Why could cartoons never reach the same depth. complexity, and storytelling as television? (breaking bad, sopranos)
>>152705973Post examples of said shows, what you posted is pretty much crap.
>>152705973Animation is an inferior medium in regards to nuance, which is crucial for depth and complexity. It's also limited by budget and time constraints, because every particle in animation essentially has to be created, whereas with live action, it is captured (unless you're talking about CGI). There are more moving parts in live action, and more contribution from different parties involved. Voice actors only act with their voice, but live actors act with everything.>>152706054No, those shows are adequate.
>>152706198Do you actually believe human actors can compete against cartoons/anime?
>>152705973>posting some of the greatest shows of all timeOP really is setting a high bar.
Batman TAS Avatar: The Last AirbenderEarly Spongeboy
>>152706335Live actors are far better. Animated characters are always so lacking.
People will say The Sopranos is the best show over and then say that half of the seasons are unwatchable garbage
>>152705973Go watch an episode of bluey and then come back.OP status = destroyed
>>152706500Besides SpongeBob, this.
>>152705973Breaking Bad was always a goofy live action cartoon for adults.>two face gus>i am le one who knocks>bbbb-bonfire>machine gun in trunk killing nazis>magnets bitch>any scene with le 4d chessmaster gus>it's not le meth>the two assassin brothers
>>152706523>then say that half of the seasons are unwatchable garbageNo one says this
>>152705973They did but you didn't watch it
>>152706976to be fair, the marketing and promotion was absolute shit.
>>152706797I didn't know what else to add
>>152705973>Over the Garden Wall>Venture Bros>Common Side Effects>Pantheon>Scavengers Reign>Teen Titans 2003>Avatar the Last Airbender>Morel OrelThese are just off the top of my head desu
>>152706511They aren't. A real person can't play Homer Simpson, Bugs bunny, Spongebob, Aang, Zuko, Dio Brando, Goku, etc.
>>152707204Only two of those are good
CARMELLA CAN YOU PLEASE SHUT THE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
>>152707349Nope, you contrarian retard
>>152705973Because of the technical niche things just happened differently industry wise in animation than live action. Even in anime it’s only a handful that are really up there. The art form can get there eventually.
>>152705973Because animation is for babbys and retards. Watching cartoons as an adult instead of live-action is like preferring Gerber food instead of steak and wine.
>>152707330They can play better characters.
>>152705973They did
>>152707546That's not /co/
>>152707557Yes it is
>>152705973They did, they're called Tiny Toon Adventures, Animaniacs, Freakazoid and Pinky and The Brain.
>>152707577Thank you, someone finally gets it.Also updated.
>>152705973Those are shit, they don't have any "depth" or "complexity" and they'd be forgotten if shills like you didn't spam them
>>152707465>they're better because, uh, its boring
>>152707432Dr.Pepper (made with real sugar), not wine.
>>152707616>>152707627You simply don't have the mental capacity to enjoy adult media.
>>152705973The Sponge
>>152707867Did Spongebob know about Tony's fling with Pepper Ann?
>>152706523>half of the seasons are unwatchable garbageNo one says this.>>152705973Breaking Bad is 2 tiers below the Sopranos.
>>152705973In america.
>>152705973Too be fair, even anime rarely reaches the depth of the best of prestige television. There are some cartoon examples, mainly french stuff, but unfortunately most people consider animation too childish to take such an ambitious risk on genuine mature storytelling.
>>152707577>>152707598How in the fuck is Hamtaro or Studio Ghibli /co/?
>>152708228They just are, plus there was a point in Ghibli history where Disney was funding Ghibli's movies because John Lasseter and stopped because John Lasseter left Disney and Bob Iger and the rest of Disney didn't give a rat's ass about Ghibli.
>>152705973>>152706198It's disheartening how many people are going to take the bait, let alone actually believe this.
>>152708262Also Howl's Moving Castle was from British source material.
>>152708272It's not bait, it's true.
>>152708262>They just areThat's not how this works, you need a concrete reason. By the definitions of that chart it doesn't fit since it lacks specifically a comic or cartoon adaption.>plus there was a point in Ghibli history where Disney was funding Ghibli's movies Funding doesn't factor into anything, it wasn't contract work for a western property like Avatar or Batman they're still a Japanese studio making Japanese content regardless of who partially funds it.>>152708277It's a British BOOK not a comic or cartoon, that's /lit/'s purview.
