The serum makes you peak human but like, hasn't the Marvel universe consistently surpassed that?

>>152564712
The super soldier serum needed to react with Bucky’s cum inside his stomach to work.

>>152564726
Yeah, like Shang-Chi and Iron Fist and the undead ninjas of The Hand. Plus magic and sci-fi raising a persons abilities further.

But what makes Steve truly special is his pure heart and willpower.

If you knew the number of "secret" or "lost" formulas that have been completely figured out or the easiest way to figure them out is right there? It's not even really a surprise.
Roman concrete, Greek Fire, the fucking Coca Cola recipe?
We got em all figured out. We just like to "preserve the mystery" and when someone larps like "I don't think this is REALLY" it. We all play along.
Like, you really think Coke went that many fucking decades without anyone taking a commercially available product and reverse engineering it with commercially available lab equipment? Hell no.
Roman concrete, talk to any engineer, and they'll say "yeah we know but it wouldn't fit something like a modern road with modern cars and modern traffic."

>>152564712
It's like Wolverine supposedly being the ultimate super soldier. It's a basic conceit of the stories, just roll with it.

>>152564809
>the fucking Coca Cola recipe?
This one is protected by layers of lawyers and copyright laws.

>>152564867
Yeah but someone just outed the whole thing in a youtube video and figured it out. The only real difference between the homemade stuff and the company proper?
The company proper still has a (legal) degree of coca leaf in there, just not active to the degree of a proper drug. Dude chemical analyzed that shit and the "secret" part of the drink only makes up about 1% of the drink.

>>152564712
it's basic biochemistry. once you change something to a different state, you cannot always get the parts back of the equation that made the whole

that's the problem. whatever made steve into steve 2.0 is what's lost. it fundamentally changed him, so you've got an entire different set of building blocks you can't break back down

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>>152564712
>I’m not even getting into all the other Serums like Widow’s or the Infinity Formula or whatever.
Please recognize Bobbi.

>>152565220
Clint and Bobbi are mutually destructive in their "loser" perception.

>>152564712
Does the Super Serum goes by movie rules where if you're not a pure saint in your heart the serum turns you into a psychopath?
But if not, why wouldn't you want it? Not just for soldier, to anyone that can pay for it, it's an upgrade with no downsides, no danger and no requirements besides money, just take it

>>152564726
>at all times there's like 3 million other things existing that could make you a super human as strong as Captain America
>even makes you do more shit
I think it's about the control then

>Constantly trying to replicate the super soldier serum that just makes you peak human
>Not trying to replicate the X-Gene that gives you a variety of abilities
>Not trying to replicate Hyperion or Blue Marvel or any of the other Superman clones that are more powerful than humans

Assuming the SSS is perfectly replicated with no serious downsides like multiple replications have caused, like mental instability or severe health issues, like those super soldiers that suffered from random aneurysms, or more recently, Colton's serious heart condition, it could be widely distributed to the rest of the human population and eliminate a ton of problems, so there's still a really good reason to replicate it despite other means of gaining superpowers being more powerful.
>I’m not even getting into all the other Serums like Widow’s or the Infinity Formula or whatever.
Widow's is a weaker reproduction, it doesn't elevate her attributes to the same level as Steve's. As far as the Infinity Formula, the SSS also enhances longevity and maintains youth, the extent isn't entirely clear, but Steve spent 12 years in Dimension Z but was cited to not have aged a day.

It's still worth to reproduce it, raw power doesn't factor entirely into it because it offers so many more benefits.

>>152564726
It bounces back and forth between "peak human" and Steve running past subway trains and throwing hands with 80-foot-tall robots and winning. If you ignore the concept of peak human and just focus on the "super" part of super soldier serum, it makes a lot more sense.

>>152565975
iirc there was a failed blue marvel copy who couldn't control his powers.

>>152565975
Imagine not trying to replicate Whizzer. Just get a snek and a mongoose.

>>152565975
>Not just picking up a magic book and becoming diet Dr Strange after a few months of study

>>152566058
>get tentacle raped to death by a random demon because you fucked up the somatic portion of a spell
I'd imagine there's a good reason why there aren't more magic users out there.

