>"Fuck you joe quesada!"
>>152587465Rich Evans is an American!
>>152587486Rich Evans is *THE* American!
>over half the video was them talking about Spiderman 2 and 3Glorious Though fact that they rated Spiderman 1 that low is still baffling to me but to each their own
>>152587526Seeing rich loredump to jay the plot to OMD was genuinely surreal cuz seeing /co/ discourse on my favorite youtube channel was a fusion i didnt expect today
>they humanize [woman] too much for me what did Jay mean by this
>>152587526It’s like rating all the fine cuisine at a five star restaurant - good stuff is still gonna end up at the bottom.
>>152587544I havent seen drag me to hell yet (but i probably will soon) but send help was great to me BECAUSE they humanized rachael mcadams character so much so the violence and shenanigans were funnier then
>even a normalfag like Jay hates what they did to Wandalol
>>152587544You make the character too likeable that he find the violence less fun when it happen to the character you like
>>152587627Everyone loves Wanda she's gorgeous
>>152587544Women aren't human Bill. Or perhaps, more precisely, they're a different species than men with different wills and different purposes on Earth. You know this instinctively Bill, and it's your instincts that make you such a good operative.
>>152587526I mean I kind of agree that it's overrated and obviously not as good as 2 but I can't imagine putting it below 3. That's crossing the line.
>>152587526what video? is this new?
>>152587873Here you go fampaihttps://youtu.be/mzFMJgWklz4?si=9Zy_TQ_jA1CI1Jlf
What is it with Ricks
>>152587465>is covered in crumbs through the whole video
>>152587966That means hes one of us
>>152587543It was like rich talking about classic tmnt years back and explaining how stupid it gets.
>>152587560If you don't like Justin Long, then I'm sorry. He sucks in it.
>>152587801I don't agree but I get it, Spider-Man 3 has higher highs but lower lows than the first movie. Also for people that enjoy it purely as a Raimi film it has more pure Raimi in it even if the overall movie is fucked by corporate interference.
>>152587929LMAO, that close up on Jay when Rich accidentally said Spiderman 3 "tells one story"
>>152588334He has more fun with that, I think, because TMNT knew how fucking farcical it is and its few serious and contemplative moments contrast how stupid it is the other 95% of the time.Seeing how retarded comics that take themselves seriously can get is just depressing.
>>152587560>I havent seen drag me to hell yet (but i probably will soon)It's decent. Saw it in the theaters when it came out and enjoyed it, but it doesn't really stick with you, it's just an entertaining hour and a half.
>>152587465Haven't watched the vid. I'm at work. But reading some of the comments also says he clears JMS of responsibility of OMD during his explanation of it? Based. I mean he sucks at writing now but I want squarely all the blame placed on everyone of those motherfuckers of the BND crew and their ilk.
>>152589516That's revisionist history. JMS chose to write the story. He even wanted to go harder on the retcon, removing Gwen's death.
>>152589529JMS didn't choose to write the story. There's evidence that he did it because he was under contract or was forced by Quesada or JMS decided because he wanted to write some actually good prose and script to it, as seen later in the story when they describe the relationship that is being lost. Also JMS himself posted a chart (pic rel) that is the sales of ASM after OMD that got Marvel seething like Nick Lowe and Brevoort I'm pretty sure. Shows to me he didn't want to and thus did it only out of necessity or else he'd be blacklisted. That's not what I consider blameworthy.The Gwen idea was probably him suggesting an idea to sandbag it so fans would be even more mad and to show how fucked of a decision Marvel was making in either case.
>>152589516He rests most of the blame on publishers for constantly demanding a reset to the status quo, but he also blames writers for enabling that shit.
>>152589529>JMS chose to write the story.As they forced him to. He outright says he hates it and it goes against everything the characters stand for.That it was done because new writers passed up ASM because they didn't want to write around Peter being married. Original USM outperforming ASM was what made the decision to finally axe the marriage.JMS even says that he would've rather spent the rest of his life writing the marriage than having to do OMD and seeing the abysmal direction ASM has had since.
>>152589636That's understandable. That's true for most of them including Bendis being the chief example. JMS was one of the few who seemed to get the heart of the character well but didn't care as much about the niche stuff from specific runs or call back to those specifically. JMS is a Raimi-type I feel like where he chooses what he wants to showcase and then keep it completely immersed in that.JMS didn't enable it, he just cleaned up the worst issue to make it sound better and knew it was already decided and his run getting shat on by Civil War is also the tons of straw already there and OMD was the last straw since he was already putting up with that but then suddenly gets even more meddled with.
>>152589634It was part of the deal. He was only allowed to write Mary Jane back into the title if he would also write the marriage out for good. He could have taken a pass on that, did his totem shit, and then get out. Instead he made the choice to do write the stories he did.>Also JMS himself posted a chart (pic rel) that is the sales of ASM after OMD that got Marvel seething like Nick Lowe and Brevoort I'm pretty sure. That was just petty and doesn't tell the whole story. ASM started shipping thrice a month as an experiment to see if that would do better than Amazing plus two "unimportant" Spider-Man ongoings. It lowered the sales of ASM but it did do better overall.>Shows to me he didn't want to and thus did it only out of necessity or else he'd be blacklisted. JMS wasn't some broke freelancing schmuck, he had a successful career in television years before he ever worked for Marvel. Who cares if some podunk comic company blacklists him?>The Gwen idea was probably him suggesting an idea to sandbag it so fans would be even more mad and to show how fucked of a decision Marvel was making in either case.He wanted to do it because he felt bad about Sins Past, a universally-reviled story.
>>152589516>BND crewSorry im not as well versed in the OMD lore as some other anons, who are you referring too?
>>152589744>write out marriage for goodSource?>pettyWhat they did was petty, forcing him to put his name on it when it was Joey Quesadilla who is responsible.That experiment also led to boring as hell disconnected storylines put out by people who didn't really try too hard. Show me any of those stories being worthwhile or as good as any of JMS's issues with as well written scripts.>who cares if comics blacklists himI dunno Disney controls a buncha studios and media so it doesn't help to enrage them. Who knows if Joey Q can just ring up an exec who then rings up other execs. I dunno how this shit works but isn't impossible. Hollywood is cutthroat so they probably wouldn't care if he wrote Babylon 5 if he doesn't follow orders.>GwenOk yeah the more I thought about it yeah he saw it as an opportunity to at least get rid of sins past. I can see him wanting that.>>152589748The set of writers and editors who presided over Spidey during the Brand New Day era. Brevoort, Lowe, Wells, Slott, Akira Yoshida aka CB Cebulski, Guggenheim, etc. Quesada basically toom Brevoort's BND manifesto and used OMD to make it a reality.
