Some religious stuff can be good
Like Testament The Bible in Animation series

Because unlike most religious stories that do their damnedest to hammer home how amazing God is and how He can do no wrong or whatever, Prince of Egypt actually tries to tell a proper story with nuance spread across every character. No one person in PoE is completely without fault, and that includes God himself - his destruction of Egypt and the murder of the firstborns is explicitly shown to be a bad thing that NO ONE, not even Moses, wants. His wrath is not portrayed as a win for the Jews so much as the fucking nuclear option that everyone completely underestimated (Moses just wanted help freeing his people, he didn't want a fucking genocide).

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>>152576069
>Lets his people get enslaved for hundreds of years, watches as dozens of infants are killed
>Finally frees them
>Now they have to walk the desert for 40 years
What the FUCK a was his problem?

>>152576228
he created Asian parents in his image, what the fuck do you think?

>>152576069
I'm sorry your parents forced you to go to church on Sunday but you need to move on.

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>>152576069
Because it's made in good faith.

>>152576228
They have to serve God. God doesn't have to serve them.

>>152576069
Because ultimately the Bible has a ton of cool stories in it

>>152576069
Religion can be extremely cool, it's just not typically so for American Protestants.

>>152576069
Religious myths aren't inherently boring or fun. This particular story is fun, so the film was fun.

>>152576228
Being created by ignorant and violent bronze age tribal priests.

>>152576069
Ancient mythology is full of cool stories, Judaism is no exception. Religious media is only bad when it's overly preachy and judgemental and made as propaganda to influence the audience, but in that it's no different to politically motivated liberal/conservative shit. There's a world of difference between Prince of Egypt and a Chick Tract.

>>152576142
This

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>>152576228
>Pharaoh considering letting the Israelites go free after everything that's happened
>God hardens his heart so that he won't
>since Pharaoh won't let the jews go free, God has to unleash the deadly plagues and kill all the Egyptian firstborn sons
>"ZOMG!!!! LOOK AT HOW POWERFUL OUR GOD IS!!! LET'S ALL WORSHIP A GOLDEN CALF ANYWAY!!!"
How do religionkeks explain this?

>>152576228
>>152576580
If you knew anything about pre-monotheistic Judaism, you'd know that YHWH is an example of a Dyes Pater (Sky Father) but having originally come from...somewhere (possibly from the Kenites), then took the name of a Canaanite metallurgy god, joined the pantheon, and absorbed/assimilated the other deities as Judaism changed over time. He's some stranger who became the new El. That's not even mentioning how the influence of Greek and Egyptian faith impacted things.

YHWH is a volcano/dragon/donkey/lion/bull/sun deity. Jewish folklore even specifies that God's wife divorced him for being a dick to the Jews. Lovecraft was completely right about how YHWH is some horrific eldritch entity. Imagine some stranger walking into your home, replacing one of your family members, and then assimilating the rest of your family Thing/Body Snatchers style.

>>152576354
>They have to serve God.
Why?

>>152576611
Jewish folklore covers it. YHWH likes the Jews because the Jews are most like him, and he's possessive. He doesn't want to share them with other deities, and he's also influenced by the whole "is encompassing multiple domains" thing so he's still a male God but acts like a female one. Slaver Father and a Devouring Mother.

>>152576608
>If you knew anything about pre-monotheistic Judaism, you'd know that YHWH is an example of a Dyes Pater (Sky Father) but having originally come from...somewhere (possibly from the Kenites), then took the name of a Canaanite metallurgy god, joined the pantheon, and absorbed/assimilated the other deities as Judaism changed over time. He's some stranger who became the new El.
...wait, isn't that exactly what happened in Xena?

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>>152576069
>Religious art and music produces some of the greatest works in the entire history of the human race for centuries
>Modernity happens
>Suddenly it's so fucking rare that people balk at an actually good religious work like such a thing is basically impossible
Religionbros... what the fuck happened?

