Remember that time Pepper Ann was larping as a Native American?
>>152569454She was a Native American
>>152569461like 1/16th
>>152569461You mean a Native Annmerican.
>>152569454>>152569507So she's basically Elizabeth Warren?
>>152569454That was so hilarious. I love how the very concept is like, DECADES-out-of-date, like where did she even get that idea? Fuckin "I Love Lucy" was already making fun of people for thinking indians still woo-woo etc.Meanwhile the core lesson of "your ethnicity shouldn't define your culture" is one you'd NEVER get now. Loved Milo's input on that.>just because I'm Hawaiian, you don't see me walking around in a grass skirt doing the hula... >at least... not often ..
>>152569454You mean Poca-moronis?
always reminded me of this. Though i think this was later. Feels pretty late-season KotH.Man, what would a P-Ann / King of the Hill crossover be like? I mean aside from the obvious Moose-playing-with-Bobby gag.
>>152569454One thing I liked about Pepper Ann was that she had both flaws and redeeming qualities.
>>152570133She's a kid in the 90s anon, did you not think indians went woo woo when you were a kid?
>>152570226no! Again, that shit was already laughably outdated -decades- back.In fact I recall a Sesame Street bit from, like, the 60s.
HEEYA HOOYA HEEYA HOOYA HEEYA HOOYA HEEYA HOOYA!!!!
>>152569454I know people always say "this could never air today" but I honestly kind of believe that with some Pepper Ann episodes
>>152570516it didnt air back then, at least in reruns. the only existing rip is from germany or someplace
>>152570538QRD?
>>152570554that was my best recollection. you could look it up yourself faster than I could
>>152569454America was promised to her people thousands of years ago.
>>152570663well then they should have done more with it
>>152570538That episode definitely aired on Toon Disney since that was where I saw it for the first time. These days you can just watch it on Disney+.
>>152570822hmokay well i read that not
>>152570516>Pepper Ann, Pepper Ann, pads her chest with wads of gauze,>Pepper Ann, she's as flat as a skateboard!>Pepper Ann, Pepper Ann, much too flat for training bras>No one's smaller than Pepper Ann>Find 'em if you can, Pepper Ann>She's as flat as a pan, Pepper Ann...
>>152571594Don’t worry, her mom stacked, Ann just needs to wait a few years
>>152571607What if P-Ann got her boob genes from her dad's side? I don't think we ever saw her paternal grandmother, but... I can tell you people tend to go for stuff that their gene pool doesn't have already, so.. chances are pretty good if her dad liked him some big jewish tiddy, his mom was small in that region.
>>152570363Didn't stop my preschool class from making us create and wear paper feather headpieces and go woo woo for Thanksgiving. And that was back in like 2007.
>>152571692yeah but that's for thanksgivingeveryone was aware of how native culture was in the 17th century, and how it -isn't that anymore-any more than white people are still sailing in dragon-headed longboats to go pillage.
pepper ann feet
>>152569507That's good enough for some tribes
>>152569454Why does she keep dreaming about fighting them though?
>>152571918Tribe wars were a thing
Isn't it interesting how there was a lot of Indigenous representation in the '90s, but it suddenly stopped after the turn of the century, and Native people in media became rare again?
>>152571996well now it's all about immigrants and blacks, can't remember the last time I saw some media talking about natives
>>152571996there's a lot less wheelchair-kid representation toothese people are always chasing the new fad, they don't actually care about anything.
Peppy in a robe
>>152570161The hilarity here is that Joh Redcorn has to keep his infidelity secret so he has to reluctantly agree with his delusion.
>>152571996It's a pity. They if anything are the true marginalized people by any metric.
>>152570127Warren is zero percent native
>>152571996It's too bad since Indians are pretty cool. Better Indians from India anyways
>>152570161He earned it because Redcorn fucked his wife. Its equivalent exchange. https://youtube.com/watch?v=12pnL8PIY9I&pp=ygUnZXF1aXZhbGVudCBleGNoYW5nZSBmdWxsbWV0YWwgYWxjaGVtaXN0
>>152570133I think you're forgetting all the hoo-ha over Disney's Pocahontas which even the episode alludes to (Pepper makes a colours of the wind reference), back when Disney shows could make fun of Disney.