>>152589828Can you explain why marvel higher uos were so hell bent to make OMD? Why were they seething at MJ so hard?
>>152587929wtf they're doing Raimi movies? I've gotta catch up
>>152590023There is a dumbass belief that if the hero is married or in a stable relationship, the story is either boring or over. Of course, considering most comic writers can't or won't write a decent romance in the first place, I'm not sure why they fucking care.
>>152590023You ever read Frank Miller's intro to Dark Knight Returns where he talks about how he was having a bit of an identity crisis when he realised he was now as old as Bruce Wayne, and would soon be older than Bruce, and that seemed wrong to him because surely Batman should be older than him, and that's what motivated the story? It's the same psychology of wanting that relationship with the character they had in childhood. Being married and having a family life is not what Peter had when Quesada was a kid, it's too real, it breaks the illusion of the character he grew up with for him. So it had to go. Peter has to be the perenially broke, down on his luck, newspaper reporter, living single in a bad apartment or with Aunt May.
>>152590023>>152590159It also doesn't help Quesada had a recent divorce and Paul showed up right when Wells had his divorce, Slott is an eternal manchild, and Lowe is just some weird soulless husk of a loser.
>>152590119It's been pretty good so far, and the only ones remaining for them to discuss now are:A Simple Plan, The Quick and the Dead, Darkman, Army of Darkness, and Evil Dead 2.
>>152590288Or... radical idea here... heroes need to gradually and gracefully be retired rather than endlessly revived and rebooted until they're a shallow husk of what they were.
>Used to be one of the biggest YT channels in 2019>99% of the Internet hates them nowWhere exactly did everything go wrong?
>>152590333I'm not disagreeing with you, just explaining the logic. I think in Miller's case it works since he intentionally did it as a non-canon exploration of things, vs Quesada just forcing 616 to go with his psychosis
>>152590336>99% of the Internet hates them now99% of the Internet is bots now
>>152590358fair enough
>>152590336I mean I kinda fell off from them because yes...their opinions can seem out of touch or weirdly liberal/forgiving of Disney sometimes but these types of vids are actually pretty good and breezy. Re:Views typically are ok.But yeah they do get samey sometimes.
>>152589828>Source?00s internet doesn't really exist anymore, but this is obvious given that Quesada and Alonso were loud and open about how they hated the idea of a married Spider-Man. She wasn't in the book when JMS came on it. Originally they were going to have Kevin Smith pull the trigger on it, but he was such a flake with the Black Cat and Daredevil minis that they finally agreed to JMS's insistence.>What they did was petty, forcing him to put his name on it when it was Joey Quesadilla who is responsible.It was his story, his writing. And he was the one who agreed to the deal.>how me any of those stories being worthwhile or as good as any of JMS's issues with as well written scripts.I personally liked stories like New Ways to Die, American Son, Mysterioso, and Origin of the Species a lot more than anything JMS ever did. Thought he was a bore over all, a poor fit for Spider-Man.>I dunno Disney controls a buncha studios and media so it doesn't help to enrage themDisney wasn't anywhere near the picture back then. They acquired Marvel in 2009. Iron Man wasn't even in theaters yet when OMD was published.> Brevoort, Lowe, Wells, Slott, Akira Yoshida aka CB Cebulski, Guggenheim, etc.Lowe and Cebulski weren't involved in any way with BND. Quesada was the EiC, Brevoort and Wacker were the editors, and Slott, Guggenheim, Gale, Wells, Kelly, Waid, Van Lente, and some guest spots from Stern were the writers' group.>>152590302>Quesada had a recent divorceNever happened.
>>152587465I disagree with Rich's hate for Tobey Maguire since, despite everything, he's still probably the best Live Action Peter Parker, but you know, FUCK OMD and FUCK Joe Quesada. Rich, MY GOAT, was right to do it.
>>152590336>Where exactly did everything go wrong?Karma for melting down all those vintage star wars action figures
>>152590482I think that Quesada was going through a rough patch in his marriage during OMD and BND. But there have always been people who have hated Peter being married and/or being married to MJ, all the way to before they were married. Whether it's because of Gwen-fans in the Bullpen or because writing a marriage is hard work and cheap, bad writers are easier to come by.At least as far back as Clone Saga, Marvel has been looking for a way to kill the marriage. And if not for Stan Lee and Jim Shooter, would have never had Peter married at all. So while Quesada makes for the perfect fall guy, it's still a Marvel decision that they've wanted to do for a long time.
>>152587465nobody ever mentions Tom Breevort's contributions to the destruction of the character
>>152587801Even though I don't agree with him, saying "That's crossing a line" when his reasoning made sense for him is kinda... uh... stupid? Like did you watch the video? You're looking at it through your point of view not theirs and they're not giving an objective quality rating, it's why they both have different lists to start with and they both consider them valid
>>152591354It would have had to have been a really long rough patch because he became EiC in late 2000, OMD happened in late 2007, he stepped down in early 2010.
>>152591471Whether Quesada was going through a rough patch or not, he was (relatively speaking) in the right place at the right time to do what different editors and writers in Marvel have wanted to do (or tried to do) since the marriage started. So putting the blame on him is ignoring that Marvel has been and still is filled with bad writers who can't write a happy marriage to save their lives. Who are Gwen revisionists or are in love with Gwen nostalgia. Or just don't like MJ as a character but can't get the go-ahead to completely replace her with someone else in the Spidey-verse.
>>152590482>JMS's insistenceOn her being included you mean. Which isn't what I'm talking about where I put the blame of OMD on Quesada. JMS has no blame with that because they would have never brought her back and he did.>divorceOk my bad. I always misremember that and other anons have parroted it that Quesada was getting divorced.>his storyOh so you mean Quesada's story? Yes I agree.>Inb4 anon says I'm playing dumbFaggot you're the one who is playing dumb. As if JMS would just remove all of it after what he wrote. Find me evidence. Otherwise you're retarded.>BND preferred over JMSThank you for providing evidence that you are retarded.>DisneyOk you got me. But the point still stands. Doesn't matter if it was Disney explicitly, execs still have publishing connections. I know you're gonna call me retarded for not checking this shit. But whatever, the point still stands. Having a connection to Disney would've made it easier and if it is not there, he still has some power.>Lowe and CebulskiWell not during the initial stages of BND but they basically became part of the crew later on. There's too many of them and the ones I do mention still follow the shitty ideas of BND. Ok so I flubbed or misremembered shit. But it doesn't change the writing or how bad these faggots are or how boring BND is. Literally no stakes or characters that are likeable except for that one crazy blonde.