>>152576580
When it says he hardens his heart I don't think it means God literally controls him to not make him let them go but more so Pharaoh is having his heart hardened in the sense that he sees what God can do but is being to stubborn to give up in the sense God hardened his heart as a consequence of his demonstration s with the plagues....also I'm not religious but I just figured it is metaphorical in saying God hardened his heart and not literally God depriving him of free will for more bloodshed

>>152576608
Isn't there a passage in the bible where God literally says how he's going to kill the other gods because they didn't protect the jews or something? Can't remember what passage but I always assumed that was Yahweh after taking El's place as the godhead and then getting rid of the other members. Then he started telling everyone "I'm the only god. There are no others gods. It's just me. I'm also omniscient and omnipotent and you have to worship me."
He's literally a usurper. He killed the true father of mankind and took his place, killed all the other canaanite gods, and then started masquerading himself as this all powerful deity.

>>152576709
in pretty much every translation, it says that the Lord hardens his heart. And there's an earlier passage where God literally tells Moses "I'm gonna harden his heart lol be ready for it"

>>152576684
I love black and white cats so much

>>152576757
It's more like he MERGED with El because El liked him a lot and didn't like humans. Read up on "Two Gods in Heaven", it distinguishes that the El side of God was the creator/chief patriarch but didn't love humans and kept his distance from. YHWH on the other loves humans and is extremely human-like, down to how he treats people.

Think of it like how Buddhism describes life as a burning house. El made the house and everyone inside it but did nothing to stop it from catching on fire, then put YHWH in charge after doing the fusion dance with him. YHWH doesn't want people to leave the house because he's scared.

>>152576774
>moses' whole story is basically dave chapelle riding around with wayne brady

>>152576801
Tuxedos are objectively the best cats.

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>>152576801
OI, POSTMAN TWAT, YOU LEFT MY PARCEL OUT IN THE RAIN YOU WANKER

>>152576684
Church is no longer the main repository of knowledge, the place people first make contact with actual music and neither the only place with enough money to commission famous.

>>152576757
>be El
>make the world and everything in it
>make humans in your image with your wife
>you start to dislike humans and grow tired of being in charge
>you desire to become part of the Source/Presence/One/Monad/Nothingness
>some stranger shows up and is adopted into the family, he's very popular
>take this opportunity to get rid of your jackass family members who are becoming evil thanks to human contact (Baal, Moloch, etc) by merging with him
>fuck off into the Presence/Source and leave YHWH to eat your rivals/enemies and merge with them and do the same to your wives and family
>never get held responsible because everyone thinks YHWH is you

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>>152576069
>How in the fuck is a religious movie so good?
Tayu

>>152576069
It's not that good

Antz and Shrek mog this movie

>>152576580
Have you considered reading the Bible? All the answers to your questions are in there.

>>152576611
Because without him they're fucked. As is made clear when he gets sick of generations of Israelites breaking his laws and removes his divine protection and their temple gets destroyed, and they get conquered. This happens twice by the way.

>>152576228
A core part of Judaism is that God openly admits to being a petty neurotic bitch and that part of being the "chosen people" is having to put up with more of his BPD bullshit.

>>152577386
>Have you considered reading the Bible? All the answers to your questions are in there
They aren't and the story is half-assed. Exodus doesn't even mention the pyramids existing, which are some of those local landmarks that are rather hard to miss.

>>152576885
many such gods

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>>152577449
>why doesnt this book about god glorify the works of man
gee man no clue

>>152576069
Why didn't the movie mention that Moses was an incest baby?

>>152577449
>Exodus doesn't even mention the pyramids existing,
This is why I'm always pissed off by people saying "The Jews didn't build the pyramids". Yeah they didn't, the Bible never claims they did, Exodus not mentioning them is the weirder thing. Jews building the pyramids was a Hollywood invention to condense down what people knew about Egypt into a single quick visual reference.

>>152576684
>Religionbros... what the fuck happened?
Most religious people nowadays are either culturally religious or performatively religious. VERY few seem to be genuinely religious to the point of inspiration.

>>152576774
Is that actually the case cause then if God can just override free will then that kinda makes the Bible pretty bullshit narratively speaking in other stories where a big deal is made of choices and all that sorta stuff.

