>I say Phantom Menace sucked more!>I say Attack of the Clones sucked more!
https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPG1u6EbiY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOTkSfVb4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfYzbNzxAU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWg0NlRU6-c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeOdW3UyP4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDIClx-_pY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYp8pek0zk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcs9hIn_Qs https://youtu.be/g81PoGKO0qAhttps://youtu.be/77lh4Ct6wdE Keep in mind, all of this is PRE-PLINKETT.
wow...this...is like...really funny...
>>152570585AOTC definitely sucks more. I'd argue it's the worst star wars film. Yes even worse than the sequels.
>>152570723it's just...filler with absolutely nothing going on
>>152570786That's not true.
Season 11...
>>152570585Phantom Menace has Darth Maul, single-handedly(two-handedly?) popularized twobladed swords across all media, and had thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_2bluVPsb0what did Snore of the Clones had(that Tarkowsky didn't give it posthumously)
>>152570853>posthumouslyGenndy died?
>>152570859the Movie did, on stage, and probably put several old geezers into boredom coma
>>152570786It's not filler. TPM is far more of a filler film as nearly nothing of importance happens in that film. You can literally skip TPM and lose nothing going into AOTC. The issue is AOTC fucks up way more in it's plot and the shit that is important to the entire saga is so mishandled that it actively harms the entire saga. You can ignore TPM if you really want to but you can't ignore how shit AOTC is.
>>152570585Imagine if they did this with TLA and TFA? At best, they would do it with TFA and RoSW.Also, why are pushing the idea that Homer is uniquely unqualified for his job?
didn't seem to prove much beyond that George Lucas was no longer the young cutting edge filmmaker he'd been in the 70s and he had been since surpassed
i'll watch the prequel trilogy a thousand times before I watch a single sequel movie.
>Your father built this here golden droid when he was a little kid, and was also owned by your uncle for ten years.>When I first met your father, he was already a great pilot. And by that I mean he was a 9 year old podracer.>He was a good friend. And by that I mean, I called him "dangerous" and "another pathetic lifeform".>Owen thought your father should've not gotten involved in some damnfool idealistic crusade. And by that I mean, your father and uncle weren't even related and briefly chatted for a few days.>That tiny droid that I call "little friend"? Yeah, me and him went on crazy adventures together in the Clone Wars. He even saved me from buzz droids when we attacked Hacky McCoughenstein's ship.>You will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. And by that I mean, *a* Jedi Master who instructed me as a Youngling, before I met Liam Neeson.
>>152570585>They will not touch the sequels
>>152570585bump
Attack of the Clones is kino
AOTC has Christopher Lee.
>>152570585PM and AOTC may have been uneven but they lead you to the greatness that is Revenge of the Sith
I'd say time has made the prequels loot a lot fucking better in comparison
>>152570832That's impossible.
>>152573518Rots is still extremely flawed. A few good scenes don't make up for all the problems it has. Still better than TPM or AOTC but that's not a high bar to pass.
>>152573588Define extremely flawed? The movie goes for a descent into madness/apocalypse now/heart of darkness feel and it excels at just that.It's a better film than ROTJ.
https://youtu.be/P-SVpUvFN8g?si=JHYea4WcjlRSVZjc
>>152573651Anakin's reasoning for joining the Dark side is terrible. Hinging his fall on a love story that is poorly executed is shit. Also the fact he immediately turns to killing innocent kids is incredibly stupid.
>>152570585Is this AI? Nobody thought the prequels sucked until the Plinkett reviews.
>>152573735It's amazing Zoomers have successfully gaslit people into thinking the prequels were ever liked.
>>152570723TPM should have been 2 films and AOTC should have been a TV show
>>152573651>>152573711They should have kept the scene of Anakin suspecting that Obi knocked-up Padme. But the movie was too damn long as it is.
>>152570853Christopher Lee playing yet another evil wizard
>>152573735like there's not footage of shell-shocked viewers leaving the first screening of Phantom Menace
>>152573735People hated the first 2.RotS , Gendy wars and time passing made people opinion mellow and kids who watched and liked the first one enter in the fandom
>>152573735https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYp8pek0zk
>>152573735Everyone thought they sucked except little children who were the target demographic apparently. The only thing people liked were the saber battles. But people mellowed out on the prequels with time. Because they were and are garbage SW movies, but OK sci-fi adventure movies. And they also brought us all the good animated shows.>>152574009Fans also hated 3, but coped saying that it at least had the most and best saber fights.
>>152570585>Attack of the Clones sucked moreIt didn't. It had action scenes unlike Phantom Menace.
>>152574698Keyword, apparently.
>>152573387
>>152572279I wonder why . . .
>>152575496Everyone fears the mouse
>>152574706And most retarded writing, and plot that doesn't make sense.
>>152572279crazy how it was acceptable to openly mock the prequels in mainstream media back then but mocking the disney trilogy is out of bounds.
>>152576159The Disney trilogy is just white noise there's nothing there to actually make fun of like there was with Jar Jar Binks.
>>152573735https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcs9hIn_Qs
>>152575816Neither of them are good, but you're retarded if you're implying they are anywhere close to being equally bad. I would rather marathon the prequel trilogy than watch any one of the sequels.>>152576159>>152576173Disney is a vindictive evil corporation that owns half of all media. If you go out of your way to ridicule them, they will blackball you. Good luck getting clicks if your reviews are weeks late because you're not invited to critic events.
>>152576219Fuck Disney. Their Star Wars is shit and they killed a franchise. May they be raped forever by spiny-dicked cocks in Hell.
>>152572178You was accurately described my theatrical history with the prequels. I even went into revenge of the sith with an attitude of getting it over with. For the record, however, aotc did specify that Anakin and Owen were half brothers.>>152576173You are mistaken. There's lots to make fun of.
I'd rather not watch shit
>>152576260Step-brothers not half brothers
>>152570723I disagree, it's the worst Star Wars film prior to the Sequels, but is still better than the Sequels
>>152576338It really isn't the sheer amount of plot holes, terrible acting, shit pacing make it just as bad as ROTSW or TLJ. The Force Awakens is better even though it's just a New Hope rehash. Doesn't help that AOTC is the worst looking visually speaking.
>>152576502Force Awakens is way worse than Attack of the Clones after another viewing. It has way more plot holes than Attack does and that's a feat since Attack has a lot of them
>>152576558Really? Because I'd need three posts just to list AOTC's plotholes that pertain specifically to the main plotline, that's without even delving into the ancillary plot issues. The Force Awakens has a lot of plotholes but it's closer to ROTJ in that respect than AOTC.
