>there is no western comic book that reached pic related level of creativity and coolness in fight scenes
>>152680830I always thought Earth X's big final battle between Galactus and The Celestials had some cool scenes.
>>152680830I mean, most manga/anime can't, it's why Naruto is well known and something like Buso Renkin is obscure. Don't know why you're trying to make it an East vs West thing.
>>152680830Kys, faggot.
>>152680830It's a damn shame too. This could be a possibility, but not enough people give a shit.>>152680920There are a few cool fights here and there, but not nearly enough considering overwhelming saturation of the genre.>>152680955There are many manga, not all of them super well known, with similar creative and cool fights.
Is there a name for this demographic that only "consumes" shonenshit and capeshit, but in this very secondary way where they don't really engage with the actual source material(s) at all?
>>152681229Normies.
>>152680830The business model for American comics doesn't allow this
>>152680830What do we do?
>>152680920Tony's Selfish Giant part is one of my favorites.
>>152682484suggests something is wrong with the model, no? It's sort of ridiculous to not be able to artistically flex from time to time for a visual medium largely revolving around action
>>152681229Hood weeb, but you can't say it without twitter calling you a racist.
>>152681229/v/
>>152683489But you are a racist
>>152683486>It's sort of ridiculous to not be able to artistically flex from time to time for a visual medium largely revolving around actioni think what happens is that the west, people get too caught up on the logic/realism or intent behind something which causes them to refrain from doing any ambitious looking artwork I remember a thread a while that was talking about how western shows refuse to use any perspective shots or use different camera techniquesAnd some anons responses were because the scene didn't call for it
>>152680830Cant you people start posting actual good manga atleast instead of shit made for 12 year old boys
>>152680830You have to look for it.
>>152683977Stfu, weak faggot >>152683784Cope
>>152680830Does Radiant count as a western comic book? It's French.
>>152681229Hood weebs, essentially any and all persons who picked up anime during or after covid.
>>152684020this is manga
>>152684001This looks really fucking bad
>>152684032It's called bande dessinée you uncultured swine.
>>152680830Yeah, western comic books got better
>>152684003You are trying too hard
>>152684001Can't even tell whats happening here
>>152684192No
>>152684032Do you really think so? Well then, go post it on /a/.
>>152681229Capeshit varies depending on the writer, but this is absolutely what shonen is about, dont get confused now. Unless its moreso seinen pretending its shonen like HxH or Vinland Saga
>>152684248>seinen pretending its shonen like HxH or Vinland Saga
God bless Tony Valente for creating Radiant and shutting up all weeaboos forever with their east vs west faggotry
>>152681229Like others said hood weebs, but you could also include tiktoktards (basically teenagers) that app is designed for shallow and quick content, so people that use it can only engage with media in the most shallow of ways. It’s why the worst posts on this site usually come from iPhone too
>>152684020>>152684139>>152684243>>152684303This looks like ass compared to the one in the OP.
>>152684351>faggot OP has faggot opinionswe know
>>152684368I'm not OP nor a faggot, but I have eyes.
>>152684384You are clearly a faggot with shit taste, very common disease on 4chan.
>>152684384Get your eyesight checked because Tony's art is fantastic, and I say this as a huge weeb myself.
>>152684413Nah.>>152684424>I say this as a huge weeb myself.Is that supposed to count for something? You're clearly not qualified.I see you stopped posting completed pages.
>>152684424His style is really good but art alone isn't enough. OP pic is impressive because of the context. Madara was a huge meme for a reason.
>>152684451I'm not going to start an argument with someone who's clearly wrong. Between shonen manga, Radiant is better than Naruto. You can think otherwise and you would be wrong.
>>152683479Leave it to the billionaire to buy the world a little more time.
>>152684482>OP pic is impressive because of the contextIf you don't know the context, that just means you've never read Radiant. It's free and up to date on Mangadex.
>>152684482But also, the art is significantly better.>>152684486I KNOW that's not the case.
>>152684424>Ripping off Invincible
>>152684513You don't know shit, fag.
