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>>152618412
reading and excited to finally get this ride underway
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>>152618412
I am not reading.
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is there a more appropriate title for Spider-Man than 'death spiral'?
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>>152618437
It's very meta.
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>>152618474
>>152618476
>Don't talk to me or your son ever again
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>>152618420
None of those writers are good.
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>>152618412
Bumping for my favorite stepfather Paul
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And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
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>>152618518
Eh.

Anyway, thanks OP.
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>>152618518
I mean yeah she is beatiful.
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>>152618525
When did Rek-Rap get a black costume?
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>>152618518
This kinda makes me think that Paul can't be Torment, with how much he was featured in this issue, and now seemingly not knowing who MJ is.
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>>152618553
Anon...that's VenoMJ.
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the idea of there being dozens of unknown Brocks and Parkers is retarded.
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>>152618604
I think they are just people with the same last name, not necessarily unknown relatives.
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I don't like this art. At all.
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>>152618411
Wuh, already? I didn't realize it was gonna be out. Are they gonna be doing alternating weeks with Amazing or something?
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>>152618610
I feel like, as stupid as it is, it has to be their extended, estranged family, cause otherwise what even is it about? Just their name? The entire conceit of the issue is the idea of their strands and connections being torn apart, that this guy is circling in on Eddie and Peter, closer and closer.

If they're just randos who happen to have the same name, why suddenly go after MJ? If there's no actual connection, why all the faffing about on that topic?
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>>152618610
Peter got a call about his second cousin twice removed dying>>152618448
, and Eddie’s first cousin was killed.
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>>152618434
there's an awful, Greg Land-esque quality about these pages, I just can't name what it is
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>>152618629
Well, clearly Torment is insane which means his motives are equally so and Carnage is just pushing him towards Peter, MJ and Eddie because he wants all of them dead.
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>>152618629
>>152618649
No, it’s their family. Carl Brock is Eddie’s father and Carl’s brother and nephew are mentioned as Torment’s victims.
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>>152618451
Wait, did Eddie find out in New Avengers or something? I choose not to read that since it felt incredibly contrived that Brock-Carnage would be on a team, and just the thought of it was giving me PTSD flashbacks to when Bendis shot Flash into space. I thought Carnage finding out Pete's identity was supposed to be his secret bit of leverage he got by slowly carving into the center of Brock's psyche
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>>152618663
>>152618632
Oh, well shit, I guess Marvel is just killing off all of Peter, Eddie and now MJ's family for...um, shock value?
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>>152618674
It reminds me of the time Claremont massacred all of Jean Grey’s extended family, which was derided as over the top and tacky 20 years ago. And Torment supposedly has history with Spider-Man. The only good thing from this is that Dylan might see Carl again, and acknowledge how he used to beat his ass
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Does anyone remember kindred from Spencer's run? Torment feels like Kelly's version of this.
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>>152618489
what just happened here...
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>>152618725
Basically, Flash and MJ aren't hooking up.
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>>152618716
Yep, but without the BND hint so we’re left completely clueless who this dumb schizo is.
>That bombshell sends Peter, Mary Jane, and Eddie Brock straight into the sights of Torment, a terrifying new serial-killer supervillain whose connection to Spider-Man is both deeply personal and dangerously intimate.
It’s not going to be Ben, is it? Are there any pre-OMD candidates who Carnage may have reawoken memories in? Maybe Chameleon?
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>>152618777
The Chameleon knows who MJ is, so it isn't him, this is definitely someone else. Probably F.A.C.A.D.E.
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>>152618777
calypso controlling paul?
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>>152618716
I mean yeah, that wasn't long ago at all. I think the problem/difference is that they established very early on that Kindred knew exactly who Peter was, so people clocked it as having something to do with Mephisto or potentially Harry right off the bat, so Spencer obviously had to swerve into the bullshit that it was eventually revealed to be.

With Torment, who can it even be that knows Spider-Man personally but have little clue who Mary Jane is
Or maybe they're just surprised that MJ is tied up with Eddie and Peter at the same time

Maybe they're bringing Gwen back for a third time, and only the second time that she/a clone of her is murderous.
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>>152618806
Torment was previously only massacring the Brock and Parker/Reilly lineages, though. MJ isn’t related to them, and Peter’s boned plenty of other women. But now that he knows she’s Venom, her and her line are a target. I think
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>>152618506
Should've been Carol
>>152618777
It's very clearly Muse if you've read Carnage
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>>152618885
But then why are they marketing his identity as a mystery?
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>>152618411
I fucking hate symbiotes
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>>152618434
>that art
Makes me want to vomit.
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>>152618885
And how is a no name serial killer that only has a connection to Brock "deeply personal and dangerously intimate" to Spider-Man
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>>152618430
>>152618434
>>152618445
This art looks like Steve Dillion rose form his grave to draw ASM
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It's Jonathan Caesar or the stalker that killed him
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>>152618934
Who else would Carnage have the phone number for, Cletus Kasady? I thought he was still uberdead.
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>>152618958
the stalker is the one who blew up a plane to kill MJ, right? He did absorb Peter’s memories, that could be interesting.
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>>152618934
Because Carnage is giving Torment the names to kill and those names are Parker/Brocks' distant relatives.
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It's Carlie Cooper
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>>152618971
He's alive. A clone of him, anyway. Carnage created a Cletus clone to bond to, then ate the brains of the real Cletus, which I guess made the clone the real deal, then they went their separate ways.
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>>152618991
I thought she was Kindred until the exact moment the mask came off. Probably not this time, either.
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It's Shay Marken
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>>152618777
>whose connection to Spider-Man is both deeply personal and dangerously intimate.
>...and people will hate it.
Probably Gwen Stacy's racist cousin. Or Ned Leed.
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>>152618777
>It’s not going to be Ben, is it?
I don't think they're retarded enough to launch straight into attempt number 4. Besides, it wouldn't make any sense with the end of the issue.
I bet it's gonna be something retarded like Lance Bannon back from the grave
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Torment is Skip, the guy that molested Peter.
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At least Aunt May leaving all those letters about relatives dying makes sense now
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>>152618518
Gayle and cousin Kristy are in so much trouble.
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>>152618725
They just want to stay friends. What's interest right after this venom learns about Eddie. So I guess he just wants to be friends now as well.
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>>152619262
>Gayle hasn't even been mentioned since the Clone Saga
>Shows up again just to be killed off
I can see it happening
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>>152618484
I'm confused, are they just talking around Peter being Spider-Man or have the writers forgotten that Flash knows Peter is Spider-Man?
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>>152618474
How does Eddie now who Paul is?
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Torment is that indian lady that worked at Peter's company.
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>>152619352
Sajani? She was a bitch but not to that level
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>>152618514
>>152618518

So just a bunch of random people died and the big shocking twist is that the Carnage symbiote is conspiring against Eddie/Peter/MJ by siccing a random mother fucking super powered serial killer onto them to do it's dirty work for it?