>>152574009>>152574698RotS is the least-bad of the Prequels but what's funny is literally every thing about that movie people praise was either guest-directed by Spielberg or had heavy input from him. It's better than the other two because it was basically half not even Lucas.
>>152575787It was much more fun than the other prequels and the sequel trilogy will always be.
>>152575366again
>>152570853>popularized twobladed swords across all mediaThis is just a bo staff (already popularized) with sharp bits.
>>152570585All prequels suck just the right amount. The OT sucks too little and the sequels way, WAY too much. But the prequels suck just right for there to be a hilarious meme culture centered around them on YT.
>>152570585You know, it's kinda strange in retrospect now that Last Jedi, Rise of Skywalker, Solo, Resistance, Young Jedi Adventures and The Acolyte exist.The prequels no longer represent the low point of the franchise and none of the newer garbage can be blamed on Lucas or his yesmen.
>>152578666Yeah it is weird. I remember in 2011 when the Blu-ray changes invoked all these "this is the last straw George" reactions.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3u70WELSEg
>>152578527Just as many memes came from the sequels. The ironic thing is they absolutely had an impact on culture just not the intended one.
>>152570585Y'all talkin Cosmic Wars?
The problem is that the prequels are bad in interesting ways but Rise of Skywalker isn’t, it’s just bad
>>152578713What's worse? Making a shitty sequel or actively ruining a good movie with stupid added bullshit?
>>152579714The sequels ruin the originals more by association.
>>152572178The only way to explain the lore inconsistencies is that obi wan and anikan had onset dementia by the time of new hope. Anakin had accelerated dementia due to dark side abuse
>>152576159did you just miss out on all the shitposting that went on in the aftermaths of TLJ and TRS?
>>152570585If you just cut the damn podrace, TPM is a much better movie. Find a way to totally remove the tattooine parts entirely and you have a decent movie. There is no quick fix to repair AOTC. Even the basic dialog is fucking insane.
>>152579746And the prequels do that too. But they don't keep us from watching the original films the way the stupid fucking changes George forced down our throats do.
>>152578666Nothing in the prequels ever really ruined anything for me. i never hated any older parts of the franchise because of anything appearing in them. But Disney has actually ruined a few things like Boba Fett. The Book of Boba Fett series actually did ruin that character for me. Ahsoka also ruined anything I liked about Rebels and at this point I just wish they would all go the fuck away.
People still care this much about Star Wars, let alone the prequel trilogy?
>>152581863There's no other sci-fi fantasy series that hits the same way And no people have moved on from 40k as well
The truest answer is that Star Wars as a whole was never good and people are waking up and finally realizing that now. Thank fucking God.
an eccentric crank getting in over his head and producing weird trash appears quaint compared to the cultural malaise of modern disney. that colors every comparison between the two.
>>152570585And I say, the entirty of Disney Star Wars is worse than both those movies combined.
>>152581863Unfortunately... Yes.
>>152581912>And no people have moved on from 40k as wellBecause GW shot themselves in the foot. Repeatedly. And they're still doing so.
>>152570723The only enjoyable part of AotC is Obi-Wan playing space detective and learning about the clones. Like thats the only thing that hooked me as a kid, and I'd start playing with toys whenever the other scenes would come on TV
>>152572178>there's no way Ben could be lying to LukeHe's already lying in the original scene where he says "Darth Vader killed your father" only for the reveal in Empire. Even from the "certain point of view" bs, you could apply that logic in how he tells the story of the Clone Wars.Also, as a prequel fag zoomer who grew up with the unedited VHS tapes, Ben's first confused look at Artoo could be interpreted as "oh shit, there's no fucking way its him"
>>152585107Nah. Prequels are still shit even if the sequels are shit. The majority of this franchise is shit but people just can't stop talking about space wizards, it's a mind virus.
>>152585149>movie franchise where only the first two movies are goodCan you name another one? Maybe BttF and I do really like part III
>>152585107both the sequel and prequel dudes need to be retarded and the OG trilogy guy needs to be normal
Off topic, but I really like Rey's introduction in Force Awakens. It's like the only time in the sequels where we actually see the result of the war against the Empire, and it's cool to see her explore wrecked AT-ATs and Tie Fighters. When she puts on that X-Wing fighter helmet as she eats her rations is very cute. I think they did a good job establishing her, and I know people harp on the "I bypassed the character development", but she was also surrounded by old tech and probably had to figure out which parts do what so she could sell them for more rations so I never really had a problem with it. The jedi thing is kinda bullshit tho, it really should've been Finn as black Kyle Katarn, I would've been okay with that
What kind of psychological manipulation is it that out-of-context Simpsons lines from decades ago and still get a laugh?
>>152585153Shrek
>>152585189The Simpsons used to be actually, genuinely funny, with a joke-per-minute ratio high enough to match Leslie Nielsen comedies.
>>152585167I like how her introduction scrounging around in the innards of a Star Destroyer is a direct reference to Nausicaa.
>>152576659Same reason the original trilogy was good>had his wife to tell him to his face if something was stupid>made the stupid shit he refused to take out look awesome.
>>152585153>movie franchise where only the first two movies are goodTerminator and Alien are major examples of this.
>>152585133I'd say that part of the movie is shit too. >Jango uses a physical weapon to kill Zam rather than an untraceable laser bolt. He doesn't even attempt using an explosive to try and kill the Jedi near her.>Obi-wan conveniently knows some random diner owner who knows the exact origin of the poison dart Jango used.>When questioned by Obi-wan Jango reveals he was hired by someone named Tyrannus. Obi-wan doesn't question the Kaminoians about this and for some reason the Kaminoians don't seem to know who this person is either.>Obi wan and The Jedi aren't suspicious of the fact that the clone army they are leading are cloned from a bounty hunter who attempted to kill Amidala and is alligned with the Seperatists.>The jedi still lead clone troopers despite knowing the planet they were manufactured on was removed from their archives around the time Sifo-Dias commissioned them then mysteriously died. This timeframe also lines up with when Dooku left the Jedi order.Heck I'd argue the detective plot is probably the worst aspect of the film.
>>152570723>>152570786I was 4 when Phantom Menace came out and 7 when clone wars came out and I think before rewatching I remembered more about the former than the later.>>152576558I was okay with Force Awakens the first time I watched it but I soured on it more and more over time.