>>152680830>pic related level of creativity This is basic bitch fantasy ninja shit. You only think it's unique because of how uncultured you are. You're like a baby who's never seen that cone with colored rings becore and think it's the most mesmerizing and interesting thing in the world
>>152684602>Basic ninja shit>NinjaThere is nothing "ninja" about Naruto, retard
>>152684493Hell yeah brother
>>152684560Based retard>>152684617Sure thing, glue-muncher
>>152684451>you stopped posting completed pagesJust say that you want more, always happy to post cool stuff on /co/. Torque is cool.
>>152684020>>152684139>>152684243>>152684303>>152684424>>152684661>Not a single interesting design No wonder why no one know about this.
>>152684661The question is: why isn't this as good as Naruto or other big battle shonen manga? What's missing?He obviously has some skill, but none of his pages look as good. Is it a lack of assistants?
>>152684697We aren't talking about your webcomic, anon.
>>152684698It’s about on par with most lower range manga action.Naruto is, despite criticisms, popular for a reason. It’s a better example of action manga and this recognized as such. Most manga wouldn’t achieve its level of popularity or have the skill behind it.
>>152684741My webcomic will be HUGE
>>152683489Thanks I'll call them nigger weebs instead.
>>152684864>It’s about on par with most lower range manga action.Yeah, that seems about right.
>>152684697Wrong, faggot
>>152680830Wrong I hate all the east vs west shit though cause this guy is a huge weeb like me too. I found a hidden tetsujin 28 head pop out of shark guts in this issue.
>>152680830Naruto wasn't all that great. Compared to its contemporaries it played things too safe and didn't bother to challenge or redefine what manga could be. And someone really should have told Kishimoto to stop using those god awful markers to color his manga. They're fucking trash that makes his art look even worse.
>>152684890
>>152684864You mean something like Fairy Tail and Eyeshield 21? That's still insanely popular, anon. And I named those two specifically because Mashima and Murata are fans of Radiant.
>>152680830K6BD, when Abbadon is going hard instead of sticking his head up his ass.
>>152684913Storytime I guess.
>>152681171>There are many manga, not all of them super well known, with similar creative and cool fights.Not with the hype, aura, and iconic clear choreography that Naruto does. Otherwise, they'd be as popular as Naruto.
>>152684913
>>152684937Fuck off, Narutard; go back to being insulted on /a/.
>>152681229Secondaries.
>>152684899Naruto was way more entertaining than Bleach tho. The most iconic things about Bleach were the pages without backgrounds.
>>152684698>why isn't this as good as Naruto or other big battle shonen manga?It is though? /co/ loves to hate on anything that falls outside their demented definition of western comic.
>>152684941
>>152681229American Dragon Ball fans.
>>152684944/a/ kind of likes Naruto now.
>>152684899Kishimoto is one of the cleanest and most technical artists who ever worked in shonen manga. I know you're trying to be a cool guy hipster bro, but let's all just be real with ourselves- Naruto is a massive IP years after it ended mainly due to the art of Kishimoto.
>>152684919Anon those are both done by notable creators and translated internationally, they’re not lower range at all. They stood out enough to be exported, or were done by notable creators. That’s stand out.
>>152684958It was cool to hate Naruto 10+ years ago. Now it has become a beloved iconic classic and even the haters can't deny how iconic and influential it is.
>>152684977Kys, autist.
>>152684944You sound like a 40+ year old boomer, several years behind the times.
>>152684950Comparing Bleach and Naruto is low hanging fruit. Compare it to other Shonen manga that actually gave a shit about trying to do something different like Ashita no Joe, Jojo, or Dragon Ball.>>152684964Not true but go ahead and explain
>>152684899What is the Bleach equivalent of this?
>>152684937Eh, it's not that simple. What magazine you're getting published in makes a big difference. If Naruto wasn't in WSJ, it wouldn't be as big as it was.
>>152684985You sound like a cock-gobbling faggot.
>>152684993Naruto, Bleach and One piece were contemporary. They were the big three. Comparing them is natural.
>>152684996>Big Frogs with clothes on and Naruto>This is supposed to be brand new cutting edge manga that no one else would dare to dohoo boy
>>152684965>Anon those are both done by notable creators and translated internationallyAnon this will shock you but Radiant is translated internationally too, I don't just mean Viz or europoor editions, Murata demanded a published Japanese edition.
