Easter is coming /co/
Pagan celebration
>>152566669Where did the meme that every Christian holiday is just a stolwn pagan holiday? I notice no one does this shit with Jewish or Islamic holidays that are way worse about stealing traditions.
>>152566713Mostly Reddit atheists still believing the Zeisgiest propaganda memes.
>>152566562>Jesus's motherI once read Catholics don't consider her divine but they sure have a funny way of showing that.
>>152566713Idk, i don't even care or celebrate/have celebrated that thang, i just wanted to post HOE's Mary
>>152566713maybe the same reason all of europe ended up christian and not the other two
>>152566713Atheist propaganda
>>152566669>>152566876Please do not lewd the Mother of God.
>>152566876>>152566669watch out for railroad spikes
>>152566669>>152566876I remember him saying he regrets drawing this because he clinged to Christianity when he was in the hospital with an injury.
>>152566562So it's time to watch the Ten Commandments and the LOTR trilogy?
>>152566713because the romans literally did that with every culture they met. only the jews resisted and were spared, and given special dispensation to practice monotheism, but once the messianic sect popped up, Rome started feedin all of em to the lions, kicked all the jews out, messianic or not, then "became christian" and started adding in everything pagan. Saints to replace the multitude of gods, reassigned holiday dates for pagan festivals, etc. It's only the dates that are an issue, the actual holidays are obviously legit. easter is the fulfillment of passover, so it should be celebrated with passover.>>152566867yeahhhh they have... a lot of stuff like that.>>152567004She was cute as FUCK in Animaniacs. hard to find a good pic.>>152567305Ha, that's where we tend to gettem. It's okay, you're allowed to enjoy pictures of hot women. You are just not supposed to then follow those pictures to a brothel and pay for sex.
>>152566713Because Judaism might as well be a pagan faith, and Islam doesn't have enough cultural credibility on a primarily American board.
>>152568090>It's okay, you're allowed to enjoy pictures of hot womenSomething something Augustine 'Why did God make women so hot' something.
Ok cool, more Peeps for me
>>152566562Praying for the < 1% Christians in Palestine caught between Islam and Zionism
>>152568231Based
>>152568090>>152568152Pornography is absolutely sinful. see: Matthew 5:27-28I will concede though that masturbation in and of itself shouldn't be counted as a sin by the church.
>>152568289What if it's just cartoon drawings? It's not like you're lusting over a real woman yeah?
>>152568289you should see Matthew 6 and keep your faggotry to yourself
>>152566562>cult of Mary iconographyJesus should be there.>>152566867They practically do. It started off as a cult and the Church struggled to crackdown on it as optically it seemed pretty bad to censor people pointing out that if Mary is the mother of Christ who is one part of the Trinity she surely must have some status or link that puts her on par with Christ in terms hirearchy. A lot of the devotees were tried for heresy until a compromise was struck where any talk of Mary being higher or on equal footing with the Lord was forbidden along with worship of her but veneration was permited. But as she was the Mother of God a lot of these former cultist sects of course venerated her above all other saints until it became a cultural ritual amongst a lot of churchs to give prayer to Mary instead of Christ or the Holy Father and Holy Spirit because they believed that Christ, for some reason, might not answer you directly but if you prayed to Mary she wpuld mediate by convincing her son, Christ, to answer you. This carries the obvious implication that Mary holds some power or sovereignty over Christ and by extension God himself and that you are actually worshipping her as prayer is one aspect of worship, but some Catholics will die on a hill arguing the technical legality of worship v veneration all day. Not all Catholics have this doctrinal belief, but a large enough portion does to impact the culture and politics of the Church as a whole.
>>152568320I've heard people say it's still counted as a sin because even if you're not lusting over a specific woman in reality, you're still lusting over the female form in ways that God wouldn't approve of. But I do personally consider it a grey area.>>152568370>Wanting to help others stay in the good grace of God is faggotrylol, lmao even
>>152568406No there's no evidence Collyridians or some other Mary cult were widespread or even existed at all.