Christ on a cracker, this is retarded as fuck. Why not just have Carnage split from Eddie and merge with Madam Masque? Masque making good on her threat to kill everyone MJ loves and being She-Carnage would be better than this and at least give Marvel a new toyetic character for merchandise (She-Carnage) and let them free Eddie up to become Venom again.
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>>152618806
Can't be FACADE because FACADE is supposed to be Jonah.
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It is a bit funny that none of the family introduced during BND has been touched
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>>152619378
>FACADE is supposed to be Jonah.
What?
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>>152618958
Both of those stalkers are dead and >>152618973 died from his mutant powers after he revealed himself as having kidnapped MJ
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>>152619390
You say that as if death means anything in Marvel

>>152619384
IIRC while he never showed his face the person wearing the armor had an inflated ego and spoke like Jonah which is about where the similarities end so Anon thinks it was him
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>>152618445
Im kind of digging peter and astrid.
I bet she would step on him.
>>152618476
Even dylan thinks MJ is a slut.

Does peter still have his space suit? Can he make it look like is on suit?
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>>152619384
Terry Kavanaugh was one of the writers who believed JJJ was pure evil/should never be portrayed as a good guy with a blind spot in the form of his hatred for Spidey.

When the preliminary work got started on the Clone Saga (which would mean that the Daily Bugle would be sidelined indefinately ala JMS exiling JJJ and the Bugle from the book during his run), Kavanaugh decided to be a cunt and wrote a story where JJJ would kill Lance Bannon while wearing a new armor suit and get unmasked/sent to jail to permanently write him out of the title.

Sadly, the other writers and editorial found out what Kavanaugh was scheming and forced him to end the FACADE storyline with the villain escaping and their identity unknown, because JJJ was going to still be used in the Clone Saga via him paying for Peter's defense lawyers when Peter got arrested for a murder Kaine committed during the exact same period Peter was buried alive by Kraven.
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There's a like a billion random characters with connections to Peter you could randomly make a villain. I feel like the better question is why this guy is also going after Brocks. Eddie doesn't really have a giant pool of supporting cast guys to pull from.
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>>152619316
self-referential Paul hate does numbers on social media. It’s also probably not worth the effort to do introductions, Paul is just a guy, and not liable to offer more than that to Eddie, and Eddie’s rap sheet is public record
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>>152618474
IT'S PAAAAAUUUUULIN' TIIIIIIIIIIME!
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>>152619431
>the list is so small that post-Lee Price pre-Donny Cates Venom era priest came back as an evil vampire and sucked Dylan
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Spidey and Wolvie >>152619320
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Maybe it's because I just woke up, but this is the most stunted dialogue I've read from Kelly this far.

>>152618442
>Whenever Brian is not on panel, all the other characters should be asking, "Where's Brian?"

>>152618632
>villain has an anti-cousin agenda
JILL STACY, NO!
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>>152618445
>Inconsistencies in the project
Oh, so this is where Peter gets the blame
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>>152618474
Dylan should look more feminine
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Torment is De-Modokified George Tarleton btw
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>>152619565
Dylan looks 17-18
Isn't he supposed to be like 12?
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>>152619597
He looks way too old here, but no, Donny Cates’ Venom ended with a timeskip where Dylan was high school age.
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>>152618411

They could have had so much more fun with Ben taking over peters life. They could have had him punch black cat again. Or he holds her down and spanks her. Then he calls Miles a Nog and blames it on his taurettes. I feel like ben and loki should hang out.
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>>152618489
This whole MJ and Flash thing is pure cancer, unless future writers ignore it completely we'll start having some weird tension between them exchanging "maybe" glances whenever they're together, what a fucking shitshow.
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>>152619835
That powerset belongs to Miguel.
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>>152618553
sraw-terces
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>>152618434
Yeah im starting to think the only reason comics don't sell as much as manga is because comics look like dogshit
The only reason, all those other theories about comics being too woke are bullshit
Its the garbage art
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>>152619859
this entire subplot is to bait you retard self-insertfags and it works every single time
it's pavlovian at this point
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>>152618476
>"He's all up in Mary Jane Watson"
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>>152619896
Average comics looked like shit in the 90s and they sold great, but don't let me keep you from spreading propaganda.
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>>152618777
JACK IS BACK BABY
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>>152619940
>Average comics looked like shit in the 90s
and fans loved it because Liefeld and Lee were big in the 90's
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>>152619928
Holy retardation, I'm self inserting because I think Flash, one of Peter best friends hitting on his ex is dumb? Keep enjoying the slop I guess.
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>>152619859
I mean it seems like flash is saying he doesn't want to ruin the friendship and MJ is saying she's not interested in anyone right now. It also seems like she initiated the convo because she wants it settled. But why make it an issue, It's clear editorial is trolling everyone with cheapo soap drama bullshit. But, who knows what the future holds with these jokers.

