How would you fix Ms. Marvel? Is Kamala doomed to stay an X-Men?
>>152621977Joshua as her LI.
>>152621977Attaching her to any other group was a mistake from the start. She should have been some horrible science misfortune.
Teenage pregnancy storyline (I'm the father)
>age up to 19 for college>return to classic outfit or the Tokon look>let her bust and butt be slightly more prominent but covered>open door for more serious relationships with either Bruno or a new love interest (her MJ vs Felica)>allow for the Champions to reform under her leadership >keep focus on smaller scale stories instead of mutant struggles, space nonsense, or multiverse slop>find artists that make her look visually appealing instead of the flat millennial core artistsMarvel please let me write her i love her so much. Been love at first sight since her first comic came out
>>152621977Let Kamala have fun with her powers like Plastic Man
Moving Kamala away from the fun, mostly contained street level shit that made her work despite everything in the first place was a mistake. The execs at Marvel took her success to mean that we wanted her to be involved in bigger things, but they didn't realise what made her successful was how low stakes and fun her stories were. Hell, they made the same mistake with the MCU, even. They cast a likable Marvel fangirl who people liked and then proceeded to ruin her immediately by trying to pull her into bigger stories and connect her to mutants.
>>152622904>Kamala shapeshifting into Captain America's shield hoping she can feel his strong handsShe'd be a cute pervert
>>152623074Wait until she turns into Thor's hammer
>>152622859I trust this guy
>>152621977By putting this crappy DEI token back in the grave and giving back the titlte of Miss Marvel to Carol Danvers
>>152621977She’s 18 now.It’s time for her to be haram just like Sana was when she was 18.
>>152622904But that would look wierd for her MCU version. Think of the shareholders, anon
>>152622859Isn't the Tokon look just her classic look?
>>152623632Thank you anon>>152624343Its close. I like the extra gold, baggy sleeves, and her wild hair
>>152621977Give her a movie!
>>152621977Stop trying to make her the next big thing. She has been given a push no other character ever got especially relative to her success, or rather lack thereof. She was given every chance in every medium and more budget than most third world countries entire gpd. She got her 200 million game, 150 million show, 300 million movie and countless comics and merch, you can say you did all you could for Queen and country.Just accept she’s a tiny, niche character with niche appeal who isn’t going to ever be popular enough to be a big name and she’ll be fine. She’ll never be a Wolverine or Thor, and that’s fine. Not every character will be no matter how much money and promotion and effort you put into it. You can’t force popularity and by fucking god they tried, just let her be a smaller character in smaller stories who does small things and maybe gets to show up for an event to do something cool once in a while. She got more chances than any other character in history, please stop and let her be the small scale one she was clearly meant to be.
>>152622859Aside from some sexual things I'm mostly for this.
>>152625266>rather lack thereof. She was given every chance in every medium and more budget than most third world countries entire gpd. She got her 200 million game, 150 million show, 300 million movie and countless comics and merch, you can say you did all you could for Queen and country. She got nowhere near that hard to push she did never got a single video game to herself no The Avengers video game that didn't even feature her in the initial trailer doesn't count she's been on superhero big number Marvel heroes video not a Ms Marvel video games. way of getting themselves kill she got one limited series on Disney plus that like the last five shows before it had lower ratings than the previous one and other MCU TV shows after her had lower ratings than hers did sometimes she was featured in other superhero Cartoons but those do not count as her having a show when she's a guest calendar or part of a Avengers team when the show was already basically done. Also she's been in one movie the Marvels and people were yelling online at people don't watch it you need to watch3 different things that you actually didn't need to watch before in order to understand it but no there was no evidence you need to watch the first Captain Marvel movie or The Ms Marvel TV show or Wanda Vision to watch and understand what was going on. not to mention no she never had anywhere near countless comics I don't know how you qualify much but dude you are exaggerating way too hard when you can count on one hand a number of these things she actually got for multiple things you listed as over a hundred.
