toyman. It's incredible how people tend to shit on Penders while praising Flynn, as if they aren't cut from the same damn cloth
>>152567314The problem with that is that Archie had strong worldbuilding (pre-SGW due to it's history, post-SGW due to using Unleashed as a springboard and Flynn autistically tying in as many games/media as he could get away with) and the ability to actually have things change.IDW doesn't have those luxuries.
>>152568714Nobody in Archie or IDW can let go of SatAM Robotnik, not even Ian.
>>152568645Project A-Ko literally has the MC be the daughter of Wonder Woman. She even wears her bracelets ffs. Seriously, do you people think the Japanese live under a rock? As if you're free to pirate manga/anime as you please while Japan remains isolated from the rest of the world? Culture's a two way street, American media has influenced Japanese media just as much as it's been the other way around.
>>152567839What is your favorite Evan story? At her best she’s mid and at her worst she’s awful.
>>152563035Fleetway's run only ended years later, and it was entirely through Egmont policies, Sega had nothing to do with it. Sega in general just kind of ignored it existed by that point altogether.
>>152568932Fleetway was only doing reprints after the Sonic Adventure story ended. By all means, it was already dead and done.
>>152568135NTA but just want to emphasize you're right here, because he actually does write correct short-form more character-accurate stories- classic only. Just compare how he wrote Amy in her birthday special vs modern Amy anywhere else. He just genuinely has a "corrupted" idea of how Modern Sonic is supposed to be and is dragging as much as he can to match it, as a choice.
>>152567314>>152568714Eggman was only a tryhard sadist in Metal Virus because it was an unused Archie-reboot story. The rest of the comic he’s his usual evil self, instead of mecha-hitler.
>>152568957Sure, but that's from a reader perspective. Editorially, it didn't mean they were intending to close up shop- just that some higher up went "why are we bothering making new stories, just endlessly reprint older ones since new readers were too young to read them the first go around". And obviously that killed the comic, but you have the order of operations wrong here- the comic died because of the reprints, they didn't go into the reprints because the comic was set to die. As far as they were concerned they'd have kept going reprints for decades.
>>152568865>Seriously, do you people think the Japanese live under a rock?These are likely anons who believe Japan literally, and I mean literally, hate Sonic rather than just being indifferent to it, at the most.
>>152569008Imagining 2ch anons thinking the west hates Legendary Starfy because the franchise isn't treated the same as Mario
>>152563691Pardon my incoming autistic rant, but its getting really annoying how modern Sonic artists are doing everything they can to get rid of the monoeye. Yes, I'm fully aware of how trivial this is, I just don't like how the Live-action movies have started this trend of slowly sanding down every unique aspect of Sonic's design in favor of "realism".>>152567897I think everything BUT Sonic is traced here. The building's are certainly stock 3D models as you can see in pic related here, and Superman looks eerily lifeless.
>>152568864>Nobody in Archie or IDW can let go of SatAM Robotnik, specially Ian.fify*
>>152569013To be fair to this artist, he has no choice here. The character designs of Sonic, Shadow, and Silver in the DC outfits outright include having that mask bit in the middle of the eye. He's just a DC artist being accurate to the references.
>>152569032Fair. Figures it's just executive meddling, I actually like that Sonic image otherwise. And yeah, the traced stuff is almost certainly from time restraints, with stock material most likely given by DC/Sega as well.
>>152569008People in these threads believe that Sega of Japan despises all Americans and employ them just so they can show them up with their superior samurai honor and when that doesn’t happen they clench their shaking fist to the sky like a Saturday morning villain. It’s the most bizarre form of xenophobia I’ve ever seen.
>>152563686I wish they would have scrambled the DC match-ups for the second run.Seeing other characters wearing the costumes... it would have even given them more figures to produce.
>>152569090I mean, if you read about their relationship in the 90s...
>>152569099Which is exactly the problem. So many anons in these threads are stuck in the 90’s.
>>152568974It's more so after Evan fully takes over that he starts being more in line with game Eggman. Every time Ian's back on the book his characterization goes right back down the toilet.
>>152569186Eggman did this first in SA2 though. It’s a lame memberberry but wouldn’t call it an Egghitler moment. Nothing else Eggman did in that arc was all that sadistic.
>>152569186Sometimes I wonder what Ian and Evan's true relationship is. They seem to be friends from the outside, but storywise they go against each other (often undoing what the other did) so much, I wonder if they actually hate each other with a passion.
>>152569099...you'll still have an inaccurate image because the sources we have are often dubious, like the Console Wars book glazing Kalinske over and over and then suddenly in recent years we have leaked 90s emails that show actually SoA was placing itself millions in debt by 1994
>>152569216Likely boring answer is neither. They're coworkers, talk to each other when about "hey I'm doing this story with your character, is this right", and otherwise don't exist in the same circles. Other people in the comic talk about doing things on groupchats, but Ian's never mentioned as being part of that.
>>152569206It's more so how it's executed here that bugs me more than anything. What made the scene in SA2 work is that 1) it's explicitly OOC (Sonic even calls attention to this with "you've turned into a big time villain now, Doctor!") and 2) Eggman isn't actually touching her in the scene. He's still very much in his mech while pointing the gun at Amy, giving the whole thing a sort of detatched desperation. It feels like he's going through with this as a way to live up to his family legacy, and is pushing himself to further extremes as a result. It also contrasts with Shadow; while Eggman is blindly rushing towards Gerald's scheme, Shadow has enough agency to feel conflicted, and to ultimately choose his own path.In Ian's panel all of that narrative significance is wiped away for "hype moments and aura". It's all the same tricks Ian pulls to make Eggman seem threatening since the Archie days, the whole putting him in the shadows, manhandling the characters (something he literally never does), etc. But with none of the nuances that made the scene work originally. It's a shallow, artless callback because that's all Ian knows how to do.
>>152567314The people writing it wrote Archie and they're the most guilty for not letting IDW form its own identity.
>>152568629Yeah, I was really confused when people were praising Frontiers' writing. I don't even dislike Ian or anything, but that game's script is fucking awful.
>>152562656I still can't fucking believe people fell for FF7R's "THE FUTURE CAN CHANGE NOW" and this game's "Wow, we did nothing for a whole game, something will definitely change next time!" thing. It was so transparent both times, and so many fucking normies, influencers and reviewers gobbled it up.
