I liked it. Certainly better than whatever the hell Star Trek Academy is supposed to be.
>>152710697I'm just glad it finished before Paramount started paying attention and ruined it like all their other Star Trek shows.
>>152710697Ironically a better and more believable depiction of a young adult group in a professional setting than Star Trek Academy
>>152710697These two should have fucked.
>>152710697I didn't like it. I tried very hard to like it.Why would anyone even hatewatch Academy at this point? Don't keep hurting yourself.
>>152710697>best girl shows up too late to save the show[*sigh*]......
>>152710697That's like saying a solid shit is better than liquid shit.
>>152710697Star Trek Discovery fucked up the Star Trek timeline so fucking bad (the Burn is stupid, and ruins anything they want to do with the franchise in the future) that at this point it is basically inevitable that they will have to use time travel bullshit to just... undo the entire current era of Star Trek. Its too radioactive to survive in its current form.
>>152711143>undo the entire current era of Star TrekOr we could all collectively agree that it never happened, and re-enact the backstory of A Night on Elm Street with Kurtzman.
>>152711143>"You know what the kids like? Post-apocalyptic Series! So, if we want to get the kids to watch Star Trek, let's just blow up most of the Federation!"How do you even bring yourself to get on any Federation Starship after The Burn?
>>152710697>another "totally organic" thread for a cartoon cancelled three years agoWill you just fuck off already? I know Paramount is losing a shitload of money and is desperate, I'm not watching your lesbian slop.
>>152711503Yeah. And the worst part is, the Burn itself isn't even cool or interesting. Its just *dumb*. Not just because a child had a temper tantrum so bad it made all of the dilithium in the universe explode. But boy howdy, is that dumb. But also because thats not even what everyone uses! There would be plenty of spacefaring races, including major factions, that would have been perfectly fine afterwards and immediately just moved in and taken over everything.Its a dumb, bad, hamfisted thing to make happen and even then it doesn't fucking do what they want it to do. I am reminded of a similar event in Stargate Atlantis that manged to do the same thing but wasn't fucking stupid: someone built a kind of jammer that made hyperspace unstable so anyone that tried to use it for FTL just blew themselves up trying. It was on purpose, and it didn't kill everyone at once because it didn't kill them until their tried to hyperspace somewhere which created dramatic tension because it limited your options and left people stranded even if they knew what was going on, when most people didn't and only found out that something had gone wrong when they tried to go somewhere and exploded instead. And even then, other modes of transport that were not hyperspace based (like the stargates) still worked fine. It was a devastating doomsday weapon that blew up a whole bunch of ships but it never felt stupid like the Burn.
>152710697Wow, the LD spammer still insisting with his dead Rick & Morty clone.As always, go back to /trek/ and spam your crap there.
>>152710822>>152711096truth
Probably my favorite thing about Lower Decks is how it goes out of its way to flesh out Orion culture. It's kind of nuts how despite being one of the oldest species in the franchise, being from the damn pilot, this is the first time they've ever gotten anything of real substance. And these are some of the best episodes. ... I mean it does help that they're stories about a bunch of hot green pirate women.
>>152710697Sex with Mariner.
>>152710697>Certainly better than [WORST PIECE OF RECENT MEDIA] I would hope so.
I said it before, I'll say it again; T'lyn needed to join the show sooner.
>>152712088Indeed.
>>152710759There really isn't anything to ruin, for the most part the show is pretty meh.
>>152712119Ice cold take, dude. You'll get no argument on that.
This cartoon poisoned the Trek fandom even further by introducing quirk chungi into it
>>152710697When i came down that mountain i later learned the soul is real.
>>152712400Who is this?
>>152710697>hate wokeshit>enjoyed thisI don't know why, maybe I'm going soft
>>152712431Because despite internet shitflinging, it wasn't actually woke. At least, no more woke than generic default Star Trek is.
>>152712585> it wasn't actually woke!!!Uhh, chud. You're misinformed. The show was valid as heck!Lower Decks is here for youIt's your favorite Star Trek crewThey're so quirky, cool and funIt's the best cartoon in townTrek's no longer just for nerdsJoin Paramount+ with your friendsWe have Mariner, Boimler tooTendi is trans and so will be youWe will breach final frontierBy accepting folks who's queerStrong black female is our leadDabbing on white boys indeedKurtzman's vision guides us nowBe inclusive and have funWe're best Star Trek, through and throughTendi is trans and so will be youNuTrek shows are here to staySupport all who's black or gayEat your bugs and drink your söyBe a good, obedient goyBuy subscription and consumeDon't use words "tranny" or "troon"CBS tells you what to doTendi is trans...Tendi is trans...Tendi is trans...Tendi is trans and so will be you!https://vocaroo.com/14BtBm4ZsV8S
>>152712606I hope you get paid to do this. That would at least be understandable.
>>152712429
>>152710697Yeah it's a pretty fun cartoon, it's great if you are a trek fan and get the references and themes, having the main characters all be nerds who idolize their heroes is refreshing. It's also fun seeing sexy girls act cute, consistent with the 90's treks from the good old showbiz days.