>>152567305Im all about forgiveness, but what on earth made him retarded enough to lewd the literal Mother Mary? Like, the average porn artist doesnt do that.
>>152568482The snake twink deserves to get his head stomped on the floor until it burst
>>152568930I do wonder if Michael will show up in Hazbin at some point considering he is, classically, Satan's nemesis.
>>152568482Regarding the matthew 5 verse, there needs to be some qualifiers. Common sense indicates woman means specifically someone else's wife. Otherwise, it could be extended to condemn marital procreation. The phrasing adultery of the heart instead of fornication also supports this. And lust has been alternatively translated as lustful intent.
>>152568805NTA but considering the debates over the nature of Jesus and the trinity (and the continued existence of Unitarianism and other nontrinitarian movements) I'd argue that early Christians deifying Mary isn't a massive stretch even if the extent is.
Post p*rn of Mary the Mother of God and you will get the hellonearthiii treatment
>>152568939Adam was the Michael, clearly. Like in mormonism.
>>152566713So, it's just partly true. But the problem is that they think it's some big gacha.Easter aligns more with Passover specifically, and that is explicit, but other holidays, and many aspects of Christianity and Catholicism particularly comes from interacting with other cultures and absorbing them into the Church's teaching.This is not even that cynical, instead it's been a historical practice of the Church to come to be people as they are, and use their understanding of the world to turn themselves to God. This further combines with the long held (since at least Augustine, but we see it before in less clear statements from Early Church Father's) belief that many aspects of God can be arrived at via Reason (not everything, but many things). And so, the pagan beliefs contain some kernel of truth that can once again be used to help bring those people into the flock.It's just a common thing for people with no real knowledge of Christianity to come in with lame gotchas like this.
>>152570282There is actually a big movement in certain Evangelical sects for explicit depaganization in this way, of removing all those elements (Christmas, even Easter in certain cases) that are viewed as Pagan and performing some radical return.
>>152568482>you're still lusting over the female form in ways that God wouldn't approve of.What if my lust is inherently tied to the desire to actually love and cherish said woman, real or otherwise?
>>152570165The point is the church would not have had a hard time to crackdown on or need to make compromises with such a tiny fringe sect.
>>152566867She was never divine, the whole co-redemtrix shit was heresy then and it's heresy now. It's mostly brown voodoo people who are "catholic" morphing her into their mother goddess shit i.e. Mexico. The pope recently released a statement to knock that shit off.
>>152570412Catholics are cucked goddess worshipping pagans.
>>152568930Man the actual prayer to St. Michael is so much more metal.>“St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil; may God rebuke him, we humbly pray; and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, thrust into hell satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world for the ruin of souls. Amen.”
>>152570421Don't you have some woman "pastor" wearing a tranny flag to preach at you in some "church" that used to be a movie theatre to go to?
>>152570433Dont you have some altar boys to molest?
Haha. Did he. Every heresy returns over and over again.
>>152570282Syncretism is a staple of any dominant religion. If all you have to do is change a couple character names in your fanfiction for the locals you're conquering to not outright revolt against you? Zero harm in adding a few extra holidays for the book club. Yeah, the horseshoe swung right around to these dipshits >>152570343 who think it's pagan infiltration rather than church homogenization. But the fact is that those lesser cults won't ever get any traction because they'll never agree on what counts as 'too pagan', what the cutoffs are, if, like another anon mentioned, Hebrew syncretism with other regional gods counts as pagan, etc. It's a clusterfuck that'll have too many people saying 'shut the fuck up and enjoy the office Christmas party'. Plus, the year-end holidays are cornerstones of the modern economy, and the syncretics have almost all exclusively come from white cultures. These 'anti-pagans' are obnoxious, attention whoring faggots on the same tier as the Westboro Baptists.