>>152569904>when people were praising Frontiers' writingModern Sonicfags praise Ian and Evan due to "One of us" mentality, and because they "listen" to them.And by "listen", I mean bitch about Sega on social media while saying:>"No, guys! We promise we would have given you what you asked for, but mean Sega said NO!"
>>152564717>Clutch almost had it with his 9/11 blimpCan you even really put that on him? It was Jewel who specifically set it to self destruct... for some reason. It was written like it was supposed to be her "owning that evil chud" or whatever, but it literally just made things worse for everyone. I still don't quite get Evan Stanley was going for.
>>152569990No, I saw people who don't know who the hell Ian is praise the game. They were vapid fans, but still. Normal people generally seemed put off by it.
>>152569904The best Sonic scripts have always been those that were wrote first in Japanese, then adapted to English.The first time we got an English-to-Japanese script was with Lost World. We should have paid more attention.
>>152567586Incredibly wrong statement but I won't bother arguing since not like anyone uses the setting even when they could in Archie.
>>152567301Slit your throat please
>>152570094I can't help but wonder how much of those opinions were shaped by sheer peer pressure. Frontier's release was an absolute shitshow, where the Sonic fanbase did their damndest to browbeat people into saying the game was good. Any critic that gave the game a low score was harassed by Sonic Twitter.
>>152566445Zavok has more value as a character then Silver ever will. God I despise that white stain on the cast, people who act like Charmy is worse are genuinely stupid since he's such an ignorable character even if you don't like him, Silver is god damn inescapable.
>>152570227>Any critic that gave the game a low score was harassed by Sonic TwitterSonic Twitter remains one of the biggest issues for Sonic because lacking direction, they turn to them to ask what to do.
>>152567000Trips of Trvth Nvke
>>152567497>A game apparently written in 2002, but not produced until 2005, with absolutely no changes between the 2002 script and the 2005 one.We have only scratched the surface of how bad 06 script is.
>>152567301>Silver is the only thing keeping Blaze from getting vaultedFunny, I thought Blaze was doing that for Silver
>>152567586Isn't it the writer's job to make places like the Sol Dimension feel unique, though?>>152567552>because he doesn't want the responsibility of defining the Sol Dimension and possibly screwing people over or getting contradicted in the futureThat just feels like he's making it a bigger issue than it actually is. Like, it's SONIC. This franchise has been a cavalcade of contradictions, inconsistencies, and retcons since the Dreamcast era. Sonic fans had to unironically cope with the fact that Sonic's eyes suddenly changed to green for over a decade, only for that to be retconned as him getting older (ignore Eggman getting a radical redesign as well), then retconned again by having Classic Sonic exist as a separate entity, for for THAT to get retconned away as well.At this point, who the hell cares if the Sol Dimension gets changed from IDW's interpretation to fit a future story? So long as the changes are made to better fit the narrative, most people will understand. It's this over thinking that turns Sonic canon into a ball and chain, instead of a canvas to explore and have fun with.
>>152570320Silver is way more popular than Blaze, especially in Japan.
>>152570466>This franchise has been a cavalcade of contradictions, inconsistencies, and retcons since the Dreamcast eraYes, but Ian has always sold himself as this "Sonic lore master", and fans bought it and it was one of the main reasons they asked for him to write the games.Not defending him exactly, but I understand having reservations.Having said that>It's this over thinking that turns Sonic canon into a ball and chain, instead of a canvas to explore and have fun withI believe this is better shown through the official mangas (both Shadow and Sword). Imada has pretty much been doing whatever he wants, and I don't think it is just because he is "superia Nihonjin comikku writa" in the eyes of SoJ, but because he respect (or tries to) the vision Sega has of their own characters, rather than trying to change them into their headcanon versions like Ian and Evan do.tl;dr: Ian and Evan create their own ball and chain.
>>152570639How do you know? Honest question, I often see comments of "Sonic this in Japan, Sonic that in Japan", but never anything to support the statements.
>>152570466You're correct, but also remember he's constantly getting harassed by autists. I have the mentality that allows me to laugh that shit off so I'd be fine in his shoes (I would not want to be), but most people try to avoid that stuff.
>>152562835Wow, glad I dedecided to not buy 3 Kiwami, 4 and 4 will be the ogs for me too
>>152569186I thought they were writing Eggman, not the Joker
>>152570684Danny's proof that you're right. Not because he's a better writer or anything, but because both stories he pitched so far are very much in tune with the brand identity and he apparently got zero notes despite shit like bringing a Classic robot into modern and discussing profiteering in a world without money. Ian and Evan have explained several times that when they pitch goofy, ridiculous bullshit like a zombie plague, Sega goes "Hell yeah!" It's only ever character interactions that cause issues (Shadow would NEVER pull a sword from a man's throat! Etc). They've even talked about Sega reps encouraging them to ADD more new stuff.I get that the crunch and delays suck if you fuck something up or get nitpicked by the licensor, but playing cautious based on that is just hurting yourself.
>>152570690He scored top 3 in a popularity poll. He also gets a lot of fanart.
>>152570747At the end of the day, I do wonder if they just can't do better, or going into conspiracy theory, are actually obssessed with the idea of making their ideal Sonic official and true.
>>152570466Ian is the kind of guy who got so hung up on "two worlds" that he just wouldn't put humans in the book instead of having the cast jump through a portal to get to human places without specifically saying it's a different world.He gets stuck on fitting the shape with the hole instead of getting the pieces through the hole.
>>152570850>Fucking MEPHILES over Vector, Eggman, or RougeI’d say Japan has shit taste but they redeemed themselves with Jet at number 10.
>>152570639Japan also loves Tingle, they aren't exactly arbiters of taste
>>152570747>>152570879Sega wants Sonic (as representative of all the characters in this analogy) the Character and Sonic the Brand to be in alignment and then for creatives to just place Sonic in whatever situations they see fit.Ian's entire claim to fame was basically parsing through the decade of Penders Era bullshit and spinning it into a cohesive vision the fanbase could get behind, a similar act he currently wants to do with the games themselves now given the chance.Which is also what Sega themselves want him to do, but on their terms.But because they refuse to let him develop Sonic the Character into the Archie/Adventure Era composite Ian created and built off of already (and which Evan despite having her own vision also holds as Sonic), instead of accepting that both Ian and Evan just drag their feet over it.
>>152571079Both Silver and Mephiles have sick ass Japanese voice acting that makes them come across as much more Shonen than their English counterparts.
>>152571309Ian wants to "develop" Sonic by either making him fuck up a lot and removing existing traits.