>>152576228
>Lets his people get enslaved for hundreds of years, watches as dozens of infants are killed
yes. "chosen" doesn't mean "nothing bad will ever happen to you". It just means that God has chosen to reveal himself to this tribe of people, and demand that they live in an extra strict religious way, so that they can be an example of religious living to the rest of humanity (who God also cares about, but doesn't want to be so blunt as to reveal himself to them directly; so they can come to Him through faith).

>Now they have to walk the desert for 40 years
the reason for this was so that the former Egyptian slaves would die of old age, and so Israel would be founded by a new generation of free Hebrews, who never knew dependence on a slave-master. God also is kind of spiteful. He doesn't want Moses to live long enough to see his life's work completed, because he thinks that Moses was way too prideful, and was representing God's miracles as his own magic.

>>152576330
CARLOS!

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>>152578067
>if God can just override free
Anon, free will isn't biblical. The book tell you over and over that God control everything and your decisions don't really matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJleW4TCQM0
One of the best scenes in animated history, and every song in the movie is solid gold. Only thing I didn't like was that it made the Egyptian priests mere magicians with no miraculous powers of their own.

>>152577386
>Have you considered reading the Bible? All the answers to your questions are in there.
That's like telling somebody to check the Internet. You might be able to skim it and find answers to your existential quandaries, sure. But of the billions of people who have read The Bible, how many obtain complete theological mastery?
The reason we have so many denominations and so many centuries of academic study isn't because nobody bothered to read the book. These things are complicated. Treating it as something you can just look up the answers for is how you end up a smarmy twit who thinks his incomplete knowledge is all there is to know. You get people who think seeing an ostensible
absurdity, knowing the tetragrammaton, or being able to site a passage mean they're right and that's that.

>>152578449
To be fair not read any of the bibble since I was a child plus most of what I did read already trickled out of my brain for dinosaur, kaiju, alien and sexy babe hyperfixations as I got older

>>152578449
So it's God's will that everyone who doesn't believe in him thinks that way? Then when do Abrahamic faiths try to convert anyone?

>>152577449
Why would it mention the pyramids? They are not relevant to the story.

>>152576069
Solid animation.
Decent music.
Didn't stray from the source material.

>>152578893
Most faiths don't deny free will. But even if nobody had free will people would still need to know about God in order to believe or disbelieve.

>>152576069
I think an overlooked factor in whether a religious movie is good is whether it's intimidated by the source material; if it's not intimidated, then it's more likely to be good.

>>152576684
People don't really eat, breathe, and dream in faith like they used to. It's almost more like a personality trait than the same utterly deep conviction historical peoples had. So they don't really strive to create things they think God Himself might find pleasing and just do it to appeal to generic cultural trends instead.

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Canaanite pussy got me questioning my loyalty to pharaoh.

>>152576228
>it's okay when Allah does it

>>152576228
>Old Testament is just God trolling the jews and them lashing out repeatedly
>continues until the New Testament where God does one last rug pull on the jews, declaring gentiles the chosen people
>immediately destroys their temple, sacks their kingdom, and scatters them to the winds
The first of 109.

>>152576684
>Religious art and music produces some of the greatest works
The 10 commandments was so kino, it inspired one my all time favorite tracks; "Creeping Death" by Metallica. A lot of cool shit in religion is ripe for the picking for entertainment purposes regardless of whether your for or against it.

>>152579449
>forgot linkrel
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSrxXBWz30M&list=RDmSrxXBWz30M&start_radio=1

>>152576069
It was literally inspired by god himself

>>152576069
Because it's not a religious movie.

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>>152576757
>>152576808
>>152576885
This would make a hell of a movie.

>>152579655
post the other parts plz

>>152576069
It's mediocre at best. People remember the strong animation and a handful of good songs but forget how hard the movie dragged. It just fucking went on and on and on.

>>152576684
The Church used to also be the foremost scientific authority and the largest patron of arts and masons. Kind of came with that level of organization and power.

The Catholic church still tries to keep up but it obviously can't compete with universities, and the American faithful all got swallowed up by self-help seminar cunts masquerading as preachers and that money goes to private jets not the arts.