>>152564712
The reason why the SSS is so desirable is because you give it to anyone and in a few minutes you've someone who can hit every single world record for physical ability. They age at fractional rates, barely get sick, rapidly heal, and if some of them go rogue they're not so powerful that it becomes a problem for normal people to take them on. And best of all they'll still fit the ergonomics of everything designed for non-enhanced people. Gamma enhancement gets you someone who can barely fit in normal sized room and comes with a lot of potential side-effects, the x-gene is a total crapshoot, Iron Man suits require an advanced industrial and manufacturing base with high-end resource inputs, the SSS can be made with decades old technology, produces consistent results, and churned out in bulk.

>>152565975
>>Not trying to replicate the X-Gene that gives you a variety of abilities
The ongoing X-Men run is about exactly that.

>>152564809
>Roman concrete, Greek Fire
I thought the mystery of lost formulas like these is not that we can't replicate them but rather we have multiple ways that the ancients feasibly could have done them, we're just not sure which are the true historical ones because all we have are vague descriptions to go on.

>>152566351
More or less correct. Greek Fire is considered to be a categorical term rather than a specific formula by modern historians. Much like modern times Rome had several varieties of concrete and different proportions of ingredients have different results. We've known the chemical composition of Roman cements for a long time just not the specific sources for those chemicals.

>>152565975
This is an Ultimate thread, the x-gene WAS an attempt to recreate the Super-Soldier serum in that universe. Wolverine was the first mutant created by Weapon X.

>>152566272
People overestimate the usefulness of physical upgrades for military use. It's nice that some trigger puller can haul more than an ox and run faster than a cheetah with the serum, but the other enhancements are far more valuable. Spider-Man can get sick and laid from some really basic illnesses, Hulk can toss around tanks and eat missiles all day but keeping control of himself is a crapshoot, Wolverine can heal faster but that doesn't really matter when the most effective weapons used in the military that aren't small arms still remain a threat, etc. It's the combination of enhancements that makes the SSS better suited for military use than many sources of power that came later for people on and off the field.

>>152566798
>Spider-Man can get sick and laid from some really basic illnesses
Meant laid out, but he'd definitely get pretty sick from an STD.

>>152566272
>produces consistent results
With a sample size in the single digits, how would you know?

>Villians makes a auction, because someone has a vial with Logan's Blood
>All heros must stop this!
>Logan bleed everywere
>The day is save!

>>152564712
I thought it was that nobody's ever been able to recreate the Vita-Rays which was the other half of making the serum work.

>>152565597
That's purely movie stuff. Comic SSS doesn't care about the recipient's personality, only how it's properly synthesized and activated.

>>152564712
why not try to replicate Spiderman's powers instead, he's basically Captain America x20 and with webs

>>152567065
Orchis was smarter about this. They correctly recognized that cloning Logan is fucking stupid because he's not that special. So when they looted his corpses it was to recycle his adamantium skeleton. Because large quantities of adamantium are actually hard to come by.

>>152567727
Because that would make Captain America seems less special.

>>152564712
They tried

>>152567727
That’s Norman Osborn’s goal in the USM show, to create an army of spider-soldiers. The Scorpion and the Human Fly are also basically this, with them being funded by Jonah Jameson for maximum drama.

>>152564867
Guy walked into PepsiCo's offices and claimed to have Coke's recipe. The person at the desk punched a button, spoke to their opposite number at Coca-Cola and said "you want us to hold him until you get here?"
That's the story for stupid people. The actual story is Pepsi came out of a divorce settlement where they were GIVEN the Coca-Cola formulation as long as they modified it. Where Coke used lemon citrus (now phosphoric acid), Pepsi uses bergamot plus a lesser amount of phosphoric acid. They both KNOW how to replicate each other's formulas, always have, that's not the point.

>>152565975
>Not reading any comic books that answered all of these

>>152564712
Are any of the post-Secret Empire runs on Cap worth reading? Steve or Sam, doesn't really matter, I've no real attachment to either.