>>152571347Late 90s-early 2000s era Archie having Sonic morph into more of a Law and Order type hero with only a surface level presentation of freedom because of his princess GF did immeasurable damage to an entire generation of hardcore fans conception of Sonic.That shit basically poisoned the gene pool of Sonic interpretations going forward.
>>152571321There is something strangely poetic about the series bringing Daisuke Ono into their permanent cast, considering Knuckles took so many cues from Jotaro Kujo (a character that 7 years after being casted as Silver would become one of Ono's most iconic roles) when he was revamped to have a voice in SA1.
>>152570466>This franchise has been a cavalcade of contradictions, inconsistencies, and retcons since the Dreamcast era.Even that's being generous. Sonic 1 started with six chaos emeralds. Sonic 2 with seven. Spinball for some godforsaken reason increased that number up to a whopping SIXTEEN. Sonic 3 & Knuckles dialed it down to fourteen (two sets of seven emeralds, one set never being brought back or addressed again). Sonic the Fighters had eight Emeralds. It took all the way up until Adventure for Sega to finally set the Emerald count permanently to seven.Hilarious enough Ian sure as hell didn't have an issue with shoehorning his own retcon with this issue, by having the 8th Emerald from Fighters actually be the goddamn Warp Topaz. What about the remaining eight from Spinball, Ian? How the fuck you gonna explain that shit, huh?
>>152571440Spinball probably wasn't even canon.
>>152571440>Sonic 1 started with six chaos emeraldsThe funny part is that the Game Gear games were (almost: Spinball) consistent with the emerald number because they all took place on South Island.At least, when you remove Tails Adventure, which is on Cocoa Island, but still has the emeralds.
>>152571309The issue I see is that Sonic in Japan is very consistent through the games, even the ones that are English first, Japanese second. So, I'm not surprised they are shocked at Ian and Evan trying to change that version of Sonic (from their perspective) into a different one.
>>152571440>8th Emerald from Fighters actually be the goddamn Warp Topaz.Man they really had an entire special to say, uh yeah, Fang had this thing at some point. God the classic shit specials are so lame.
>>152562730I assume 5x doesn't count?
>>152571637I tend to like the Classic books, they're better than the mainline IDW books by leaps and bounds. But yeah, that Fang special was a misfire.
>>152567314>The whole Diamond Cutters people bitch about? That only exists to be an expy of the Knothole Freedom Fighters.Holy moly stopped reading there because you clearly havent put any thought into this whatsoever
>>152571482It surprisingly IS canon, even Origins confirms as such. It probably gets away as such because the original JP manual designated Spinball's Mobius as being an alien planet separate from Sonic's World, that Sonic and Tails simply visit to defeat Eggman on.
>>152571416I don't think a lot of the Japanese conceptions of these characters would really work well over here either. It's a balancing act and one I'm not sure anyone's aware needs to happen.
>>152567587>old IanThat man died with Archie. Enjoy his soulless clone.
>>152567587>>152573219The secret to Ian's success was Penders. For being a fuckup that was swiping ideas from Star Wars and Star Trek he left Ian with plenty of toys to play with. From the Pendering to the reboot to IDW, Ian had less Penders leftovers to repurpose and got worse as time goes on. What needs to happen is to bring in Penders as a consultant and ignore half the shit he says while rewriting the other half.
>>152564717>The writing was on the wall when they demanded the Surge/Kit rewrite because Starline creating them from scratch would have brought him too close to Gerald in terms of feat.Chiming in again to remind you that anything SEGA did to Starline was because he’s a hypnokink villain.
>>152573394Sega would never allow it. Penders' vision for the franchise is completely different from Sega's and the comics are "canon", so even what you propose is shaky.Plus between the Archie brouhaha and him endorsing a Knuckles-based bitcoin, I can't imagine Sega being too keen on having anything to do with him.
>>152573622This ongoing conversation makes me think I should write a pitch for a new Sonic comic just to see how /co/ would respond to it.
>>152568865>Seriously, do you people think the Japanese live under a rock?That's the narrative these days. It might explain why a lot of weebs seem hate westaboos now
>>152573622>him endorsing a Knuckles-based bitcoinI don't know if Penders never been able to move on from Knuckles is sad or infuriating.Actually, it is infuriating, I hate his Knuckles lore and I hate he keeps pretending it is something of value for the character.
>>152571440Spinball was based on SatAM and Archie, the latter originally having hundreds of green Chaos Emeralds instead of only seven in all colors. It was just following its own canon. Ian would probably say now that the ones in Spinball weren't really Chaos Emeralds, but Eggman's attempts to make artificial copies to power his fortress.
>>152573754Don't let it infuriate you anon. Be glad that you aren't Penders. When he passes away his death will be celebrated here and he likely knows that there are those that are looking forward to the day he kicks rocks so SEGA can finally fucking do something more with Knuckles without worrying about that autistic fuck trying to piss in their cornflakes.
>>152571440>Sonic the Fighters had eight Emeralds.See pics reel>Ian retcon as the Warp TopazActually, he implied that it was the Master Emerald.
>>152576488Kek
>>152573622And that's why IDW will continue to suck. Penders was the secret sauce and nobody is willing to admit it.
I want to get fucked by Knuckles
>>152578402Shut up Ian
>>152578402We know Rouge
>>152578415Ok, shitposting aside. Is Ian truly a Knucklesfag? I've seen the claim before, but never something to back it up.As a Knucklesfag myself, I've never seen Ian as a fellow Knuckles enjoyer.
>>152563686Who would the Chaotix dress up as?
>>152578402I want to get knucked by Fuckles.
>>152578814I think people mistook him sorting and utilizing the Penders Echidna mess as Knuckleswank and it stuck.
>>152578927That actually makes a lot of sense.And it just reminded me of when he wrote in the Archie Encyclopedia that the Dark Legion were the dumb cousins of the Nocturnus Clan.
>>152579131Yeah, the Knuckles Enerjack Arc was the big point where a lot of the accusations started when really it was just him using an existing concept and tying it to the most important Echidna in a dramatic way.
>>152578814I think if anything Ian really likes Knuckles and Sonic being bros because he's written them pretty chummy at times. Like really gay chummy.
>>152579131>when he wrote in the Archie Encyclopedia that the Dark Legion were the dumb cousins of the Nocturnus Clan.He was just following Penders' own lore. Knuckles, his family and everyone on the island were just the dumb cousins of the Albion echidnas.