>>152684977It's a nostalgia thing. Even people who like Naruto could write you a laundry list of glaring flaws. Though that's true of basically every major battle shounen since forever.
I'll never read manga no matter how much you try to shill it.
>>152685039Yeah and it has an anime, I know. I’m defending it, anon. I’m saying it’s perfectly as fine as any mid-level manga. Not top tier, but not everything will be.
>>152684993Naruto is the spiritual successor of Dragon Ball. You're trying to be a cool guy hipster but you sound like an out of touch boomer.>>152684982>>152685001You're autistic.>>152684999Why was it in WSJ? How did it get there? Why wasn't it canceled early if it was so terrible and generic?
>>152684965>those are both done by notable creators and translated internationally, they’re not lower range at all. They stood out enough to be exported, or were done by notable creators. That’s stand out.Ah. Like this you mean?
>>152680830Yes, since the new millennium they stopped trying to make good fights.
Your thread is off topic faggot go back to your circle jerk on /a/
>>152685042People are able to recognize the greatness of Naruto now that it stopped being cool and trendy to hate on it. Bleach is the opposite- it was cool to like bleach at the time, and the internet used to say dumb shit like Kubo is a better artist and writer than Kishimoto. Now, Naruto is still extremely popular and beloved, while bleach is basically forgotten.
>>152685032Tbf, how many (for lack of a better term) “epic guys media” would unapologetically use frogs and not some more traditional “cool” animal instead?
>>152685052>the spiritual successor of Dragon BallNot with that garbage paneling it isn't
>>152685048Mid-level manga don't get two seasons anime. Radiant is top tier, it's only penalized by not being japanese because people still seethe at the idea of a successful manga not being japanese.
>>152685052>Why was it in WSJ?Because Shueisha wanted to publish it.>How did it get there?Shonen's target demographic liked the pilot chapter and wanted more>Why wasn't it canceled early if it was so terrible and generic?Because it was popular.
>>152680830This looks really stupid and badly drawn however. Pretty much any western fight mogs it.
>>152685052>You're autistic.You are>>152685067Fucking hell, shut up, bitch.
>>152680830Pretty much, the east has always been better at straight fight scenes, for obvious reasons
>>152685032Nobody in history said that was edgy, you mentally retarded clown
>>152685077Contrarian fag>>152685071Nice contrarianism
>>152681229blacks
>>152685067So this is a thread you made because you dislike bleach? You're a faggot. Go to /a/ and make a naruto thread.
>>152685076>Because Shueisha wanted to publish it.Why did they decide this was the IP to promote in their flagship magazine?
>>152685077Nope, you have shitty taste
>>152685085Pick a vocabulary, Jamarcus
>>152685094I didn't make the thread, schizo.
>>152685091Anime has never had a good fight
>>152685103>doulind down on your contrianism
>>152685085>Has Bleach ever done anything like THIS?>It's just a basic character group shot but with FROGSKubo can draw character group shots too btw. A lot of manga artists can.
>>152684698I haven't read it but if I had to guess it probably doesn't have an easily scalable way to resonate with people. Naruto is child soldiers with memorable designs, a bunch of unique skills and characteristics to go along with solid action. It's an interesting setup and it hooks people even though it arguably devolves as it goes on. Hero Academy got popular for similar reasons
>>152685067The only favor that time has done for Naruto is make people forget about it.
I would storytime Radiant regularly if there were no captcha to slow shit down to the point of making storytimes impossible.>buy a passHahaha no.
>>152685116Its the truth
>>152685103Don't be retarded
>>152685128Absolutely wrong, you megafaggot
>>152685126/co/ doesn't like storytimes and /a/ will ban you for posting it.
For anyone here that hasn't read Naruto (or that much manga to begin with) and is being lead to believe it's good or its art is the best art manga can offer. It's fucking not. Literally just google Vagabond or Akira.
>>152685095Because Kishi was willing to bow to the editor's whims. You'd be amazed how far that gets you in the business.
