>>152593261Santa is canon in DC Comics. What a weird line to draw considering he's friends with gods.
James Gunn clearly didnt read the comic where Santa flew all the way to Apocalypse, told Darkseid to his face the Anti-Life Equation is real, its in his magic sack RIGHT NOW but since he's been a very naughty boy he's getting a single lump of coal instead.
>>152593261For all the talk about "kindness" and "joy" in Gunn's DCU, this feels like a very pointed lack of whimsy.
>>152593261>More people got upset at this than to the Jor-El twist
>>152593261>>152593392Gunn be the type to find burritos 2010's lolsorandumb hilarious but then find 2015 reddit wholesome humor repulsive. Double standard.
>>152593336Too based for modern audiences.
>>152593392That is, to a degree, the point. In a whimsical world joy and kindness are a given. Gunn's Superman, as with many other versions throughout the years, is someone who fights to fill the world with joy and kindness even in dark or gritty or realistic worlds where they do not occur naturally. Superman would certainly still choose to do good in a world where Santa Clause did not exist.
>>152593470I always thought the point of DC was that it's a whimsical universe. Santa is real, people are nice, the knight saves the princess and they live happily ever after. Marvel is the "realistic" universe, to me. I don't think being like that is what DC should be about.
>>152593470his superman feels faker than most
>>152593402Jor-El was a born and raised Kryptonian, it's pretty reasonable that he would find it believable that the less developed race populating the Earth would only thrive under the leadership of his kryptonian son.
>>152593487That's how it is presented on the surface, but I believe DC's occult side is far darker than Marvel's magic lines.
>>152593470Gunn's Superman feels completely astroturfed and performative, they lead so hard with le heckin kindness it feels totally fake
Superman not believing in Santa doesn't mean Santa doesn't exist in the DCU, it means Santa is doing his job well
>>152593487You're right, that's what it was so jarring the movies reversed them and made Marvel the reddit quip universe and DC grim dark.
>>152593295In the comics all the characters are also canonically cartoons that rely on readers from our universe to progress the flow of time, so it's natural to expect some differences in a live action universe.
>>152593487DC has Joker, and Gotham as a whole, there's no fucking hope or whimsy in any world where those exist
>>152593487The DC universe adapts to the characters it contains. That's why Gotham and Metropolis have such opposite vibes.
>>152593541Superman can fly around the world, and he Fortress of Solitude is in the North Pole.Wer're saying Merry Christmas again folks! Don't fall for Jewthor's lies!
why would superman believe in santa if he's able to fly to the north pole and see that there's nothing there
>>152593557Goes to show how general audiences only know characters through their adaptations. A shame, but it is how it is.
>>152593535That's not the vibe I get from it. It is performative in the sense that I do not believe that Gunn himself fully takes to heart every message the movie is pushing, but I do believe he is doing his best to approach the project from a "what would Superman do" perspective.
>>152593261The autistic retarded who asked the moronic question
Gunn is a jew faggot
>>152593572Gotham is a shithole. Our world has Detroit and Baltimore and we just ignore them and enjoy life.
>>152593600Because they're neighbors and he's met him many times?
>>152593261santa is literally a character in DC. i hate gunn so much its unreal.
>>152593699Not only that, he's implied to be older and more powerful than fucking DARKSEID.
>>152593261Gunn is so fucking clever that he dog whistles idiots about complaining if fictional character believe in other fictional characters existing.
>>152593788well hes a saint or something isnt he? that means the more people beleive in him the stronger he is. although that feels like some constantine lore and im not talking about the spirit of party.
>>152593788Marvel should cuck DC and add their version of Santa to the MCU. He's not as powerful but he's still the most powerful Omega-level mutant.(yes it's real faggots)
>>152593838aight.
>>152593600He’s teasing his parents
>>152593261Superman doesn't actually "believes in Santa" he believes in the tradition of Santa and thinks there's value in keeping up the idea of believing in him.
>>152593930Belief isn't required when he knows him.
>>152593614Yeah but that's probably what makes his Superman movie feel "off," or it felt off to me when I tried to watch it. Something about it just feels missing. I think you've hit on what it is: that Gunn is really a pretty cynical asshole and he doesn't actually have that childlike joy and whimsy in his heart. But he knows Superman needs it, so he's trying to fake it, and it only sort of works.
>>152593930lobo met santa and lobo met superman. you dont need to believe when its shown to be canon. you can pretend it isnt canon though.
>>152593572I don't agree with the whimsy bit when all the older iterations of heroes ended with killing a random gang member.
>>152593836you type like a fag
>>152593261Im an adult and I believe in Santa. Why? Because I am Santa Claus. Ho ho ho! Jimmy will get a shiny red wagon for Christmas this year!
>>152593392Kindness and joy are marketing gimmicks for him. He’s deeply cynical. I like his movies btw, but to pretend he ever truly believed in the hope and love stuff is retarded.