>>152625333> She got nowhere near that hard to push she did never got a single video game to herself Oh yeah those avengers sure dragged her down. > way of getting themselves kill Either anon had a stroke or he’s retarded and you can stop reading right here. The rest is saying how a 150 million show all about her doesn’t count because other shows also failed and the 300 million bomb doesn’t count because she’s only part of it
>>152625405The problem with the Avengers video game wasn't the IP but the fact that it was a Pay to Win basic mobile game disguise as an actual game you buy doing the practices in video gaming in order to cheap out money from people without making an actual good product. Also do you judge every IP based on how successful they were in one movie especially when people were trying to prepare it for failure by saying don't watch it unless you watch three different things that you actually did not need to see from different places and stuff in order to understand the basics of it. Because I tell you people hear what tell me you had to see the first Captain Marvel movie and also the Scarlet Witch TV so on Disney plus along with kamala's TV show also on Disney plus to understand any of it even after the movie came out and I told people clearly I didn't see two of those things and you didn't need to in order to understand the film people will still yelling at as a reason not to see the film unless you did or you would not be able to understand it.
>>152625333I can’t even ask if this is AI, AI is too advanced for this many spelling errors and nonsensical statements, so I’m forced to assume you’re just a ms marvel fan and thus brain dead
>>152621977Have her make out with Boom-Boom
>>152621977How much does she still act Kamala since since she joined the X-Men?Has she become a typical mutan obsessed with mutant issues or is she still a superhero fangirl who makes fanfiction?
>>152625451> Also do you judge every IP based on how successful they were in one movie eWhen it’s their first one and coming off an unpopular tv show, yeah? How the fuck else would I judge it? I know that one guy memes but are you unironically going we need to give her another 200+ million movie to make doubly extra super sure it won’t work this time? Are you retarded?> especially when people were trying to prepare it for failure by saying don't watch it unless you watch three different things that you actually did not need to seeThat is not in any of the marketing, but she was and surprise! Didn’t work.> will still yelling at as a reason not to see the film unless you did or you would not be able to understand it.Even if I believed this, and I’m pretty skippy this is not a reason for why it failed, wouldnt this be a problem for any future movie with her? Any movie past this would be hit with the same “you need to see the show that few people watched to get it”, right?So… even by your own standards a movie with her would’ve failed?
>>152625538I have Asperger's that's not the same as retarded as an outdated diagnosis that is just an insult now. And I was a film in the MCU with a lot of Destruction and it wasn't just her film and every MCU TV so was doing was and worse and it did so after her TV show so why not blame anything on the fact that it was an MCU so on Disney Plus and that's just not a good way of showing off your IP. I never said that the people yelling that wasn't any of the marketing but it shows how was here And I wouldn't say that had zero impact on people decide to see the movie or not. Also you're acting like I'm demanding some other movie or something I'm not doing that I never said anything like that and you seem upset with the idea that she might be featured in another one whatsoever. Like your invested that failed and that you don't see any more of her again I don't understand that she has fans just because you're not one of them doesn't mean that she doesn't have any.
>>152625287She should be like every other teenage hero after a decade or so. Let them grow and be adults, including acknowledging they have sex.
>>152625581> have Asperger's that's not the same as retarded Well glad we cleared that up.> that is just an insult now. You don’t say.> And I was a film in the MCU with a lot of Destruction You were? Wow.> and every MCU TV so was doing was and worse and it did so after her TV show so why not blame anything on the fact that it was an MCU so on Disney PlusBecause there were more successful ones after, a lot more successful?> And I wouldn't say that had zero impact on people decide to see the movie or not.Gonna say it’s not a 100 million difference.> Also you're acting like I'm demanding some other movie or something It is a little hard to follow you.> Like your invested that failed and that you don't see any more of her againI don’t see her now, very few people do.> she has fans Cool. Not a lot of you guys though so maybe I dunno my suggestion of just keep her in smaller stuff that will do better relative to her tiny niche audience might be better?Just a thought
>>152625528she is the mutant messiah now. cable saw that kamala will become a future president and unite mutants & humans.
>>152621977Focus on her solo comics and develop her villains
>>152625875Is that supposed to be a reference for the X-Men future Wolverine go comic with this happen?
>>152621977>How would you fix Ms. Marvel?Carol is Ms Marvel again, and is back in the role of being a C-list cheesecake character in a swimsuit who marries her own son. Kamala dies on the way back to her home planet and is never mentioned again.