>>152579347>He was just following Penders' own lore."And I took that personally"t. Ken P.
>>152579200People mistook his Archieboner for a Knucklesboner, but that's understandable given that at the time he took over as main writer, the Penders Knuckles Lore was deeply ingrained in the Archie General Lore.
>>152579363kek I loved it when Penders shit himself over Flynn using his stuff better than him.
>>152579492His huge hateboner against Ian has never ceased to amuse me.Even when he tries to praise him, no more than two posts later, he's already taking another unprovoked jab at the guy.
>>152579492It wasn't just Ian, Penders also hated the other writer, Karl Bollers, for daring to imply Eggman had better tech than the Dark Legion.
>>152565588Sega wouldn't allow that either, and it's depressing as fuck. Because a Faker v Faker fight with Shadow being the guy who GETS IT and is trying to pull the Imposters away from all this shit would be hype. Something for a fanwork on The Ride, I suppose.
>>152579236
>>152579675You obviously haven't read the comics.
>>152579795They both have girlfriends you absolute retard.
>>152579805Not in Archie.
>>152579831They have children in Archie. Goddamn you fags are such faggots.
>>152579838Possible future.
>>152579805>anon doesn't know about homo undertonesDo you have autism? Do you take everything at face value and fail to understand nuance? Considering you probably read some Sonic comics and are getting noticeably angry then I'm going to assume that you are.
>>152563686Will they allow Shadow to go Super too?
>>152565635Nah theyre hot as porn.
>>152579914Not likely, too "Unbatman-ish", he will instead reveal it was all part of a 5 step plan he came up with at the spot.
>>152579855>homo undertonesAKA faggot headcanon.
>>152579932>as pornYou just said the magic word.
>>152559196Sonic has never had a good comic
>>152565588>Wanting Shadow to be like the fangirl take of a uwu soil boi emo softie who acts tough but is a yaoi catered hero of all sorts of angsty justice being basically Megumi but furryNo thank you, Keep my Shadow dark, morally gray, comically edgy, violently cocky, and the serves as one of the most badass kids anti hero in video games who will outshine Sonic from time to time.
>>152578786Rouge is for Chadow, sega says.
>>152579946>Man who has read zero comics says all comics are bad
>>152579606Why wouldn't Dr Eggman have better tech considering the stuff he invents on the regular and all while being just one person instead of a culture or army?
>>152580215Because Penders made Echidnas so smart that Locke frames their desire to marry/mate as nature's way of nerfing them.
>>152580215Because Penders thinks too high of himself and what he "creates", thus nothing is allowed to outshine him.
>>152559294Shutup Boco
I miss her
>>152580081Anon, I said DON'T make him sappy, you can still help while being cool.
>>152580081>morally greyI guess I haven’t kept track with everything but the last time I checked Shadow cooled off and became a federal agent.
>>152580463Technically, only in Archie.In the games, GUN takes more of a "can you do us this favor, pretty please?" approach.
>>152580240Honestly Echidna's seem to exist just to get humbled in Sonic. Like in nearly all continuities they are absolute assholes who bring their hubris on them wether it comes in the form of Owls, Chaos, Dr Finitevus/Thrash or Bioware.
>>152580249Yeah that much was made clear from what little of his work on Archie I actually checked out, it's mental how much he props up his creations at the expense of anything or anyone else in the setting. People give Ian flack for some of his bias In IDW or Archie but he never got anywhere near as egregious as Penders did with his poochieism.
>>152580630Bollers sucked as a writer, and was responsible for the dark age era of the comics.
>>152580609That's kind of the point. Even prior to Sonic Adventure, the Sonic 3 manual states that the elders of a past civilization wiped out said civilization trying to take the power of "a certain stone".It's just that, in Penders' case, the Echidnas' humbling via Enerjak didn't stick and in his mind, they remain the superior species.>>152580660Bollers' work is hit-or-miss. He wrote some of the lamer stories like the high-school stuff, but he also wrote wrote stuff like Return to Angel Island and Tossed In Space, which were fun.
>>152580215Penders loved his creations and hated Eggman as a character. His vision was that the echidnas could topple Eggman any time they wanted, they simply chose not to because it wasn't their problem.There's actually an issue by Penders where Knuckles' people refuse to help stop Eggman because Sally didn't approve of them using nukes to do it.
>>152580660Yeah Karl Bollers had some pretty bad ideas planned and honestly before Ian Flynn took over the comic it seemed utterly aimless with what direction it wanted plotwise even after they finally got the main villain back after Dr Eggman/Dr Robotnik had been killed off in Endgame. Gallagher seemed like the only normal writer since he mostly understood what tone he was aiming for and didn't put baffling shit whenever he wrote unless it was aiming deliberately for comedy.
>>152580810Really adds an extra level of catharsis to the Eggman Empire just steamrolling the echudna's. Not so smug now that the fat scientist not only destroyed most of their culture but had the Dark Legion run crawling to him begging for tech implants so much for toppling him anytime they wanted eh.
>>152580810>Penders loved his creations and hated Eggman as a character.He came in when Robotnik was still being written as an ineffectual goofball, and Ken's very first story introduced his new-and-improved "Robo-Robotnik" who was many times more evil than the original ever was.
>>152580898>Eggman brags to Lien-Da that he knows the Legion and everybody else in his empire wants to overthrow him, and he lets them try knowing they'll waste all their strength feigning loyalty and then be slaughtered by him when they're no longer useful or amusingYou can feel how much Ian wants to write Eggman as THE ultimate evil.
>>152581056Honestly I think it helped that Archie Dr Eggman still got upstaged and suffered major setbacks like with Knuckles Enerjak destroying his city and the Egg Fleet, his eventual mental breakdown following that plus the Egg Beater getting destroyed and he was still afraid of Ixis Naugus even at the height of his success plus always was on the verge of snapping again whenever Sonic got involved. But yeah I did like that after the comic neglected him for so long or downplaying him that he got to remind everyone in the setting and reading the comic why he was the main villain of the franchise. I agree that sometimes he was made to evil at times even if I enjoyed how nasty he could be but it also was coming off hard to balance his game traits with the Satam/early Archie traits but I think the Reboot probably had his characterisation down the best tonally. Honestly current Flynn writing and old Flynn writing despite some similar traits do feel wildly different in some regards since although traces of his flaws were always there it feels like a lot of his writing strengths have slipped over the years.