Santa Claus literally trained Batman in those Christmas specials
>>152593557>and made Marvel the reddit quip universeso comic accurate?marvel heroes are famous for having snark to drop at a drop of a hat, especially when things go serious
>>152593261>>152593336>>152593431Now the real question: is this the same Saint Nicholas that slapped Arius in the face for stating the Father and the Son are not co-equal?If yes, is the legend of him standing up and praying to thank Jesus for his life right after birth true?If yes, is Jesus canon to the DC universe?
>>152594140does the font change?
>>152594646I'm pretty sure the Spear of Destiny has showed up a bunch of times. I don't remember all the other references.It's pretty much 100% confirmed in modern canon thanks to the Vertigo merge.
>>152594439Yeah, him pulling le kindness is punk rock shit after years of making violent edgelord anti-hero slop is beyond duplicitous
>>152594646DC Comics for a very long time was basically a Christian universe. Christianity++, I guess you'd say. All sorts of weird shit, but ultimately the supreme lord of the universe is Capital-G God. Hell, in Morrison's JLA run the League goes to Heaven. Superman fights an angel.
>>152593614if i saw a cop look at me with that expression and his hand hovering over his gun like that, i would assume i was already dead
>>152594403Based Santa, keep it up.
>>152594833Why doesn't God kill the Joker
>>152595686which one? yaweh?the one above all?spectre? the actual god of this universe?grant morrison?
>>152593572They also have Batman who has a wide variety of gadgets and is a ninja who dresses like a bat. There's whimsy
>>152594054"Only sort of works" is a breath of fresh air compared to the Superman content we've been getting in movies for a good while.
>>152595703>the one above all?That's Marvel
>>152595686Because he knows he sells comics
>>152594403Oh boy!
>>152595686Why don't Evangelical rednecks who practice lethal injection and electrocution for the death penalty do it?
>>152594796The Spear of Destiny and Jesus 100% exist in DC too. Hitler had that shit on him during WW2, that's why the JSA never intervened.Obviously Santa would be "the" Saint Nicholas.
>>152594646Jesus was always canon to DC.
>>152597619it's in Not-New York
>>152594833the mob that runs or infested particular comic companies has always caused identity problems every so often
>>152593295Yeah Santa literally exists in the DC universe.A funnier thing is that Big Boss from the Metal Gear Solid games canon believes in Santa. At first this seems like a silly random joke but if you think about it, it is actually consistent with his character since during MGS3 he blindly believes everything the government says and there's a government agency called NORAD that pretends to track Santa every Christmas.We all know it's just a silly joke but if you unquestionably believe everything the government tells you then you would need to believe Santa exists due to the NORAD Santa tracker.
>>152593572The Joker is a clown who kills people with laughing gas and his nemesis is bat luchador Bond. Batman has always been camp.
>>152593261Watch him spin this ass "he doesn't believe because he knows Santa is real" after Santa shows up in creature commandos season 3 or something
>>152593261Santa and Clark have had so many run ins it’s not even funny.
>>152593516Even at the cost of diminishing the immigrant allegory?
>>152594511That is awesome lore dive, desu.
Gunn is a humorless cocksucker who has only ever been in it for the paycheck
>>152593470To do good only due to the existence of Santa Claus makes one, essentially and unmistakably, deserving of a Krampus-ing of the severest degree.
>>152593261I'm going to go way back and say both.
>>152593261Superman teamed up with Santa (to fight toy man) Lobo fought Santa Batman (and everyone else) has had a recent team with Edgy Santa Santa gives Darkseid a giftProbably other appearances tooSanta is canonically part of the DCU. I'd put him up there with the Quintessence
>>152594646One of the deliberately conflicting origins of The Phantom Stranger has him as the wandering jew.
>>152593261You think he ever looks out the window in his Fortress of Solitude? Surely he'd be able to see if Santa were there or not.
>>152600008The Stranger that is, which if you know that story woudlmake it canon if that origin were canon but they can't all be....Or can they?
>>152593261>>152593431There are multiple santas in DC. Some that have even been killed. Why do people like this version so much?
>>152600020This. Santa's basically his neighbor, of course he's gonna believe in a guy who can pop over for a beer if he ever felt so inclined
He's not being cute, Santa is just real In his world.
>>152593600You've literally lead yourself to the conclusion that there is indeed something there.
>>152593643So that mad spoof was comic accurate? Lmao
>>152593261If Santa isnt real, why does NORAD track his trip around the world every year? You fags actuallt think the United States government would spend actual taxpayer dollars on something so frivolous and childish? Are you all THAT fucking dumb?
>>152600186>If Santa isnt real, why does NORAD track his trip around the world every year?Impossible, Santa shifts into a different time dimension.
>>152593261but how come he believes in aliens?