>>152576607TFA mostly achieves this by not having a plot big enough to fit a hole in.
>>152586294The Force Awakens has been retroactively ruined for me. I don't care, I liked it when it came out and thought Kylo Ren was a cool character they added. Then I was coping with TLJ saying "least the Kylo Ren and Rei stuff is good", then I just glazed over in the theater watching Skywalker.It's a movie that I felt genuine promise for and what I got was Rian Johnson subversion, and JJ trying to condense 2 movies into 1 to basically gloss over TLJ with the most disappointing "fanfare" shit imaginable. Wanted to like the sequels but time marched on.
>>152586407TFA isn't bad it's just ruined by the other sequels by association. No different than how ROTJ is elevated by its predecessors.
>>152585153Lord of the Rings, and even that's stretching it a bit thin. (No Tom Bombadil, and the elves saving everyone in two towers ruined it.)
>>152575496Where's the lie?
>>152570723>Yes even worse than the sequels.You're on fucking crack.>>152570786The opening of the Clone War and the very beginning of Ani losing his shit is filler?
>>152570723>>152570786>>152576502You people are fucking retards. The prequels had an actual plot, themes and characters. The sequels are soulless, thematically empty films with literally nothing to say.
>>152570655Mike now agrees that the prequels were better than the sequels, because by his own words>"At least George tried to do something different."
>>152586894Alright retard let's do this.The Phantom Menace>The trade federation blockading a small planet of no worth to protest the taxation of their trade routes makes no sense. Especially when they have many other alternative solutions at their disposal.>There is no visual evidence that the blockade negatively impacts naboo. >It is never explained why Sidious has so much sway over the TF apart from vague notions of fear.>Qui-gon and company somehow travel through the Planet's core via a submarine.>The TF land on the other side of the planet despite having the capability of landing their troops outside the Captiol city.>Gunray has Amidala sent for processing instead of keeping her secure within the palace. Gunray doesn't even have her escorted by droidekas.>The TF somehow expect a treaty signed under duress to be legally binding.>R2D2 being the queen's astromech is a huge contrivance.>The TF attempt to destroy the ship holding the one person they require to sign their treaty. No fighters are scrambled to Intercept. >Jar Jar is brought along to Mos Espa despite being a huge liability that makes our group conspicuous.>Qui-gon's plan to obtain a Nubian Hyperdrive is completely convoluted and takes up way too much time that he admittedly doesn't have.>Qui-gon has numerous other options to get off Tatoonie or obtain the Nubian hyperdrive and uses none of them.>C-3PO is built by Anakin. Another major contrivance in order to reintroduce a character from the OT.>Midichlorians create a number of issues logistically while also removing the mysticism of the Force. >There is no visual indication Naboo is suffering under the TF occupation.>No one is aware of the Queen's location but the Queen's advisor is somehow able to send a message to her ship even though the TF is still jamming transmissions.>Maul is somehow able to locate the Queen to Tatoonie without leads.>The Jedi Council believes a 9 year old is too old to be trained.
>>152586925cont.>The TF has enough pull in the senate to prevent aid to Naboo but not enough to prevent tax increases.>The queen and company are able to break through the blockade to land back on Naboo with no issue. They are able to land without the TF tracking them down.>Sidious/Palpatine still pushes to have the TF capture the queen to sign the treaty despite having changed his plans and no longer requiring the TF any longer now that he is chancellor.>Qui-gon brings a 9 year old to a warzone instead of leaving him with the Jedi Council or Gungans in the Swamp.>Boss Nass makes Jar Jar a general despite knowing his propensity to cause trouble because he "made peace with the Naboo" the complete opposite of what a combat general is needed for. >The queen's guard doesn't immediately start shooting at Maul when he shows up unarmed in the hanger.>Anakin somehow destroys the TF control ship with no combat/flight experience and by complete luck.>Maul allows Obi-wan to jump over him without even attempting to swipe at him. This is after letting Obi-wan dangle off the ledge without using the force to push him into the chasm.>The Jedi Council allow Obi-wan to train Anakin despite having nothing but dangerous premonitions regarding the subject.
>>152586932cont.Attack of the Clones>Padme automatically assumes Count Dooku is behind her assassination attempts without any evidence>On behalf of Nute Gunray Dooku hires Jango Fett who hires Zam Wessel to kill Padme adding an unnecessary number of conspirators who could betray one another at any sign of trouble. (Keep in mind Zam almost outs Jango)>Nute Gunray wants to assassinate Padme despite her being the only vocal opposition to the creation of a Republic Army in the Senate. An Army which would actively combat the seperatist's Droid army and make seceeding difficult.>Obi-wan and Anakin recklessly use Padme as bait in an assassination attempt with their only surveillance being an astromech.>Obi-wan recklessly jumps out of Padme's apartment to capture Zam's assassination droid. A move that could have resulted in his death in a myriad of ways.>The droid Zam uses does not immediately self destruct upon failure. Instead it returns to Zam carrying Obi-wan with it.>Zam shoots her droid rather than shooting Obi-wan who has no means of defending himself while hanging on it.>Zam does not attempt to use her shapeshifting abilities to escape capture>Neither Anakin or Obi-wan guard the exit of the bar they chase Zam into.>Zam attempts to kill Obi-wan rather than escape out the unguarded exit.>When Zam is captured she attempts to reveal her contractor but is killed by a poison dart. Rather than state Jango's name she just blurts out an insult.>Jango uses a physical weapon to kill Zam rather than an untraceable laser bolt. He doesn't even attempt using an explosive to try and kill the Jedi near her.>Padme drops her campaign to stop the army creation bill and go into hiding despite having survived two assassination attempts already. She leaves Jar Jar Binks in her stay even though he could also be assassinated or be compromised.>The Jedi think the best place to hide Padme is on her home planet at a publicly known Royal Estate
>>152586925>>152586932Retard, that doesn't refute what I just said. The prequels had an actual plot, themes and characters. The sequels are soulless, thematically empty films with literally nothing to say.Nothing you say in regards to how many plot holes the prequels have compared to the sequels is going to refute that fact.