>>152685138>>152685143Well ive never seen a single one that I thought was cool. Most of them are just retards talking about their abilities.
>yesterday’s thread about the quality of /co/ got raided by the retarded wannabe janny>this one not despite its nature
>>152685155I know, /a/ mods are fags.
>>152685157This. You know the Chunin exam arc that every still glazes to this day? It wasn't Kishimoto's choice. His editors told him to fill the status quo and do a tournament arc like the rest and he bowed to their demands.
>>152685179And they are way better than our mods.
>>152685162>admits that it’s just his subjective opinion KWAB
>>152685178>>152685199Yeah, case on point
>>152685178I wasn’t even surprised when I saw that thread get nuked.
>>152685162You haven't seen much then. Though to be fair, a lot of the long-running battle shounen can have really shitty pacing in their anime adaptation because they're really stretching for time or the peanut gallery won't shut the fuck up. You just gotta look for the episode where they bring in the real good director and let him go wild with the budget.
>>152685205Yeah my opinion is anime and its fights are shit and usually very forgettable
>>152685237I'm gonna keep myself to seeing less if I can as I really cant stand anime. Especially the fans of anime i fucking hate them.
>>152685246Your opinion is shit and wrong>>152685269Faggot
>>152685295I dont care if a single weeabo thinks im wrong
>>152685155>/a/ will ban you for posting itwhy?
>>152685322Not a web, I just said the truth
The only real problem of anime/manga haters is that they are usually fine with the western shit copying anime/manga styles.That's like China tier mentality.
>>152685334You're a weeb if you like anime. At all.
>>152685351Nice goalpost moving, faggot
>>152685342if we're being honest the real problem is they read and generally put up with shit objectively worse. Like there will be people here hate reading every x-man release until the death of this site
>>152684950It's an odd jab. I prefer no backgrounds to photobashed or traced backgrounds. Kubo was excellent at foregrounds too.
>>152685178I only go full scorched earth self moderation as a last resort, I might do the same to this shitty thread if it stays up long enough.For now, everyone must report the OP as much as they can. Use janny bypass as well.
>>152685370Who gives a fuck what a weeb thinks. Anime is garbage
>>152685671Nice coping, faggot
>>152685681No need to cope
>>152685697Then don’t do it
>>152685726Never had to
>>152685178>>152685540This thread is a good place for some discussion. Comics don't need to be manga, but they need to be better, and I'm done ignoring the problem.
>>152685826But you did.
>>152685884No I didn't
>>152681229"Nerds"Actually normalfags
>>152680830I don't know about comics since I don't read them much.But I personally enjoyed the season 4 of wakfu and I think it has pretty cool fight scenes.
>>152681229>omg you need to watch princess piss-her-pants and sakura shits on dick, they're such tender and heartfelt stories
>>152686294>enters a thread referring to comics specifically and contributes a clip of shitty animationthank i guess
>>152684482I never got any hype around Madara.You could see the patch job Kishimoto was doing for his characterisation as it happened.
>>152686316You welcome
Nobody reads comics anymore, they are just plain stupid, the only people who keeps buying that shit are delusional collectors who think their collections will be worth something someday.
>>152686350I don't even buy comics anymore, I just read them. They're not worth buying anymore.
>>152686323I think he was the Gojo of the 2000’s, I fucking hate Madara.
>>152680830I bet you feel stupid now.
>>152684913cow anus...
I like the dynamisms and movement in manga like Versus from One, this guy can attract the most talented manga artists to draw his series.I don't know if any comic has done anything remotely close to this in recent years.
>>152686571
>>152686571>>152686581Eh, this one's not very good.
>>152680830>>there is no western comic book that reached pic related level of creativity and coolness in fight scenesI must admit most comic books keep their fights brief and simple. although it doesn't have to be a bad thing
>>152684941>>152684954westerners really try their best doing the most unappealing art possible
>>152680830Yes, there is. Stop reading capeshit expecting anything amazing, and take the Indie and Bande Dessinee pill. Manga starts to look like formulaic trash once you've seen what the French and Italian industry has been cooking up.