>>152566669>that hint of pube YESSSSSSSSSSS needs to be untamed tho
>>152566713>Where did the meme that every Christian holiday is just a stolwn pagan holiday? I notice no one does this shit with Jewish or Islamic holidays that are way worse about stealing traditions.1. It comes from history. Most holidays are stolen. Im sure the ones we stole, stole them from religions we dont even know the names of. A lot of them center around earth's position around the sun and the seasons and which days are shortest or longest. Not exactly obscure info. Its right there in the sky2. No one gives a shit about Jewish or Muslim holidays. They suck. Some Jewish and arab women are hot. Thats all they have. Not holidays. All the best holidays are pagan and white.
>>152570374The rebuttal they'd give is that you should put a lid on those feelings until after you're married.
>>152568406>they believed that Christ, for some reason, might not answer you directly but if you prayed to Mary she wpuld mediate by convincing her son, Christ, to answer you.There is something really funny about the idea that mary woukd go nag her god son for you.
>>152570343>There is actually a big movement in certain Evangelical sects for explicit depaganization in this way, of removing all those elements (Christmas, even Easter in certain cases) that are viewed as Pagan and performing some radical return.Yes, lets squeeze all the joy from life. Just go to church and talk about sin and faith and go over how to be saved 1000000 times. Lets go as far as forcing women to wear dresses and remove the piano from church too. Squeeze out every little bit of happiness one might get from going to church
>>152570412>She was never divine, the whole co-redemtrix shit was heresy then and it's heresy now. It's mostly brown voodoo people who are "catholic" morphing her into their mother goddess shit i.e. Mexico. The pope recently released a statement to knock that shit off.Anon, who else am I going to make a shrine for in my closet?
>>152566669>>152566876>>152567305He regrets drawing it and right after he posted it, like less than 24 hours later, he dropped a dumbbell or a piece of railroad track on his foot and broke some bones. Then a year(?) Later he gets diagnosed with a brain tumor that had him at 30(?)% survival chance. He beats that and then i think he was recently diagnosed with another brain tumor.
>>152571488>1488>picnice
>>152571479Christ. Or y'know, just go to church.
>>152571399>There is something really funny about the idea that mary woukd go nag her god son for you.She does it in the Bible.
>>152571553>Christ. Or y'know, just go to churchGets kind of borring, anon
>>152571458>Serenity was right again
>>152569056Lust is not just sexual desire, but an improper sexual desire. Just like wrath is improper anger, greed is an improper desire for material wealth, gluttony is an improper desire for food/drink, etc.
>>152568939I feel like if Michael was to show up they'd go the classic modern interpretation of him being Lucifer's brother.So there would be like, a 50/50 chance of him just being tall and blue themed Lucifer in appearance.
>>152570343Why do Evangelicals want to become Muslim extremists so bad? Its crazy to me how much the stuff they want is like almost word for the shit you'd hear from detainees or mullahs from when I deployed to fucking Iraq.
>>152571553>>152571573You don't have to go to a church or make a shrine, you can pray and and have faith and live a good life of accepting and loving. Its good to have a community, incredibly so, but don't let that be what keeps you from being a believer. Live good and fair and compassionate and try your hardest to do so.
>>152571806>t. Protestant damned to hell
>>152570343That's been a protestant thing in general, Christmas as a holiday was starting to die out in Anglo protestant countries back in the early modern period until works like A Christmas Carol saved it. Prior to its release, many Protestant churches preached against the drunken debauchery associated with the holiday, and it was even illegal to celebrate Christmas in some parts of the US. It's really not all that much of an exaggeration to say that works like Dickens's little book basically saved Christmas, at least in the Anglosphere.
>>152566669I came here to get mad at you and tell you to kill yourself
>>152571780So, we don't think of it this way, but it's sometimes useful to think about the fact that "radical" has it's root in "radix" meaning, root. They all have the same tendency to want to return to a Year Zero, a bleached space free of all else to rebuild.I am Catholic and don't know enough about Evangelicalism to comment on them as a whole, but the more radical ones are pursuing this idea. To remove all influence of the modern era and return to the roots. Consequences be damned.That said, Radical Evangelicals are way less terrifying than, like, Boko Haram or something. Let's not lose our minds on that.>>152572537Yeah, I was talking about this with a friend around Christmas who is entirely unreligious. It was interesting to walk through that with him our much our modern conception of Christmas is influenced by A Christmas Carol, honestly, a lot of the influence has been good.