>>152586944cont.>Obi-wan conveniently knows some random diner owner who knows the exact origin of the poison dart Jango used.>Padme has issues with starting a romantic relationship with Anakin when there is no reason to feel this way. Any scandal would damage Anakin's reputation, not Padme.>Anakin is infatuated with Padme despite having no real reason to love her. They share no interests and have only the most minor of history together. Padme may be attractive but her interests do not allign with Anakin in any way.>Padme shows very little interest in Anakin and shows no real chemistry with the Jedi actively shunning his political beliefs and being turned off by his brash and immature behavior.>Anakin uses the dumbest fucking pick up line in all of history and it successfully gets him to 1st base with Padme.>The Kaminoians are still producing a Clone Army despite having no contact with their buyer in over a decade.>It is revealed that a Jedi Master Sifo-Dias is responsible for commissioning the Clone army on behalf of the republic. A character the Jedi Council confirm existed and is not an alias. Where he acquired the funds to purchase this army is never explained.>When questioned by Obi-wan Jango reveals he was hired by someone named Tyrannus. Obi-wan doesn't question the Kaminoians about this and for some reason the Kaminoians don't seem to know who this person is either.>The Kaminoians show no concern for the man their clones are based on trying to kill a Jedi, the order they believe responsible for commissioning the Clones in the first place.>The Lars family own C-3P0 creating a paradox in the fact that neither Beru or Owen recognize him in ANH despite having owned him for years and most likely being the only protocol droid they ever ownded>Padme is completely fine with Anakin murdering a bunch of women and children going so far as to say that it was a natural emotional response. >Padme and Anakin just steal C-3P0 from the Lars family.
>>152585153Nolan's Batman.
>>152586958>Heh, you see?! Pointing out the plot holes is refuting the point that the sequels have no themes/characters/a story to even speak of! I am very intelligent!
>>152586958cont.>The Senate doesn't question how an army was just randomly commissioned for them without their oversight and is revealed to them at the very moment they're deciding to vote on the creation of an Army.>Despite taking the place of the one person most vocal against the creation of an Army Jar Jar thinks the best course of action is to give supreme power to Palpatine so that he can create said army.>The Jedi have no qualms with commanding literal slaves as soldiers>The Jedi aren't suspicious of the fact that the clone army they are leading are cloned from a bounty hunter who attempted to kill Amidala and is alligned with the Seperatists.>The jedi still lead clone troopers despite knowing the planet they were manufactured on was removed from their archives around the time Sifo-Dias commissioned them then mysteriously died. This timeframe also lines up with when Dooku left the Jedi order.>The gunship chasing Dooku can't shoot him down because of a lack of rockets despite having multiple laser turrets. Clones aboard don't even attempt shooting him with their blasters>Yoda somehow knows exactly where Dooku's ship is and arrives just in time to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. Somehow beating Padme and the Clone troopers there who are closer in proximity to Dooku's base.>The clone wars somehow happen despite the Seperatist movement losing it's main droid manufacturer only hours after officially declaring independence.
>>152586973>>Heh, you see?! Pointing out the plot holes is refuting the point that the sequels have no themes/characters/a story to even speak of! I am very intelligent!
>>152586948>>152586972If the argument is the prequels actually have a "plot" then you immediately have lost the arguement when the plot is so convuluted and makes no fucking sense. Also this isn't a defense of the sequels it's pointing out idiots saying the prequels are just "better" are nostalgia blinded retards.
>>152586990>Prequels had CharactersI mean if you call people with barely any personality motivations or goals "characters"
>>152586982The prequels had an actual plot, themes and characters. The sequels are soulless, thematically empty films with literally nothing to say. The sequels are complete sludge and even Mauler, and Mike both agree to this. Mike himself even says>At least George tried to do something different.Any argument you try to make that the sequels somehow have a theme or even any real characters to speak of inevitably falls apart, where as the prequels actually have characters even if they're written badly. Any argument you try to make about them having an actual theme completely falls apart under the most minor scrutiny, whereas such a thing doesn't happen if you try to say the same for the prequels. >>152587005Lmao, that describes the sequel characters far more. The sequel characters are literal nothings that no on-screen presence, personality or anything to them. Any one of the prequel characters blows them out of the water.
>>152587005General Grevious, by himself, literally BTFO's the entire sequel cast.
>>152587041General Grevious? The coughing cyborg that's key defining trait is being a buttfucking pussy that runs away? Also stop using the prequels to defend the prequels. If the prequels are good you shouldn't need to point to shittier films to defend them.
>>152587053>Can you literally type anything else?Can you refute this or just keep crying about it? >They suck as films and fail to properly relay any worthwhile themes or motifs.At least they actually have them at all. Any argument you try to make in favor of the sequels having literally any themes or anything to say at all completely falls apart or contradicts itself. You know this is true.
>>152587027>The prequels had an actual plot, themes and characters. The sequels are soulless, thematically empty films with literally nothing to say.Can you literally type anything else?>hur dur you like the sequelsI'm not defending that trash. The sequels suck but that doesn't mean the prequels don't equally suck. They suck as films and fail to properly relay any worthwhile themes or motifs.
>>152587069>Any argument you try to make in favor of the sequelsI'm not you dumb fucker. The prequels suck just as bad.
>>152586755Two Towers is the weakest of the trilogy but literally none of them are less than good.
>>152587065>The coughing cyborg that's key defining trait is being a buttfucking pussy that runs away?As opposed to Captain Phasma who's uhh... yeah.. um.... As oppossed to Snoke who's uhh... yeah... umm... what... uhhAs opposed to Kylo Ren who's uhh.... hmmm..... yeah....As opposed to Poe who's uhhh... ahh...As opposed to Finn (I legit had to look up his fucking name just now because I didn't even remember it despite having seen these films just a few days ago.) who's uhhh yeah.. umm...Grevious is better than the entire sequel cast in terms of on-screen presence, charisma and personality. No fucking way you're trying to even argue against this.
>>152587077>Can you literally type anything else?Can you refute this or just keep crying about it?>They suck as films and fail to properly relay any worthwhile themes or motifs.At least they actually have them at all. Any argument you try to make in favor of the sequels having literally any themes or anything to say at all completely falls apart or contradicts itself. You know this is true.
>>152587093Phasma is the bad guy that's supposed to look coolSnoke is the bad guy that's supposed to look coolKylo Ren is the bad guy that's supposed to look coolGeneral grevious is the bad guy that's supposed to look.... oh shit.
>>152587091Why do people say Two Towers is the worst? It's easily better than Fellowship and has a way better fucking ending than the 40 in ROTK
>>152587111Phasma looks like like and is nothing.Snoke looks like like and is nothing.Kyolo Ren looks like like and is nothing.General Grevious BTFO's all of them.
