What is the Spider-Man story people who don't want Peter's life to be completely miserable want right now?
>>152578071Because the Spider-Man editorial has been run by divorced incels for so long.
>>152578071You say that you want Peter to be happy, but what would you do if Marvel actually gave you what you want? What would you do if you were actually satisfied? Would you have any reason to keep reading?
>>152578071the only thing i see in this picture is an optimal situation.
>>152578071Because Marvel is run by liberals who hate Peter Parker for being an icky straight White male and want to permanently replace him with Miles Morales. Everything they have done to emasculate and humiliate Peter Parker has been done to prop-up Miles.Even Kevin Feige wanted to kill off Tom Holland Peter and replace him with Miles. But Sony told him no because they didn’t want a live-action Miles taking away from their Animated Miles.
>>152578071I understand wanting Peter and MJ to get back together but Black Cat has never worked out. She's always the side chick and friend with benefits. And a threesome is even more unlikely. At best it'd be a birthday present for Peter. A one and done thing. Which would require Peter and MJ to be a couple again. And if all of that did happen, I have a feeling that wouldn't be enough for the really desperate spiderfags. Because they want Peter to have constant threesomes and be the alpha chad that always wins with ease and everyone loves him because that's obviously how it's always been and not the complete opposite through the years.
>>152578141This >>152578254Not
>>152578071I hate ESLs.
>>152578277There's no need to go from one power fantasy wank of king holdsback-man to power fantasy wank of massive harem onepunch-man but some things need to be done
>>152578254Nah. Miles has less continuity than Peter does, so it would make sense for newer (re: last 15 years or so) readers to be attached to him. I prefer Peter. The problems with Marvel editorial have nothing to do with their being liberal (which is a silly assertion, honestly) and everything to do with their incompetence. Marvel needs to end up close to filing bankruptcy to get their shit together long-term. They won't be thanks to the media empire the movies have created. Sadly, Peter and Spider-Man as a whole will always suffer for it.
>>152578071Why are casuals such brain-dead sheep? They hear actual comic readers say something and repeat it ad-infinitum with no context. Spider-Man’s life is miserable. He doesn’t always win, he isn’t always happy. It’s part of the fucking theme song, “wealth and fame, he’s ignored, action is his reward”. That’s not to say the last decade of comics haven’t been abysmal shit, but they’re bad because he’s written like a retarded manchild, his supporting cast is shrinking, his villains lose whatever complexity they may have once had, and continual synergy to random adaptations.
>>152578448>>152578277>>152578071I'm not a casual I have many many Marvel Comics while I'm talking about him being miserable is him having to deal with the Paul nonsense a guy who is treated like he's so perfect but who legitimately should have died for what he did to his planet Earth and them feeding Peter like something crazy ex who just got out of jail when he showed up and MJ had Paul and two kids.
>>152578277I don't want or need Peter to have a perfect life. The problem is that writers have made him a loser, not just a guy whose superhero life gets him in trouble.
>>152578667Well yeah anyone would agree that the entire thing is weird. The second he touched down on Earth he should've gotten a boot to the face from Steve as he starts going on about petty tyrants and 'Never Again'.
>>152578071picrel is Peter's ideal ending.
>>152579165>0 comics read >30 Tracy Scops porn parodies read No, catnigger
>>152578254/thread
>>152579165Indeed. But it's clear the editorial doesn't like their readers>>152579175I mean, let's be fair here, you could take any of the many girls Peter that are friends with Peter, and write something decent or even good. For example, I liked Debra and she was pretty good too in the 90s tv show, just like Felicia. But the editorial and writers are usually looking to spark controversy and anger, which being fair here too, it's not exclusive of Spider-Man comics.
>>152578071>>152579387Give Spider-Man a cute little kid he needs to watch over because of someone's weird cloning process so he technically now has a child.
>>152579410>Clone Saga 7: Wrath of the Spiderling What are we doing here man……
>>152579165always and forever
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>>152579165>>152579590
>>152580012>>152579613>>152579590>>152579165Given how aweful MJ has been treated for the past 20 years by the BND crew, how terrible the Wells run was to her and how it Glazed Black Cat, I can understand people prefering this ship.Doesnt change the fact that you are all sheep eating shit.