>>152571778the vast majority of Americans will meet maybe a dozen injuns over the course of their lives. literally all their knowledge of the red man comes from TV, jokes, and Thanksgiving folklore. Maybe if you're from Arizona or something you'd have a good conception of what a modern injun is like but for someone from like Pennsylvania or Georgia? fat fucking chance. It's all feathers and tipis.
>>152571996in the 70s there was a boom in popularity for their culture because of the rise of the Environmentalist movement, New Age-ism, and heightened racial awareness. They were believed to be more 'in tune' with nature so there was a fad for trying to 'go native' culturally. and the 90s was the era of 70s nostalgia, so you saw a return of all the indian worship.
All the pepper ann love in recent years is odd to me. The show was fine I guess but it was pretty standard saturday morning slice of life desu. And she's not an especially amazing waifu design, she reminds me of Fido Dido from the 7 up commercials. Not that she's bad, just okay.
>>152570731They did
>>152573818reminder the evidence for these mega communities are like three buildings that anthropologists proceeded to extrapolate from in the same way paleontologists will find like half a toe bone and concoct and entire bodyplan and evolutionary lineage for a dinosaur species. it's all made-up nonsense.
>>152573818What is this, a city for ants?
>>152573862So you think that you who have no training in the field can basically dismiss it all as nonsense because you don't trust the experts?Have you heard of the Aztec and the inca?
>>152574545>appeal to authorityI expected nothing less
>>152574551So I bet you believe politicians and religious preachers more than scientists about the field of expertise told you especially when it says tell people not to be gay not to do gay marriage and to just act our definition of normal because you make us feel weird is healthier than accepting who you are and how you actually feel?
>>152574578>strawmanninglol. gonna make it three for three by going to personal attacks in your next response? or will it be appeals to popularity.
>>152574551Have you heard of the Aztec and the inca?
>>152574659the stone-age primitives who lived in stick houses and got utterly decimated by two ships' worth of Spaniards? yeah
>>152574688 Stone Age is an amount of time not an evolutionary level you can't say people are in the Stone Age when they meet Europeans because that's a scientific time not a level of Technology also you forgot European diseases as in more than die from a pregnant than the Europeans Imagine every neighbor they've had which was actually quite a number of them went straight at them at the weakest moment because they were quite hated by all of their neighbors for their own activities such as sacrificing people.To mention people stereotype bit and exaggerate how much the Europeans accomplish were able to fool them like them thinking horses with some sort of manitor instead of they could tell that there was just somebody on an animal.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kUA1EyUNsQ
>>152574819Except that those were humongous military operations with the backing of religious groups and them using different people's in the South against each other all the time.Not to mention organized groups with their own religions really stations and a lot of infrastructures are not people you suggest be writing off as Savages and just cuz you don't want to watch the video doesn't mean it doesn't have valuable things to teach you look up Incas on Kings and Generals.
>>152574836a 'huge military operation' in 1710 amounted to about 1500 people.
>>152574856>a 'huge military operation' in 1710 amounted to about 1500 people.NTA but that's nonsense and you know it.
>>152574856>a 'huge military operation' in 1710 amounted to about 1500 people.Citation needed
>>152574866when it comes to expeditionary colonial conflicts, it really isn't. it's incredibly difficult to move a large group of men across the ocean in the era of sail. there's a reason why most of the Redcoats in the American Revolution were locally-born loyalists.
>>152574720I think you are not expressing yourself coherently.
I love P-Ann's voice actress, she's so comfy to listen to, she was great as Cathy too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN2e208UnEA
Tony Soprano is so lucky.
>>152575610Is he?
>>152574918>she voiced CathySo, should it be Pepper ACK?
>>152573774The 90s were more like an era of 20th Century nostalgia in general, it was kind of sick. There was a jazz revival that happened then and even saw some jazz/swing songs chart on the radio, 50s and 60s aesthetics were common along with 70s and 80s, you could turn on the TV and regularly catch WWII-era movies or even earlier, it felt almost like one kind of giant celebration to wrap up the 20th Century with.
The Indians I know like to fleece YT from their hard-earned money.
>>152576047Good youtube's is AI is destroy the site and channels.
>>152569461Wasn't Pepper Ann cannonically a kike?
>Pepper Ann Pepper Ann>raping kids in Pakistan
Requesting Pepper Ann riding a sturdy goat.