>>152576330
Carlos...

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Eww, this thread has Gnostics in it.

>>152577404
There is more than one story in Exodus where God is basically the gun-toting psycho girlfriend that Moses has to talk down from killing everyone in the room.

What part of "I am a jealous God" do people not get?

>>152576774
Couldn't it be interpreted as God's actions being the thing that hardened his heart, and not God acting upon him to harden his heart instead?
I'm glad we're having civilized biblical theology in this thread.

>>152578014
By the time the Exodus supposedly occurred, the Pyramids were over a 1,000 years old and the pharaohs they honored were long forgotten.

>>152580443
>Couldn't it be interpreted as God's actions being the thing that hardened his heart, and not God acting upon him to harden his heart instead?
No because he did it again with the kings of canaan. Free will doesn't exist in the bible.

>>152580557
God can just hypnohub people? I didn't think that'd be something in his powerset...

>>152580557
Free will does exist, but only in the sense of being slave to our base desires.

>>152580441
Job is the go-to, and the bear attack god sent against children is a classic, but for my money the pettiest thing is the 40 years wandering the desert.

The story goes that after freeing the slaves in Egypt Moses began to lead them through the desert to the promised land. They had little food and no water and the people were being really needy pricks to Moses and had worked his last nerve. Moses prayed to god "god, we're so thirsty, please grant us some water."
God replies "fine you little bitch, tap this stone and water will flow from it."
Moses, feeling a bit miffed at the situation, strikes the rock hard. It breaks, and water flows for the travelers.
However, god speaks again: "Oy! I said tap not smash you little git! Right, that's it, no milk and honey for you Moses! You're gonna lead these people through the desert for 40 years and they'll find the holy land when you fuckin' drop dead."

>>152580557
God only hardens the heart of (withholding grace from) those who already persistently choose to disobey him.
>>152580578
Accepting and following God is also free will.

>>152580714
The 40 years was because of the golden calf. The incident with the rock was the excuse God used to let Moses die in the desert. Imagine letting your chosen one die without living a single day in the promise land.

>>152580741
Nice fanfic

>>152576069
Without the literal years of brainwashing christianity did to people, it's actually a rather rather poor story. The animation wasn't too bad, but that doesn't affect the story content.

>>152580795
Actually IIRC it was something about them not murdering a bunch of spies?

>>152576495
Go back

>>152580795
>be God's chosen one
>still disobey him
Moses deserved it.

>>152576228
Every human who died an innocent death gets to chill with God in paradise. He cares about what happens in the physical realm but stopping it would be removing our free will, which he will not do. God doesn't need to feel grief over a death on Earth because he knows they still get a chance to experience a life with him.

As for wandering in the desert, life can exist in the desert. The Jews immediately started worshipping an idol of their own making two seconds after being freed, so they should feel so lucky that God isn't so vengeful that he didn't just wipe them out then and there.

>>152576069
It’s almost like subject matter is completely separate from quality.

>>152581039
>getting snatched from your family to live with the unknown entity that cut your life short
I dunno, that sounds kinda freaky. I doubt those egyptian kids were particularly comforted.

>>152576228
>Now they have to walk the desert for 40 years
I just assume that doesn't happen in this version. The movie makes it seem like a happy ending

>>152576069
Movie's got a lot of good scenes and a bunch others that just annoy me. The first time we see Rameses and Moses racing just feels like a very cheesy Disney introduction to our hero right after having an intense opening, I don't like that Aaron is basically gone from the story, a couple of songs suck and I don't like the high priests being a mix of threatening and comic reliefs.

I just think this movie have a few too many "Disneyisms" that keep it from being a great animated telling of Moses story vs. "a cartoon movie", if that makes sense.

>>152576142
plus it doesn't shy away from the coolest aspect of the story that the plagues are a battle of gods.

>>152581097
What were kids supposed to do in ancient Egypt? They didn't even have video games. I would prefer to go to Heaven.

>>152581097
>with the unknown entity that cut your life short
That unknown entity created you and the universe you inhabited to begin with. Your will is your own but you quite literally owe your life to him. God giveth and God taketh away.