>>152621977putting her on the shelf might help. It seems to have actually work for the Inhumans. Most people see them as victims of Feige and Ike fighting and people were actually hype about a potential inhuman Hickman book.
They need to go back to her humble roots. Right she is literally being called the most important mutant ever and cable claimed she was going to single handily end racism between mutants and humans. That is stupid and excessive. People hate the new mutant shit but I bet they would be way more receptive without the above shit and if she was back in her normal setting and not making mutants the center of her world.
>>152625528
>>152626842What?
They're doubling down on deeply involving her with the X-Men and they're not scaling that back anytime soon, meaning she's going to have to deal with the ire of multiple X-men subgroups that don't want her being pushed to the front of other longer established characters.>>152626099It's a mix of them being done dirty by multiple parties on top of the fact that the current crop of Avengers/X-Men shit just feels like the wheels are spinning and nothing interesting is happening. Even though Imperial reintroduced them back into the cosmic stage, Marvel also seems to be greatly scaling back anything cosmic-related, so either they're going to be shelved again or they're going to get more involved with Earth going forward. I do find it funny that they're being looked at a lot more fondly than when they were basically spat on just before they were basically killed off.
>>152621977Have her be an actual oppressed victim of a hardline hardcore Muslim family who escapes them and immigrates properly to America. No one wants to deal with how fucked it is but try to lie and say it's a different culture and not actually that bad. But I've known women who escaped shitholes like that growing up and even now.
>>152625132Who to direct?
>>152621977I miss early Kamala
She's ruined. Her point was a fangirl who ends up with superpowers, so she mimics her fave heroes and does street level shit. Now she's met and teamed up with the heroes she admited, her arc is complete.
>>152630108We all do.
>>152621977Have her inflate like a balloon.
>>152630108The artist also disappeared from the face of Earth
>>152621977Make her hunger for "infidel meat" more of a crippling addiction, to the point that she unconsciously embiggens around non-muslim men, breasts and butt going plump and squeezable as her cheeks burn in embarrassment.
>>152621977Build on the success of Tokon
>>152621977Literally the same thing that Marvel needs to do in order to fix every fucking character they have. GOODSTORIESThat's it.
>>152621977> Don't shy away from identity politics.> Really entertaining writing.> Unique artistic style.> Did I mention it was entertaining?There's no way the first Shine book will ever catch on again. Marvel didn't know what to do with the character, and now she's entered X-Men limbo.
>>152622904>Let Kamala have fun with her powers like Plastic ManThis. Why did they nerf her?
>>152621977Kamala's pretty much the only explicit woke character that worked. Unfortunately like all characters, no one at Marvel knows what to do with her.
>>152632849 But do we know what they should do with her?
>>152632868Yes, and I don't think she has to stop being an X-Man to be good. Honestly I think X-Men in general need a common sense renaissance wherein all world governments realize that treating mutants like things to be killed or exploited has only brought about death and destruction. Thus, they're given citizen protections.But we all know Marvel. They'll just have yet another mass mutant murder (i.e. Third Hellfire Gala), another mass mutant resurrection, and nothing will ever progress.
>>152621977Perlmutter took a bloody, prolapse-inducing, worm-infested diarrhea dump on the Inhumans, trying to hype them up as the substitute X-Men only to crash and burn when their live action series bombed.
>>152622859Pretty much this, she was perfect back then
>>152625528She still act like herself>>152625938Yes
>>152630495This.
>>152633052Perlmutter: “People are stupid. They’ll never know the difference.”
>>152621977Death of Kamala ruined her.They should have never made her into a mutant
>>152621977She's ruined beyond all hope of salvage at this point. The only thing left is getting killed off permanently.
>>152630495>>152633521Finally, Anons of vision
just put her in Rivals
>>152634645How would she be different from Reed?
>>152634761Give her a wrecking ball mode>>152633521
>>152634404Unfortunately see >>152633052Perlmutter's taint destroyed the Inhumans' rep.
>>152634872What?
>>152630495>12 years in>Kamala has never embiggened her tits or assMost unrealistic thing about her. What teenage girl wouldn’t enhance herself if she could?