>catholics are being goddess worshiping heathens againSurprise, surprise.
>>152572570>Radical Evangelicals are way less terrifying than, like, Boko Haram or something. Let's not lose our minds on that.No, I don't fucking buy that. I've seen the fucking barbarity man is capable of inflicting. That shit needs to be nipped in the fucking bud. College educated pre med school young men died because they believed they were pious, righteous men so I can guarantee you that education level didn't really fucking matter either. I'm sure if you tell a western man that he's fighting on the right side of morality enough, he'd would be more than happy to start burning "heretics" at the stake. Honestly, I don't think people understand how bad things can get when people are at that point. It's a cancer, as soon as you think you're good enough and you won the fight against blasphemy, some other group interprets some passage just a bit differently, and now you're against the wall about to get fucking ventilated by a PKM, or your executed family gets dumped in a river because your neighbor saw you doing something that was perfectly OK last week but now is bad and you didn't get the memo. Religious fanatisism a darkness and suffering that spreads until it's consumed and killed everything you loved, completely opposite of the message of unity and care that people should be following.Sorry for blogposting but I don't want my people to ever have to experience what happened in Iraq.
>>152566713Easter is pagan and true Christians don't celebrate ithttps://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/why-not-celebrate-easter/
>>152566669Callate el hocico Billy. Tu mamá te hizo comer pescado hoy.
>>152571488I have faith in him. He beat cancer before and he'll do it again.
>>152572719So, I think you're being genuine so I'll respond earnestly> No, I don't fucking buy that. I've seen the fucking barbarity man is capable of inflicting. That shit needs to be nipped in the fucking bud.I agree. It can turn horrible and it should be nipped in the bud. Luckily, I think in America it's largely benign, but acting against it is a good idea. That said, saying it should be nipped in the bud at least admits that it's minor compared to Boko Haram. Or, in the case of what you seem to be referring to, ISIS. Two groups with ties to one another> College educated pre med school young men died because they believed they were pious, righteous men so I can guarantee you that education level didn't really fucking matter either. I'm sure if you tell a western man that he's fighting on the right side of morality enough, he'd would be more than happy to start burning "heretics" at the stake. I, once again, agree. To get very political, I think we've seen versions of this happening in modern America though I think in our culture it takes place on a Marxist/Progressive dimension rather than religious, but I'm open to the idea that there is a commonality in the two and their rejection of... let's say culture. There is a commonality in this tear it all down aspect of them. Like I mentioned, the core meaning of Radical is a return to some root.> Honestly, I don't think people understand how bad things can get when people are at that point. It's a cancer, as soon as you think you're good enough and you won the fight against blasphemy, some other group interprets some passage just a bit differently, and now you're against the wall about to get fucking ventilated by a PKM, or your executed family gets dumped in a river because your neighbor saw you doing something that was perfectly OK last week but now is bad and you didn't get the memo. I'm out of characters. So, if you've never read Burke's "Reflections on the French Revolution" I recommend it.2000 exactly.
>>152572381Only God makes the final judgement.
>>152571780>Why do Evangelicals want to become Muslim extremists so bad? Its crazy to me how much the stuff they want is like almost word for the shit you'd hear from detainees or mullahs from when I deployed to fucking Iraq.Its really weird but Evangelicals want the worst of both Russia and the middle east. They want a leader like Putin and to express their faith like a Muslim terrorist. They think it is everyone else who wants to ruin America but it is really them. They want to turn it into something it never was.
>>152571806>Its good to have a community, incredibly so, but don't let that be what keeps you from being a believer. Live good and fair and compassionate and try your hardest to do soWhat community? A lot of churches you just go to and sit and repeat the same things over and over again. You make some small talk then go eat lunch. Then they stop talking to you if you stop going
>>152573590I mean I've been seeing online tradcath's with similar sentiments let's not ahead of ourselves here.