>>152587124>General GreviousGot his ass kicked like a pussy ass bitch in every scene he's in.
>>152587134Kyle lost to a fucking untrained Rey.
>>152587160After getting shot in the guy, bleeding out, and fucking up Finn. What happened when Grevious got shot? Oh yeah he fucking died.
>>152587187>After getting shot in the guy, bleeding out, and fucking up Finn.Are you actually trying to compare these two scenes right now? General Grevious was hit in a weak spot by a jedi that's been training for years. Rey had literally had no training at all and managed to beat back a sith that was training for years under not palpatine but actually palpatine for years.
>>152587227>Rey beat up a guy shot in the stomach by a heavy caliber laser after he wastwd his energy on another person.
>>152587302>Sith magically aren't trained and strong after they get shot in the stomach
>>152572178Am I the only one on the planet who genuinely doesn't give a single shit about 'lore inconsistencies'? So many people have such a hard time accepting 'they hadn't though that far ahead/decided to change it' as an acceptable answer.I suppose it can't be helped, autistic retards are always going to be more common among people willing to talk about things like Star Wars.
>>152587327You might have a point if the very movie you're sucking off didn't show hundreds of force users dying to a single shot to the gut.
>>152587415The point is that Rey shouldn't have been able to beat Kylo under basically any circumstances.
>>152587579That's a retarded point because you might as well argue that Jedi and Sith are incapable of being incapacitated in anyway. Darth Vader is weaker after being burned to a crisp why the fuck shouldn't Kylo after getting shot in the gut and obviously bleeding out?
>>152587647And get beaten by someone completely untrained? You're pulling shit out of your ass. It's obvious if there was any logic in this movie's story whatsoever, Rey should not have had any chance against Kylo even if he was "incapicated" in reality he was fighting pretty normally.
>>152570585As a movie, Clone Wars was worse because it was boring for the most part. TPM had double bladed lightsaber, pod racing, and Duel of the Fates.TCW did have the Genndy cartoon and other show but I feel it is unfair to count those
>>152587677If I shot you in the gut a child could mug you after. Don't be a fucking retard. Your capabilities are not magically unaffected if you get incapacitated
>>152587754Kylo was well enough to have a full-on lightsaber duel with Rey after getting shot in the fucking gut and she somehow still won despite having absolutely no training whatsoever. Absolutely retarded fucking writing and you're an even bigger retard for defending it.
The prequels should have been>First movie about the first part of TPM, ending with a fight against the independist>Second movie start with Anakin meeting the council and Qui-Gon/Dooku meeting , end with the first movie end>Third movie a teen Anakin movie >Fourth film is ROTS without the youngling massacre but a scene of a jedi trying to save them but the clones ambush them
>>152585501I don't even bother watching the new movies anymore. Very sad stuff.
>>152585153Despite the memes around the teddy bears Return is an overall good film. Any time Luke is on screen in that movie is awesome
>>152587769>Admits Kylo was injured>Spergs out about him losing the fight even though he's injured.I have no idea how you can be this fucking stupid. Just because he's still fighting doesn't mean he's not having issues. Did you forget the issue of him bleeding out and this being the second person he had to fight? His stamina is already drained and is draining further with every moment as he loses more blood. This isn't bad writing. You have plenty of shit to criticize in regards to TFA writing and you're choosing to critisize the one moment where shit makes sense. This would be like someone criticizing Obi-wan for not continuing to fight Dooku after getting stabbed in the arm and Leg.
>>152588057It's a lot more than the ewoks that are a problem with ROTJ.>the plan to rescue Han is convoluted and makes no damn sense>Boba Fett is killed in the most unsatisfactory way despite being hyped up as the major antagonist of Tatoonie>Han is pointless for most the film despite how hard the characters work to save him.>the second death star is such a lazy rehash even if the space battle is fucking amazing>Endor is poorly paced and takes up too much of the run time.>Yoda and especially Ben are sort of shoehorned in just to reinforce that Vader is indeed Luke's dad rather than to give any sort of last words of wisdom.>Vader is way less threatening in this film than empire or star wars. He's this pathetic lap dog for the empire when he and Tarkin seemed to have mutual respect despite Vader working under him>Endor is a rather visually monotonous environment and doesn't lend itself as well to the scifi setting as Tatoonie, Hoth, or cloud city.It's a very weak movie compared to its predecessors even if it has the highest highs of the Trilogy.
>>152570723>Yes even worse than the sequels.
>>152588168It makes absolutely no sense that Kylo, who is still well enough to fight in a lightsaber duel, loses to someone without any training. He is still very clearly well enough to fight with a lightsaber and use his normal lightsaber training. Rey is fundamentally not on his level at all. He loses to someone with absolutely zero training at all. Are you going to keep ignoring this point, or ignore and continue blabbering on like an autistic retard?
>>152578666I can't really call myself a SW fan anymore when I have no interest in 90% of the franchise.
>>152586913MCU Spider-Man is different from the Raimi movies, so is therefore objectively better. Is that right?
>>152588398>Ignoring the context and comparison of the two
>>152588196>>the plan to rescue Han is convoluted and makes no damn sensethis could work if it's fun, heist movies are a whole genre about convoluted plans>>Boba Fett is killed in the most unsatisfactory way despite being hyped up as the major antagonist of Tatooniehe wasn't, he was a grunt. Pop culture elevated him>>Han is pointless for most the film despite how hard the characters work to save him.Han only did 2 thing per movie>>the second death star is such a lazy rehash even if the space battle is fucking amazingIt's a completely new set and it creates a different battle>>Endor is poorly paced and takes up too much of the run time.>>Yoda and especially Ben are sort of shoehorned in just to reinforce that Vader is indeed Luke's dad rather than to give any sort of last words of wisdom.>>Vader is way less threatening in this film than empire or star wars. He's this pathetic lap dog for the empire when he and Tarkin seemed to have mutual respect despite Vader working under him>>Endor is a rather visually monotonous environment and doesn't lend itself as well to the scifi setting as Tatoonie, Hoth, or cloud city.It's better than open desert None of this matters. The movie is boring and every sequence last longer than needed until you stop paying attention. It's the same issue with every Star Wars movie. Trying to identify small issues is a horrible way to critique something that is bad as a whole, it's like trying to describe individual trees when the issue is that you have a forest. Stop watching youtubers that go item by item instead of adressing real issues.