>>152590336When they went soft ball on the ST
>>152591382I would say that everybody should go fill up his hat with excrement but then it would just be overflowing with what is already there.>>152590023I also forgot to mention but they hate the consumers and the medium itself. Brevoort sure likes what he considers is good like the silver age shit he shows on his blog but if they actually liked comics they would treat fans and comics better than what they are doing now. Their apathy towards local comic book stores matches their apathy towards the books themselves. They would have cared much more to get Diamond on a stranglehold to do its job but they just let it die while they let comic book stores have shitty distribution schedules killing their enjoyment of their jobs, accelerating their demise and the demise of the DM and comic book fan communities in general. They are the be-all and end-all of faggitude.
>>152590531>I disagree with Rich's hate for Tobey Maguire since, despite everything, he's still probably the best Live Action Peter ParkerIt took Tom Holland some time to get there, but by the end of No Way Home, he earned it. The scene with MJ in the doughnut shop is the classic, true Peter from the comics more than Tobey in any of the Raimi movies (and I still consider Spider-Man 2 the best Spider-Man movie, btw)
>>152591382Brevoort and Cebulski are the cancer killing Marvel comics and need to be expunged, they're worse than Didio was at DC, and look how much DC has bounced back and flourished since cutting the cancer called Didio out from them.
>>152592063Look I just think he's to attractive, like when I see him I think "this kid was bullied in highschool" and more think "this kid was a model". Peter looks hot as an adult but Tom Holland being attractive as a teenager just takes me out of it.
I feel like there's a certain point where after so much time any internet reviewer just sort of immediately stops being interesting. Like it just becomes more and more apparent the longer time goes on that any supposed film buff wasted their chance actually get involved with or make something good. No space cop was not good. Not even intentionally so bad it's good. That's not how that works. In any case there's kind of a world of difference between twenty somethings sitting around complaining and 40 to 50 somethings. They're just too old and sad.
>>152592063Ok then please elucidate on that. What is displaying to you "the true Peter Parker" here? Just the self-sacrificing awkward aspect to Peter? Because that is just but one facet of him and Peter has been shown to be selfish or confident in himself and it paying off in his favor like with MJ in the books. Like a cocky, jerk Peter who still then acts less jerk-y and then finds a middle ground between fair and cocky who also still gets wins in from time to time. If I'm mistaken in my description of what you are seeing in this scene (awkward, self-sacrificing), please let me know.
>>152587465That's what Dick THE Birthday Boy says!
>>152588334Yeah, the interview with Freddie Williams II was great. Loved when they got to the bit where he talks about Splinter's animatronic.
Embarrassing.
>>152592187"Professional" writers just shouldn't be on social media. Let the work speak for itself and stop jumping into the ring. This is what happens when companies like Marvel hire fanboys.
>>152592187>Gets into argument>"It's not my job to figure out your meanings and question you further about what you actually mean or not">Implying he has valuable time that should not be wasted when he was the one who jumped into thisSasuga fatass. Your 4 dimensional thinking is astounding. Very professional.
>whenever you're doing a story with huge ramificationsYeah how about you pace 'em out and let people get attached befofe you yank it away. Oh wait Brevoort you're so greedy and retarded you just want to do it as fast as possible so you can burn down the industry while flying away scott free with the welfare money you conned Disney out of and the retarded stockholm syndrome speculator/collector/gotta have my batman/spider-man money. I thought OMD taught you that you have to have a whole bunch of good writing first that you have to invalidate for outrage to take place. Right now all you're putting out is shit writing...oh and shit art.
>>152592240Now that Spider-Man & Wolverine is getting canceled, I have zero Marvel books on my pull list, it's all DC and Image right now, it's embarrassing how shit Marvel is right now. They can't even do a limited series right (Wolverine Revenge should've been an easy win and it was garbage.) Brevoort and Cebulski need to go yesterday.
>>152592284>isn't shared by the readership as a wholeYeah ok Brevoort...that kinda sounds like an...*snicker*....ABSOLUTE statement huh? Seems kinda unfair to bring that up, huh?>pic relBrevoort just casually drops that retarded statement, denying reality like a tranny and never provides any real counter to the "gotta have my x" argument.
>>152592063Tom Holland is a shit actor, that's the problem with his Peter. They could write anything and it wouldn't work with him, and what they do write is bad anyway.
>>152592301>you seriously think I wouldn't capitalize on easy sales?No but we think you're petty, maladjusted, and incompetent to the point of actively flinging malice towards us.>that I'm lying?At this point, why wouldn't we? >why are we even talking?Brevoort should've realized a long time ago he already played himself letting this argument go on for that long and looking like this much of a jackass on the internet.
Brevoort went to the Slott school of taste and ability to argue online. Or maybe Slott went to the Brevoort school.
>>152587465Is it a hot take to say the death knell of Spiderman was the ending of the Hobgoblin arc decades ago?Yes, OMD has done irreversible damage, but the whole pathetic Ned Leeds fiasco feels like the exact moment everything was going downhill. It was like to Spiderman what Principal and the Pauper was to The Simpsons.
Literal fucking basedjak.
>>152592301how is this fucking guy still employed
>>152591869>Faggot you're the one who is playing dumb. As if JMS would just remove all of it after what he wrote. Find me evidence. Otherwise you're retarded.Like I said that the deal he agreed to ahead of time. They didn't want her in the book at all. They only agreed to let him reunite them because he promised he'd get rid of the marriage. Otherwise she would have stayed in California forever.>Doesn't matter if it was Disney explicitly, execs still have publishing connections. Marvel Comics had absolutely no power or pull with anyone in television or Hollywood.>Well not during the initial stages of BND but they basically became part of the crew later on. After that point it was no longer "BND" just regular Spider-Man.
>>152592075>CebulskiHe's not even that powerful. I never heard anything from him that made me hate him. He's just presiding over a depressing zombified stage of marvel comics.