>>152567727
Because the SSS still gives upgrades that Spider-Man's doesn't. Upgrades that are more useful in a general sense than punching harder and flipping through a city. Spider-Man can dodge through a building full of thugs with guns, but that doesnt matter much when he has multiple smart munitions or hypersonics headed his way. Unless you're jacked like the Hulk, super strength and toughness don't matter when some of the heavier stuff is brought to bear, which is why its more important to have the serum's soft qualities. At best, it'd be better suited for special units that can do more sensitive work that don't require a lot of firepower and more subtlety and speed.

>>152567944
I'm confused, what does the serum offer that the spider who bit Spider-Man doesn't?

>>152564712
It is not at all difficult to imagine the serum makes a change in the person and then isn't actually coursing through his veins. Vaccines work like that, classic or MRNA.
However
Since writers are rarely scientists and he's lost the serum from his body a few times, it doesn't make a lot of sense.

>>152564712
That's better the making a bland "service to self" faggot like tony stark the focal point of everything in the known universe like in the MCU..Cap is a great character overall so I have no problem with this

>>152564726
Just because you have motorcycle which is faster than a bicycle and an improvement over it doesn't mean that the old design will gone vogue. This is true for many other devices or inventions. Sometimes new design replaced old design but not necessarily.

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At the end of the day, the writers really want Cap to be special and justify his reason for being on the Avengers. The same way DC will nerf all other characters to make Batman look good.

>>152564726
>>152568122

>Gone vogue
Sorry, I mean gone obsolete

>>152568154
It makes sense with Batman not with Cap and Cap isn't even in the same league as Batman in terms of popularity. Spiderman, Hulk etc are more of a household name in Marvel than him.

>>152568154
I'd argue it's much more justified with Captain America then Batman since it never gets as absolutely awful or character assassinating everyone in proximity as it does with Bruce Wayne. Steve Rogers even without serving in WW2 is generally an actual qualified leader and much more pleasant to his allies with fairly justified grievances when they come up alongside at least being superhuman still compared to how much of a paranoid and insecure asshole Batman can be who has put more thought into how to deal with his allies then actually sorting out some faggot clown alongside being written as essentially an absurd superhuman despite supposedly being a regular underdog with no powers.

Mother of tits that was a block of text, reformatting it.

>>152567963
Spider-Man can still get sick, there have been multiple points where Peter has been thrown off his game enough to have his or someone's life threatened because he came down with an illness, but the serum grants immunity, or the closest it can to any known disease or illness. It also enhances information processing and retention, meaning people can learn and train skills in a greatly reduced amount of time, skills that could take weeks to become adequately trained or years to master can be learned in less than a day, Beast making it a point that Steve can learn and master weapons and combat skills in seconds, and Steve getting an upper hand on Kang using his own futuristic styles despite just encountering it. Steve can also never forget and has perfect recall for everything he's been taught or encountered.

Spider-Man might have superior reflexes, but he can still forget and get rusty through age and lack of practice, he can still be significantly muddled by drugs or toxins, and even if he is a quicker study than most he still learns skills at a slower pace, but Steve will always remain at peak readiness no matter how old he gets, which is something that he also doesnt worry about much because his aging has been greatly slowed, so not only can last age much slower and a lot more gracefully, he'll always remain sharper until the day he passes.

Spider-Man might be physically superior, but not to the point where it makes the serum obsolete. Unless you're enhanced to the point where you can get into a knockdown fistfight with the Hulk and have a good chance of winning, you're not superhuman enough to substitute heavy ordnance and guided munitions. A top to bottom roster full of guys like Steve is more useful for the functioning of a military than guys like Peter.