>>152622859This is a bad idea. Not necessarily for Kamala, but for the wider impact. They've already established Kamala and Miles as the same age, and they've been paired together since Waid's Avengers. Aging one ages the other. Miles should stay in high school for a little while longer.
>>152635613Kamala is a devout halal Muslim and would not steep to such debauchery
>>152635970>>152635613>>152622859 Kamales is probably going to be a virgin until her wedding night but oh boy is that going to be a fun night?
>>152636570Won’t Red Dagger start making her cover her entire body?
>>152621977I get the push for Inhumans as the new X-Men was retarded but why did they have to wipe out all inhumans and retcon the few remaining Inhumans to being Mutants all along.
>>152636590Actually I think they only made Kamala into a mutant and she's also still Inhuman, her stretchy powers off from being inhuman but she's now an inhuman mutant Muslim Pakistani I think superhero.
>>152636609Pretty sure byvthis point, all trace of Inhumanity is gone from her. She's mutant and only mutant.
>>152635613if you already you know you can do something, you don't feel the need to do it
>>152634617>>152634761>>152634797Make it an AOE move.
>>152635613Isn't that like the first thing she does when she gets her powers?
>>152624671I do not like the sleeves. Looks like her dress is much shorter though, I do like that
>>152636583Why can Red Dagger do that?
>>152632849>Kamala's pretty much the only explicit woke character that worked.>Has bombed in literally every medium it is possible to bomb in outside of a fucking stage play>*Worked*Just because you liked one of her comics doesn't mean she ever actually succeeded in any medium.
>>152621977I would make her a fatty and make sure every artist gives her a proper schnoz.
>>152621977>How would you fix Ms. Marvel?Step 1.>All that Kamala is super important shit is revealed to be fake and we toss it in the bin. It's idiotic, everyone knows it's idiotic, it isn't going to endear anyone to her and frankly she's nowhere near a big enough character to be anywhere near that level of assumed importance. It is really, really hard to argue against people calling her a DEI character when she does fucking nothing impactful and yet somehow we're expected to believe she's the most important person ever in the future. Quit this backwards engineering shit and figure out how you're going to get her there if she has to get there at all, don't give her a super special endgame and then decide how you're going to make it there. Every complaint about her being a pet character who's pushed for woke points is too valid, undo that shit and work up to it.>Get her back to smaller street level stuffShe clearly is not making it in the big leagues and that's fine, Daredevil did all his best stuff street level too. Go where she worked out best and build back up from there.>Cut it out with the heavy handed stuff in the teamup book.It didn't work. It's never going to work. Stop trying to make it work and give us fun characters first, not "Worse Captain Planet". We have Captain Planet and he wasn't exactly the harbinger of a new wave of environmental activism, please stop dreaming a worse story will do real world change and focus on the story.>For the love of god give her a decent villain.She is 12 years old. She's almost as old as the MCU itself, and she doesn't have a single major memorable villain.It's simple and it's easy but it will require accepting that she wasn't the success they tried to force so it'll never happen, get ready for more shit as they rage against you not reading her or watching her media or playing her in that doomed tokon game.
Bring back Kaboom as her arch enemy.
>>152630665Really? Nothing about the reason?
>>1526219771. Don't let her be in team series.2. Make a teen team series.3. Make a Kamala solo series about how she's stuck doing Jersey things in Jersey while other kids her age are off doing team things.
>>152638398>2. Make a teen team series.They did. Champions.It did not go well. For anyone.
>>152638486Take Kamala out of it and things would improve.
>>152621977> Be Carol.> People only know that she was raped.> She was replaced by a token black character.> Later, she was “successfully” rebooted.> People forgot about her.> Another token non-white character.One thing these two tokens have in common is that they were better characters than Carol, especially Kamala.
>>152636570>Kamala in tears as she tells me we can't have sex until marriage >ask her why she can't just let me do anal>turns out none of her smut features anal>pain-free due to her powers>have endless doggystyle and blowjobs until our wedding night
>>152621977get rid of the shitty MCU powers for one
>>152639987>get rid of the shitty MCU powers for oneShe got the MCU powers in the comics ?