>>152573240ssssort of.looked at through context, they have it better than literally any conquered people in history. Yeah treaties were broken, but you don't usually GET treaties. you get killed. and to this day they're allowed a shocking amount of autonomy, even more than the amish. Honestly as president i would rescind all of that immediately. You lost, you're americans now. Cut the shit.>>152573438again, anon, that's HISTORYthe point is everyone knows yeah in history, native americans were woo-woo and spaniards were all yo-ho-ho steel your gold senor, and africans were all chucking spears, and frenchmen were all 9 feet tall and killing israelites, but in the MODERN day, people are just regular. That's the thing that was already extremely entrenched by this point.
>>152573758You're amazingly lucky if you don't have massive tent camps of them around where you live, stealing everything in sight.>>152573775The extremely even-handed lessons of the show are more important now than ever.>>152573818yeah no.>>152574545I dont trust anyone who profits from his findings>aztec and incanow THEY had a real civilization. and hey they're still alive today.
>>152574466>someone saved the sketchum, thank you?>>152574578Maybe look into some actual research on what gay does to you. Or ask yourself simple math: are people happier now that you've forced all these changes on society, or sadder?
>>152577856>Honestly as president i would rescind all of that immediately. You lost, you're americans now. Cut the shit.There's no benefit to doing that, they're not productive members of society. The reservations are basically just containment zones for a bunch of alcoholics and fent zombies.
>>152575882Hehehehe.
>>152577885I never forced any changes on society and people not being put in jail for just being gay is a whole lot happier for those people who can openly be gay without it being criminalized.Where are the mods when the political board is raid in here?>>152577894No and it seems like some people here has no idea what those Indians could would have done to the average person for multiple generation No Matter What ethnicity you were.
>>152577856People still talk about tribal wisdom and natural remedies and all that, Pepper Ann was just doing the thing a lot of white women do and trying to 'connect' to nature through being a native.
>>152577894sure aint containing it very well here.>>152577950I mean jail is just retarded. you're literally locking them up with a bunch of other men.>>152578009Maybe that's what the writer intended, because yeah that is definitely still a thing, and was at the time the episode was made. Like that excellent South Park episode "Cherokee Hair Tampons"But the way the episode came out, it was 100% "1950s girl's idea of what injuns are"Like seriously, even by the 70s they'd moved on to jokes about like, someone going to a chinese restaurant and expecting the kids helping out to speak broken english, and realizing oh, they're just Americans now. So this shit wasn't just out of date, it was a couple steps back from there.
>>152573862>>152574545>>152577870Mesoamerican history anon here, while it's not my area since it's outside of Mesoamerica and I can't talk about it too in depth (though my friends can, if you're curious/skeptical, ask questions and I can get them to answer) there's plenty of hard evidence for Mississippian towns and settlements.Cahokia in particular, which that image is depicting, is particularly well studied and many of it's monuments are pretty visually obvious, so i'm not sure why you think there isn't evidence for it.For example, here is a LIDAR scan of central Cahokia>I dont trust anyone who profits from his findingsSo why do you trust Mesoamerican archeologists any more then North American ones?
>>152578095because it's a lot harder to hide a fucking ziggurat and a bunch of cool creepy stone heads. Apparently they actually built shit that lasted in that region, and sure as fuck didn't elsewhere. Unless it's a big coverup or something, in which case we BOTH believe the official facts aren't right. which I am willing to handshake on
>>152569454The intro literally has her dreaming about committing genocide against a tribe of Native Americans.
>>152578095Why would a culture without writing have a museum? What, was there just a guy who sat there and told stories about each exhibit, as people came by? What about their past would even be different enough from their present to be interesting for study? Even Euro past-present separation took til the Victorian age to be relevant enough for nostalgia to exist.
>>152570161>Man, what would a P-Ann / King of the Hill crossover be like?Disney owns both now, so it could happen if they're willing to do a special set during the original series run.
>>152571692>preschool>2007Holy shit I feel old
>>152575882CARLOS!!!
>>152578095Thumbnail looks like a '90's RTS.
>>152576016>50s and 60s aesthetics were commonThis sounds like you're talking about 00s media.