>>152590531>y the best Live Action Peter Parker,It's Garfield, but his movies were shit.Garfield committed to the Ditko esque snarky asshole who doesn't realize he could steal the bully's girlfriend if he got a clue
>>152592378>agreed to the deal ahead of timeEvidence or it didn't happen. Yeah you said 00's internet doesn't exist anymore but I don't give a fuck. And if that is true, even so, it is still based to bring her back and try to get fans to like her so much that Marvel couldn't simply do what they did. That still led to sales dropping after OMD.>no pull with televisionExplain all the failed TV writers who were put in Marvel (i.e. Bendis). They have miniscule pull but they still have pull. JMS might have been forced by Marvel because even back then he didn't want opportunities gone. You can't possibly know what they were threatening him with so you can't prove what I say or what you said is real. It's a moot point.>it was no longer BNDThey are all still part of the same clique that started at BND you moron. Brevoort, Slott were there and they are sticking around for way too long.Slott really enjoys Dr. Who way more than Spider-Man. What a fag.
>>152592407Garfield's problem was having the wrong look. Peter's handsome, he's not a pretty boy. The idea of that guy being a loner no one liked was silly.
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>>152592433its the hair cutthey gave him way too hip a cut. Needed to tamp it down a bit, but they wanted to do Romita Sr. Peter and Ditko Peter at the same time which is a part of the problem of those movies
>>152587526I totally get it. I've very nostalgic for the movies but I hate love triangle shit so much. Also I rewatched Batman 1989 the other day and fucking hated it. So sometimes it's like your brain rejects shit and you're not even trying to be contrarian. They explained their opinions pretty well and seemed reasonable.
>>152592453Whoa Slott careful with that thinking there. It's almost like a certain people might think that the same also applies to them and their history and being expelled means nothing...
>>152592430>Evidence or it didn't happen.The evidence is right there on the page. You seem to be deliberately refusing to understand cause and effect. JMS couldn't force MJ in the book against the wishes of his editor and editor-in-chief who didn't even want her existence acknowledged. That came about because of their agreement.>it is still based to bring her back and try to get fans to like her so much that Marvel couldn't simply do what they did. What fans say they want has never mattered at all. He held up his end of the bargain and we're nearly at the 20 year anniversary of the event.>Explain all the failed TV writers who were put in Marvel (i.e. Bendis). They have miniscule pull but they still have pull. JMS might have been forced by Marvel because even back then he didn't want opportunities gone. You can't possibly know what they were threatening him with so you can't prove what I say or what you said is real. It's a moot point.TV writers definitely don't have any pull with network and Hollywood executives. Old joke about the actress who was so dumb she slept with the writer.
Spiderman 3 would have been so much better if they made James Franco Venom. >James Franco hates Spiderman >Symbiote hates Spiderman>Wouldnt have to get amnesia and fuck off from the movie >has an arc and gets over it and the Symbiote crawls away to Eddie Brock for future movies >Eddie brock's casting was shit and weird anyways And no I had this idea before the shitty insomniac sequel
>>152592495>Nothing you like matters because someone will change if later Ok thanks fatass I guess
>>152592088You're saying comic Peter isn't meant to be attractive? He's got one of the highest body counts in the entire franchise.
>>152592407>>152592433Sony had the easiest way to handle the Garfield movies and they bungled it like they always do, they could've easily done it like WB did with Batman Forever and Eon does with Bond where you just continue the franchise in a soft reboot with a different lead and consciously make Peter the mid-20's version of Peter from the 80's and 90's, but they had to do the origin bullshit again. Garfield would've been a perfect chance to emulate the 80's and 90's comics and bring in villains from that era.
>>152592503I'm fucking saying that there is no hard documented evidence you are presenting that proves this agreement took place you dense motherfucker. I'm disagreeing with your entire premise. You might even be confusing your whole premise with Spencer's deal with Marvel that fat fuck slott gabbed about on a messageboard like the retard he is.You're just saying the story is evidence and I just presented you with my own pov of that story as evidence to the contrary. Get the fuck over it and move on.>what fans have said has never mattered>points to ultWhat were you saying? I couldn't hear you from all of that Marvel cum in your mouth.>writers don't have pullExplain Jeph Loeb and Daredevil then. Explain EMH you faggot. They can mess with shows. Why can't they mess with other writers and their careers? You're delusional and naive. Backstabbing faggots will be listened to by other backstabbing faggots. Look at Slott and how he talked about Spencer in front of everyone and gloated about it. I dunno if he played a part and it isn't part of my pull evidence but it is aprt of my evidence that this industry is cutthroat which is conducive to writers having pull in what they think of other writers. You're naive.
>>152592407I feel like Holland had the snark down better. Both Amazing and MCU Spider-Man had less than stellar writing but Holland was the closest to the actual source material when they weren't so busy trying to make him Iron Man Jr.
>>152592534Or better yet, just excise Venom entirely
>>152592629Should've been Sandman, Harry and John Malkovich Vulture like they were planning, the whole point of Flint Marko doing petty robberies to pay for his daughter's medical care was he was taking the money to Toombs, who had convinced Marko he was using the cash to find a cure for his daughter, but was really using it to build his vulture wings and suit.
This is the other user's response to pic rel (slott's response)>No idea what you’re on about here, man, unless you’re trying to get this thread flagged by the NSA. But way to dodge. YOU wrote the panel, so you must find nothing icky / silly / ridiculous about Peter and Silk addressing each other and lolling around together like an old married couple. But it’s all just another day in the silly Slott-Verse for us and Spidey.>See, I’m discussing content, where you keep dissembling and trying to spin off the topic, so much so that Mets could freely thread drift your posts.Slott has many tells about his reading comprehension, fallacies, and retardation. Very easy to defeat him once you realize what he is...
>>152592391He's an enabler to slop shovelers, if he had a spine he'd clean house and pay real writers what they're worth instead of sycophants with an axe to grind.
>>152592618Tom Holland was basically playing Tim Drakehe had no snark whatsoever. Maybe gay snark, but not sarcastic funny Spider-Man snarkhis one good line is calling Keaton Big Bird. Also, source material? There's nothing about Holland Spidey that is like his 616 counterpart,
What video is the OP clip from?
>>152592681>if he had a spine he'd clean house and pay real writers what they're worthlike I said, I don't think EIC has that kind of power anymore. A guy in another thread put it quite sharply, the Disney suits and pantsuits are keeping the book division around simply for the pedigree
>>152592685I didn't say he was close to be accurate, just that between the three he was the closest. Tobey was always too old and dweeby and Garfield's skater dude bullshit was annoying.
Wait just Ctrl-F'd "Youtu" and I found the video.So can someone timestamp where Rich says it?