>>152578254Just bring back Deku or Static to kill Peter Darker again but this time canonically.
>>152580965Funny, since Ben was created to replace Peter and to get around paying the Ditko estate just like Miles was.
>>152578071Peter is a cuck
>>152580012 >>152579590>>152579165omega-tier based
>>152578141By definition an incel cannot be divorced.It's better to love and lose than to never have been loved at all. Peter gets dates and is objectively not an incel. People who project that he's a loser who gained game with his powers for the fantasy never read the comic
>>152579590>>152579613Every other Spider gets to have fun except for Peter
Sometimes i feel you guys only like Peter so you can self insert as him.
>>152584337Is that not while Miles has been shilled for nearly a decade?"He's literally me" for blacks while Mexicans only want to identify with Peter
>>152578392What was wrong with the suit he asked for?
>>152584337I always liked Peter. But that was because he was a screwup that was still trying to do the right thing the majority of the time. I don’t need him to be like permanently happy, I’d just like the writers to find less retarded plot devices to keep him down. His love life falling apart because he had to keep putting Spider-man duties before of his social life makes sense. Him sacrificing his marriage to Satan after literally everyone he knows saying to not doesn’t.
>>152584937MJ told him to do it, probably to maintain her image and let them continue to whore her out on variant covers
>>152579590Why would SpiderGwen care, it's not her Peter.
>>152584980Spider-Gwen didn't even like Peter romantically.She went on to say "He follows me around like a sad puppy" like he's an incel and she just felt bad for him. She saw him as a loser and while he was friends with her, she didn't reciprocate his feelings the way 616 Gwen did
>>152584337Give it a rest Jamal, you're even trying to self-insert into us.
>>152585218Who Jamal?
>>152578203I don't know if he would. He may just end up calling it "boring".I remember getting good reactions to my old pitch for what I called "Spider-Man: Minus One", the whole concept behind it was an "Anti-Brand-New-Day" where the changes Peter tried to prevent or undo are now present from the very beginning
>>152579613Boobs.
>>152578392>>152578277Its honestly jarring how Spider-man is treated as inspirational despite how he is treated in his own comics. Its like Marvel is chasing two bunnies where they want Peter to be this eternal loser and their equivalent to Superman. Neither of those were intended in the early days (or at least that's how I feel it) so its double weird.
>>152580137The way that I see it, with the direction that Marvel has decided it wants to go having Felicia as the love interest instead of MJ just works better now. MJ was a good love interest for the 'secret identity' era of comics. It gave meaning to Peter having to find a balance between his normal life and being Spiderman. We got the payoff of them getting together despite the challenges, getting married, even having a family together. Everything that *could* be done with the Peter x MJ trajectory *has* been done. And then it was undone. And its pretty fucking clear that Marvel will never give it back.So what do we have now? We haven't had secret identities matter for most heroes for a long time. Characters are in cape-mode pretty much fulltime now, the story treating those as if they were their real identities as often as not. MJ's role anchoring Peter to his normal life wouldn't *work* anymore even if it was on the table, which it isn't and never will be again.
>>152586106So if the MJ dynamic doesn't work anymore, what does?Enter Felecia. Replaces the 'will they won't they' of the normal vs super dynamic that MJ had with a 'will they won't they' based on Felicia's criminal past and impulses. Keeps the readers engaged with the always-on superhero storytelling that Marvel insists on doing now by having ot work alongside Peter as Spiderman instead of against it. Importantly, its an arc that has legs even after you get to the point of them being in a relationship and getting past the "I don't know if I can trust her" part of the relationship arc, because while Felicia can be swayed into doing hero stuff alongside Peter her REASON for doing hero stuff will always be for the thrill of it, as opposed to Peter's own moral and guilt driven reasons. This creates friction, which is good for stories. And Felicia brings her own set of skills to the partnership that lets her do things that Peter can't. Spiderman will always be the better fighter, but Felicia's past as an extremely successful burglar and con artist means that she can infiltrate, avoid detection, and gather information in ways that Peter cannot. It allows her to get her kicks doing theify stuff while supporting the story and feeding Peter resources and information, and creates a natural dynamic of > Black Cat goes in to the bad guy HQ to get the info/steal something important to their plan out from under their nose> gets caught> Spiderman has to rescue herWhich is still a damsel in distress plot, but which is much more organic than "Doc Ock attacked the city bank, and of the hundreds of people he could have taken hostage of the street he happened to pick MJ! For the 47th time!"