>>152581056>You can feel how much Ian wants to write Eggman as THE ultimate evil.I mean that's how Eggman should be on stage like Archies in a post Adventure world. Eggman. For someone with an IQ like Eggmans he can afford to be goofy, fuck around, and tug the leash of everyone around him to rile them up because his genius alone makes him the holder of all cards. That being Eggman is also why I wanted to beat the shit out of every retard that even humored at the idea of Eggman going cold turkey after Frontiers just because he has Sage now. The fuck you mean UwU he has a dawghter now he'll be chill. Bitch please if this man isn't back pocketing a new way to open the Earth and fuck with dark gaia to make his amusement park, trying to enslave an island to make a robot army, or just taking a dump in the Sonics drinking water he isn't Eggman he's filler villain #12 Dr. Rofuckwit.
>>152581056No, he just want to write SatAM Eggman again.He really needs to let go.
>>152581887Exactly. SatAM Robotnik is considered the ultimate evil, but try as Ian might, the modern Eggman simply is not.
>>152581887Satam Robotnik wasn’t even the ultimate evil. He was scared shitless of Nagus and had to trick him to be rid of him. He didn’t even invent the roboticizer, Uncle Chuck did. Robotnik was a slimy opportunist in Satam. Between Robotnik and Sally’s character nobody misunderstood Satam more than Archie writers.
>>152582076Speaking of Naugus I actually think he's quite underrated as far as Sonic villains go. I actually think his design is pretty rad and him being a magic focus villain makes for a nice contrast to Dr Eggman. Though I like his old backstory more then his reboot one, it's just a lot more creative and made him more of an interesting character.
Did you really all make a thread out of a Sonic villain reveal, without talking about the reveal?
>>152582419I mean what is there to talk regarding the reveal besides he's got a cloak, a robot face and it wasn't Dr Starline like some people were expecting?
>>152582076He was scared of Nagus but otherwise was the main villain for the series run, never given good traits and portrayed relatively seriously (or at least, everyone mostly remembers the series elements).Archie Robotnik was also pure evil by the same metrics, but a lot of the time it was balanced out by the tone basically making him a slightly less angry AOSTH Robotnik (or, in a strange way, a heavily toned up game!Eggman with a sadism streak and western stylings in general).
>>152567899>You forgot "allergic to heterosexuality".Boco would know all about that, given he hates>Princess Peach>Amy Rose>Sally AcornAnd many other women characters, probably. Dude is a certified pipe layer.
>>152583669He hates Peach? I knew about the others but not that one
>>152583768Yep, he showed up in a Mario movie thread recently and started talking about how much he hated the video game version of the character, unprompted.
>>152580108they certainly are standing next to eachother.
>>152583669Not to defend Boco, but he isn't exactly wrong in that statement.
>>152583834I mean I like Rosalina most though I'm pissed what that movie poster unleashed but I don't get hating Peach since she is sweet and likable. At most I can understand not caring for her but full on hate is odd.
The core problem with sonic is that its setting has accidentally become far more fascinating than the competence of its writers can manage, japanese and western alike.Sonic is at its best when its a fun, 2d or 3d platformer with mature and dark themes. This is legitimately what they were trying to do in SA1, SA2, shadow's game, and sonic 2006 (which is SA3 rebranded because it failed as a project). It's why I value archie's setting despite it being wildly OOC. The stuff about the race war in archie, what it means to create artificial life in SA2, the abuse of an ancient deity in SA1 and having it backfire, the human/mobian relationship in 2006, the questions about nature vs technology throughout the series, the esoteric ancient cultures and shit you see in practically every game, the self-exploration of shadow's psyche across those 8 gorillion routes in his crappy game. There is no other series that does this, and its what gave sonic its unique edge over mario despite being a worse playing game. No, shit like gex doesn't count because it was never done seriously. Sonic is one of a kind in the game industry.Sonic should be like who framed roger rabbit, beastars, maus, etc. But none of the writers in japan know how to pull it off, and nobody in the west will understand this because "MUH FUNNY CARTOON ANIMALS SHOULDNT BE SERIOUS" because westerners are incapable of sincerity and maturity.It might have been pulled off in an rpg format if bioware, at the pinnacle of their competence, actually put their A team on it and got a proper budget and funding. Or if squaresoft at their best made a jrpg from it. But that ship has sailed.There is basically no team of people who know how to actually take advantage of the sonic setting, who know to tell the assblasted millennials mad about serious stories told with cartoon animals to fuck off and kill themselves, and who are competent enough to do it RIGHT without massively fucking up.Sonic is potential man, the series.
>>152583669He likes Blaze which confirms he has some good taste.
>>152584078>But none of the writers in japan know how to pull it offThey could, if they had a guy fully dedicated to it (Toyoda seems to like managing the lore, but not writing the stories). One way or another, they always end up fixing most of the issues in scripts originally produced in the West for the Japanese localization, or outright partially ghost write them without credit.The issue is that Iizuka, at some point, bought the idea that Sonic needs a gaijin writer in order to truly thrive in modern times, thus, it is unlikely we'll get a new original Japanese script in the future, not unless Imada breaks huge manga sales with Sonic and the Sword, and we know that's not going to happen.
>>152584078>There is no other series that does thisMega Man is kind of like that.
>>152584078>Sonic is at its best when its a fun, 2d or 3d platformer with mature and dark themes. This is legitimately what they were trying to do in SA1, SA2, shadow's game, and sonic 2006 (which is SA3 rebranded because it failed as a project).Funny that you bring up these games but not the one that nailed it the most that being Black Knight which only real rival is SA2 in terms of writing.
>>152584203Archie Megaman is what made me realize this. What an eye opener.
>>152584212>Black KnightI'm so glad Maekawa managed to finish his Sonic writer run with such a bang. Even if gameplay-wise I have my reservations, that story was great.
>>152584212I've never played black knight because the waggle gameplay filtered me. I might consider buying a bluetooth wiimote clone from amazon so I can emulate it one of these days.
>>152584276NTA, but the gameplay is much more manageable than Secret Rings. It still had its issues, but just for the story is not implausible.
>>152584212>>152584262>the one that nailed it the most that being Black Knight which only real rival is SA2 in terms of writingoh boy Sonic the Hedgehog sniffing a flower and giving pretentious speeches about how Chivalry says to ignore people in need (bullshit) and that he's better than that cause he only goes le his own way for 3 hours. Masterful writing.