>>152578117I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, either from me being tired or you just wording it poorly. Isn't the issue that you're skeptical that North America had large sedentary settlements, and you think archeologists are making that up? So why are you talking about them hiding stuff instead?The monuments in North American centers DID last, what do you think the big earthen pyramids you can see in the LIDAR scan of >>152578095 are? You can easily see some them in photos as well from the site, pic related shows the remains of the largest structure. If you have 45 minutes to kill, watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iciOvaIm51M which goes in depth on the excavations of the site and includes some diagrams and photos. The pinned comment is also from one of my friends who specializes on this subject.>>152578135The "museum" label there is indicating the location of the modern day site museum, not a museum the Precolumbian population had. That being said, Precolumbian museums and archeological practices did exist, at least in Mesoamerica: The Aztec preformed excavations at Teotihuacan and other older ruins and brought back artifacts to Tenochtitlan which they would make replicas of and ritually deposit in their own temples and burial caches (this practice actually led to a whole sort of Teotihuacano revival style art movement in Tenochtitlan). There was a particular building or a set of buildings, allegedly also where snakes in the royal zoo were housed, that acted as as a royal collection of foreign art and idols taken from conquered regions and potentially older artifacts as well. If you're curious about the whole "Aztecs excavating at Teotihuacan/taking artistic influence from its ruins" things, see here:mesoweb.com/pari/publications/journal/1903/Teotihuacan_in_Mexico-Tenochtitlan.pdf mesoweb.com/es/articulos/sub/Mexica_Legacy.pdfresearchgate.net/publication/285512893_Antiques_revivals_and_references_to_the_past_in_Aztec_art,
>>152578135You might want to look up Boudicca vs The Romans not having a written language at the time as we understand somebody doesn't mean you can't be nostalgic about something Also there wasn't no equivalent of a written language in the Americans they just didn't use written characters.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmPyz1kCbOw
>>152569454Ay tone
>>152578182I'm saying if they exist, they're sure hidden now, because aint nobody's ever seen em. whereas everyone has seen what the aztec-olmec-incas made.>pic relatedthat's just a hill. also looks really fake.>modern day museumwell that's not a great image to share to prove your point then, is it.>the rest of what you saidin what universe is that a museum? every primitive culture does that. If anything, you have to move significantly beyond that before you move on to the museum concept, because you stop caring as much about the shit.>>152578461Okay now you're literally grasping at strings. Just live with it, dude. primitiveness is nothing to be so ashamed of that you have to deny it. it's just the way everyone was, until they got civilized by outsiders.
>>152578508You can type it into Google This Is How They communicated by using knots inside of ropes as a substitute for a written language you can type it into Google you can look it up online I'm Not grasping at straw that this is what historians can tell youI despite the fact they study a subject where you did look up online us some bigoted websites.
>>152578551Oh well, shit, if it's on Google, then OBVIOUSlyHere's now knowledge works: you just know it. Your dad told you and he saw it. Everything else is folly.Here's we know musea work: first you bury stuff out of reverence, then you stop revering that stuff, then you forget it existed, then you dig it up and want to study it with scientific detachment. that's the pattern.Then you run out of funding so you start making shit up
>>152571996You can't show them as noble savages anymore, and you can't show them as depressed drunks, so the only real option is to hire a sensitivity consultant and a member of an actual tribe and be ready to defend yourself on Bluesky when someone inevitably gets mad about something your hired experts decided to do. That shit costs money and it's not worth the effort.
>>152578812doesnt that apply to every group now though
>>152578812i mean... you could just show them as normal people... you can show black, asian, brown, and white people as normal ordinary people i don't see what makes natives any different besides the fact that native actors are underrepresented and typecasted for the same like 3 roles. old wise man, gangster, or fuckup. the truth is there's just not that many natives so it's not a big market. even though there's more asians than anything else on the planet they're pretty underrepresented in hollywood because by large hollywood wants to showcase whites, blacks, and hispanics.
>>152571692I fucking joined 4chan in 2007 when I was 18 sweet jesus no wonder this site sucks dog shit now
>>152572100I remember there was a half black half indian girl in Riverdale. Her dad was a famous native American canadian actor who used to be in everything her. But that was 2017 or something jesus
>>152573255They aren't. They are actually just as bad as indians ans blacks.
>>152572100Wasn't there a predator movie about native american girl fighting one?
>>152579084They're so much worse here in canada because our law let's them pretty much rape their own kids legally with less jail time. Usually none! And there's a lot of corruption in general where they just have a shitty leader. Drugs alcohik rape and huffing gas in a constantly snowy remote area. It's really sad Shining tier bullshit.