What this event will do is setup a new status quo for Peter and MJ. Thats pretty much it.
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>>152618412
lets see how bad this gets
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>>152619972
We know Flash is going to save aunt May and Anna from Torment, it's pretty easy making MJ fall for him for real and have Peter approve their relationship like the good boy he is.
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>>152619996
We dont he is going to save them. We dont know what is going to happen, but its a decent guess. I dont think lowe wants them together ever again, its an admission of defeat.
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>>152618425
Dude was in great shape for an 86 year old
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>>152619996
>>152620034
So Flash is going to 1v1 Torment while Peter, MJ and Eddie can’t take him down 3v1? Unless Carnage is able to sabotage their efforts it will be bullshit.
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>>152620095
We have the solicits, 258 is where Peter and MJ have their "heartfelt" talk, I'm expecting them to just properly end things as good friends and Peter promising to help her with Venom.
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>>152620127
I don't see Lowe leaving that to Ewing, if it were to happen, it'd be on ASM for added injury and stringing along the unaware.
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they are going to piss off a lot of people if they move forward with that.
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>>152618489
This feels like they wanted to put a nail in this, but it’s not well written and it makes Flash look terrible. Why are you hitting on Peters ex? This is not endearing me to Flash at all, I dont care what kind of redemption arc he has had. If anything it’s a regression for him.
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>>152620127
Throwing out the MJ carrot on a stick that people still read ASM for is a death knell
It'll just be platitudes with them being friends and maybe potential for something more if he got "lucky"
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>>152620152
Yeah but those people want to be pissed off anyway.
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>>152620244
It will never stop, anon. Why do you think they're breaking the emergency She-Venom glass?
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>>152618885
Muse doesn't like collaberating with a partner though
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>>152619940
because DC was selling a lot as Image
Marvel was doing great on gaming and tv shows

Til the bitch head of FOX animation department wanted to fuck everything up behind Avi Arad's back and all was cancelled.
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>>152618439
>Not wanting to speak with eddie
Fuck this peter parker
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>>152619961
>Holy retardation, I'm self inserting because I think Flash, one of Peter best friends hitting on his ex is dumb?
Yes.
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>>152620543
Flash shouldn't be going after MJ, period. Not in pic Rel or the “maybe box”. It doesn't matter what she says, "Friends" don't do that. Peter was well within his rights to beat the shit out of Flash here. This is why the Flash/MJ thing is so stupid, it is meant to promote antagonism and regresses all the characters involved and another example or Lowe and co treating MJ like a whore.

The “Maybe Box” thing is 100% sneaky Beta Male stuff. What a fucking Faggot. Another reason to never spend money on Marvel slop.
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>>152618445
>>152618442
What if Pete put his penis inside Astrid.
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>>152618411
spiral covers:
not posting the duplicate ones.
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Dave Rapoza Spider-Man Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Iban Coello Connecting Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 McFarlane Toys Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Skan Srisuwan Venom Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Stonehouse Carnage Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 1:25 Dave Rapoza Spider-Man Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 1:50 Stonehouse Carnage Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 1:100 Skan Srisuwan Venom Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 616 Comics / Comic Traders / Comics Elite Tyler Kirkham Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 616 Comics / Comic Traders / Comics Elite Tyler Kirkham Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 616 Comics / Comic Traders / Comics Elite Tyler Kirkham Yellow Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles / Comic Inspiration MegaCon 2026 Mico Suayan Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles / Comic Inspiration MegaCon 2026 Mico Suayan Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles Junggeun Yoon Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles Junggeun Yoon Virgin Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles Lucio Parrillo Variant
Amazing Spider-Man / Venom: Death Spiral #1 Big Time Collectibles Lucio Parrillo Virgin Variant
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todd mcfarlne toys one.
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mostly terrible covers t b h
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Man i try not to be a negative cunt since theres far too many on /co/ already but those last two pages killed my interest. The random deaths made it feel like some high strangeness shit was going to go down and i've always enjoyed when spiderman takes brief jaunts into that kind of thing.
But carnage texting his bff serial killer is the reveal? thats super lame and i just dont care about more of this if its just "carnage texted a guy to kill someone and its going to lead into a bunch of fights based on misunderstandings like some 1970's book nobody remembers where misunderstandings were the reason behind 80% of fights. What a let down.
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Every time you make another spider-man /co/ goes more to shit because therfore this thread is now terminated.
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>>152620867
Gwen?
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>>152618434
this is really low quality art. Can they affoard best artists?
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>>152618514
>>152618518
GET FUCKED MJ
GET FUCKED EDDIE
GET FUCKED PETER
GET FUCKED DYLAN
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>>152621226
Spiderfags have been spoiled with JRJR's art for too long. Balance must be restored.
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>>152618476
>that wording
19 inches dildo confirmed
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>>152621230
fuck this thread and you for making it.
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The art is fine. It's just ill-fitting for a series like this
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>>152618489
We all know this is where things are headed. They should begin already instead of dancing around the point for one more year.
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>>152618489
she is going to fuck flash for sure they should kill off MJ not a shitpost
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>>152618533
Keep it in your pants, Flash
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Thread for MJ whore fans I really do think the plan is for MJ and norman to become a hot item sometime in the future

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>>152621148
Mary jane, i recognize those massive perky tits everywhere.

>>152621338
Neck yourself faggot.
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>>152621346
this thread is now over spider-man threads only me ths board worse.
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>>152621346
>Mary jane, i recognize those massive perky tits everywhere.
Seems like it but the early prototype costume throws it off.
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>>152618474
Honestly, I think I'd be cool with a death like that.
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>>152618484
>>152619290
I don't think MJ knows that Flash knows.
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I will just post these to remind everyone of the glory days which are now gone
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>>152621418
>I don't think MJ know
Doesn't matter she is still going to fuck him by the looks of things.
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>>152618518
Nice to see Mac and Carnage are getting along.
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>>152618474
Paul is going to put on the Jackpot device to protect Dylan and then zap himself into oblivion.
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>>152621438
this is how porn artists draw women these days
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>>152618777