Also if you go by many real world near-death experiences, he's pretty accommodating to the transition.

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>molloch schizos
>christ was actually satan
I just wanted to talk about fuckable egyptian women not this pseudo-religious schizophrenic bullshit

>>152581199
>created you and the universe you inhabited to begin with
El did it. Yhwh was just one of his retarded kids.

>>152581250
This fanfic sucks.

>>152581039
The afterlife didn't exist in the old testament.

>>152581039
Being eternally content and happy would require a bit of a lobotomy anyway. The you in heaven isn't really going to be the same you that lived on Earth.

>>152581204
You get what you fucking deserve

>>152576228
there is a reason why gnostism came up in history due to the interpretation of 2 gods using the same name.

>>152576142
>Moses just wanted help freeing his people, he didn't want a fucking genocide
This is the thing that really makes Prince of Egypt stand out the most to me. All other adaptations show Moses being solemn but ultimately supporting the plagues, but this Moses is actually a good man and realizes too late that asking God for help was probably a huge mistake simply because of the destruction and death that "God's wonders" were inflicting on Egypt. By the end, him asking Rameses to let his people go was him basically begging his former brother to help him stop the nightmare he unwittingly put into motion.

>>152581438
That's a philosophical debate. The you at 5 years old isn't the same "you" at 55.

>>152581438
Yeah you would be better.

Some of you dumb niggers are spouting random ass shit

YHVH was not viewed as a "fire" god by other nations. Fire symbolism is the whole core of Luciferism in all of mythology and philosophically which rivals YHVH.

Water God. Since the flood. Moses and the water. Fertility with Mana. The only thing linked to in the time for people to view him close to fire was when the sun stayed still during warfare, the plagues (which are MOSTLY WATER BASED), and the burning bush, which fueled his perception of being a war god in general. With other nations viewing inwards, it looked as if there was more water symbolism than anything else, this is also due to how water was viewed differently as some pure energy that came from chaos.

Hell, the main reason why he got linked to Ba'alism was due to how similar they were as water gods with how they were worshipped leading up to Jezebel. Even way before this, around Abraham's time, Ba'al and Asherah worship was actively trying to merge with the idea of YHVH before YHVH had a name to be called. The only reason why Ba'alism didn't get fully merged with YHVH worship was due to Elijah. We litterarly have shit before Jeremiah showing Asherah worship was attempted to be merged with Hebrewism at the time. Even other Gods like Dionysus that people attempted to merge with YHVH worship have a baseline of WATER. Everything else for association with a sun/fire god worship was during the gnostic times, and they believe YHVH are two separate entities as justification for how gods were viewed/written.

You know what was associated with the sun/light? Satan/Lucifer. Due to the "liberation" of deities like Prometheus and such, who has no records of attempting to be merged with hebrewism/YHVHism. Since they are separate belief chains which have different roots.

Not only is it ignorant to say Ba'al or YHVH are "fire gods." It's functionally retarded. You are retarded.


TL:DR: You are stupid. Shut the fuck up with your ignorant asses. WATER!!!!

>>152576330
Fuck!

>>152576142
Something people don't always understand is that what God does isn't always good, but it is always right. Was it good for him to kill the firstborn of Egypt? No. Was it right? Yes, for like you said, it was the complete and total nuclear option that had to be done.

>>152583659
eh

>>152581501
and you being in heaven as a 5 year old means what? you're eternally a child? Ironically, that sounds pretty hellish

>>152579655
Unfortunately there are no other parts.

>>152584205
Oops, was meant for >>152580204.

>>152583898
Eternal childhood with no suffering doesn't very hellish to me.

>>152576774
What doesn't hardening a heart even mean. In ancient times the heart was associated with the soul which was associated with the mind.

>>152576069

This movie is highly satanic because it has JEWS

>>152585298
based

>>152583659
How was it right? Couldn't he have just moved the Jews out of Egypt without killing anyone? Yes, but he chose to kill instead.
Evil is always a choice.