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>>152564712
>Cap is right there and yet it’s never been able to be replicated
Well I'm not a scientist, nor do I claim to be a bullshit comic scientist, but let's try and break this down:

They need a serum, meaning the drugs and precise formula to make it, not a DNA sample. Extracting DNA is easy, breaking it down and reverse-engineering a drug from it is another. It stops being a drug, and just dilutes into the metabolism of the host, thus changing their DNA. You have an end result, but working backwards process is a hell of a feat trying to figure out what chemicals were introduced to make that altered organism. So lets say hypothetically you somehow do study Steve's cells, and discover base elements of the formula to ballpark it, there's still a shit ton of work to do. It's figuring out missing elements, measurements of the mixture, dosage, and that doesn't even figure what treatments need to be done to either the subject or serum itself to create the end result. Keep in mind Cap was exposed to Vita-Rays, which in tandem with the serum being administered means that the serum itself is created as its introduced into the subject. Then even IF you figure out some version of the formula AND the steps involved to make a Steve Rogers, you have to test the hell out of it to see if said treatment can be mass produced with favorable results. People react differently to drugs, and we have no way of knowing what side effects can manifest under even slightly altered conditions. Age, genetic history, blood type, sex, prior medical history, etc etc

Am I making sense here

>>152568154
It's nowhere near the same situation. Captain America at least has the justification of a super drug to at least explain why he can hang with the fights the Avengers get involved in. Batman is practically infamous for being seen as the most dangerous and capable person in the room despite Superman, multiple Green Lanterns, or other geniuses like Mr. Terrific also being present.
>>152568253
Popularity is the reason why they keep diminishing other characters in favor of propping up Batman and his cast over others, that's not a good thing. Captain America isn't written to almost constantly cast a shadow on the rest of the cast, Batman is.

>>152564712
>literally just a guy with a shield
>literally just a guy with a bow
Why are they taken seriously?

>>152568732
Everyone forgets the Vita-Rays! Also, Steve has always been superhuman after the SSS treatment. The idea that the drugs and zapping only made him a less equipped Batman persists on /co/ for reasons I can never figure out.

>>152564726
You can try to justify it in-book as hard as you can. But it all comes down to Cap being popular, and thus he needs something special to be, well, special.

>>152569776
He's not even that popular.

I've always been curious. Did the serum alter his sperm? If so, why doesn't someone just get some semen and go about their day making clones?

>>152569885
Steve Rogers and Tony Stark are sterile.

Why the Serum when Extremis makes you way, way more of a threat?

>>152569748
Cause they are well written characters?

>>152569853
Uh huh sure which is why he has had multiple solo runs, movies, countless appearances in animated series and has stuck around for 86 years despite being a character hard founded in his specific era.

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>>152570109
I mean, look at Mallen.
I NEVER saw Cap get to this level of outright monstrous.
He doesn't even seem to be destabilized by the stuff.
Both times it was used worked flawlessly.

>daredevil blind in a world with magic
>captain america, nightcrawler, and daredevil catholic in a world where multiple gods exist
>avengers struggling to take down any enemy at all in a world where they antman shrink rays
>hulk being considered a big bad uncontrollable monster when the hulk experiment has been replicated several times and each time the person has retained full control of their mind and personality
>the thing never being cured in a world with magic
>ironman suits being unique to ironman instead of replicated by governments the world over
>mutants having mystical powers despite their mutations being a result of altered DNA
>multiverses existing where anything and everything can happen but also every universe NEEDS a spider-man and 99% of them are the same geeky kid from the 21st century, or the fabric of time and space will collapse
Comics are stupid

>>152569764
I think vita-rays were an excuse to rapidly speed up Steve's cellar growth to become a normal person, then the SSS kicked in to make him more.

>>152570220
>I think it's due to the specifics of his abilities. He can see BETTER than the average person in all honesty.
>Why wouldn't they be?
>Sometimes it doesn't work I guess?
>He's also much stronger than any of them
>Cosmic rays bitch
>They're stupidly expensive
>I mean, why not?
>I mean, yep

>>152569764
Marvel hung their hat on Captain America being peak human for decades in databooks and character summaries, so people assume they're the same thing since Batman is also identified as peak human. They've been shifting towards being solidly superhuman since the early 00s, but recently they don't even bother pretending that he is anything but. Unless I've missed panels of Batman breaking the speed limit running on foot, they're not the same.