>>152705973I think Pantheon is a deep and complex show.
>>152707577>>152707598>Famicom did this!Thats it, we will never have sincere threads on topics like this because i am convinced Famicom is just a persona created by the people working at 4chan just to derail threads for fun, its insane.
>>152708325>Yes it does.>Yes it does factor into everything.>Because of Ghibli and Disney's (John Lasseter's) involvement Howl's does count as /co/ as much as it does /a/.
>>152708210It used to at least try to get half as close or good enough, shit only become super stupid after shonnen and crass pervy romcom slop since the 90s.
>>152708355No, he didn't, for this Famicom had nothing to do with it.
>>152708228>>152708262>>152708325Its a Famicom schizoid picture
>>152708262Disney has all sorts of subsidiaries and fingers in many pies, not everything Disney is involved with is automatically considered a comic or cartoon especially when they only ever provided like 10% of their funding. As an example Touchstone Pictures was a film label by Disney but since their output was mostly live action not everything they produced would be considered /co/ unless it was explicitly a comic or a cartoon unless it's something like Who Framed Roger Rabbit or Dick Tracey which does fulfill that requirement.
>>152708369Read >>152708367, for once Famicom didn't make the picture but rather it got updated over time.>>152708387Yes, but this was John Lasseter we're talking about.
>>152708360>Yes it does.How?>Yes it does factor into everything.>Because of Ghibli and Disney's (John Lasseter's) involvementHow? Disney is a multinational media conglomerate they haven't been primarily an animation studio for quite a long time.
>>152708411Disney still makes Canon Films every year.
>>152708407Not everything John Lasseter touches is a comic or cartoon, he also worked on a bunch of documentaries that are not inherently /co/ just because he was involved.
>>152708428Disney makes cartoons but not everything they make is a cartoon. That's what the term multi-media in multi-media corporation means. Walt diversified the company from being just an animation studio in the 50s and it's been that way ever since.
>>1527084551940s with Treasure Island, and that was outsourced to England because after WWII any money that was made in England stood in England so Walt had to outsource production of that film to England to so he can get funding for it.
>>152708467And the 1950 Treasure Island movie wouldn't be /co/ just because Walt produced it, you get my point?
>>152708489Yes, but Howl's was a western source and /a/ won't touch it because of it.
>>152706895>>152707899Half of every season is unwatchable garbage. There's slow burns and then there's just leaving shit on luke warm.
>>152708500Well that's just /a/ being retarded, /co/ only deals with western sources that are both comics and cartoons with occasional weird carve-outs stated specifically by the site's founder like puppetry (which sorta makes sense) and Digimon (which has more to do with board politics/culture instead of categorization consistency). Movies, books, and other mediums are covered by other boards unless there exists some sort of comic or cartoon adaption. Howl's Moving Castle is an /a/ adaption of /lit/, not /co/.
It's literally a self fulfilling circle. Most people on the onset, don't respect animation and see it as for children, then whenever it tries to be more than that, people namely parents get mad that it's not for children.
>>152708548Tex Avery, Bob Clampett and Chuck Jones will like to have a word with you.
>>152708526No.
>>152706335Yes, easily, because its incredibly cheap for a human actor to display subtlety while it's immensely expensive for a team of animators to make 24 frames a second for a character detailed enough to display subtle emotions playing across their face
>>152708407>pic clearly has the 2 lolis from Hamtaro which Famicom is incredibly delusional about>NOT FAMICOMplease
>>152705973>why will television never achieve the same depth. complexity, and storytelling as film?>why will film never achieve the same depth. complexity, and storytelling as print?>why will print never achieve the same depth. complexity, and storytelling as meditation?also, where do you think cartoons show? on television
>>152705973Evangelion and Moral Orel
>>152708727I see no Kana, just Laura, and that other pigtail girl is Katie Minami who is from Mirumo De Pon, but is a regular on Laura's show (The Adventures of Laura Haruna) as she is Laura's (and Alex's) baby sitter.Pic related in terms of Katie.
>>152708956Meanwhile Kana isn't on that chart.This is Kana.
>>152705973There are at least 100x more live action shows than animation shows due to ease of creating live action. Probably 1000x more live action shows on adult channels than animated shows Of course out of all of that live action slop you will hit several good ones if you have that many chances put in