It's Brian Nehring.
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>>152621510
I can't believe Gwen came back from the dead to kill MJ
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>>152618430
Saez’ art is fucking hideous
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>>152621517
"I win my goal was to make MJ a cheater and cheater this whole time "
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>>152621372
Yeah and Gwen didn't know Peter was Spider-Man until she died. It's a variant so that doesn't matter. Neither would it being a prototype costume. Bermejo is probably going to draw all his awful uneven webbing over it later. At least he draws people ok I guess.
>>152620746
Todd needs to just leave these fuckers to rot.
>>152618830
Spencer didn't swerve. Marvel forced him to swerve and then he ragequit the book.
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>>152621531
"Saar poland is very naice. Plz visit so we can rape all the white women according to Gwenschizo's plan. No I will not get better at english"
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>>152621519
Given how much of a shit character MJ has become i think it would be a mercy kill if Gwen did come back and killed her.
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>>152619440
Fitting. He looks like a jewish suicide bomber, is photoshopped onto a movie that bombed, and is currently bombing Spider-Man's comics.
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>>152621550
>gwen
Oh you mean Whore™?
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>>152621546
it's time to addmit defeat just be honest Gwen is the one for peter that's why she must return.
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>>152621565
oh do give it up sins past is no longer canon
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>>152618474
>>152618476
>Instead of PaulxMJ it’s PaulxDylan
Paul you sick fuck, Dylan is 12!
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>>152621546
your english is pretty shit also.
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>>152618489
Yeah, it’s not happening. He’s not gonna be Paul 2.0, and Paul is too busy molesting Dylan now.
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>>152618494
>>152618489
just kiss already
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>>152621531
She was a whore since forever though
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>>152618500
WHAT
DID
PAUL
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>>152618533
Not with that art.
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>>152621677
Yeah Peter should be with Gwen.
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>>152621677
technically maryjean is a slut, not a whore
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>>152621677
She dated around. So did Peter.
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>>152621754
Technically the rapist Gwenschizo is an ephebophile not a pedophile.
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>>152621805
She just called the guy a square. Doesn't seem like she is sleeping with the guy.
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>>152618476
Paul is the dad Dylan deserves.
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>>152621819
Technically this is spam and this not a shitpost by the way dumbass.
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>>152621851
pretty sure she did fuck him also.
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>>152618411
While the most interesting thing about the book should be Eddie, technically it is, I find it amusing that what is actually the most engaging aspect is Mary Jane. She laughs in the guy's face after he a makes a tepid attempt to say he maybe, might be interested. This whole event is about giving Peter and MJ a shared adventure so they can NOT get together after. They have already revealed carnage is the mastermind and torment is a goon, so baring any late game twist I'll bet Ricardo and some other red shirt bits the dust . Not much going on her.
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>>152618514
heh
what a silly lil guy
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>>152621951
Paul raped Dylan, he’s Gwenschizo’s hero because they both rape children.
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>>152621970
Paul raped Dylan that’s why he’s your hero you love seeing children getting raped.
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>>152622024
>This whole event is about giving Peter and MJ a shared adventure so they can NOT get together after.
This is what it feels like. Leveling the field to have them as just friends seems to be the running theme.
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Damn so this guy is killing all of Peter’s, Aunt May’s and Eddie’s extended family.
Sucks for them
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Jesus fuck I don't know which is worse the writing or the art.
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>>152622080
It's both, this is a bad comic. Pure slop.
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>>152622076
Hopefully Teresa ends up on the list.
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>>152618494
how is paul planning so sway her back?
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>>152622044
fuck off with the spam.
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>>152622092
She is a Zdarsky charecter so I would expect her to have some plot going on in Armageddon
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>>152622092
She's solicited to appear in an Avengers tie-in story after this, so even if she gets killed it won't stick.
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She fucked logan also,.
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>>152622149
so sad he is still dead.
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>>152618514
What the fuck is the graphic design on this phone
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>>152622165
piss off.
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>>152622149
There’s a rumor that Ultimate Harry comes to the main universe.
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>>152622205
sweet jusice die goblin
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She fucked logan also
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>>152618411
Did the last arc actually get an ending? Pete went into space and never beat the villain that sent him there and is home now
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>>152622237
>His only "proof" is an issue where she explicitly did not fuck Logan.
Gwenschizo may be the biggest idiot on the planet.
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>>152622092
I like Teresa.
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>>152618439
I like this guys spidey but the faces are awful
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>>152622250
she fucked him.
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>>152622240
Kelly seems to be throwing every generic thing he can think of at a dart board to finish up later
Remember Hobgoblin and Itsy Bitsy attacking Peter's workplace?
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>>152622295
Except she didn't, you would know that if you could actually read. But you can't, because you are a retard and failure at life.
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>>152621566
>>152621578
>>152621593
It's afraid.
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>>152622250

He did actually fuck her in this issue where he swapped bodies with Peter.
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>>152622401
You mean in the old Ultimate Spider-Man comic? No, she didn't. That isn't even the same story. Jesus Christ, you are a retard.
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>>152622401
>Gwenschizo gets all of his opinions from illiterate nogs on TikTok.
I fucking knew it.
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Havent been here a bit, will miss USM, this was quite lame setup that only gives us two new things to chew one, kinda lame. But we'll see.
>>152618434
The art here is pretty rough, and the writing just such an attempt at being memey this is kelly to the max.
>>152618442
Man so good to waste time for non charlie wiederman.
>>152618448
I dont love the setup, but its nice that peter hears MJ's messages the most after mays

But also it says a lot that peter doesnt even have much of a life to unravel.
>>152618484
So stupid source of drama aside, i do appreciate MJ defending peter. Ofc kelly will ignore this, but its nice to see.
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>>152618489
This seems like closing the door on it, which we know via gomez. But its done quite sloppliy and in a way where it clearly sets up either something happening here (betting on peter misundesrtanding it cause we need conflict and otherwise everything woudl be resolved in one convo) or its just sloppy trying to get new readers on it.

Also this seems like a bad comedy setup about mj and flash both knowing peter's spider-man but not knowing the other knows.
>>152618514
What a big reveal
>>152621281
Eh from what we know they arent lol
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>>152622080
Its 3 writers in one issue.
>>152622024
I think at most its an attempt to do a spider-island, so peter and mj get a shippy moment but isnt committed to at the end.
>>152618716
I think we all remembred him
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>>152622295
Retarded pedophile.
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>>152618474
>>152618476
…Why the fuck is a grown-ass man going STAY AWAY FROM MY GIRL with Eddie Brock’s teenage son.

Forget Flash and MJ, something VERY wrong is going on between Paul and Dylan.
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>>152619364
It wasn't random people per say. The big death was Eddie Brock's asshole father, who was brought back a couple of years back when Dylan was introduced.