>>152570220
Also
>Death in a world where people have been resurrected multiple imes

It wasn't just the serum in the original version.
Steve had to be exposed to the "Vita Rays" as well.
The Nazi killed the professor, destroyed the only copy of the formula, and wrecked the apparatus.

80 years of scientific progress and we still can't duplicate the work of one genius.
Might as well ask why Richards, Doom, Valeria, or Moon Girl don't take an afternoon off to solve the problem.

The solution is to make it so that creating super soldiers is risky and kills 99% of people experimented on. Steve got lucky. Years of attempting to replicate it deemed jt not worth the hassle plus as you said there are better alternatives. So now Steve is one of the few if not the only super solider that exists. Problem solved.

>>152564712
I hate Steve Rogers, mainly because I fucking HATE "good" characters. Nobody is like that, nobody wakes up and says "I want to do the right thing" like fucking Rey from Star Wars. The first thing people think of is taking a shit and eating. People are inherently selfish, self-motivated and only behave pro-socially over deep seated shame or empathy, this needs to be understood in any story or characterization. "Virtue" in reality isn't saving puppies, feeding the homeless or any of that shit, it looks like a soldier occupying an enemy's families house, thinking: "I will likely be dead tomorrow because of these people, I want to kill them, take their food and rape the women, fuck these subhumans to DEATH" and then not acting out on those desires because that last shred of humanity you have is begging you not to do it so it can tell you you're a good person. It's having to do horrible things and then cope afterwards because you really didn't have a choice and you made your decision. It's bailing your retarded whore sister out of bind that you have told her endlessly wasn't a good idea, but she is too stupid to get it and now you need to save her from herself and make enemies of bad people.

Aristotle and Plato solved morality 2000 years ago and faggots like Kant and Hume have been poisoning the water since, all these tolkien fags are just assblasted christfags mad they don't control the narrative anymore. God I want the superhero genre to die.

>>152570487
Man, you really are retarded

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In regards to this topic, why doesn't Marvel (or anyone else really) bring up the Golden Sentry Serum in regards to the Weapon program and such? It was never stated that whomever created the base version was a flawed or inaccurate version of Steve's SSS, before it was upgraded a thousand times. Like, did no one question how Sentry got his powers and how it relates to Captain America?

You can make an argument that since the project as truncated and handed over to different orgs and such and eventually people forgot about it, but Scout was able to source the formula by himself in that one mini.

>>152570568
Because you don't want a soldier more powerful than the military

>>152570220
>adredevil blind in a world with magic
Why should magic existing invalidate blindness
>captain america, nightcrawler, and daredevil catholic in a world where multiple gods exist
You're really stupid, this post is a waste of my time.

>>152570816
The irony of your post

>>152568552
>and even if he is a quicker study than most he still learns skills at a slower pace

That has to do more with Peter himself being pretty smart and academically inclined than anything to do with the spider enhancement, though, doesn't it? Someone else getting bit by the same spider as Peter wouldn't become as intelligent as he is, any more than being exposed to gamma would make someone as smart as Banner.

>>152564712
I always thought the problem wasn't replicating the serum. In fact, I thought that they had replicated the serum back in the 50s, but the problem was that for whatever reason nobody clued in that the fucking vita-rays were needed to stabilize the serum so you don't turn into a psychopath.

>>152570615
I don't know how people keep missing this point in this thread. Why the hell would the military willingly want to develop something it can't guarantee full control over that can run roughshod over it when it feels like it? A super soldier just makes the regular military work a lot better without having to make so many safeguards to ensure that not a single person can go rogue and ruin things on their lonesome. Captain America can be taken out with relatively minimal firepower, Wolverine can be taken out with relatively minimal firepower, Spider-Man can be taken out with relatively minimal firepower, Hulk can wipe out entire armored divisions and bases by himself all while shrugging off whatever can be dropped on him, Sentry can just ignore it entirely. Anything Hulk and above can't be fit to be called a soldier, they're a fucking WMD.