>>152592369It seems like every decade of Spider-Man comics has at least one mystery villain of it's own, and most of them have reveals and endings that were pretty unsatisfying. Considering that even the worst-case scenarios for when Spider-Man comics get to a "stop reading here" point are somewhere in the 90s, years after the Hobgoblin mystery, it's hard to credit it with having any real long term negative effect on the books, certainly none to Spider-Man himself as a character. Right after it ends you get the marriage, you get Kraven's Last Hunt, you get Todd, you get Venom, Spider-Man comics were really popular then and people loved them.The fact that the Hobgoblin mystery was allowed to drag on for years like it did, and had gone through three or four different writers, each with their own idea of who it should be all meant that it was unlikely to ever have a resolution that would have satisfied everyone, and the longer it went on, the more it demanded someone important and shocking be behind the mask, you can't run a mystery for that long and it's just Glub Xhitto behind the mask. Re-opening the mystery ten years later to do this is even worse.As awful as the Kindred mystery was, I hope it really has finally cured Spider-Man fandom of constantly getting hyped up about these mystery box villains, getting constantly let down by the resolution, then getting hyped up for the next one like they can't remember what just happened.
>>152592712Literally who
>>152592369>Is it a hot take to say the death knell of Spiderman was the ending of the Hobgoblin arc decades ago?>Yes, OMD has done irreversible damage, but the whole pathetic Ned Leeds fiasco feels like the exact moment everything was going downhill. It was like to Spiderman what Principal and the Pauper was to The Simpsons.Again, this was only a problem because editorial (specifically Jim Owsley/Christopher Priest) started fucking things up just to screw over the Spider-Man writing team at the time, who already had a plan for the Hobgoblin arc that they then had to jump through hoops and course-correct on because of Owsley fucking with them. Every problem Marvel has is because of their editorial being egomaniacal and not staying in their fucking lane. You don't hear about DC editorial pulling this kind of shit until Dan DiDio, and they finally did kick him to the curb.
>>152592698Newest vid by RedLetterMedia.>pic relEven the libs caught onto Marvel having fan derangement syndrome.
>>152592708And that's not accurate at allIn terms of what's closest to the Ditko era it's still Maguire in spite of his bitch natureIn terms of what's cloests to the mid-60s through the 80s it's Garfield. Holland is closer to like Miles Morales in both character and performance
>>152592593>>I'm fucking saying that there is no hard documented evidence you are presenting that proves this agreement took place you dense motherfucker.You simultaneously believe that JMS somehow had enough clout to submit scripts with MJ in them even though Alonso and Quesada didn't want her or the marriage acknowledged in the book period and they just accepted it, but somehow stopped having that clout when it came time to write OMD. That's contradictory, you can't have it both ways.>points to ultThat sold because of Hickman. Mary Jane and the marriage never affected sales either negatively or positively. When they killed her in the plane crash, there was no change. When JMS brought her back, there was no change. It was The Other and Civil War that made ASM go up. This whole debate is just a trivial fanboy preference and the marriage fans have been losing for 20 years because almost every Marvel editor is anti-marriage, and always have been. Shooter, DeFalco and Salicrup were the only editors ever actually for it.>Explain Jeph Loeb and Daredevil then.Loeb was a producer who was promoted to VP of Marvel Television in 2010, what about it?
>>152592732The last response is by the current editor of the spider-man comic books. He had a period where he for some reason responded to everyone like that like some sort of cuck trying to get everyone to shit in his mouth.I'll try to find that one image of the guy posting a soijak crying behind a smug mask and replying that to one of Nick Lowe's responses.
>>152592744>Holland is closer to like Miles Morales in both character and performanceI would agree with that until the last half of No Way Home, when it finally felt like he was being allowed to play Peter Parker. Not coincidentally, it dovetails with May's death.
>>152590336Bots aren't peoples.
>>152592779Stop caring. Stop posting Twitter screenshots. Stop buying comicbooks.
>>152592495I've seen Brevoort make a very similar argument, as if they're too stupid to be aware of Marvel and DC comics who've been permanently tainted by one storyline.The argument is sometimes valid for characters like Spider-Man or Batman who are ALWAYS going to have one or more solo titles in a way it isn't for lower-tier characters, but even they can get damaged by one bad writer.
>>152587465wtf? is that dobson?
>>152592581Don’t bungled it by having Alex Kurtzman write those movies, he’s a notorious hack. The LOST boys have done untold damage to Hollywood
>>152592768>contradictoryThey were still reeling from fans losing their shit over the plane incident and wanted to put that to rest and JMS wanted to use her and probably wasn't informed of her being removed eventually. So then the plotting faggots in control said yes so they could then say no later so faggots liem you would be dense enough to buy their lies.>hickman...nobody cares about marriageWhoa...Slott the slutt or Brevoort the hat fag, is that you? I was just posting pics of this very argument and here you are with shit coming out of your mouth. Disgusting.Ah ok now you bring up the plane crash. Show me the sales instead of just saying they were normal and assuming I will take your word for it like a naive faggot.How about you just post the sales data? What? The sales data is something only Marvel knows and they can't post that because it would harm their business? So we just have to take their word for it? Sounds like something someone who says "muh sales" would say...Trivial fanboy preference? Sounds like you hate comic book fans and yet you read them enough to know all this history...Why don't you just not engage with us if you're so angry about it? Hmm...?>Shooter, Salicrup, DeFalcoYeah and that was when the company prospered and put out great stories. I don't care that we're somehow "losing" when these faggots waste their opportunities on raging on fans like faggots and making dogshit creations. >When JMS brought her back there was no changeYeah you're disingenous. MJ automatically being brought back or something being "corrected" won't bring back fans immediately. If they get what they want they will still be cynical and heistant to buy because the creator had to prove they can generate the same fun and satisfaction that creation by someone else had given to them before. You're naive faggot. Your cause and effect thinking is disingenuous and your one-sidedness has less proof. This thread showcases how faggoty and retarded the BND crew are.
>>152590336That's news to me. I've admittedly soured on them a bit since Space Cop, and how ever since then they've dropped the pretense of being filmmakers and are just straight up youtubers, but their youtube comment is still fine. What is this 99% of hatred? Most backlash I've seen against RLM are from prequelfags or e-celeb haters/orbiters on 4chan.
>>152592817I haven't bought them since Spencer's run ended. I will never stop posting screenshots as I WILL inform anyone who is new to this shit about how lame these people are and how they tainted superhero comics which also handicapped comic book stores which are the source for the very medium of comics. I will show how raped they are and how apathetic you retards who come onto a hobby board and get mad people are passionate about bettering the hobby they liked by refining the taste of people so they don't fall for this trash people call good sometimes.