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>>152570585Prequel reappraisal was a Disney astroturf
>>152570655Plinkett review was 2008, some of these are after that
>>152588196ANH and Empire were made at the tail end of the New Hollywood era while Jedi was at the start of the Reagan toy commercial years
>>152588571Plinkett's TPM review was late 2009
>>152588265>He is still very clearly well enough to fight with a lightsaberHe's literally chimping out and smacking his wound to try and keep some adrenaline going. How is it so hard to understand this shit? I ask again how is this any different than Obi-wan getting stabbed lightly by Dooku and throwing in the towel?
>>152585534Eh, agree to disagree. They were on the brink of a Galactic Civil War and the point of the sith is mystery and confusion. The fact that only Obi-Wan seemed to actually know what was going on and was steadily learning it along with the audience is what moves the plot forward. I guess Yoda also knows whats happening because Obi-Wan has to find that missing planet, but none of them had any information about clones or Kaminoes to really interrogate or question what they were doing. You can't just whip out the lightsaber and hold people hostage until you get the answers you want.
>>152588664>It makes absolutely no sense that Kylo, who is still well enough to fight in a lightsaber duel, loses to someone without any training. He is still very clearly well enough to fight with a lightsaber and use his normal lightsaber training. Rey is fundamentally not on his level at all. He loses to someone with absolutely zero training at all. Are you going to keep ignoring this point, or ignore and continue blabbering on like an autistic retard?
>>152586913Yeah, so what if the prequels >gave us Intergalactic Stepin Fetchit himself, Jar Jar Binks>ruined little Jake Lloyd's life by making him a target of media criticism, geek outrage and schoolyard bullies>ruined filmmaking by popularizing the "filming 90% of the movie in greenscreen and CGI coating everything afterwards" method that Marvel would later perfect >raised an audience of dangerous man-children by framing an authoritarian bootlicker and child-murdering psychopath as the all-important "Chosen One" of the whole saga>conditioned young romantics for Twilight and other awful love stories with Anakin and Padme>gave us THE most obnoxious online fandom this side of Sonic What's important is simply that they were different.
>>152588854I don't give a fuck about what effects they've had. I only care about what's actually on screen. What's on screen in the prequels is better than the sequels. Simple as.
>>152588602My bad, maybe I got confused with the older TNG movie reviews
>>152588455>this could work if it's fun, heist movies are a whole genre about convoluted plansProblem is that Lando has already infiltrated the Palace and could have simply freed Han the entire time without getting Leia, Chewie, or the Droids captured. Hell Luke could have just walked in with his saber and prevented all the death defying theatrics.>he wasn't, he was a grunt. Pop culture elevated himHe was established as a major threat in Empire acting as Vader's main henchman and being the one guy to track down Han and company to Bespin. Him getting killed by accident by a blind Han Solo is not satisfactory even if he was just some side villain. This would be like Maul getting killed by accidently jumping into that chasm on Naboo.>Han only did 2 thing per movieWithout han Luke would have died and the rebellion would have died on Yavin. He sacrifices himself for his friends on Bespin. He stands around a door for half an hour and Leia was more than capable of doing that alone.>It's a completely new setYeah surr... and so was Starkiller base.
>>152573735Who was worse, Star Wars Fans during the prequels or the modern cartoon Fandom like TADC.
>>152588829>Just repeating himselfYeah retard this isn't the gotcha you think it is. You're acting like Kylo was on his A game fighting Rey when that is obviously not true. Keep deluding yourself. Similar shit occurred in the prequels and even the OT but I don't see you shitting on those moments like they're bad writing.
>>152588931It doesn't matter if he's on his A-game or not. She fundamentally has no training to even be competing with him AT ALL in the first place. Are you going to keep ignoring this point?
>>152588854>raised an audience of dangerous man-children by framing an authoritarian bootlicker and child-murdering psychopath as the all-important "Chosen One" of the whole saga>conditioned young romantics for Twilight and other awful love stories with Anakin and PadmeThis is some INSANE reaching.
>>152588990The chick that was shown to kick a bunch of dudes assholes on Jakku? I think she has a chance especially given then fact Kylo was shot, bleeding out, and winded from the last fight he had with Finn which you keep fucking ignoring you dumb fuckwit. I think even you're dumbass could take on Bruce Lee if he was shot and bleeding out after your friend winded him.
>>152589088Different anon, but isnt it possible that Kylo is just a shit swordsman? Like after Luke's jedi school fails, its not like he really had any one to spar with, and I bet all of his Knights of Ren jobbed to him so he wouldn't have a temper tantrum. I like Kylo for those reasons, btw, much like Anakin in the prequels. That anger just confuses and disorients you from whats really in front of you
>>152589088>Her beating up a bunch of untrained guys on not Tattoine Versus>Beating up an expertly trained swordsman and somehow not getting one-shotted immediately You do realize how retarded you sound, right? You dumbfucks trying to defend this nonsensical writing is so fucking sad.
>>152589152Why do you keep ignoring the fact that he's incapacitated? It doesn't fucking matter what your skill level is if you have your proverbial hands tied behind your back. This is why your arguement is shit. How about I dumb it down for you. Imagine playing an RPG and you are fighting a enemy with a higher level than you. You can still beat him if his HP is already low and he's sufferring a shit ton of debuffs. This is not that hard of a concept to understand but you'll gladly ignore this just to keep yourself from giving a point in the sequel's favor
>>152589120Yeah, it really isn't that stupid of a writing decision. Why anyone wouls get hung up on that aspect of TFA when there is bigger fish to fry is beyond me.
>>152589248Why do you keep ignoring the fact that there's massive knowledge and skill gap on how to use a lightsaber and fight with it, that Rey clearly does not possess while Kylo clearly does? Actually, it'd be more like if an enemy in an RPG had a move that could instantly kill you without you knowing about it and even if he has all these debuffs on him, it still doesn't matter, he's going to one-shot you. It doesn't fucking matter. He was clearly able to fight well enough with a fucking lightsaber to begin with. He's going toe to toe with someone who doesn't fucking know how to use one at all >NOOO MUH POLEARM SOMEHOW GIVES HER THE KNOWLEDGE TO USE A LIGHTSABERisn't going to work as an excuse either. You fucking retarded braindead monkey. There's literally nothing that justifies her being able to beat Kylo. None. Zilch. Nada. Fucking nothing you absolute mongoloid. She has no idea how to even fucking use a lightsaber in the first place and yet magically begins using it effectively. Just like all the other Mary Sue shit she does throughout the trilogy. Keep sucking on that Disney cock.