>>152687527Is French and Italian comics are so good, why aren't they popular? Even webcomics are better know
>>152687605Radiant is french and it's popular
>>152687492Cope
>>152686224You did
Naruto is fucking garbage. Kill yourself narutard.
>>152688001Still better than marvel slop
>>152688815No, Naruto is ultraslop for actual homosexuals.
>>152685178>Not wanting East vs West spam is badFuck off retard
>>152685854People who make these threads HATE comicsThey're the enemyThey're the virusThey will never touch comics in a million years and will only stir shit up here because they're too much of a pussy to just on /a/They should fuck off
>>152688815Kys, faggot >>152689010I never implied that, this thread should have been raided
>>152680967You call OP many things, but never a liar.
>>152689069Fuck off, dickslurper
>>152680830Doesnt exist
>>152681229Shonenspics
>>152689147In your dreams
>>152686309You know, there are other stories that a shonenfag can enjoy still have more depth than the average shonen. For instance, Gunnm's Zenith of Things Tournament is better than every other tournament arc in shonen manga.
>>152689191Nothing will top the dark tournament of Yuyu Hakusho
>>152689027The true enemy of this board is cartoons, and of comics, it's the comics industry itself, before manga. The people that always flock to these threads to defend comics are the enemy, since they don't do a fucking thing to upkeep comics threads on this board, letting them die instead. They'd rather throw a tantrum here.
>>152689534>The people that always flock to these threads to defend comics are the enemy, since they don't do a fucking thing to upkeep comics threads on this board, letting them die instead. They'd rather throw a tantrum here.I've storytimed, I bump other storytimes, etcYou have no zero fucking right to claim people who hate East vs West spam don't do shit to try and improve comic discussion
>>152689842I don't see you in my threads.
>>152689884>I don't see you in my threads.What threads did you make?
>>152687605Trillions of flies love shit, so why don't you take a bite? As for why, I'd say that they don't get translated as often, and the American audience is still locked in the mindset of "comics = capeshit" which is really just the Western equivalent of shounen.>>152689069I already called him a liar, because his faggot-ass focuses on capeshit from the Big Two while posting the poster boy of shounen slop.
>>152681229Just call them tourists, you don't need a special word for it.
>>152689921Tons of discussion threads.
>>152681229It's mostly Spics who are more concerned with power scaling than paying attention and Teenagers who speak in AAVE who also care more for power scaling but also can't get with Nip sensibilities so they're almost always offended
>>152689191>says this while posting a character just standing there doing nothingThis is what weebs call quality lol
>>152691194Yeah, he should have posted something from the original Gunnm.
>>152691486He should be on the board for his slop
>>152690047>which is really just the Western equivalent of shounen.I fucking wish, maybe then we'd get some cape comics with the balls to actually show some tits.
>>152687527>and take the Indie and Bande Dessinee pillthe blackpill of these is that so many of them are forever incomplete or just not engaging at all and lack interesting and memorable characters.Even Euro comics with beautiful art often feel very empty. There's maybe a handful of exceptions. Moebius' catalog is depressing because for all his amazing visuals he never really had a great writer or truly great story.
>>152691703Pretty sure comics have boobs in them. You'd know this is you weren't a weeb
>>152691873When I say "show some tits" I mean the whole tit, including the nipple.
>>152691918Ive seen better boobs
>>152692391I'm not seeing any nipples there besides Mark's, so I'm gonna have to disagree.
>>152692500I can understand why a weeb would have shit taste.
>>152680830Dark Knights and Death Metal MOG this toilet paper in every way.That's how LOW your bar is.
>>152692554Enjoy your Barbie doll, anon.
>>152692584Enjoy your slop for manchildren
>>152692594Cope
>>152684957They don't even watch the anime. Just Abridged and pretend they watched the show.
>>152692631Seethe, anime is garbage. Not a single thing about it is enjoyable to anybody with coherent thoughts.
>>152692880>coping
>>152692594Imagine saying this on the comics and cartoons board of an anime website.
>>152684001This looks like shit.
>>152692944>anime websiteNope
>>152692944Can you prove that anime isn't slop for manchildren? I don't think so.