Also, the dead people are distant relatives of Aunt May on her family's side and other members of Eddie's family.
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>>152622216
That was a fake insider shit poster. None of the Ultimate characters are joining the main Marvel Universe.
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>>152622545
They have done the Flash and MJ "we are just friends’ scene like four or five times at this point. They are clearly attempting to keep the idea of the ship up in the air regardless of what the characters are saying right now and it will play a role down the line. I'm not saying anything will happen one way or another, but it is a turn off and extremely tiresome.
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>>152618971
isn't Cletus still in the Symbiote hive?
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>>152622625
I’m seriously going to burst out laughing if we find out Paul was trying to groom Dylan.
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>>152622140
Yeah bub, I'm posting from Madripoor and we're just acquaintances who only have Peter in common. Now I gotta go shish kebab this guy who banned smoking...what was his name again?
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>>152622521
Very cute

>>152622830
They're not setting it up. They're shooting it down as a precursor to MJ shooting down the reader's hopes of getting back with Peter.
It's a consistent theme of her saying that she just came away from one awful relationship and isn't looking for another.
Death Spiral will end as them walking away as just friends and losing the tension of awkward hangouts.
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>>152620621
Flash fucked Betty while she was married to Ned and was Felicia's rebound after she found out Peter was married, going after Peter's sloppy seconds is his thing.
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>>152622625
>>152622889
You both lost, Paul is father of the year, Eddie is a jobless bum.
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>>152623177
and all of the fat, disgusting, degenerate writers and editors are licking their fingers with excited glee.
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>>152620621
>>152623343
>brown retarded zoomer with no friends, let alone girlfriend, acting like his opinion on anything matters
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>>152623343
Since Ewing is a continuity nut I actually do hope that he has Peter or someone else point out in-story how weird it is for Flash to always go after Peter's exes.
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>>152623401
he’s the Jason Todd of Marvel
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>>152623401
It makes a lot of sense when you take the Spider-Man worship in account
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Well, time to pack it up
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>>152623788
Wow, even the artists are not hot about this.
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>>152623788
Ok how can something already be happening?
Is Gomez getting word that the rest of this arc will suck because he found out a plot detail, the sales are already not good, or is he getting canned because of his scandal not too long ago?
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>>152618629
It starts with people with similar sounding names.
Then it moves to distant relatives- Fitzpatrick is Peter's mom's maiden name iirc and starts moving inward. In a spiral.
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>>152624094
Carlos probably only gets the scripts for pages he's going to draw, it's likely he was not aware of this Flash/MJ nonsense.
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>>152624202
He's very much trolling
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>>152624094
I think he is making a joke as his post only references one panel. But he is probably not privy to everything that happened in the arc to avoid spoilers.
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>>152624159
it’s explicitly their family to begin with, hes already murdered multiple Reillys
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>>152622592
SPAM
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>>152621805
She's called Marywhore for a reason.
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>>152624619
Literally no ass
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>>152624627
No shit sherlock
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>>152624353
He's been very vocal about happens and what he said about MJ not wanting to rush into things after Paul was in the issue itself
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the fans want MJ to die
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MJ shouldbe killed off and Gwen brough back.
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>>152624676
that's literally you voting in some random poll lol
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Okay, who upset the pedophile now? Admit it now and apologize to dear Gwenschizo and hopefully he’ll calm down and leave us alone.
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Guys did someone make the child rapist angry? You guys need to stop provoking him, the polish guy is really freaking out right now.
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>>152624712
No one cares about that blacked whore, MJ is way more popular.
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>>152624728
thst's bull and you know it the same person can't voote more then once on the same thing.
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>>152624753
Gwen never did anything wrong unlike MJ
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>>152624787
You just made a big mistake jannies/mods do hate spam.
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>>152624799
>gwen did nothing wrong in those comics i can’t read printed in a language i don’t speak
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>>152624837
Gwen’s black boyfriend took her virginity
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>>152624816
The mods love spam, the love Gwenschizo the child rapist who spams all the time they respect spam they respect Gwenschizo they respect child rapists.
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>>152624839
You well as i know she did nothing her having a back boyfriend means nothing for several reason first it happened before she knew peter second they were shown to have sex with each other and third they can also revel that her black boyfriend was not he appeared to be let's just say he was mysterio in disguse works for me.
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>>152624908
>second they were shown to have sex with each other
Yup Yup. Gwen is a whore. I didnt read the rest of your polebabble.
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>>152624857
No he did not it they were never shown to have sex with each other you have no proof so you lose
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>>152624908
>Gwenschizo hates black people but is okay with white people in blackface.
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>>152618434
Steve Dillon is back?!
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>>152624908
>It’s wrong for Gwen to have sex with a black person but it’s good if she had sex with a white man disguised as a black person.
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>>152624857
I am truly sick of you assholes get it through you thick stupis skulls gwen did nothing wrong. In the MJ ended being the cheater NOT her.
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>>152624908
>Gwenschizo just wants Sins Past to be about Gwen fucking Mysterio in blackface.
What timeline is this? Did I take a wrong turn at Albuquerque?
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This was a little too dark and serious for a Spider-Man crossover.
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>>152624948
She did not have sex with a black person
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>>152624959
Why are you angry about Gwen having sex with a black man, but happy about having sex with a white man pretending to be a black man? Why do you hate black people?
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>>152624975
No it was total shit.
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>>152624977
You said if she had sex with a random white guy instead you’d be okay with it though.
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>>152624959
>posts USM
>where Gwen is a homewrecker who fucks Peter, who was repeatedly described as like a brother to her
>and she’s a soulless carnage clone goth slut who kisses Ganke
Try again
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>>152624993
They did not have sex with each other there is zero proof of that.
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>>152624993
Gwenschizo only hates Norman Osborn because he’s black if Norman Osborn were white he’d love the Green Goblin!
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>>152624975
Making some random dipshit commit bloodline cleansing would be weird even for a Venom story. Peak hack Cates was better than this, all Carnage did there was disturb Annie’s grave, which was infinitely more effective at screwing with Eddie and Dylan. Not only that, but he trimmed the Brock family tree down by retconning Eddie’s sister and uncle. There being this fucking many is just moronic
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>>152625014
Why are you angry at the thought of a black man having sex with a white woman? Do you not like black people? Polish people seem pretty racist…
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>>152625001
But she didn't and even if she did why should anybody it happened before she knew peter.
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>>152625033
give it up asshole they did not have sex with each other,
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>>152622830
Yeah but its ending this with no and mj laughing at the idea. And this is only the third.