>>152589313>Why do you keep ignoring the fact that there's massive knowledge and skill gap on how to use a lightsaber and fight with it, that Rey clearly does not possess while Kylo clearly does?I'm not you stupid fucker. I'm recognizing that having debilitations are going to negate the advantages those come with. You're the one unwilling to accept that someone who is suffering from a major injury is going to not fight as well as someone who is healthy.>Actually, it'd be more like if an enemy in an RPG had a move that could instantly kill you without you knowing about it and even if he has all these debuffs on him, it still doesn't matter, he's going to one-shot you.Hey anon you do realize the debuffs cause the enemy to miss constantly right? Like you'd still be able to get enough hits in to kill the fucker without ever even getting it by said attack.>He was clearly able to fight well enough with a fucking lightsaber to begin withHewas having trouble with Finn who doesn't even have training with a melee weapon.>NOOO MUH POLEARM SOMEHOW GIVES HER THE KNOWLEDGE TO USE A LIGHTSABERKnowing how to use a melee weapon is going to transfer far more than any other weapon use. If I know basic fencing I'm going to do better in a fight with a Katana than the guy that only knows target shooting.>There's literally nothing that justifies her being able to beat Kylo.Except the fact he's suffering major injuries, stamina loss, bleed out, and mental/emotional strain. You just ignore this shit because you're having the same emotional tantrums as Kylo.
>>152589775>I'm recognizing that having debilitations are going to negate the advantages those come with.No, they are not you fucking retard. You don't just magically lose your skill and knowledge just from being injured. Are you fucking with me right now? >Hey anon you do realize the debuffs cause the enemy to miss constantly right?Rey has neither the knowledge or skill to engage with him in any kind of sword combat, lest she get one shotted.>He was having trouble with Finn who doesn't even have training with a melee weapon.Also retarded.>Knowing how to use a melee weapon is going to transfer far more than any other weapon useA polearm is not the same thing as using a lightsaber. She absolutely should NOT know how to use a fucking lightsaber just from using the polearm. Just as how she shouldn't know how to magically fix Han Solo's ship just from being a junkyard person. It's fucking retarded writing that you're excusing for the sake of not being able to see the flaws in the sequel's writing. >Except the fact he's suffering major injuries, stamina loss, bleed out, and mental/emotional strain.That doesn't magically make you not skilled at sword combat. Rey should have been struck down in a single shot with how big of a power/skill and knowledge gap there was between her and Kylo. There's no fucking reason for this scene. You have no argument.
>>152589820>No, they are not you fucking retard. You don't just magically lose your skill and knowledge just from being injured. Are you fucking with me right now?You are telling me that if you were shot in the fucking gut you would still be able to fight with the same fucking skill and precision? Holy shit you are actually fucking retarded. The muscle fibers being fucking damaged alone are going to cause someone to have issues with their dexterity. I don't understand how you are so fucking stupid that you can't recognize that getting hurt fucks up your skills. You're acting like an Olympic runner is still going to be able to run as fast if they get a fucking iron pipe to the shin. This isn't a fucking argument. You aren't going to be as skillful when you are injured, disoriented, and bleeding.>Rey has neither the knowledge or skill to engage with him in any kind of sword combat, lest she get one shotted.She has melee skills, this is pre-established. This would be like you getting upset that Luke can fly and X-wing despite only ever flying a "T-16 back home" and only ever having ship to ship combat experience on the Millennium Falcon.>Finn hitting Kylo is retardedNo it isn't. It's literally showing that Kylo is not fighting at his best because he's injured, disoriented, and emotionally unstable.Buddy you are making the dumbest fucking arguement. Why are you giving other Star Wars films that do this exact same thing a pass? You obviously don't actually care about the plot you just blindly hate TFA. Hell I don't even like the force awakens but I'm not gonna let dumbasses like you make objectively wrong arguements just to hate on it.
>>152589917>You are telling me that if you were shot in the fucking gut you would still be able to fight with the same fucking skill and precision?Kylo seemed perfectly capable of doing so. Which is what you're ignoring.>You aren't going to be as skillful when you are injured, disoriented, and bleeding.Kylo was having a full-on lightsaber duel. You're acting as if he can barely fucking walk. That's not an argument. He objectively is far more skilled than Rey and should have one-shotted her.>She has melee skills, this is pre-established.Using a melee weapon that's completely different in style, fighting skill and execution than a lightsaber.>This would be like you getting upset that Luke can fly and X-wing despite only ever flying a "T-16 back home" and only ever having ship to ship combat experience on the Millennium Falcon.Luke is established to be one of the best fucking fliers on Tatooine, not just someone who knows how the fuck to fly a ship. Rey has literally nothing backing up the idea that she can use a fucking lightsaber against someone who is expertly trained like Kylo Ren is. There's absolutely no excuse.>No it isn't. It's literally showing that Kylo is not fighting at his best because he's injured, disoriented, and emotionally unstable.It makes absolutely no sense that Kylo, who is still well enough to fight in a lightsaber duel, loses to someone without any training. He is still very clearly well enough to fight with a lightsaber and use his normal lightsaber training. Rey is fundamentally not on his level at all. He loses to someone with absolutely zero training at all.>You obviously don't actually care about the plot you just blindly hate TFAAnd you're blindly defending TFA with the absolute most braindead arguments possible. I've heard every single one of these arguments since at least 2015 and they're still not any less retarded than what they were before.
>>152588920Both are shit. Stop obsessing over cartoons and get a job.
I have watched some reactions on youtube of people that has never seen Star Wars (not blinded by nostalgia), and after watching all movies some of they said that the prequels are better than the originals and the sequels suck ass.
>>152589980>Kylo seemed perfectly capable of doing soHe got hit by fucking Finn. He was bleeding out. He was acting completely irradically. Compare him to the beginning of the film where he's able to hold a blaster bolt in place with no effort. How the fuck are you telling me he's not impaired?>Kylo was having a full-on lightsaber duelAnd he was making mistake after mistake. He was obviously not fighting with the skill he would have been if he wasn't fucking shot. You're acting like he's in top performance you dumb fuck.>Luke is established to be one of the best fucking fliers on TatooineHis best friend is just vouching for him. If you can accept Luke is a good pilot via dialog you should be willing to accept Rey has melee combat skills with an establishing scene.>who is still well enough to fight in a lightsaber duelHe isn't. He's fighting because he literally has no other options and is being fucking retarded because he's disoriented. Jesus Christ I don't get how you can ignore the movie this badly. >I've been arguing this since 2015So you've been wrong for over a decade? I just don't understand how someone can be this stubbornly wrong that he'll act like getting shot isn't a big deal.