>>152693041I can because your jaunt talking out of your ass
>>152693077I'm really not. Ive watched a lot of anime and find myself unimpressed or disgusted most of the times these days
>>152693617Faggot.
>>152680830>Creativity >Choose the one that was just a copy of the last generation of shonen mangaWhy not pick something better?
>>152693675Weeb
Will gaijin ever stop taking it out on Japs and learn some sort of fairness and be chill?
>>152690828You didn't narrow down shit
>>152694157probably not
>>152694157Maybe the Japanese should learn how to make a decent cartoon
>>152693002>anime websiteYes.>>152693041I can't prove that comics and cartoons aren't slop for manchildren. So what are you doing here if you aren't already a slop-slurping manchild?
>>152694219>>anime websiteWrong, faggot>>152694217You are wrong>>152694080I said the truth
>>152683796>I remember a thread a while that was talking about how western shows refuse to use any perspective shots or use different camera techniquesIt is because they are more like stand-up & theatrical comedies.
>>152694219I'm here because cartoons are far more enjoyable than anime is
>>152694354Only if you're a mantoddler.
>>152694354Nope>>152694619You are
>>152694640Yes cartoons are far more superior in both enjoyment and storytelling then any anime currently running
>>152687527BDs have been declining for years now. Waiting years for 50 pages of very detail art but dry writing in a series that's just spinning wheels isnt going to cut it anymore.
>>152689218Truth
>>152694664Which cartoons?
>>152695087Primal and invincible
>>152691486Last Order is better than the original. You can cry me a river about muh scrapyard and stuff, just because you couldn't understand kino scifi.
>>152695445Trash taste, bro.
why does everyone turn into a nationalist when it comes to comics
>>152695628They can't accept that anime and manga have been shitting on comics and cartoons for the last few decades.You will NEVER see an ice skating comic in the West.
>>152695715Probably because ice skating is retarded?
>>152680830Comics have worse fight scenes than manga overall. That can't be argued.
>>152695744At least comics have the advantage of not being Japanese weeb slop
>>152684617The traditional image of a ninja in Japan is closer to Goemon a guy that is a superhuman with earth control than the decaffeinated image of an American movie project.
>>152685538Funny how in the actual Bleach manga there are never shot like that. Just a disjointed mess.
>>152695919That shot is on the manga
>>152695752Nice seething>>152695732Nope
>>152695935I'll never give a single fuck about ice skating
>that guy
>Unironically getting a headache and the Bull Janny spams horse scat.WHY CAN'T YOU TARGET THE MOTHERFUCKING DRAWTHREAD, NIGGA!!!!! I HATE YOU FOR A REASON, AND NOT JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE LE REDDITOR FAG!!!!!!!!!
>>152695445No, last order has worse pacing, still great but less soulful art, and is a bit too silly. It's still a top tier manga but the original is almost perfect aside from the rushed ending
>>152695752What does that mean?>>152695715>>152695732>>152696077On the one hand: so what if there aren't comics about ice skating? Who gives a shit? It's not exactly a pertinent argument that not every topic is covered by comics like it is with manga. On the other hand: we need some motherfucking variety in comics, and we need them to be as good as possible. Too many of them are the same bullshit, and most of them either look like shit or look boring. If a manga about ice skating can be so captivating, then it shouldn't be a problem for a comic book about anything.
>>152695369Even JJK is better than these.
>>152696098You're such a fucking faggot goddamn you suck
>>152680830>muh fight scenesIt’s so telling how juvenile and boringly narrow people’s interests in comics actually are
>>152695715
>>152696098https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/TDWJHJYSIGvfS2BGyiTgCg/LeaveLiterally just fucking leaveGiving two shits about a Vietnamese paper folding website to the extent where you're getting headaches over it is not healthyJust fuck off and never come backNobody will miss you because you contribute NOTHING to the board except whine like a bitch
>>152680830greg land will just trace it
>>152697306eh close enough
>>152697185Nope, you faggot
>>152697306Why do I get the feeling the coach is Russian?
>>152697185Jjk sucks ass
>>152696168There's plenty of variety in comics. Only weebs think that it's all just dc and marvel
>>152698748>Only weebsAnd every single normalfag