>>152587627MoM really does seem like the breaking point for general audiences when it comes to the MCU, and for good reason.>Wanda's character assassination >renders WandaVision pointless because of this, and makes Disney+ tie ins feel like a waste of time>introduced the multiverse, which hampers the stakes significantly >shoehorns in shallow fanservice, just to brutally kill off said fanservice characters because ???It's a fucking mess.
>>152591382One of the worst people
>>152590336I’ve never heard anything bad about outside of here, and even then I think most of it is just bants. I think they did get a bit stale but how can you not after doing something for as long as they have, but beyond that I think that media criticism is a larger form of entertainment now that media itself because the entertainment industry is in such a sorry state across the board. I honestly think that it’s the loss of advertising, which is hilarious but now these companies aren’t made on selling something to consumers they’re just beholden to corporations like blackrock that pump more money into them than ticket sales ever could
>>152592904it's 4chan, people love to hate.
>>152592960What made the Wanda character assassination worse was how much of a hit Wandavision was, it was huge and shot Wanda to the top as like their number one female hero which they've been desperate for a top female hero hence the Captain Marvel push. Wanda was getting cosplayed EVERYWHERE, she was becoming a big deal and they just squashed that entirel in MoM
>>152593006That's been a huge problem with the MCU since Endgame, they have not been very good at pivoting based on audience reaction. The fact that we're still waiting for an MCU X-Men movie and the Disney-Fox deal was finalized almost 7 years ago is absurd.
>>152593006>have female character that women want to be and men want to be with>turn her into crazy villain because IT HAPPENED IN COMICS THE NERDS EXPECT THISI'm not saying that destroying the audience's waifu was the direct cause of the MCU's decline into becoming a thing that used to be popular and isn't cool with normies anymore, but this is the future the chose and the future they deserve.Up until this point Feige had a decent record of knowing it would be stupid to adapt comic stories that damaged characters just because people have heard of those stories, but he was supposedly planning this from the moment Whedon added Wanda to the MCU. MoM and the Thor movie afterwards really marked the point where audiences started to react negatively and check out, and it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the mistreatment of characters audiences liked had a lot to do with it.
>>152592618Holland has the same issue as Toby in that they're too soft spoken so the snark comes off as forced.
>>152593006Brevoort must be seething. >OH MY GOOOD WHAT THE FUAHCK...RAIMI IS BACK. WHAT IS THIS? WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? WHAT IS THAT? A MUTANT?>Reed richards is Jim from the office? Dr. Strange has a jeet cgi 3rd eye? >Goooooood. >WAITAMINUTE, THIS IS AN OUTRAGE. THIS IS A FUCKING OUTRAGE.>I can...FEEL...your ANGER.>IDONTKNOWWHATTODOWITHMYSELF>It makes you strong. Gives you purpose.
>>152593073>The fact that we're still waiting for an MCU X-Men movie and the Disney-Fox deal was finalized almost 7 years ago is absurd.After the last Fox X-Men movies bombed, nobody but the most hardcore of X-Men fans wanted more X-Men movies immediately afterwards. Waiting years instead of an immediate relaunch to let the stench of failure fade away was the sensible move, but then they made the stupid choice of bringing back the Fox cast again and again for multiverse memberberries nostalgia slop, and Deadpool & Wolverine being such a hit means all the wrong lessons are being learned.
>>152592900Well I found it. I did misremember it a bit, but Quesada is clear here that JMS wanted to write it. https://www.cbr.com/the-one-more-day-interviews-with-joe-quesada-pt-2-of-5/>I also think fans are misreading what Joe meant by disagreeing with the story. When we came up with the idea and methodology behind One More Day, Joe was a part of the group that came up with the story. When we were done and felt we had it nailed, Joe told me that he was going to cycle off of Amazing Spider-Man and that he wanted to move on to other stuff. I told Joe that it was his call: He could close out his Amazing Spider-Man run however he wanted, or he could end it with the story we all created for One More Day. He said he really wanted to write One More Day. So Joe never said anything that indicated he disagreed with Peter and MJ's marriage being dissolved. If he had disagreed with the idea, he certainly would have told us and he certainly would not have asked to write the story. So like I said, I think people were reading into his on-line comments as opposed what I believe he was saying.>Just to make sure we're all on the same page, you're saying that it's more that JMS disagreed with how the story ultimately played out, not the basic plot and purpose of One More Day?>Right. Joe signed on to do One More Day and he was a part of the creative sessions that helped create the idea of it. How it played out in the end -- the science behind it -- was where we disagreed. I mean if Joe had disagreed with the idea of removing the marriage, he would have absolutely refused to write the story, which would have been fine either way. After so many brilliant years on Spider-Man, Joe had earned the right to end his run whichever way he wanted. One More Day is a story we could have told once Joe was off the title; the fact that he wanted to tell it was, the way we saw it, just an added bonus.
Best Spidey actor was Mac from Foster's
>>152590365it's something else almost as bad.
>>152593190>trots out Quesada's writing and reasoning and his carefully worded corpo-speak so that he can tell the lies and get out Yeah I knew you would use this. You're gonna then say why would Quesada lie and then you'll be flabbergasted at me asking why he wouldn't lie. He lied here because they were already getting raped by the amount of rage and flack they were already getting. Might as well say JMS was under no duress. JMS if he did want to write it doesn't take away from what he did write and it doesn't diminish my hatred of Quesada and the BND crew. Then they are all faggots who made shitty decisions. But yeah your evidence coming from the mouth of a liar doesn't mean anything and I bet JMS when pressed on this has to just carefully word a way around it, flashing a neon signal that he was forced.
>>152593263this guy's been hating on JMS for years because he was the only guy who came close to bringing Spidey back to where he was supposed to be around ASM 400
>>152593263In 20 years, JMS has never contradicted Quesada's statements.
>>152593263>>152593190Further evidence of this pattern of lying and mischaracterization, is like when Marvel and the whole debacle with Spencer happened. Spencer has yet to speak at all on the matter. Only Slott did and what he did reveal shows Marvel possibly gaslighting Spencer into thinking he was in the clear and he wasn't or that he was fully aware they would try to stop him and he didn't care. JMS might have been put in a similar situation. The directions might not have been clear. Quesada is unreliable as a narrator and the comics press just like the gaming press is also notoriously unreliable and paid by the very people they have to review and criticize. Wizard, CBR, and more are just the same.