I think its here to create tension with peter primarily, need a stupid conflict after all
>>152622953
I assume they'll do a spider-island esque moment too, but eyah that's the most likley ending
>>152624202
He gets the rest of the arc and the stuff after this, unless this ONLY happens outside of ANV its not happening.
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>>152625036
So it’s only the fact that it was a black guy that angers you. Why is that? What makes it wrong if it’s a black guy?
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>>152625036
Sex with zombie MJ
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>>152625031
Fuck off.
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>>152625051
If it were a white man you wouldn’t even care.
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>>152625074
See you like Paul because he’s white and hate Norman Osborn because he’s black it all makes sense now.
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Now that it's over
What did we think of it?
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>>152625065
look buddy show me the page in which they did have sex or piss off. you can't post it since it never happened so you lose.
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Gwencucks, this is your legacy.
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>>152625090
Felt like a fun pastiche of 90's silliness
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>>152625093
Damn, MJ is a good partner. Recognizing that Peter wants to save May and agreeing. That whore Gwen would never save someone besides herself. I’m glad Norman killed her.
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>>152625085
Gwenschizo loved Norman Osborn until he found out he was black in friendly neighborhood then he turned on him. That’s also why the pedophile Gwenschizo was so angry that they turned Ultimate Felicia black. Gwenschizo also really hates Spider-Man for racial reasons too. When Gwenschizo sees a black person he wants to hurt them he wants to kill them he wants to rape them.
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>>152625102
Gwen would have sold Peter's soul to Mephisto. That's just the kind of person she is.
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>>152625085
Do you wanna know something I realy do hope Norman does Bang MJ for I wish to see you cry when it does happen and I have no doubt it will.
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>>152625102
Gwen fucked a black guy like Norman Osborn so in Gwenschizo’s eyes she deserved to die. He can never forgive race traitor whores.
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>>152625121
Would you prefer a white Norman Osborn to fuck MJ or a black Norman Osborn to fuck MJ answer honestly pedophile.
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>>152625102
>That whore Gwen would never save someone besides herself. I’m glad Norman killed her.
Gwen did no wrong and she should not have died.
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>>152625143
>Gwen married Elvis.
I knew she couldn't be trusted!
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>>152625090
Lots of potential wasted because it doesn't actually interact with their current status quos that much
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>>152625139
a white Norman Osborn honest anon,
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>>152625150
What a fucking WHORE I can’t believe that pedophile Gwenschizo likes her.
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>>152625090
Very meh. Andrews' art is hit or miss for me, and this time it was a miss. Also, it straddled a weird continuity that I guess is canon (Shay appears), and makes relatively big things happen (Teresa Parker maybe not being Pete's sister, Mariko and Logan reuniting *again*), but I doubt enough people read this to have it stick.
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>>152625159
So you’re only angry about black men fucking white women. You’re a fucking racist.
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>>152625160
leave Gwen alone she did no wrong
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>>152625172
Gwen did not fuck him.
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>>152625173
I hate Gwen because her biggest fan is the child rapist Gwenschizo that means Gwen is a child rapist JUST LIKE HIM
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My how fast these threads go.
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>>152625182
You’re not just a pedophile you’re a racist too!
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>>152625184
>I hate Gwen
You MJ fans get all the hate you deserve andf that's no shipost. Bear this in mind it was MJ who left peter for paul.
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Gwenschizo would you rape a child that’s black or would you avoid raping black children answer honestly now.
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>>152625197
not a pedophile or a racist.
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>>152625224
knock off with the spam.
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>>152625210
You respect Paul because he’s white and wants to rape Dylan but you hate Norman Osborn because you hate black people and every time you see him you whisper “fucking nigger.”
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>>152625241
I heard Gwenschizo framed some guy with Tourette's at the BAFTA show.
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>>152625241
No I don't
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>>152625253
total bullshit.
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>>152621556
Paulin' Time never ends, baby. Paul Rabin is the future of the Marvel Universe. First character to sell one quadrillion copies.
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>>152625276
Uh-huh, sure it is.
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>>152625278
I think you and me might be the only people who unironically like Paul, and I’m not even sure about you
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I will be honeest with you I will be real glad when this thread is over and soon it will.
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>>152625282
it is really.
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soon this thread will be over.
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Wait I'm confused. Why are Eddie and Carnage talking about Torment already? Did I miss an issue with him already being a thing?
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>>152625286
The unbelievers must be purged. Only those who worship Paul Rabin, the One Above All's favorite son, may remain.
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>>152623390
Always nice to hear from the interns?
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>>152625388
Not really bug off.
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>>152624627
maryCUNT fits better
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>>152625376
They learned about Torment and Paul in the same issue.
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>>152618448
Assuming he didn't sabotage the experiment, Ben did nothing wrong for once. It's a lot easier to explain being a moody bitch than it is to explain being completely missing for a number of months
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>>152625409
Miles fucks and impregnates Gwen in this, btw
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>>152625450
No.
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Why doesn't flash remember who Spider-Man is.
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What should have happened by now.
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>>152625471
His symbiote is working for Knull so he's hiding Peter’s secret like Eddie did.
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>>152621418
I'm mainly just annoyed at how little has been done with Flash knowing. Peter and Flash have spoken maybe two or three times since he came back and one of them as ASM 900. A complete waste of one of the only friends Peter has left at this point
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>>152625481
>Gwen totally would have forgiven Peter for killing her father and wouldn’t have minded at all that he spends all of his time swinging from buildings
Retard. What do you even like about Gwen?
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>>152625471
New to Spider-Man I take it?
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>>152625500
Yes she would have the what if story is proof that Gwen would have forgiven him had he he just be honest with her.
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>>152625481
>implying the portal doesn't actually lead to the blender dimension
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>>152625411
This issue? it reads weird
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>>152625525
what do all the what-ifs of her fucking Miles and bearing his children prove?
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>>152625542
No shit man.
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>>152625565
I will; bed glad when they do kill off MJ and bring back Gwen you MJ fans hate deserve all the hate you get.
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>>152625378
Did he fulfill his destiny, and molest Dylan Brock?
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posting these to piss off the MJ fans.
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>>152625568
I'm just trying to wrap my head around this because Marvel loves to spread this shit out over multiple books and expects us to buy/read all of them. So I guess they just fucking dump the title villain here out of nowhere and expect us to tag along until they explain how the fuck Eddie knows this guy
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>>152625583
Answer the question Polack
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>Schizo continues to fucking infest these threads
>Meanwhile the X-Fags were somehow able to both boot him out and mindbreak him
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>>152625586
nope.
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>>152625601
>I love Gwen so much you guys she would totally wear merchandise of the guy who killed her father
Retard
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>>152625583
I don’t know. Isn’t the Gwenschizo, Gwen’s biggest fan, a child molester?
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>>152625617
I have nothing but deepest respect for X-Men threads unlike spider-man ones but cheer up thread will soon be over.
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>>152625617
It’s because he doesn’t actually like the X-Men.
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>>152625624
that's a fanfic pic you idiot.
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>>152625642
Makes sense for you to like X-Men, you respect pedophiles a lot.
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>>152625641
Not a child d molester
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This was awful. It's time to reboot Marvel and unburden ourselves from the likes of Paul.
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>>152625618
Then Paul’s a loser just like Gwenschizo.
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>>152625642
The OP of those threads outright told you to go jump off a cliff
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>>152625667
Not a pedophile
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>>152625681
Why don't you jump off a cliif or better off bridge I want to see your neck go snap.
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>>152625694
No thanks.
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>>152625491
Where is this stated
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>>152625654
>gwentard ‘fanfic’ is just making her MJ
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>>152625674
>This was awful. It's time to reboot Marvel an
unironically the fans think the only way to fix spider-man is to reboot everything I happen to agree with them
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>>152625727
Gwen should not have died.
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>>152625765
It came to me in a dream
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>>152625808
>>152625832
Why are you posting these? You don’t give a shit about Spider-Man. The only comics you’ve read of him are 60 years out of date and you spend all your time talking about how bad he is and how the love of his life is a whore. Fuck off
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>>152625843
Yes I do and that's why I am posting these peter and Gwen were meant to be wiith each other MJ was a mistake.
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>>152625864
No Gwen allowed, she's outlived her usefulness.
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>>152625819
one of the most seminal moments of the franchise.
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>>152625872
No she has not at any rate better that peter be with her rather then MJ.
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>>152625886
Nope, MJ is the one. Gwen should remain dead in the new timeline.
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>>152625864
Why? Why were they meant to be together? She hated Spider-Man. There’s no getting around that. What-Ifs don’t count.
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>>152625876
Her death was a mistake conway was wrong to do it.
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>>152625902
No, he wasn't. It was the right thing to do. No more Gwens.
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>>152625899
Th What-Ifs showed what would have happened had peter come clean wiith. Bear in mind some What-Ifs did become canon to 616 only in a different manner.
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You know years after the fact I still don't know if this guy is doing an autistic bit or legitimately this broken of a person. In either case its clear he's a mod running rampant with little power
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>>152625910
No he was wrong.
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>>152625944
Nope, he was right.
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>>152625936
Not a mod anon.
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>>152625955
nope.
>>152625936
You know nothing you have no idea what influence I have if you knew who I really was then you be singing a different tune.
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>>152625978
Yep. Also, you are nobody. Just some obese manchild from Poland.
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>>152625978
I KNEW IT YOU’RE A CHILD RAPIST WORKING IN MARVEL YOU AND NICK LOWE AMD TOM BREVOORT YOU’RE ALL PEDOPHILES WORKING TOGETHER YOU ADMITTED IT
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>>152625993
>Yep. Also, you are nobody
No I am not you have no idea who you are fucking with but don't worry someday you will learn.
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>>152625978
>You know nothing you have no idea what influence I have if you knew who I really was then you be singing a different tune.
You assume I care or remotely believe you. But spin your tale, or don't, I'll wait
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>>152626002
Not a rapist.
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>>152626019
Oh you won't have to wait for too long no sir you wil find out soon enough,
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>>152626038
So you actually going to fess up or just continue with the vague larp? Because at least be interesting with the lies, anon
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Setting up MJ/Flash is a new low. I'm not even gonna comment about ASM or Venom anymore because I think that's what Marvel must actively want.
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>>152625932
The what ifs also showed her fucking miles and bearing his children, they don’t prove anything. Explain why you like Gwen.
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>>152626026
You admitted it you DISGUSTING ANIMAL you’re a racist, you’re a rapist and worst of all you’re POLISH
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>>152626047
it's not a lie but rather the truth.
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>>152626066
No such story exists this is spam.
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>>152626068
Which is what? Again you can't even improv. So why should I or anyone be impressed or intimidated by you? You brought it up, so elaborate.
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>>152626067
Not a rapist.
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>>152626081
I prefer to hold my cards close to chest at least for now you will find everything out in the future
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>>152626104
>I prefer to hold my cards close to chest
That implies you have a plan or action that would effect me or anyone here. You clearly don't. Why even lie? You're not believed, you're not scaring anyone, and you're not impressing anybody. It basically comes off as "my dad works at nintendo" but you don't even commit that far because you didn't even have a base script. So I ask what the point even is