>>152630108schnoz Kamala will always be best Kamala
>>152642160Kamala needs a confederate flag bikini
>>152641004Yeah. Originally they were supposed to replace her stretchiness, but fan outcry and pushback from Imran Vellani herself stayed Marvel's hand. Now she has both.
>>152621977Stop forcing her onto different projects
>>152621977keep her street level and make her a troll that annoys the legitimate heros while failing upwards. Also age up her to 18 so its safe to do body humor with her powers.
more hypnosis scenes
>>152644654What?
>>152644654How does she keep getting into these situations?
>>152644654Need to see her hypnotized into a 50s housewife
>>152630665>>152637873NTA, but personally I think Marvel became too cheapskate with Alphona. Guy co-created Runaways with Vaughan and give it distinctive style to Ms. Marvel so it's not like opportunities are scarse to him.
>>152647395Why?
>>152649276It would give me an erection
>>152621977Is her Muslim identity still relevant to her?she could be your average Black/Latina girl at this point.
>>152642186I miss her big nose, it was cute
>>152621977BUMP
>>152625287normal people start having relationships during or after puberty. unless we want to make her special snowflake asexual, it's fucking weird for her not to want romance especially for someone that moonlights as a fanfiction writer.
>>152636570most girls saving themselves don't watch naughty videos to get an idea of what to do, and the apprehension is going to make her cooch tougher to penetrate than fort knoxI'm guessing it's going to be horrifying especially if she's also losing her virginity to a virgin
>How would you fix Ms. Marvel?You can't?>Supposedly she was originally intended to be a Mutant but made an Inhuman then made a Mutant.>Featured the largest modern character marketing push outside of Miles Morales, with retailer incentives for both the direct market and the book market.>When those forced ordering incentives ended her book tanked, her trade sales weighted towards volume 1, literally the first trade, and outside of this the volume 1 drop off was massive, even taking into consideration usual drop offs.>Her first series hit cancellation levels, her subsequent series were lower.>Pair her with Inhumans, it doesn't do well, pair her with the X-Men or Avengers, it doesn't do well, pair her with other young heroes and Cyclops, outside of hardcore shippers no one cares.>Have her as the plucky young hero in the Avengers Square Enix game, game is bad and fails, not her fault but still.>Have her in the Marvel Rising cartoon, it fails.>Her show retcons everything about her and becomes the lowest viewed Disney+ offering and Willow, which was scorched earthed from Disney+, beat it in views.>Have her in The Marvels, despite being probably the best part of the movie, it is the biggest MCU bomb and one of the worst movies.>Kill her off in Spider-Man comics, do some retcons.>NYX, doesn't do well, have her appear in X-Men's history, doesn't do well.>Put her in Marvel Zombies and other cartoons, no one cares.>99% of Kamala readers read her first few issues in that first trade and nothing else, she has had the largest modern marketing push of any character, outside of Miles, but has been nothing but failures, MCU synergy attempts and changes.>Supposedly she was completely about the MCU remit that Kevin Feige forced onto the comics and she was originally a producer's baby.>Nevertheless people will continually say she can be fixed by going back to basics, you mean back when they heavily pushed and subsidised her?How not to handle a character.
I don't really believe you can fix Kamala as her entire concept is basically Marvel leftovers>Name was Carol's originally >High school hero trope has been done before like with Ultimate Spidey>Powers, at least the original set, was just a lesser Mister Fantastic mixed with Ant-ManThe only reason she got traction at the start was due to collective self-congratulatory back patting over her Muslim roots. Now she's just thrown on X-Men and doomed to be forgotten. Same can be said about Gwenpool
>>152652590>Powers, at least the original set, was just a lesser Mister Fantastic mixed with Ant-ManShe was fucking Plastic Man-level before they nerfed her hard in her first year.