RLM literally changed the culture and convinced everyone to pretend to hate the prequels.
>>152590160You are absolutely wrong in every sense of the word. We have tons of documented evidence of people hating the prequels the moment they came out. There were multiple parodies making fun of them for how bad they were. For fuck sake Attack of the Clones saw the steepest drop in any mainlain star wars film ever, that alone shows how fucking despised TPM was.
>>152590143>He got hit by fucking Finn. He was bleeding out. He was acting completely irradically.And was able to have a lightsaber duel.>And he was making mistake after mistake. He was obviously not fighting with the skill he would have been if he wasn't fucking shot. No, he was losing because of an artificial contrivance made to make Rey not lose the fight, when it makes no fucking sense for her to be even able to fight him at all.>His best friend is just vouching for him. If you can accept Luke is a good pilot via dialog you should be willing to accept Rey has melee combat skills with an establishing scene.He's literally won races and competitions based on flying and is known widely as the best flyer on the entire planet. He's not just some guy that knows how to fly a plane. Rey has absolutely no training and nothing shows that she should know how to fight with a lightsaber just because she used a polearm. That's completely retarded.>He isn't. He's fighting because he literally has no other options and is being fucking retarded because he's disoriented.Then explain them having a lightsaber duel.
>>152590176What's funny is that people were already beginning to defend the prequels by the time that the first RLM review came out, only like 4 years after ROTS. It's been ten years, and there's still not this massive movement of people defending the sequels like everyone insisted there would be. Where are they?
>>152590202>And was able to have a lightsaber duel.Yeah and people can still drive while drunk. Doesn't mean they don't have fucking issues driving. That's the fucking point. You can still do things when incapacitated but you are going to do those things worse. That's what I've been saying this entire thread and what you stupidly ignore. Just because you can do something while incapacitated doesn't mean you can still do it with the same skill normally. I guess Luke could have blew up the death star while on pot by your stupid fucking reasoning.>>152590202>he was losing because of an artificial contrivanceLosing because you are bleeding out from a shot to the gut is a contrivance? >He's literally won races and competitions based on flying This is only established in dialog so why do you have a problem when TFA establishes something with an actual scene?>Then explain them having a lightsaber duel.Because he literally has no other options. How the fuck is he going to get his Grandpa's lightsaber if he just lets Finn and Rey go?
>>152590211People have started unironically defending The Last Jedi as a masterpiece that was scorned by unappreciative fans. Not making this up. I actually see retards defending the last jedi with the same fervor as those that defend The Phantom Menace and it's insane.
>>152590400>You can still do things when incapacitated but you are going to do those things worse.And Kylo was having a full on lightsaber dual. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with him in the way that the movie portrays it. He should have had no problem one-shotting Rey.>Losing because you are bleeding out from a shot to the gut is a contrivance? When said gunshot wound isn't preventing you from having a full on dual with someone in a type of battle that you're expertly skilled and trained in, and you lose to someone that's not trained in it at all, that's a contrivance.>This is only established in dialog so why do you have a problem when TFA establishes something with an actual scene?Do you have a learning disability? There's a massive difference in the amount of justification Luke is given versus the amount that Rey is given. She basically has only one scene using a polearm, not even established as the best fighter around or anything of the sort, and is already wielding a lightsaber, which is completely different than a fucking polearm. >Because he literally has no other options. How the fuck is he going to get his Grandpa's lightsaber if he just lets Finn and Rey go?Yeah, and he should have had no problem beating the shit out of the two of them.
>>152590456>There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with himEnough. You keep fucking lying. It isn't worth arguing with someone that ignores basic vidual visual evidence that a character is bleeding out and is having issue fighting.
>>152590584>Completely ignore context>Let me take one (correct) thing you said and then use it to justify ignoring the rest of the (correct) things you said!Fucking embarrassing.
>>152590618>Completely ignores context
>>152590425I would defend TLJ to the extent that rian tried to make a genuine film instead of just disney styrofoam, a bad movie in a less sterile way than rise of skywalker.
>>152587123It kind of drags in the middle which neither Fellowship or ROTK do. Also the multiple endings in RotK are fine, it's a great sendoff and people only bitched about them because they had to piss really fucking bad at the end of the movie and kept getting pissblocked. Two Towers is generally considered the lesser of the three but again it's not really bad, it just has a bit of a pacing issue that drags it down for most people compared to the other two. Especially in the extended versions which is what a lot of people default to now (although IMO RotK had a few extended scenes that were worse than anything in Two Towers, they don't mess with the pacing as bad).
>>152591131Really? Because I think Two Towers has way better pacing than ROTK and especially Fellowship.
>>152570723I agree with you 100% anon, don't let these retards sway you.I legitimately cannot watch AOTC while sober, it's just impossible for me.
Prequels gave us Clone Wars and a lot of other good stuff. Sequels ruined Star Wars so hard that Disney is still afraid to touch the era with a 10ft pole. They tried once with Resistance, and it flopped so horribly they just gave up. Sequels are a barren radioactive wasteland that poisoned the franchise beyond repair. Not one redeeming quality about them.
>>152570585>I say Sneed owns the Store!>I say Chuck owns the Store!
>>152591198Might be a personal preference thing, I know some people who like Two Towers the most but they're in a minority from my experiences. Like most polls I've seen have Fellowship and RotK relatively neck and neck with Two Towers lagging them, but there's obviously still people voting for it in that case. I personally like all three about equally for different reasons and feel like they all have some flaws that bring them down slightly.
>>152588509>white boy>in an intergalactic settingThe first line is where you should realize this was written by a retard and stop reading.
>>152578902The prequel memes adopt the cast as lovable idiots and create meme lore around them. The sequel memes are just shitting on the sequels and everyone in them. It's not the same.
>>152578162Donatello and bo staves were never cool. Donatello is the disability kid+ house nerd of the turtles
>>152572178from a certain point of view
>>152590802I agree. Doesn’t make it a not-shitty film, but still: At least he was trying, unlike the others.
>>152576261rude