>>152584319Damn yeah. that's the exact kind of writing Black Knight did and Sonic - the character - fags wank that to hell and back."Hneh Hneh sorry Excalibur, but even though you and chivalry say to ignore that crying little girl and let her and her Mom and Dad get raped and eaten by that Dragon, I don't FEEL like it cause I only go my own way and play by my own rules and i'm a bad boy but a true hero and i'm like the wind and I have a pure heart of gold and I don't mind playing the villain by stopping this evil Witch with her hell army and letting the Kingdom die while all the Knights agree this is the right thing to do and everyone says i'm right because every kingdom has its day or something *sniffs flower* Chilli CHEEEEESE??!!"Which is even dumber because Chivalry would absolutely demand you should protect the innocent. It's The seventh commandment of chivalry that you should ignore your feudal tasks and duties to follow the morals of God and protecting the innocent. And Nimue isn't even a feudal lord she just gave him some errands.Sonic just pretended he's an edgy Ghost Rider for doing the most basic bitch no moral difficulty at all protagonist thing ever then looked at the camera and shouted "THIS MAKES ME SPESHUL AND EDGY!! NOONE ELSE WOULD CHOOSE TO SAVE AN INNOCENT GIRL ABOUT TO DIE OVER DOORDASHING EXCEPT MEEEEE!!!! I'M BASICALLY THE JOKER???!?!?!?!?!"
>>152584262Yeah I have my reservations about the gameplay as well. Only reason I trugged through it is because the game is incredibly easy to cheese once you know what you're doing Lancelot Returns aside. Fuck that noise.>>152584276If the gameplay interest you enough go for it. As the other anon said it is more managable than Secret Rings which is a game I will never subject myself to replaying even if it has some admittedly cool stage ideas. If not just go ahead and watch the cutscenes on youtube. >>152584319Midwit response not worth taking seriously.
>>152584343You ok, son?
>>152584348Because you're too much of an illiterate sega simp to actually know real good writing.You just soiface because your soulless cartoon mascot sniffs his own farts and says some midwit instagram quotes because you're too dumb to read a real book or know good writing.
>>152584343>not only filtered by the game but doesn't understand basic characterizationLOL>>152584371Whoa midwit I ain't reading that temper tantrum of yours. Go back to drinking paint like a good boy.
Now wait for it...you can hear him typing as we speak mad as fuck.
>>152584366Yes. I'm describing what a hack "story" SATBK is to anyone with a reading age. And the exact kind of pretentious shit it's shilled for by manchildren who never grew up or got a job.If that makes you upset then I may have some bad news for you...
Like always, the problem is that Eggman is the only villain that matters
>>152584390He knew to back down.
>>152584378>basic characterisation is Sonic blabbing on about himself in speeches to the audience while dumbing everyone else down to kiss his shoesLemme guess, your idea of great writing is"yeah i have no problems playing the bad guy"then ALL the fucking characters in the cast telling him he's right and a hero and saving them all and Merlina's conjuring a giant tornado that's destroying everything in sight and then they crown him golden king of all the peasants at the end and the inventor of human philosophy.Go back to eating slop like the good dumb little piggy you are.
>>152584423I don't think I stuttered midwit.
>>152584428I didn't either, low-wit.
>>152584343Sonic cucks are not mentally capable of recognizing good writing, since they've never read anything except Sonic the Hedgehog even in their adulthood
>>152584433You didn't say anything retardbro. You just choked on your spit while regurgitating an AI generated response.
>>152584447I said plenty. You've only seethed and cried from my brutal takedown while anime avatarfagging to cover up like the lil bitch you are.Cause I'm right and you can't refute that you're tasteless and don't know actual good writing, you just know a cringy videogame mascot giving self-important speeches about himself, that only sound "deep" to someone thoroughly stupid and who never grew up.
Now all we need is someone saying something mildly negative about Shadow, and all the recurring /co/ Sonic cast members will be assembled.
>>152584459>another melty responseLike I said you ain't say shit.
>>152584467I said plenty."a cringy videogame mascot giving self-important speeches about himself, that only sound "deep" to someone thoroughly stupid and who never grew up"is not good writing. You're just Sonic's personal cocksucker, crying like a bitch because noone with a real life or job thinks Sonic the Hedgehog is DEEP
>>152584212>>152584262>>152584378>>152584390>>152584447>>152584467This you?https://files.catbox.moe/suljjb.mp4
>>152584462Tailsfags and Shadowfags are such insufferable retards.
>>152584489KEEEEEKright on the money
>>152584478>still nothingYawn. When you're done crying get back to me so we can have a real conversation.
>>152584489Yuck. But that's exactly how these tasteless Slop-Consoomers are so unfortunately true
>>152584478>>152584489Oh by the way sis if you're gonna samefag at least have 4chanX going with randomized filenames. Embarrassing.
>>152584491It's the blatant samefagging what I can't stand. If they at least were a bit subtle.
>>152584495>>152584489It's weird how automatic "kek so true" self quoting has become on 4chan. It's not even a meme, just a state of mind.
>>152584502I already did tho. You're still crying like the little fag and unable to refute me, or say an actual point, because you're too low iq.SATBK's writing is pretentious shit for manchildren and I've proven this with points. You've just seethed and brought up no points why it's good (cause it isn't), you're just the exact dysgenic consoomer livestock that they sell to.
>>152584478Imagine regurgitating demonic memes made by modern MKULTRA and thinking you have a right to criticize anyone. Your soul is sick and I suspect you are beyond redemption. Look forward to hell for your sins.
>>152584502>>152584509>exactly 1 minute apartthen Projecting your samefagging
>>152584524>The sonic Black Knight cuck is a tranny tooIt just keeps getting better and better LMAOOOOOAll trannies go to hell btw, and you'll be addressed by God with your birth name.
>>152584518>I already didAll you was out yourself as a midwit right out the door and have been dancing to my tune. >>152584527>he thinks that's samefagginigRetardbro the by the way was literally your first hint that it was a continuation of my other post but I'm not surprised your negative IQ ass didn't pick that up lmao
>>152584489This calls them out perfectly, and they'll hate you for it since all they have in life is pathetic mindless thoughtless consumption.
>>152584531God hates sexual degenerates. Like for example, a person who spent years on end obsessing over a cartoon fox's sex life. That would be someone God would hate.
>>152584535Dancing to the tune of your crying you mean?You've made zero points why it's good and you can't debunk anything I said.All you can do is post anime girls and cry like the little low iq bitch you are. Cause your whole identity is eating furry low iq Shit like BK
>>152584491Is he a Tailsfag?Asking out of curiosity.