>>152584269
>eternal stagnation

>>152576069
It isn't, Jewish propaganda os not good
>>152576142
>it's good because it isn't accurate to the text
Huh

>>152583659
>Something people don't always understand is that what God does isn't always good, but it is always right. Was it good for him to kill the firstborn of Egypt? No. Was it right? Yes, for like you said, it was the complete and total nuclear option that had to be done.
Considering the actual reason it has to be done was purely as a showpiece for God to show how he was better than the Egyptian gods, and that he has to harden Pharaoh just so the guy wouldn't ruin his big show, it was not some Nuclear option that was "needed"
God just wanted a stage for his big show.

The Bible makes for interesting stories if you treat it like mythology as we do to ancient Greek tales. The issue is you need some degree of abstraction to do that and most Christians aren't capable (or willing) to do it.

>>152585298
Anon the first form of Christians were Jewish Christians

>>152585867
Christians are Jews too

>>152585939
Jesus was a Jew too.

>>152583898
There's no teaching on that.

>>152580714
Also 40 years is way too short. Most discontents would've been young men at the time of the exodus so by the end of the wandering they'd be old not dead. Should be 100 like Childhood's End, enough time so everyone currently alive has only known the current situation
Stupid story

>>152585867
>>152585939
>>152585947
It's Jews all the way down. Atoms are just really really really small Jews.

>>152586138
Aging living in the desert is rough.

>>152576842
I seriously struggle to think of things actually more British than this.

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>>152576069
Could Moses beat Atem in a duel?

>>152581741
Fire and water are the same thing

>>152586403
No. The jew god (Zorc) lost to Atem.

>>152583659
This.
God isn't just about "goodness" in the retarded leftist, way, he's also about "goodness" in that he embodies the correct workings of the universe.
A spider eating a butterfly is also part of God's plan because some things are just inherent consequences of how the world functions.
Leftist atheist think God is a wizard and philosopher, but in reality God's plan is eldritch, beyond our understanding, and in many facets you could look at him more similar to a mechanic. Some "bad" things happen just because they have to happen. End of story. This is the point of the story of Job; God's rewards aren't necessarily rewards, and his punishments aren't necessarily punishments. Some things are just natural consequences of how the universe is supposed to properly function, and it's the human mind that adds a moral vector to it, not God.
>>152576228
God doesn't owe humans shit. The premise of any abrahamic religion is that humans are inherently evil and we deserve to suffer in the hell of our own creation. God doesn't harm humans, humans harm themselves because we're evil and retarded. God doesn't send us to hell, we create hell for ourselves. Blaming God for it is narcissism. God, through Jesus and other events, has tried to show us a better way, but we resist because we're entitled and cunty.

>>152585288
The Greek used can mean to fortify, or to worsen, so maybe both.

>>152586565
>All this cope

>>152586653
>"Um, your religion isn't the strawman I invented in my head, so you're lying to me."
Pearls before the swine. You're too up your own ass to be reasoned with.

>>152586240
Its all Jewjewtsu energy.

>>152586417
fertility and such was almost never associated with fire deities unless the cult was near a volcano. baseline all of creation is associated with god, but I'm more talking about the perspective of other nations who worshipped other gods viewing YHVH and the hebrews and how they reacted with attempting to merge/assimilate.

>>152581741
To worship a crummy God of water? They should have been worshipping Luciferian creatures!

>>152586839
That makes sense, and brings to mind ritual bathing, baptism

Awful lot of edgies in here

>>152586871
There is a bunch of water symbolism in general in the bible starting with the flood, and it makes Moses's claiming he "made the water flow" much bigger of a transgression due to how important water is in terms of the religious text at the time being mostly based around the flood/water.

>>152586897
Makes sense, YHWH is pretty edgy himself.

This thread is like looking at a time capsule from 2005
May the Lord our God bless and guide you all Anons, and may He give you peace.
His will be done.

How come threads about this movie get filled with contrarian white boys who can't help themselves and always start religious debates?

>>152586565
Points for actually understanding the Christian conception of "goodness" (ie, "anything that God wants is Good and anything that he doesn't is Evil, qed"), but what the fuck does any of this have to do with "leftism"? Are you brain damaged?