MJ will always work. It doesn't matter that she's a civvie, she used to be really well connected in the super hero community already elevating her status.Marvel could've easily used that to wring out any kind of story with her like going to the other ladies for help and advice or finding out about various super hero situations and giving Peter stuff to check out/follow up on. Then there's just the basics of still having a secret identity and the woes that brings.You are as limited in writing the story you want as you believe you are.
>>152578071I just think it's funny that Spectacular Spiderman was the closest we ever got to an Spiderman Harem Anime
>>152586219>Then there's just the basics of still having a secret identity and the woes that brings.No one cares about that anymore, anon. No one has cared about that in like 20 fucking years. You have to let the Lone Ranger go. Nobody listens to cowboy radio shows anymore.
>>152578254>>152580965Miles makes tons of sense if you look at Peter as the post-modern Just Man
>>152586106that's a great decision if true. in fact it's the best decision.but i want to see marvel commit instead of just teasing with greatness.
>>152578071Marvel literally just ended that book on Wednesday at issue #24 after sales fell off a cliff a year earlier.Spider-Man fans DEMAND depression porn.
>>152586170Here's the fundamental problem of OMD. For Marvel, it wasn't about MJ and what she brought to the relationship, the problem was Peter being in a committed, long-term relationship at all. So now, with any relationship, it isn't "will they, won't they," it's "how long will editorial let it last?" No love interest can be allowed to become too established and the readers know that. There's no reason to get too invested.Best Felicia fans are going to get is Peter fucking her for a couple months before he says, "We're just too different, it's not working out."
>>152588023should just go back to when he was dating MJ and Felicia in the 80's. each does their own thing on the side while Peter teams up with either to take down a villain.
>>152578392>Spider-man is so terrified that the Vulture is going to kill him that he desperately begs Norman Osborn for helpEven ignoring how this comes across as a humiliation ritual, it makes no sense and comes across as downright heretical
>>152588304I fucking love it, man. This is the same Vulture that Peter beat because he flew into a glass door and knocked himself out during a chase.Every time I see that image of him crying for help I laugh.
>>152578071Here’s a clear, concise summary of the main points from the page you’re viewing, based solely on the content provided.Summary of the Discussion ThreadThe thread is a long, chaotic 4chan conversation about whether Peter Parker (Spider-Man) should be allowed happiness in modern Marvel comics. The posts cover several recurring themes:1. Frustration with Marvel EditorialMany posters argue that:Marvel deliberately keeps Peter miserable.Editorial decisions since One More Day (OMD) have permanently sabotaged his character arc.Writers lean into “depression porn” because they think a happy Peter is “boring.”Some blame incompetence; others blame ideological motives; others blame a desire to maintain perpetual drama.2. Debate Over Peter’s Love LifeThis is the most active topic in the thread.MJ vs. Black CatSome argue MJ no longer works in the modern “always-on superhero” storytelling model.Others insist MJ always works and Marvel simply refuses to write her well.Several posters argue that Felicia Hardy (Black Cat) fits better now because:She can operate in Peter’s superhero world.Her criminal background creates natural tension.She brings skills Peter lacks (stealth, infiltration).Others counter that Marvel will never allow any stable relationship again, so the debate is moot.Harem jokes / 80s nostalgiaSome reference the 80s era where Peter dated both MJ and Felicia.Others mock the idea of Peter as a “chad” with constant threesomes.1.3