>>152570893
I was going to say that in a world of literal gods and super science Captain Marvel still died of cancer, but then I remember Blackanda actually has a cure for cancer and Black Panther just withheld it and let him die because he was white.

>>152570487
Haha you are a smelly idiot

>>152571119
Don't Captain America, Wolverine and Spider-Man regularly deal with minimal firepower constantly and effortlessly?

>>152571119
The army's still going to want WMDs, though. So while you'd absolutely love to have a million Caps in uniform ready to go, you're also probably going to want a bunch of Hulks or (sane) Sentries around because the enemy's going to have them too, and you never know when Dr. Doom or Red Skull or Namor or the muggas are going to chimp out, or when you might want to invade Asgard or Wakanda because someone decided 1. Invade (country) 2. ??? 3. Profit.

>>152571148
They also regularly get fucked up by it since comics are inconsistent as fuck.

>>152571095
That's the point, the spider bite doesn't confer as wide of an upgrade even if its physical enhancements are superior to the SSS. The serum is an upgrade to all faculties, physical and mental. Peter's naturally very intelligent, but even he had to actually study for a relatively believable amount of time to understand the subjects he's working on, but the super soldier serum cuts a shitload of time off on acquiring and retaining information, it's a very overlooked quality only because it's not as directly useful in a fight as hitting someone harder, and Captain America is not exactly interested in being a scientist or engineer, just using that ability to know how to fight better.
>>152571148
Captain America is tough, but not bulletproof tough, neither is Wolverine or Spider-Man, and only Wolverine gets an asterisk because he can heal from it eventually and the adamantium makes headshots only knock him out, but a dedicated kill team can definitely bring enough firepower to make sure he's down long enough to no longer present a threat before more permanent measures can be more immediately brought up.
>>152571159
The problem is control, one Hulk is bad enough, the military can't even reliably collar him when they try, and Sentry has proven that nobody else but himself or someone on his level can rein him in.

>>152571159
Muggas?

>>152571241
>>152571170
Durability isn't what I mean since yeah they can get hurt and killed since Captain America literally got sniped plus Spidey has been shot several times but I mean more so they fight armies and deal with armed forces so frequently plus efficiently deal with them since they are trained superhumans. Hell Captain America and Wolverine on the regular deal with armed forces plus stuff worse then military guys such as Supervillains, aliens and so on is more so what I mean.

So we really are just gonna ignore Extremis and how it made Mallen a bulletproof killing machine huh?

>>152571241
Viz a viz control/Hulk, Banner's not particularly tractable, sure, but there's other gamma exposed types who are. I just used Hulk as a shorthand for that, which is sloppy and confusing.

Norman Osborn did a pretty good job with the Sentry for awhile there, until the plot demanded Bob got out of control.

You're 100% correct, of course, but in the context of a world where this shit's on the table you know the US's going to want their own Sentries and Hulks because they're going to worry about Chinese and Russian equivalents, and if there's not mutants they'll worry about super-terrorists and or super-BLMs having super-fiery but mostly peaceful protests.

>>152571374
Yeah. I got a mutie friend, so I get a mugga pass. Got a problem with that?

>>152571542
Sure, but there's been times when Cap and Wolverine got taken down by teams of normal guys. It's probably less common these days, especially for Wolverine who gets nuked and laughs it off and regenerates in a single page.

>>152571645
It got talked about further upthread, dingus.

>>152571645
Extremis only works on 2.5% of recipients, plus it’s exceedingly expensive compared to the SSS. Additionally, there’s also the issue of control as previous anons have discussed. Extremis makes you straight up bulletproof, heal rapidly, gives you enhanced speed, fire breath, electrical discharges, hyper reflexes, and extreme stamina. Tony’s missiles at point blank range left little more than scars on Mallen, so in the event a patient goes “fuck it!”, what’s the schmucks at Fort Fuckening Military Base going to do?

not to go off tangent but in 616 didn't the Super Soldier Serum basically turn into some kind of virus inside Cap's body which self replenishes itself and makes it impossible to copy or some bullshit?