What am I supposed to take away from this comment? You tell me
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>>152625495
He comes from a "don't ask, don't tell" mindset.
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>>152626080
Reign 2 and Sitting on a Tree, moron. Answer the question. Why were her and Peter meant to be together?
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>>152626118
>That implies you have a plan or action that would effect me or anyone here.
and there lies the beauty of my plan you will soon suffer very much.
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>>152626124
Because Gwen is a better person compared to MJ that's why.
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>>152626140
You didn't answer my question. Are we supposed to be intimidated, impressed, what? Is the goal just to get me to respond to kill the thread faster?
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>>152626150
She’s a bitch. She’s easily influenced by the media into believing that Spider-Man is bad. She’s nagging and annoying. You haven’t read a single one of her comics
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>>152626156
You are supposed to be afraid.
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>>152626169
No she was the best thing to ever hapen to peter.
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>>152626173
Okay but why should I be? You haven't disclosed anything to incite that reaction from myself or anyone here.
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>>152626169
>She’s a bitch. She’s easily influenced by the media into believing that Spider-Man is bad. She’s nagging and annoying. You haven’t read a single one of her comics
Do you have any idea why Gwen will be appearing in the Spider-Man: Brand New Day movie? simple really by doing so they make it easier to establish her as a character. Thus it gets real easy for them to get rid of MJ in the 616 comics and pave the way the return of 616 Gwen the rumors are true she will be in the movie.
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I love how he just stopped responding to me when I asked simple questions because he can't think of anything
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>>152626202
That's because thge whole is meant to be a supirse that's why sadly you won't like what's inside the parcel once it opens.
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>>152626260
I do know these threads make /co/ a worse place.
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>>152626273
>Parcel
So you want to somehow sue everyone in this thread that calls you out for being dumb? Or wait, I hope you're not implying that you are mailing something physically harmful. Because yeah that's a big no no.
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>>152626296
>So you want to somehow sue everyone in this thread that calls you out for being dumb?
No I have other and bigger plans.
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cheer up now mates thread is almost over hahaha.
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>>152626322
I’ll make a new thread when this one ends.
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>>152626312
So you are threatening us with physical harm by mailing something illegal? That's reportable.
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>>152626336
lol this already been storytimed make another one today and you may get banned for flooding the board.
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>>152626342
No i meant something else.
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>>152626015
Translation: You're no one at all.
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>>152626232
>He thinks Jean Grey is Gwen.
Lol, no.
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>>152626348
Yeah I’ll just make a thread linking this one for people who want to talk about this after you go to sleep. It’s fine. If you want to stick around just don’t sleep for a while.
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>>152626350
Which you refuse to elaborate on. So if you're not suing or threatening physical harm, you have nothing. Or what's more likely is that you got scared when you realized what you larp entailed and the repercussions, so now you're backpedaling.