>>152589149Harem jokes / 80s nostalgiaSome reference the 80s era where Peter dated both MJ and Felicia.Others mock the idea of Peter as a “chad” with constant threesomes.3. Miles Morales vs. Peter ParkerA recurring argument:Some posters claim Marvel is sidelining Peter to promote Miles.Others reject this, saying the issue is editorial mismanagement, not politics.A few posts veer into inflammatory or racist territory (typical for 4chan).4. Complaints About Recent StorylinesUsers criticize:The “Paul” storyline involving MJ and alternate-universe kids.Peter being written as a loser or manchild.Villains losing depth.Overreliance on synergy with movies and other media.Humiliating moments like Peter begging Norman Osborn for help.5. Broader ThemesAcross the thread, posters express:A desire for Peter to struggle but not be pathetic.Frustration that Marvel refuses to let him grow up.Nostalgia for eras where Peter had a job, a marriage, or meaningful character development.Cynicism that Marvel will undo any progress to maintain the “status quo.”6. Occasional Humor and MemesAs expected for /co/:Posters share reaction images, porn parody jokes, and insults.Some mock each other for self-inserting into Peter.Others joke about clone saga sequels or absurd plot twists.If you want, I can also:Pull out key quotesCreate a more structured breakdown (e.g., themes, factions, arguments)Summarize only the MJ vs. Felicia debateExtract storytelling insights you can use for your own writingJust tell me what direction you want to explore next.2..2
>>152585512That's kind of my point. Give people jam today and they'll just sit and eat it, but the promise of jam tomorrow will keep them going forever.
>>152587890>Marvel literally just ended that book on Wednesday at issue #24You're going to need to be specific about what do you mean they just ended that book the app image is a porn parody comic.
>>152589149>>152589163I hate Chatgpt
>>152589282Why?
>>152586219>he used to be really well connected in the super hero community already elevating her status.I hate this. This imply every character must "connected" to capes in order to have value.
>>152578071>Peter Parker's should have happiness You know I got a bit of an idea what about someone like JJJ or someone else he's connected to ask Peter Parker not Spider-Man to help them when they have a family relative turn out to be a mutant and they want to responsible second-hand opinion on the mutant School to help evaluate should we send mutant relative over to it.And Spider-Man is thinking great the last thing I want them to do is read my mind and find out wait a second this guy here it's Spider-Man.And over the course of the story arc somehow it ends up with Peter Parker having a job teaching science at the X-Men School.
>>152589393only if Gwen Stacy’s black ex-boyfriend makes an appearance
>>152587890>make mainline book shit >wow you dumb pigs sure like slop, let’s keep churning out the slopDumb fucking Marvel shill, Spider-Man could get Kamala Khan pregnant and people would still buy it
>>152589458Didn't seem to work on the shitty show.
>>152589437>Gwen Stacy’s black ex-boyfriend makes an appearanceAre you talking about miles and why?
>>152589458I think she was actually dating the black Spider-Man Miles Morales for a bit .>>152589465What do you mean?
>>1525894962017 show flirted with the idea.
>>152589534That you were never in any sort of relationship it was just undercover superhero work.And yes I watched the episode where they did that.
>>152589465I’m not saying Kamala Khan fans would pick up the book, I’m saying you could make Spider-Man knock up a teenager and it wouldn’t impact sales
>>152586106MJ isn't a civilian anymore. She wasnt a civilian in renew your vows either. But being a civilion is fine. Saying there is no where else to go with MJ and Peter is idiotic. PP having a life outside of Spider- Man is fundemental to the character and the genre. making everyone a hero isnt about telling interesting stories, its about merch. You guys just swallowed whatever Wells shoved in your mouth and asked for more.>>152586170This sounds like something they've done several times before with Black Cat fucking off again.
>>152589569My condolences. It happened anyway, wiki is filled with poor english shipping babble, quite disgusting.>>152589582>I’m not saying Kamala Khan fans would pick up the bookThey don't exist after all.>I’m saying you could make Spider-Man knock up a teenager and it wouldn’t impact salesWell, don't let Byrne hear you.
>>152578071The best black cat mj peter story was when MJ grew a penis becuase of fertility drugs given to her by Reed. The only way to get rid of the penis is for MJ to ejaculate. Peter refuses to jerk her off, suck her off or be sodomized. So he calls black cat in to do the deed, and because she is a filthy whore, gladly accepts. Would it be gay to jerk your wife off if she grew a penis?