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>>152593298I'm perfectly fine with treating ASM 500 as the end of my Spider-Man reading journey, it's a perfectly fine place to stop reading it. It's also the point where it was clear to me JMS understands the character and One More Day was editorial forcing their hand.
>>152593318Brcause he might have been blacklisted/signed an NDA when he cared to expose this or he cares enough about himself to not be dragged into this shit again and wants some dignity near the end of his life. Too bad Quesada doesn't have the same thought. Nigga is trying to make more comics with his lame ass concept of an imprint. Playing these kinds of traps for people to waste their lives while enriching the person trapping them, astounds me. Subhuman.
>>152593347He's a wealthy 71 year old, he can retire and do whatever he wants. You're just coping.
>>152593333Yes. Spencer could be signalling that he was baited by Marvel and what this poster is saying is definitely bait for him to bite and "reveal" what happened. Which he can't. Because he might end up looking like a petty, gossipy, unprofessional faggot like Slott that ends up damaging what is left of his career.
>>152593357Yeah and getting the attention of faggots online like you could mean he's a 71 year old man who gets bothered for a dumb reason. Call it cope. To me, it just makes sense you'd want to be done with the biz and all its tricks.
>>152593379If he wanted to be done, then he wouldn't have just written a five issue Spider-Man mini.
>>152593391Or it could mean he doesn't care about the real soul or artistic merit of trying to make an actually good comic anymore and he wants to just work for the sake of work because he doesn't want to be an irrelevant old man.That means he can't talk bad about them because his little fixation on working and feeling useful, a trait many old people share, would be taken away.
>>152592904I’m pretty sure that anon’s bullshitting
Posting this here to contradict the JMS hater's childish faggotry.https://www.omega-level.net/2011/12/12/jms-posts-amazing-spider-man-sales-chart-after-his-exit-internet-explodes/
>>152593498>I made equally clear that the decision to unmarry them and, in the same brushstroke, eliminate virtually every story I’d written during those eight years was an editorial mandate, not my choice. And you're contradicting what exactly?>Well, to be completely clear, the idea for OMD was actually created by a room full of people. From the very first day I was in the EIC chair, I made no secret of the fact that I felt that a married Peter Parker wasn't the best thing for an ongoing Spider-Man universe. The problem was that we never had a decent methodology to get ourselves out of it. I always said that if we ever found a way to do it, I would pursue the avenues to get us there.>Close to two years ago at one of our creative summits, the seeds of that idea began to blossom. Those ideas were then taken and a two week long e-mail chain began where we started to throw around ideas until we got the story kind of where we wanted it to be. The guys involved in all of this from the beginning were Joe, Bendis, Millar, Loeb, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso and myself. It then all carried over to the next summit, at which Ed Brubaker and Dan Slott also had some stuff to add. He had the choice to walk away and didn't take it. Instead he participated in the editorial mandate.
>>152593590>not my choiceThat is what I'm saying is contradicting your point that JMS chose to participate in it. Alongside this quote I have greentexted below from the link provided. His choice was to never even consider it in the first place in any of his stories. Because it is retarded.>I have always made it very clear that when I came aboard ASM I brought Peter and MJ back together because I liked writing them as a married couple.Those words you posted after were by the liar, Quesada. Now refute me and say that Quesada isn't lying. Now provide evidence like I have where JMS is contradicting Quesada's words and sentiment. Yes JMS took part in that summit. But the circumstances we are both describing are very different. The feelings are different. And I have evidence that contradicts your narrative that he entirely enjoyed it and 100% wanted to do it. You're buying their narrative without using any critical thinking. You think there is no doubt when there is.Way to pick and choose from that link. Now go find one that actually helps yourself. Good luck finding it you disingenuous fuck.
Ladies and gentlemen....I present what I like to call...THE RAPED >>152593590
Well /co/mrades, what did we think of Rich Evans' comic book opinions?
Here is some Slott cope.
>>152594150A little surface level, but altogether pretty based. He should give DC, indies and alternatives a try. Dropping comics entirely because of Marvel doing One More Day is kind of weak. Comics are a medium, not one company.
>>152594196This is true. I would not mind if he got someone else and started doing videos on comics they tried out. I also think that Jay might like animated movies like deeper more horrific shit like Evangelion or artistic stuff like Studio Ghibli. They just need someone with a good grasp of the context surrounding these different mediums and cultures surrounding them. But they are liberal so that might not happen or they are unwilling to forgive certain sentiments these creators have/had.Rich doing a re:View with someone on Watchmen might not give me anything of value but seeing more normies see the power of comics as a medium would be dope. I mean I know some anons will call me a pleb for bringing up Watchmen but is a pretty good gateway comic for older fans to at least look deeper and see some of the techniques explored on a deeper level like panel grids, the "camera" and how it is used in a comic, the pacing of a comic, and the way a comic guides your eye.Or Rich going over old SM comics would also be kino like if he read the Owl-Octopus War, I'd like to see him go over with someone else.
>>152594420Based Stan. People can say what they want about the creator debate with Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko, but he did defend the dignity of the characters he created.
>>152593341I agree
>>152594381>I also think that Jay might like animated movies like deeper more horrific shit like Evangelion or artistic stuff like Studio Ghibli.Jay would unironically love Evangelion (specifically End of), Satoshi Kon films, and Akira. He really should give the darker, weirder anime a shot.
>>152594381You think you want that, but it’d probably be another Pre-Rec
>>152592629Well yeah but if an exec is making them do it theres not much he could have done
>>152594485I have to find it but he also made that pretty based tweet which was a back-handed "compliment" of Slott's Superior. Anyway, Rich at least also praised ASM 400 and also praised JMS's Aunt May Conversation issue. Who can hate JMD writing? I forget where his writing is weakest.The mustache of a chad.
>>152592674Scott's post are worse than Reddit posts
>>152594531Perhaps...but at least it is still within a medium that they can just watch and not play. Not as much of a barrier.
>>152594527There are so many good sex pervert anime its unreal. I'd rather just someone who was passionate about something make a small channel I can watch though. There's not many good anime youtubers or even comic youtubers...actually movie youtubers too now that I think about it I only subscribe to a single digit number maybe
>>152594485Stan's work on the first 20 issues of FF, the post Ditko Spidey, Silver Surfer, Spidey comic strip, etc. proves that Stan is not what Moore and others have characterized him as. He's way more competent and deserving of the title of artist than someone like a Bob Kane or Mort Weisinger, or Tom Breevort.Stan is a creative unto his own simply for having found a way to bridge the gaps of all the ideas of the artists. He took Kirby's, Ditko's, Wood's, Heck's work and made it all cohesive under one brand.