>>152587133
>This thread is like looking at a time capsule from 2005
So better than usual, you mean? Perhaps things are healing.

>>152587215
OP literally invited it with the implication religious movies couldn't be good by way of being religious. We've had plenty of decent Prince of Egypt threads.

>>152587215
OP started it when he said "
why is this religious movie so good"

>>152586999
like airt I was thinking about perceptions of external cultures of the worship moreso than mythological symbols, mikveh were a strongly associated visible Jewish cultural marker

>>152587469
Wouldnt call it better per say, maybe for overall life quality, but things do seems to be healing.
Many more are aware of the evil in the world, and I hope they know that the Lord loves them and that they can take comfort knowing one day things will be set right.

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>>152576228
>just went thru the whole rigamarole of the Plagues, parting of the Sea and whatnot, showcasing the awe and majesty of YHWH
>Moses heads off alone for a moment with God for like five, ten minutes tops
>comes back to find everyone going full JEHOVAH IS DEAD GOLDEN CALF FOREVER BITCHEEEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!
In fairness to God, I'd be pretty miffed too if my chosen people effectively gave me the finger mere minutes after freeing them from bondage

>>152585939
Christianity is kind of a meta-religion constructed out of whatever beliefs it needed to borrow over time. Ostensibly, it is built off of Jewish traditions, but Christians also worship Odin in all but name. Then there's the Egyptian myths that were copied and thrown in. Some they added in later and didn't even bother changing the name, like the worship of the goddess of fertility that Christians all celebrate every spring.
Modern Islam, for comparison, is far closer to its shared Jewish roots than modern Christianity.

>>152587861
The Kaaba is a pagan temple and Muslims worship the Black Stone.

>>152587965
Yeah, It's not a complete 1-to-1, but in terms of things like family roles and laws and such, they're more old-testament than just about anyone else now.

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>>152586403
No, but Moses kicks his ass at Beyblade

>>152576069
Religious art is inspired

>>152587215
Religious debates are more interesting.

>>152576069
Is it?

>>152576069
Faith proves to be very inspirational.

>>152576757
El was already losing his place in the late Bronze Age. His displacement as chief god is the subject of the Baal Cycle. The Baal cycle also marginalizes most of the minor Canaanite gods by having Baal and his sister Anat kill them, so the winnowing of the pantheon and the rise of henotheism seems to already be underway by the time of the Bronze Age collapse. But Baal was from northern Canaan, and southern Canaanites like the Hebrews resented the influence of his cult because it was connected to the north and siphoned money and prestige away to the northern cultic centers. That's where YHWH came in and was merged with El and Baal to become a new patron deity for the south. Educated Greeks were slowly moving away from polytheism as well during this same period, so the only unusual thing about YHWH was how vehement his cult eventually became.

>>152585543
So? You're in paradise.

>>152576709
God did this for the whole point of showing his power so the jews could have proof of his divinity and to punish the Pharoah.
Then in one generation the jew forgot this and even the parting the red sea and went into sin and God punished them
He goes on to do this several times until some rightwous leader comes along and makes them win wars and rebuilds their temples
Basically if God chose you, you better not mess around and go against him
A God who is jealous and wrathful who has proven himself multiple times should expect everyone to fall in line but it always falls apart due to sin.
Its basically showing the cycle of sin ruining a people
Remember this were supposed to be about those stupid and angry people as everyone was back then which meant staying with God was insanely hard

>>152576330
>tfw
I kekked

>>152576228
They have to walk the desert for 40 years because they keep denying God. Helps them survive with mana and quail and then they start worshipping a golden calf when Moses has to dip to get the 10 Commandments, I'd be pretty pissed too.

>>152586565
Sounds like god is entitled and cunty actually. Maybe he has a right to be. He's still a prick.

>>152594816
>A God who is jealous and wrathful who has proven himself multiple times should expect everyone to fall in line but it always falls apart due to sin.
So power entitles him to obedience and when he doesn’t get it and lashes out, it’s actually the stupid angry people who annoyed him who are to blame. I get why they wouldn’t consider that a moral authority.