>1754523205050Buddy...just install 4chanX. Randomly entering numbers isn't hiding you.
>>152584515He gets caught every single time and it's totally fuck-obvious who he is. I don't know why he bothers.
>>152584569>randomly entering numbers>He doesn't know a 4chan filenameTop Ten Highest IQ Black Knight shills
>>152584489OH nononononono...
>>152584489this btfoed him lmao
>>152584491If this thread has taught me anything it's that they make the best chimps to toy with. Like pissing off jeets just throw a little bait and they'll lose it.
>>152584489kek
>>152584566Yep. He has an obsessive hateboner for Sonic ever since Tails got "cucked" (even though the girl in question never even liked Tails) in an old Archie comic from back in the late 2000s. Nearly 20 years later he can't get over it.
>>152584583>i-i was actually just pretending to be retardedNah i'm sorry m8 anyone who consooms Slop like Black Kngight and gets so mad when you call it out is brown to the max
>>152584591He sounds like he'd make a great boyfriend for Penders. They can relate about their obsessions.
>>152584588>>152584579>>152584575We all know it's you, numbnuts. Your samefagging is obvious.
>proved my point
>>152584591What I lament most is that the nice drawfag who sometimes pops up in these threads has seemingly picked up the absolute worst behaviors of the Tailsfag.Provided they are not one and the same, but I doubt it.
>>152584489Doxxing isn't allowedWhere did you get this irl picture of every Sonicslop shill?
>Tails got cucked so I shit my diaper
>>152584621Bold of you think he'd wear a diaper.
>>152584489muh
>>152584489That's the grossest thing i've ever seen in my life....but also 100% true.
Look on the bright side you mind broke him so hard he'll samefag and help the thread hit the bump limit sooner. Question is how he'll shit himself in that other thread.
>>152584621Wow, the guy who posted this (not me, I swear!) must have a 12-inch penis, a smoking hot girlfriend, and a six-figure income!
>>152584489no way you could've animated that just for this thread. But I can't find the sourceI guess Sonicfags being shit-eaters with no taste is just a common and widely known problem.
>>152584621This is the funniest thing I've ever poste -- I mean, seen!
>>152584641>>152584645>1 minute apartSonic cuck....
>>152584489It's true but you didn't need to show it like that
>>152584621Kek, that reminds me of this pic which someone (not me, I swear!) just coincidentally happens to post in these threads! It's amazing how many people support me and I'm not a pathetically-obvious samefagging retard at all!
>>152584636Isn't this just some sort of performance at this point? I have a hard time believing he honestly thinks he's tricking anybody.
>>152584489oof
>>152584417If he did, he wouldn't be doing this for 6 years now, though it might be longer then that honestly it's just he's been obsessively posting for 6 years at minimum.
>>152584489Soniccucks btfoed
>>152584650Really annoying when some dipshit samefags, isn't it? You'd think someone like that would realize they aren't fooling anyone, but I guess samefagging retards lack self-awareness.
>>152584489best callout i've ever seen, thank you
>>152584489maybe one day they'll grow up and gain a reading age like us real adults.I doubt it.
>>152584489.........honestly deserved
>>152584658As someone who post on /vg/ trust me when I say schizos are never performative especially those that have access to the right tools like the fuck that took 3 fucking years to get rid of in my general. Don't even ask what he posted in our general...christ. They are unironically some of the most mentally unwell individuals you'll come across and count your blessings that this fuck is only manually spamming which is what makes him so pathetic. The real dangerous ones are those that know what they're doing.
>>152584489>>152584683truth hurts
>>152584685noone cares about your internet lifeblog faggot
>>152584690Don't worry sweetie I'm sure in a couple years you'll know where to look for those tools. For now keep manually spamming.
>>152584685There was this one nigger called Moorefag who kept spamming about how he wanted every cartoon to be edgy, wanted edgy stuff taken more seriously, and hated Disney for toning down the darkness in the original Grimm fairy tales.https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/y7RTlIJgv-KI0iTnabtEfw/https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/IRW-JaP-jF9Nq-iasFoyXg/https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/dmjw4QJPErRbwbAGH4cA1w/https://desuarchive.org/a/search/image/y7RTlIJgv-KI0iTnabtEfw/He even went to /a/ to post his opponents' arguments in the hopes that Anons there would refute them:https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/265637580/#q265648847
>>152584489they're the kinds to look at slop like archie and the crying lesbians in idw and yell "ayo peak" because it has their IP sonic the self-insert on itlike the nogs with no frontal lobes they are
>>152584489exquisite.
What I don't get is why there are so many replies for a catbox link that isn't even working?
>>152584707It's a video of an obese Sonicfan crying and eating Sonic's shits
>>152584489
Stop samefagging you daft cunts no one cares about your interpersonal gay ass general drama
>>152584712....why would anyone have that saved to their computer?
>>152584707I dunno, I guess people really love a broken link. The only alternative would be that a some stupid Pajeet pedophile who is obsessed with Tails is samefagging the thread, but that's honestly too pathetic to be believable.
>>152584719By jorno_arts on xwitter dot com
>>152584722So he can keep samefagging it to oblivion to pretend that anyone itt cares about this gay drama of his, i reckon if we all press the you know what button that alert the mods every single reply to that post would magically disappear
>>152584489Sonic and the Black Knight, by James Gunn:THAT IS WHERE YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN WRONG ABOUT ME MERLINAI'M NOT A KNIGHT AT ALLI DON'T CARE ABOUT CHIVALRY, I WAKE UP AND I CHOOSE TO GO MY OWN WAY EVERY DAY DOING THE RIGHT THING. I DON'T LOOK BACKTHAT IS BEING THE WIND, AND THAT IS HOW YOU LIVE A LIFE OF POWER. I HOPE SOMEDAY YOU GET LIVE YOUR LIFE TO THE FULLEST AND SEE EVERY WORLD HAS ITS END *sniffs a flower and his own farts*Sonicfags, please tell me how heckin DEEP this is.
>>152584489...
>>152584738Its really fucking obvious when all of the responses are one minute apart from each other, he does this on /sthg/ sometimes too
>>152584685What I don't understand is why they specifically target Sonic(the character)fags? I've seen Sonic(the franchise)fags going rabid over characters, but never Sonic.Maybe I've been to the right circles, but still.