At worst, you're just fishing for attention and trying to sage the thread faster. That's not a "gotcha" mind you, I don't really care. I just wanted to see what lies you would try to spin, and you can't even entertain us
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>>152618425
The artist and colourist in this book are so bad it genuinely made me think the art was done by ChatGPT at times
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>>152618489
Going from that concept and that dialogue and that art to someone hanging themselves is very fitting
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>>152626577
Kek.
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>>152618489
So now MJ is everyones hoe????
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>>152626587
They pretty much put the brakes on the whole thing and said neither of them were interested right now. Flash isn’t going to be your Paul 2.0.
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>>152626376
anon it is currently 7pm in the us amd 1 am in europe most americans prefer to watch tv right now and as for europe motr people are in bed right nobody will give a shit abot your thread.
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>>152626609
Not really. The late night threads are fine and very active, it’s only the Gwenschizo guy that’s a problem. He’s a pedophile and people think he’s weird and creepy. Sorry if you’re in Europe. You could just stay awake longer.
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>>152626623
Holy FVCK, Miles is so goddamn STRAIGHT
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>>152626587
Yes she fucks everyone.
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>>152626639
Gwen really does. What a WHORE.
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>>152626631
lol the later it gets the less active they get the americans will soon hit the night clubs to get their kicks.
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spider-man sucks
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>>152626644
We meant MJ you idiot.
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>>152626669
Yeah you are right i urge to to read something else not a shitpost.
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>>152626644
You MJ fans truly do deserve the worst you get your hate for Gwen is truly unbelievable you shit on her for no reason.
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I have just about had enough of you MJ fans as do others.
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>>152626731
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>>152626749
Damn, Gwen is such a whore, trying to steal MJ’s boyfriend
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>>152626760
Gwen did nothing wrrong you MJ fans deserve all the hate you get.
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>>152626755
MJ is for the streets
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>>152626577
LOL
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>>152626795
poor harry,
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>>152626770
*SNAP*
Good riddance dead whore
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>>152626809
>*SNAP*
>Good riddance dead whore MJ
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>>152626815
Except MJ is alive and Gwen is dead, forgotten about, replaced with Spider-Gwen, and Peter has forgiven and befriended her killer.
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>>152626815
Yes MJ is better off dead.
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>>152626822
Not for much longer she soon MJ will be dead and Gwen will be back among the living.
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>>152626836
never, ever, ever, lol.
Spider-Gwen >>>> Gwen
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>>152626822
No neeed to worry about norman pretty sure they plan to kill him off soon
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>>152626855
they just gave him a miniseries and he’s now starring in Iron man. Wrong again.
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>>152626838
>never, ever, ever, lol.
Yes it wiill MJ is destroyed forever as a character so she either dies or gets wriiten out and then Gwen will live again,
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>>152626868
The miniseries will wrap up before ASM 1000 and thar's when he will die.
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>>152626886
And join Gwen in the afterlife? Yeah, I can see that. They can raise their children in Heaven together.
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>>152626887
No his blood will bring abou tthe revival of Gwen that's the plan
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End thread it's over.
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>>152626868
He's just going to show up, call himself an Avenger to get on Tony's nerves, and job to the new mystery box Iron Patriot.
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>>152626915
New thread is here: >>152627102
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>>152627111
When do you think Gwenschizo will realize that spamming threads to kill discussion is both futile, and retarded?

Probably never.
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No one buys the fake internet tough guy act, sameschizo. It's always just you.
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>>152627146
Let's see now 8pm in the us am 2 am in europe oh yeah I am sure your thread will gets loads of traffic right now. fucking idiot you choose the wrong time to make a new one.
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>>152627193
what makes you think 2 autistic people couldn’t be here at the same time
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>>152618412
uh ohh
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>>152618474
PAUL IS TORMENT???



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