>>152589609the wikis for the last 2 Spider-Man shows have been barren. The 2017 one is truly batshit, Miles’ dad becomes the show’s version of Swarm, Jackal, famous for wanting to fuck Gwen, is now her uncle instead, and Green Goblin comes about from Jackal juice and the venom symbiote, or something, as a reskinned Slott Red Goblin
>>152586450This is where they started to shit on Mj again and prop up Felicia.
>>152578203I bought every spider-man comic for an entire decade while he was married & happy before omd and nothing since omd
>>152589697Yes, it's gay to jerk off your wife's cock.Did MJ get Felicia pregnant or what?
>>152589697He should be jerking off both his wives cocksNow link it
Bump
>>152589697Go on.
>>152589164This would be an insightful observation if this strategy actually worked.
>>152589809nobody else is a factor anon.PeterFel are GOAT on their own.
>>152591884it works because it still gets sales
>>152589569There was a later episode during the Superior Spider-Man arc where Kamala wonders why Spider-Man is acting "off" since he's usually nice and funny and smart and more...essentially confirming she finds him attractive without knowing it.
>>152589697>The best black cat mj peter story was when MJ grew a penis becuase of fertility drugs given to her by Reed. Are you talking about a porn comic or something that happened in a what if ?
>>152578203Milesfags would say "Let Peter retire and Miles takes his palce!!!!!"
>>152592500If it worked, sales would at least remain steady instead of continuing to decline.
>>152589164I'm saying they should get peanut butter with their jam, that way it's good enough to crave over and over
>>152579165she's a lesbo now, sorry catfaggot
>>152594906>he doesn't knowFelicia is Petersexual
Reject modernityEmbrace tradition
>>152586106>Everything that *could* be done with the Peter x MJ trajectory *has* been done.No, him having science/magical reason to cheat on her HARDHer insisting on nooners in weird places that mess with fighting crimeReed physically but not mentally deages her by accident for a weekAntagonist calls in old favor and crashes on couch for two weeks
>>152589319Because it didn't mention my contributions
>>152595774I wonder if the people who have the run of Marvel today would be at all interested in rebooting MC2. I think there could be some interest among the readership for something like that.
>>152578071How much do they charge to make something like this but it's Paul
>>152595909MC2 done by anyone other than DeFalco would be shit, and it would be made even worse by needing to cram in all the modern garbage we have today
>>152595909I'd rather they work on a clean slate universe with different takes on things
>>152596011Paul is evil.
>>152586450>>152594998peter and felicia together are simply the best
>>152598010Yes, and?
>>152578071FUCK OFF MJ FANS
>>152578071>What is the Spider-Man story people who don't want Peter's life to be completely miserable want right now?give it a rest dumbass it's over
It's OMD for you MJ fan FOREVER
>>152598388It's a bitter pill for most fans to realize Peter was conceived from the ground up to be a buttmonkey always suffering and that you can't really name too many things he likes
Gwen you never should have died so when the dream dies the nightmares begins
>>152598388 >>152598402maryWHOREfags are cringe
>>152598685>maryWHOREfags are cringeWhat?
>>152598126He deserves bad things, not marriage with children.
>>152579165kino kino kino!
>>152600779What?
Spoilers for Death SpiralMJ goes to Flash for advice about Dylan because he moved in with Paul. Flash asks why MJ hasn't talked to Peter about this and says basically Peter told her to fuck off and Flash tells her she needs to be more aggressive and make him listen
>>152601085Go spam elswhere I am sick of people like you.
>>152601101It's what happens in the issue
>>152601085>She has to do things she learned to do years agoI guess
>>152601131Provide proof suck as leaks or piss off.
>>152601085Paul.Fucking.WON.He isn’t the stepdad, he’s the dad who stepped up. Based Paul. Based PaulCHADS. God it feels good to be a PaulCHAD. Penis Parker? Shittie Brock? Nobodies in Paul’s light.
>>152601260instagram.. shop owner confirmed
>>152595774
>>152601860kek
Ignoring the dead horse discussion of Peter having stability in his life I want to bring up another point we seldom address: When's the last time we had a meaningful or interesting story with ANY of Parker's rogues?