>>152594615Stan was like Tony Stark striking the anvil, he beat the bullpen into shape. And the universe erupted out of it
>>152594550>>152594485Ah found it. This is how "they" compliment each other. Nothing to see here folks. JK.>>152594527Exactly what I was thinking. Mike and Rich would like Akira, GITS, and Cowboy Bebop as well. Mike might also like Eva if he gets past the underage teens interacting with adults deal but I feel like if they see the whole scenes then they would see the point being made.
>>152594608Maybe one day I will create one about all those topics but I struggle with anything new to say. It would be all minutiae and small little jokes than anything of real substance in creating a new message.
I forget, was pic rel disproven or not?
>>152594641>at least you'll have a good piece of writing in your house
Cringe. Slott really do be like that.
MY HEROES........are in decline.BUT....I shall create my own, this I pledge....
>>152594641>>152594704Stan was "The Man" when it came to backhanded compliments, and people had to just take it because he was Stan Lee. Reminds me of the video with Rob Liefeld and Todd McFarlane where Stan asks Liefeld "You can THINK and DRAW at the SAME TIME...?"
A classic.
>Muh death threats>*posts this*
>>152594754Ditko was like a Jewish Howard Hughesbrilliant insane genius retard
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>>152594672>It would be all minutiae and small little jokes than anything of real substance in creating a new message.And it would still be superior to all those faggots who just make videos summarizing plots.
>>152594822Ha! At least he replied, that says a lot about Ditko's character to reply, regardless of the letter not being worth replying to.
>>152594641 I hate these west vs east fight threads lately because I love sharing shit like how Syd Mead designed for Turn A Gundam and how he and Otomo went back and forth sending motorcycle designs to eachother because they were fans of eachother work. I'm sure prop loving movie guys would appreciate shit like that.
lol engaging with pirates always ends up well. Streisand effect? What's that? Ol' Nick Lowe here sure is sharp. Any other company would have this retard fired.
>>152594860Also FUCKING TOKUSATSU movies are perfect for b movie lovers. There's tons of shit that are just movies too and not 50 episode series. Zeiram, Violator Hakkaider and probably a lot more obscure shit. I'd love to see normalfags reaction to those.
>>152594860Syd mead is dope as fuck and hearing about these old ass sci-fi designers and mech designers is always a treat. I remember when I found out about the designers of MechWarrior mechs and that shit was dope.Marvel surprisingly does not have many mechs. You'd think they would create some characters around some of those tropes.
My faith in humanity will be restored....for I have...HOPE.
>>152594860>Syd Mead and Katsuhiro Otomo were pen palsyou learn something new everyday. I thought Otomo was just a fan
>>152594860The science fiction & fantasy fandoms in the U.S. and Japan have more in common than separate from each other, the ongoing cultural exchange between both sides of the Pacific is interesting to me. Superhero comics specifically have a sequence dedicated to them in Daicon IV, robot Maria from Metropolis is the first character shown in the wide shot at the end showing the historical timeline of science fiction Fandom the World over, we are all more connected than separate, and both inform the other continuously.
Whoa...now why would his POV not be unique....? Interesting...Nick Lowe any thoughts on this?
>>152590336I think for most people, they "fell off" once they stopped really leaning on the Plinkett reviews. They kind of pigeon holed themselves into those, so once they tried to step away to do other skits and videos, people just wanted more Plinkett.
>This is said>They then collect the books anyway in a new omnibusMethinks there is dissension within the ranks that was quelled by a desire for sales they were desperate for...please disprove this notion if this is conspiratorial. But it was just an idea I had...
>>152590333>heroes need to gradually and gracefully be retired rather than endlessly revived and rebooted until they're a shallow husk of what they were.Works for DC and their constant resets.
>>152587465These are the type of assclowns that would unironically enjoy Dan Slott's She-Hulk.
>>152594942There was a cool thread we had once of a Japanese zine that was from the 80s about American comics. They had cool manga fan art of 80's X-Men, Burton Batman, Iron Man suits, etc.
>>152592187Baby may didn't amount to anything. Not after the whole spider society cult thin.
>>152594992Yes and Marvel is foolish for not figuring out a way to replicate it or copy it. I think they have to do it. Better than them copying the Bat-Family and all that shit.>>152595003They would not like the Netflix She-Hulk and reading the comic is somewhat similar to it. I think they might find some parts fun but then other times they would see how slutty and shallow Slott writes her and that would turn them off. John Byrne She-Hulk would probably what is Rich's point of reference would be.
Lads... I know Twitter screenshots are cancerous. But I am burying Slott tonight.
>>152595019Dan Slott legit is the reason why I only read manga now. The man killed the love I had for comics.
>>152592779Ah finally found it. It is pic rel.Man I think I will take a break.
>>152595044God, I really hate how they screwed over Ben Reilly post-Clone Saga. They introduce him in that story, make him Spider-Man and it revitalized the book for a while, then they admit they made a mistake and kill Ben instead of owning and working with the legacy of that story, leave it to Marvel to bungle everything and then reset status-quo again and again and sweep everything under the carpet regardless of whether it's good or not.
This is about the Kamala death. We all know how that went down. Man I still really like the threads that detailed what happened at that NYCC. Wish we had footage.
The Dan Slott hate train never stops, Fuck him & everybody who looks like him!
>>152587465Why did my ass think this was Alex Jones at first?
Nick Lowe bullying...Kraven calls it the Greatest Game. A hunt so satisfying but so easy. Quite the conundrum of mixed feelings.
The sheer fucking hubris.
No more Mr. Nice Lowe.....Watch out....
What? You're saying it is on the internet forever.....?
Dan had Jen make The Avenger's Mansion her very own personal fuckpad.
I think Brevoort would later comment on this and say that Kaine's turn into a hero wasn't convincing enough and that is why he has barely shown up. Any redeeming quality of Spider-Man is swallowed up by these fatsos.
>>152595004Do you happen to have link to it? I love shit like that. Some of my favourite things I've found over the years are Dinosaurs drawn for a Japanese TV guide (like the NOT THE MAMA sitcom), the small soldiers manga by the zoids guy, and Mario Bros 1993 movie manga adaptation in the style of Mario Kun. My folders are unorganized so I can only find this last one https://archive.org/details/mario-movie-manga
>>152587486>50 years later: "so Steve tell us about you and Peggy"