>>152571119
This is also the main reason why the military wanting Iron Man suits also works extremely well. Even ignoring Tony’s background as a weapons development contractor, a suit of heavily armed mechanical armour that is simultaneously capable of walking off artillery strikes on the ground and having levels of manoeuvrability that’d make an F22 Raptor look like a WW1 bomber in the air is the kind of stuff military developers have wet dreams over. Add on that you can theoretically field them without any onboard munitions thanks to the repulsors pulling double-duty as propulsion and energy weapons, plus the fact that you can just remotely shut down anyone that tries to steal one, and it’s no surprise that the US practically begs Stark on their hands and knees to give them the damn things.

>>152572175
I mean, it worked both times we saw it used

>>152572243
I think that they're just extensively expensive.
And even when they're not, they're exceedingly difficult to build and repair unless you have a ton of technical knowhow.

>>152571645
Very low rate of success, extremely expensive, and goes into the issue of control like we've been trying to beat into the heads of powerleveltards in this thread. The SSS was made for military applications in mind because it's something that benefits military functions, a mentally unstable bulletproof fuckhead that can spit fire and shit lightning is not something the military wants to deal with because now they have to get something else to put those mentally unstable lightning-shitting assholes in their place in the event they get out of control.

An army of Captain Americas is worth far more to the military than a platoon of Extremis soldiers, or a small squad of gamma mutates, the former can be drilled into competency and a few of them breaking off can be dealt with assuming they haven't gone to ground, the last two can butcher a few small towns before you can get any level of control in place, with the gamma mutates having the potential to become a major international threat.

>>152572243
Wasn't there an event or storyline where Tony went around fucking up anyone in power armour because he thought he had a monopoly on that shit? And don't they have a bunch early mark Iron Man suit knock offs in a bunch of supermax prisons?

>>152572421
The enhancement process that gave USAgent and Luke Cage their powers are probably a good one for the military. Powerful, but not too powerful - although Luke might've had some power creep but iirc he's still kind of street level. No mental upgrades like the SSS, but if we're thinking of control the brass probably would want some dudes that are just juiced up physically but not intellectually.

Imagine a bunch of SSS'd up guys getting together to stage a coup. It wouldn't be a hundred of them storming the White House with M-16s in star spangled tighty whiteys - it'd be something conceived of by 100 of the best military minds on the planet.

>>152572421
I mean, Mallen was already unstable.
Tony’s mental state doesn’t seem to have been impacted

>>152570170
So has Wonder Woman
So has Kamala, minus the 86 years thing (but knowing D*sney it's a given)

>>152572421
You raise a fair point.
The fact that a relatively untrained man given that shit was able to manhandle Iron Man like a toy? Imagine a trained soldier being that strong

>>152572421
>Very low rate of success
Except the SSS suffers this as well.

>>152572559
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Weapon_Plus_(Earth-616)

they made it all big & stupid. cap, venom, luke cage & man-thing are now part of super soldier lore.

>>152570400
I thought the vita rays were just a catalyst. Steve would have still become a super soldier with the serum in his system but it might have taken months instead of minutes.

>>152572844
This.
All the Vita-Rays did was essentially fast-forward through the cellular bonding and bodily augmentation process that the SSS applies to its user, allowing you to literally flash-grow your superhumans.

>>152564712
Why is Cap such a freaking CRYBABY

>>152572721
The reproduction attempts had issues, they weren't Erskine's formula.

>>152564867
It actually isn't because that would mean they would have to publish the recipe to get the patent.

>>152572559
>Imagine a bunch of SSS'd up guys getting together to stage a coup. It wouldn't be a hundred of them storming the White House with M-16s in star spangled tighty whiteys - it'd be something conceived of by 100 of the best military minds on the planet.
Personality can still affect the outcome, if they're still yahoos that can't keep their inner thoughts to themselves, they can still potentially out themselves and get caught despite their abilities, but if they were all like Stevil in Secret Empire that knew when to covertly and overtly manipulate and eliminate, then that's a huge problem.

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>>152565327
I want an Avengers run with Clint as chairman so he can remind people that Hawkeye is a bad motherfucker.