>>152572537>It's really not all that much of an exaggeration to say that works like Dickens's little book basically saved Christmas, at least in the Anglosphere.Ah, the good old days when average people read books and would actually change their mind.Can you imagine people even watching tv and changing their mind, let alone a book?
>>152566713that's how the Roman church operated to take power away from a holiday that existed near or on the same day
>>152572570>That said, Radical Evangelicals are way less terrifying than, like, Boko Haram or something. Let's not lose our minds on that.Radical evangelicals want to beat lbgt people to death. Give them shock treatment. Beat them until they repent. Fire all women from the work force. Take away their rights and make them essentially children to their husband. Take away freedom of speech. Remove all tv shows that might even suggest sin. Make US law match the bible and hand out heavy penalties. Some would even have the hands of theives chopped off. The worst ones want child brides, a return of nonwhite slavery and lynching.Essentially they want the entire US to tranaform into pre civil war south US. They'd probably also remove public school and revert to a system where wealthy men ran and owned everything and poor whites just ate shit and were happy they weren't women or slaves
>>152572570>A Christmas Carol, honestly, a lot of the influence has been good.Its a great book despite any of Dicken's moral failings. Its got spirits and time travel. And taking stock of yourself each year is a pretty good idea
>>152573641Isn't a lot of that stuff what goes on in Russia at the moment? I'm pretty sure they legalised wife-beating because it's traditional.
>>152573022>To get very political, I think we've seen versions of this happening in modern America though I think in our culture it takes place on a Marxist/Progressive dimension rather than religious, but I'm open to the idea that there is a commonality in the two and their rejection of... let's say culture. There is a commonality in this tear it all down aspect of them. Like I mentioned, the core meaning of Radical is a return to some root.You're bat shit crazy if you think there are more leftist that want to knock the established order down and kill non-believers than people on the right. We could be here all day discussing all the times conservatives have lashed out and killed progressives. Stop listening to conservative e personalities and actually look at data or a timeline
>>152570412The statement said the title could be could be confusing, not that it was heresy. They later clarified co-redemptrix is still allowed in private devotion.
>>152573654>Isn't a lot of that stuff what goes on in Russia at the moment? I'm pretty sure they legalised wife-beating because it's traditionalIm not sure where exactly russia is on the timeline but yes, they have used the orthodox church as an excuse to oppress their people more after the fall of the soviet union. I think they even went as far as inviting the remaining relatives of the czar to come back and reclaim a symbolic title and palace of some sort.I feel like there is a stress point between stupid people and progress. Progress is just so burdsome with rules and laws. And being an adult is so burdensome. And the system will often get lazy and not instruct people on what they should to do to do x y z and people get victimized by it. Like that whole ordeal thar caused Kill dozen, that was all started by the town ruining a local business over a sewage line. This is all too much for stupid people so they fantasize about a hypothetical land of milk and honey where all the complicated stuff is gone and life is simple and good. So over and over again you get people who want the bundle of christmas lights that is our systems in the trash and start over. The problem is that it never works. The complicated system was invented to solve problems, which return when it is removed. And you can never cut away enough to go back to a pure zero. The problem is us. Suffering is part of life. You can never remove enough system or people that things become good
>>152566669Didn't this guy get cancer after this image came out, or have I been lied to?
>>152566669Mary would have a full unkempt bush.
>>152573780So, Chesterton's Fence analogy? I agree though, far too many people these days have a zero-sum thinking mentality where in order to win other people need to lose and similarly very simple solutions will solve complex problems.
>>152573681>You're bat shit crazy if you think there are more leftist that want to knock the established order down and kill non-believers than people on the right.But not wrong that's the problem.Look at what happened during the mostly peaceful summer of love or Chaz where a section of the city was a no go zone, when has the right done anything like that
>>152572748Jehova's Witnesses don't even believe in Christ.
>>152566562Time for lolis in their lewdest dresses
>>152573826>Look at what happened during the mostly peaceful summer of love or Chaz where a section of the city was a no go zone, when has the right done anything like thatYou cant be serious
>>152574221I am 200% serious and 30% cooler.This is my legitmate opinion
>>152573681Leftists are the most bloodthirsty in history. Don't try to cope that Stalin or Mao were not leftist.