>>152601085Any romantic bs developing between these two or ars rumors false?
>>152602850You don't need to keep asking holy shit we already know nothing's happening because of Gomez.Kelly even said he wasn't using MJ because editorial has her story locked down for the next year.
>>152601085I'm calling bullshit because why would Dylan move in with Paul when he actively hates that guy?
>>152603312Paul is at least honest, and cares for him upfront instead of hiding things like his other parents
>>152601346Paul is going to come after dylan.
>>152603398He's mad at Venom and MJ
>>152603490Why?
>>152585015This is fucking atrocious and no one involved should ever work again
>>152595880Peter should get hit by that deaging ray and wake up 16 with no memory of his adult life. He tells everyone he’s Peter’s nephew and then it’s never mentioned again.
>>152584960You're the laughing joke among demons, Mephisto.
>>152604816Venom went no-contact with Dylan, and let him assume Flash was responsible for choosing Paul and MJ, when it was actually Venom. Dylan endangered himself trying to find Venom, which also pissed him off because he was living in the same house. I don’t think he has any reason to believe MJ cares about him at all, but Paul was dumped and still shows an interest in raising him. Venom and Eddie are terrible parents, Dylan’s series revealed they hid the worst of their crimes from him, on top of Venom previously ditching him back in the Cates run.
>>152601085Nobody cares about her cheating ass. She'll be lucky if Flash takes her after the arc.
>>152606905ESL
>>152606905They decided to stay as friends Flash was weirded out for MJ telling him anything and why she's not talking to Peter instead
>>152578071I prefer Spidey/Cat, but for more pragmatic reasonsBetter survivability and mobilityJust like picrelated
>>152608401Relationships aren’t fucking Death Battle. Is Invincible the only comic you’ve ever read?
>>152578071Kelly and Larraz any good? Saw the comics at a store and wanted to know if buying them is worth it.
>>152608736Kelly is just doing Reddit-Man again, Larraz can't draw Spider-Man to save his life.
>>152608736It's a step up from Wells' run. Basically Superior + Molten Man with a dash of GoTG
Why are all Spider-man space/magic stories so trash? With the exception of the graphic novels.
>>152608152They should Have Felicia and Flash hang out again. Not to hook up, but just to see where it goes.
>>152601346So… Paul really is raping Dylan! He set up the perfect scenario to rape that kid!
>>152601346>>152609426dude you rape kids
>>152609437This is Destiny! Us Paul fans have been pulling for it for a long time!
>>152578141You self inserting fags are legitimately in the same tier.
>>152609447>oh how wholesome, my favorite character Paul is bonding with that Dylan kid! Maybe this’ll set up a heroic moment redeeming Paul’s legacy!>w-whats this? People are MEMEING on Paul? They’re joking about him being a groomer!?No! Noooooo!
Interview P5Kelly teases big changes coming down the road https://aiptcomics.com/2026/02/24/joe-kelly-amazing-spider-man-death-spiral-part-5/
>>152609586>Kelly teases big changes coming down the roadI am sure excited...
>>152609586Big change? yeah, right.
>Peter comes back from his vacation in space to get punched in the gut, stabbed in the back and stomped in the balls>AgainFun
>>152609639>has a fat cockdoes any of that even matter when hes packing a hog?
>>152609639Ah, but this time symbioteshit is tagging along. Don't you kids love symbiotes? The 90s never ends (except for the things you want)!
>>152608736Nah, it sucks.
>>152609586Let me guess, after Death Spiral, we're going to get a "back to basics" arc where Spider-Man fights a classic villain and dates a forgettable bitch who will become a weird footnote in 2 years.
>>152610135No he actually stays bonded to Carnage and becomes a cannibalistic serial killer
Oh man it just dawned on meThe past 20yrs make sense with all the shit Peter is going through as it's constant attacks on Peter's life that make him run further into the mask of Spider-Man of which has subsumed his life in near-totality Editorial is slowly showing that his dual identity can't work and Peter needs to go so only Spider-Man remains