>>152584697>same md5God he's a fucking idiot. Love it when they get attached to an image because 4chanX gives you the tools to deal with them right out the door.
>>152584726That'd be silly, you think they would've gotten other hobbies or a better use of their time after this many years. Oh well suppose nothing can be done since jannies clearly aren't getting rid of any of the insane posters that just want to make threads into their personal asylum rooms for their ranting and ravings.
>>152584489lol2 true
>>152584719I would honestly read IDW a lot more if Tangle wore a red leotard.>>152584738Silly Anon, mods never ban schizos.
>>152584764Do you just really like red leotards?
>>152584524>>152584489>Sonicfags eat shit and clap like seals>also unironic trannies itt
>>152584773If you are gonna samefag can you atleast be less gay about it, fucking retarded toddler no wonder no one likes you
>>152584748Not sure. I don't think it was even Black Knight that broke him this time, just me calling him a midwit. Hurt his feefees and when I refused to engage any further he lost it.
>>152584771To be fair anthro girls in leotards I can understand. Now if IDW had reptile babes or more sea animal characters, then that'd motivate me personally to actually read it beyond snippets in threads here. Also more original villains that are actually effective would be nice.
>>152584489where did you get this video of me????I love Black Knight because my self-insert Sonic says a bunch of pretentious midwit quotes I found on instagram then everyone bows down to him and crowns him kingpic rel it's my selfie
>>152584781says the tranny kekmaybe you'll get to play Sonic games in hell, after your axewound rots and you go into sepsis
>>152584748Bullies and other assorted asswipes love to project massively. Tailsfag obsesses over Tails, so he assumes that all Sonic fans are obsessed with Sonic. It can't possibly be that we don't want every other thread to have some blithering retard spamming "KEKSHIT SLOP CONSOOMER," it's that we're all butthurt that he's besmirching Sonic's good name or something.If he admitted that we don't hate him because he mocks Sonic, he'd have to admit that we hate him because he's a retard.
>>152584746>when all of the responses are one minute apart from each otherWhich ones?
>bump limitThanks for putting on a good show midwit-kun, helped me burn some time while I waited for my game to finish installing.
>>152584489Sonicfags and taste or standards or growing up are just two things which never coincided
>>152584796>>152584803>1 minute apartwait...
>>152584793Corny
>>152584810>>152584813>1 minute apratwait...
>>152584813Wait....
>>152584819You think 8:30 is 1 minute after 7:53?Learn to count bro. No wonder you shill shitty Sonic games if you can't even count to 60
>>152584489btfoed
can anyone give me a rundown on this schizo and why he likes samefagging so much
>>152584489funniest shit i've ever seen
>>152584825Why aren't you using the tomorrow theme? Hell why don't you have 4chanX installed? I went a spiel earlier in the thread about its importance when dealing with schizos like him. Get on it man.
>>152584489>Sonicfans love eating shit and telling people it's good>Seethe and go into melties if you call them out or ask them to say why>They all self-insert and have no lives away from the internetBros, i'm suspecting that Sonicfags are...
>>152584851Well you also didn't know what 4chan filenames are, so I don't really need you to lecture me on baby's first extension.
>>152584857Don't get snippy with me mister.
>>152584489gotteem
>>152584489never seen one guy get so Badly BTFO by 1 vid before
>>152584837He's the Tailscel. There's this old Archie Sonic comic where Tails loves a girl fox called Fiona who turns out to be evil and she ditches Tails for an evil alternate-universe Sonic called Scourge.He got super-mad about this and has hated the Sonic franchise ever since. He hates every single piece of Sonic media that doesn't have Tails having a fight scene, and is super-pissed that Tails has mostly just been Sonic's IT guy lately. He samefags because he wants to convince himself that everyone in these threads doesn't hate him for being a blithering idiot.If you see someone spamming pics of Sonic eating shit and calling Sonic fans "consoomers of slop" or some shit, it's the Tailscel.
>>152584489so true.
>>152584489>mfw running from this post (its all samefags)
>>152584837You see the stuff he's doing In this thread? 6 years of it now since the ride storytime all cause of an Archie Storyline with Tails. Though the catbox link that isn't working he's mass self replying to is admittedly a more recent addition.
>>152584875>>152584887Thats funny, thanks, hoping he doesnt ruin the next IDW thread
>>152584489put me in the screencap
>>152584895He's likely targeting the DCxSonic thread as we speak. No one call him a midwit or else you'll give him ptsd and he'll have a melty again.
>>152584895He probably will, he's not got anything better to do with his time like a job, watch a movie or have a social life even in the form of an online only one.
>>152584489oh my
>>152584489callout levels previously unheard of
>>152584906Don't associate Ultraman Jack with your schizo self-masturbation post.
>still goinglol
>>152584489>>152584920cry about it. He's right, you soniccucks need to stop being little bitches when people criticise your self-insert sloppa
>>152584489BasedBasedBasedBasedBased
>>152584489damn this really pissed them off. They think shit like this is "deep" though so no wonder, they wanna be adults still in the nursery pen
>>152584928So was it on purpose admitting that you're samefagging since you used the exact terms he has been using for years?
>>152584489I...
>>152584489>>152584958there is no joke. Sonic fans unironically love eating shit, just literal turds, then screech and cry when you criticise it.
>>152584489lmao
>>152584489somebody pull the plug on them kek they're better off dead
>>152584489tactical nuke
>>152584489ermm, homophobic much?
I see the little bitch finally gave up.
Before the thread dies i want to say that lanolin has big boobs
Well, the final stretch derailed the thread, but overall... I had a good time.Good night/day, anons! Take care and remember... it is just Sonic characters.
>>152584964>>152584793>>152584773>>152584588If you truly are the drawfag following the example of your fellow Tailsfag... I hope you realize the people you are getting involved with, without losing your enthusiasm for drawing and Tails.
>>152584078>Sonic should be like who framed roger rabbit, beastars, mausAnon the fact that you said this shit ironically is the problem. You listed three wildly different tones and setting, two of which are wholly incompatible with what Sonic's doing, and the third only somewhat comparable. Like, there's a reason Sonic gets mocked to high hell when it comes to shit like Archie or 06, because at a certain point being this series getting overly "serious" just becomes lame.
>>152584875What surprises me the most is the level of projection, sperging about their invisible enemy doing this and doing that... then proceed to do exactly the same.Reminds me of a certain Shadowfag (of the shipper kind) that roams /sthg/.