>>152574278You probably think everything done by the catholic church or slavers or the Dutch East India Company was "progressive or leftists Hell, you probably think it was progressive ideals that made pharisees challenge christ or the romans put him on a cross.
>>152574336He never said any of that.You are literally making up scenarios to get mad at
>>152574336I don't think that.
>>152574359>He never said any of thatYou stupid fucke dont even know what it means when rightist or conservative movements kill. You probably think nazi's were socialist
>>152575101You probably can't think.
>>152573596Have you ever seen a bulletin board at churches with various community events listed? Or asked a pastor about community service opportunities?
>>152566713If anyone wants reference for Judaism it's the book of Esther being entirely manufactured so the Hebrews could have a largely Persian holiday.It's the one book in the entire Hebrew Bible where the historicity has been found to be absolute zero
>>152571488>he dropped a dumbbell or a piece of railroad track on his foot and broke some bones.He's clumsy >Later he gets diagnosed with a brain tumor that had him at 30(?)% survival chance. He beats that and then i think he was recently diagnosed with another brain tumor.Bad genes
>>152571780What's weird that earlier denominations of Christians would consider them heretics.
>>152572748Isn't Easter suppose to be aligned with Passover?
>>152573846Keep telling yourself that heathen
>>152575359No, that's the Lord's evening meal
This thread sure took a turn..
>>152575565As expected given the OP
>>152566562it's her time
>>152575101I am a nazi and I am a socialist
Lets go back to what the discussion should actually be about:What kind of role do you think Mary and Jesus will/would play in hazbin hotel, and how high do you think the chances are that vivzie will butcher them
>>152571627What's considered improper desire then? porneia doesn't mean any act in particular and the bible only names a few explicit things like adultery or prostitution.
>>152571488he made like seven or eight separate drawings though.
>>152577308https://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P85.HTMhttps://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P86.HTMhttps://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P87.HTMOther denominations with a philosophical tradition will have something similar.
>>152566713Honestly, there are certain stances, whether intellectual or of another kind, that look down with intensity on the practice of religion and faith. Many disbelieve that there were integration consius from certain cultures that had gradually accepted Christianity.And this irruption that casts a shadow over this stance has various origins, intentions and manifestations.
>>152575621>>152575565Are you implying that this was done on purpose to funnel the desorbitally disproportionate delusions (whether out of ignorance, intentional disdain, or even a stance with observansable fundamentations) comments in this thread's topic? To be frank, it's absurd and pathetic, since they don't even remotely dare to judge other monotheistic beliefs with the same standard, start with.Second, there is absolutely nothing about /co/ for a change, this is already becoming a space from another board, trying to actually see what the purpose and intention of creating the thread was.
>>152567305So what's the point of keeping them on the thread? >>152566669 >>152566876
>>152568090Post more /co/ Marys
>>152577918I dont think he posted them.
>>152572826What does this even mean?
>>152577984I thought u spoke spanish, william?
>>152579223I do, but, what does the fish thing mean? Also, when is Easter?
>>152567004Some dirty Jew rat is not god
>>152580140That's not very nice, Anon.
>>152580153Yes, it is not a very nice to a call a rat god but some people do it
>>152580222You can't explain away the Resurrection, though.
Also, i had pizza today, pepperoni
>>152566562>>152566669yes
>>152575430waiter! more failed watchtower predictions please
>>152570276>vivzie steals from Mormons (arians) but not the Manichaeans, Mandaeans or other gnostics lame
>>152570343The irony is that by removing every pagan element they will have to remove the trinity as well along with burning half a dozen early church theological work. Christianity is built on the philosophy that some truths can be gleamed from intially pagan sources.
>>152580140>>152580222I think if we can give you the diginity of being considered human you can at least have the dignity to comprehend the lineage of Jews today vs then.
>>152581481cool
>>152566713>Why does no one criticize the two religions that have little to no historical ties to the west?What do you think anon
>>152571399It brings to mind a particular culture.