>>152579078that sounds like she was based on Cree Summer but flippedgod damn, Cree and Slash and Olivia Olsen are solid proof mixing the races works.
Really this show was always a mixture of 'finger absolutely on the pulse of the modern day' and 'super clueless oldpeople writers' particularly when shit like videogames come up.
>>152569454based
>>152580052I mean it does look good on herfuck those types sayin people can't wear costumes their ancestors didn't. those people are nards and need to be punched in the face.
>>152578508Just noticed this was probably meant as a reply for my post here >>152578455, so:>that's just a hill.It's not a hill. I mean, I guess you could define it as a man made hill, but it's more accurately an earthen pyramid: It's the biggest pyramid you see in >>152573818 in the middle of the walled area. It looks lumpy today because of erosion but at the time it would have been more properly geometric and angular, and the pyramids are also made with different types of soils in different layers for structural support reasons. The outside was also colored red (I forget if it was painted or it was red clay), it wasn't just grassy. >It looks really fakeYou can read accounts from early American explorers and politicians (Some of the Founding Fathers even mention them) talking about the earthen pyramids and mounds all across the Eastern US, going back all the way to the 1700s. Hell, earlier then that if you read accounts from Spanish explorers, some of which actually encountered towns like this when they were still inhabited: Hernando de Soto got caught up in some wars between rival Mississippian chiefdoms in the 1500sActually, on that note, the Natchez actually continued to live in towns like this all the way into the 1700s too, and those are well documented by contemporary Europeans/American settlers. Of course, many of those early accounts from the 1700s, 1800s etc of the mounds have the authors claiming they were built by Vikings and shit because they didn't believe that Native Americans could have built them.>in what universe is that a museumI assume this is re: what I said about the Aztec: It was a royal collection of foreign and ancient art that was presumably viewed by kings and other elite officials as a recreational activity, since it was a part of same collections that royal zoo was in. What would you call it if not a museum? I'm not even sure what makes it not a museum to you. The fact it wasn't open to the public?ran out of space
>>152580788Cont:>>152578508>>152578461>>152578551>>152578567The Americas did have true written languages: The Maya script is a true, full written language even in the strictest possible definition of what writing is: Every sound, word, etc in the spoken language can be phonetically recorded in the written system. It's not just logograms/hieroglyphs, the Maya script also has characters representing every spoken syllable, see picOther Mesoamerican scripts don't meet the strictest definition of "true writing", but meet less strict definitions of writing.Andean quipu, the knot-chord devices, are pretty out there and don't match most definitions of writing since it's clearly a different sort of system, but it seems they could be used to record qualitative information rather then just quantitative info, this is a good article on the topic: https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23931972-600-we-thought-the-incas-couldnt-write-these-knots-change-everything/A little known fact is the Mesoamericans also had knot-rope devices like this, though I only know of two references to them existing and both aren't in depth.
>>152580883didn't the guy who decode this do so because of his cat or something
>>152580788actually that sounds like the opposite of a museum. that's more of a private collection or a menagerieOkay it's more like an art museum, I guess if you think art and history musea are the same thing just because they share the name, then yeah.>>152580883So now you're not just lying, but you're contradicting yourself previously, got it.
Pepper Ann, Pepper Ann,Takes a dump in a coffee can.
>>152582462this feels like a legit thing kids would say to tease her.
>>152582462>>152582884that's kinda hotwish someone made that
>>152571996All their roles in film and media just got replaced by Polynesian actors and characters
>>152582985anon it's not hot to think of peppy being mocked, that could happen to you too
What the fuck happened to this thread
>>152583315nah i mean pooping in a can
The coolest Indian in all of comics is mother-fucking Turok, the Dinosaur Hunter.
>>152583127you know that's still native american, right.siberian too.
>>152583578I thought he was a cave ma-oh, right
What happened with indigenous representation in US media is that indigenous people wanted more entertainment on their terms. And after being acknowledged off and on, they started actually getting that this decade. Shows like Reservation Dogs, Dark Winds and The Lowdown. They're critically acclaimed shows whose cast members keep being tapped for more stuff. I can scarcely remember a time when Zahn McClarnon wasn't on tv in some capacity. It's slow, but things are improving.
>>152583356Peppy's aunt showed upwe need more of her grandma.
>>152586342Cute injun