>>152623062>The execs at Marvel took her successIn 2018 they bragged about her selling 500,000 trade paperbacks. If you average this across the 9 volumes that is 60,000 per volume. Not amazing numbers, some pretty shit books can hit similar numbers, but not bad numbers right? In actuality more than 50% of the 500k was volume 1. Several of those later volumes sold pretty badly. But here is the thing, ordering her comic had Marvel eating the cost because Marvel wanted to push the character so volume 1 was heavily subsidised in the DM and book market. So Marvel would go to shops, hip new Marvel character and if you order x amount you get an even larger discount. So while this initially did sell, to call it a success ignores the inflated issue of incentivising these sales. Outside of the incentives she droped like a lead balloon.>>152652590>I don't really believe you can fix Kamala as her entire concept is basically Marvel leftoversKamala is young hero ala Spider-Man and was created because Kevin Feige had a remit based on MCU need:>Originally they wanted to replace heroes in the MCU by changing actors ala James Bond.>This changed because of RDJ's popularity etc.>Feige said they needed new younger diverse heroes and replacement heroes because this would fit the MCU needs, younger actors would give them more movies potentially.>People like Bendis (who was on the Marvel Creative Committee, then got kicked off for stealing ideas) knew which way the wind was blowing on adaptations and started making diverse characters.>2010s Marvel comics began the Feige remit.>Replacement heroes appeared: Sam Wilson Cap/Amadeus Cho Hulk/Fem Thor/Riri Ironheart. >At the same time older heroes made before the remit like the Young Avengers were pushed more.>Miles Morales and characters like Ms Marvel were created.>So MCU synergy demanded young heroes and replacements so they could cast new people in the MCU to be in movies for longer.
>>152652722>remit based on MCU need:Just for context, TV shows or adaptations influencing comics isn't new either:>Stan Lee only made She Hulk because he was worried the Incredible Hulk TV show could make a She Hulk, like how Six Million Dollar Man had the Bionic Woman, then they wouldn't necessarily own the She Hulk character.>Barbara Gordon Batgirl was only introduced to the comics because the TV executives wanted a new female Batman counterpart character for season 3 to appeal to a different demographic.
>>152652722Anon Kamala was created 3 years after Miles
>>152652814I know. What's your point? That contradicts nothing I said. Read:>People like Bendis knew which way the wind was blowing on adaptations.Miles was made because of Bendis' knowledge before the remit became fully entrenched at Marvel. The character remit of the 2010s was absolutely about MCU issues. Ms Marvel was one of the most obvious examples and happened later because she had massive push and producer involvement in her creation. The 2010s had this remit, hence why we had stuff happen over several years.
bump
>>152642673>pajeeta woman with a confederate flag bikiniglad I'm not as retarded as you anon
>>152639987This
>>152621977>>152621977Every time she uses her powers there's a 25% percent chance she summons a buff white guy who rapes and cums inside her.
>>152635588Perlmutter ruined Inhumans because he couldn’t get the X-Men or Fantastic Four from FOX. Thus the old ballsack pushing the Inhumans down fans' crawholes. The end result was an landfill inferno with Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl and the Royal Inhumans as the only survivors and Disney buys FOX anyway making Perlmutter's efforts all for fucking nothing.
>>152655327Marvel is already doing this
Bump for my wife
>>152621977Give her Carol's old costume
>>152630495too much..
>>152661665>>152662634hot
>>152649653Her Muslim identity is non-existent, same for any “Muslim” born and raised in New Jersey.
>>152655327faggot spotted
>>152666032mogged
>>152632830To hard to implement in the MCU live action Even though everything is fully done with cgi these days
>>152621977Can't fix perfection!
>>152666514If they can do Reed and Groot they could do this
>>152621977She was fucked the second they stuck her on the Avengers. Her main charm was being that non-epic level dorky girl fighting villains in her own neighborhood and occasionally she ran into some popular well known hero and freaked out over it.
>>152621977>How would you fix Ms. Marvel?- Revert her back into an Inhuman- MCU powers suck. Should have been her older brother since we saw it near the end of the first volume-Get her out of the X-Men & back to doing solo street hero stuff- More stories of her & her friends, & the community she's part off- Show off some cute High School or College drama- Less crossovers & teams up. Too much of it takes much attention away from her- Give her a love interest that's more interesting. Either Develop Red Dagger more, or just bring in Joshua Richardson & develop him as he finds his journey at redemption, & maybe becomes a revert. Or just bring in that alien prince Cheb Hura & make him Space Conan
>>152654535Kamala's not Indian though
>>152669778>>152622859These are good ideas but I think we should put some emphasize on her cuteness with shapeshifting shanagins and cheesecake.