>here's your totally platonic pair that will end the series as totally platonic work buddies competing for the same position
>>152712137Her and Tendi. Through the mattress. In the sonic showers. On the warp-pad. Till the walls turn black.
>>152710697I liked it as Boimler became less and less of a butt-monkey. Season 3 on is pretty stellar.
My favorite character
>>152711030Long story, but I used to be bright. STEM placements, Master's in Comp Sci. I've since sustained concussions and can't grasp what I used to. I can't focus on what my Master's thesis was for more than maybe 20 seconds, and it's just ... muck.The worst part is, I was and still am attracted to brilliant women. I see characters like Tendi, and I know I can't be with them. Not like I used to. I don't even want to try, mumbling through conversations or nodding along. My life is Hell.Also, she is cute, gr8 art, 10/10.
>>152712190I have a serious thing for autistic women. Fell for several in undergrad. I would do absolutely depraved things to make T'Lyn's eyes flutter.
You're getting mogged by the Velma thread, tranny NuTrek shills. Fuck off forever.>>152711543>>152711543
>>152713614That is rough, anon. I hope that with time you recover some of what you've lost. Cognitive Rehabilitation is a thing, if you have not tried it already.
>>152713735I LOVE STAR TREK: VELMA
>>152713613I love when she cucked Norville--I mean Boimler lmao
>>152713740Thanks. I'll keep it short, but most people improve roughly as much as they will in the first 6 months. I kind of haven't.I demurr. Here's to the great ladies of Trek.
>>152713805>>152713765>brown bisexual main character>le subversive adult take on family friendly IP>humiliating and cucking menThese shows all look the same and they're all written the exact same way
>>152713825Don't forget the>the main character is the awesomest, smartest person alive but she has to get over self-destructive tendencies to become the best, slayest version of herselftrope.
>>152713838No, Boimler was pretty consistently a hot mess, at least from the perspective of any adult with their shit together. Velma encountered no such real adults.
>>152713614that's brutal anon, I'm sorry. I've dealt with (hopefully temporary) insomnia and substance induced cognitive decline before so I have a bit of a picture of how shit it is too
>>152713861Literal same fucking shows. Trekkies are more retarded than fucking Scooby Doo fans for eating this slop.
>>152713861The main character is Mariner, dorkwad.
>>152713924I apologize for sucking dicks, but I actually meant Mariner. Boimler's just fussy.
>>152713805I LOVE LESBIANS!
I can storytime the 2024 Star Trek Pride comic for y'all who missed it last time. It was fun making chuddies seethe because Star Trek is no longer for them.
>>152713913Not even remotely similar, especially since everyone on the left is extremely competent, and have very clear positive traits that outweigh the negatives.Nobody has anything positive in Velma. Those that do are secondary characters that exist to be shat on by the unlikable cunts of the main cast.
>>152713961>>152714135I love Lower Decks because it makes the pearl-clutching Star Trek nerds cry that their sacred thing is a joke now.
>>152710697Haha, yeah, 90s Star Trek seems so quaint and outdated these days. I love how the characters break the fourth wall to point it out. I mean, come on, carpets???
>>152713961> It was fun making chuddies seethe because Star Trek is no longer for them.Was it ever? Star Trek had both the first onscreen interracial kiss on american television way back in TOS, and later on the first same sex kiss as well. It was *always* a progressive franchise. I have trouble imagining that super rightwing people would have enjoyed Star Trek's vision of the future much in the first place, given that its a post-scarcity, post-religion, post-nationalism vision of the future. How is a pride month comic going to be what breaks the camels back for them?
>>152714166Oh and all the goofy optimism. They actually thought the future would be better! No money? Ridiculous lol
>>152714172It's what they don't understand. Their slop doesn't fail because it's progressive. It sucks shit through a straw because they suck at making their ideas appealing. They're subversive for subversion's sake, not because they have real goals or a heart behind anything; they don't even enjoy what they're parasitizing, as their only real pleasure in the situation is pissing on something other people like, just like >>152714145 said, but without sarcasm.
>>152714219Studios becoming IP holding companies has been a cancerous blight on basically all american media for the past 20+ years. Its all become this homogenized mess where putting out MORE of a franchise is the entire priority to capitalize on the 'valuable IP' they own, but all of the decisions are being made by soulless executives so they can only grasp crude parody versions of those IPs and exclusively want to deal with writers and directions with no creative vision of their own because that means they might not do exactly as they are told. Paramount would never hire Gene Roddenberry to make a Star Trek show today. They'd think his stance on the franchise would be too risky and radical. Not focus group tested enough. The consultants have a very convincing report based on social media activity that paints a compelling story for what fans want instead...
>>152713543>>152713673All three. At the same time.
>>152714366What is Starfleet's maternity leave policy, do you think?
>>152714374Depends on stationing. I'm guessing for the Cerritos it's light duty for both parents to give them time with their offspring.
>>152714374>our society routinely depends on a piece of technology to move from A to B virtually instantly by effectively killing you by atomization on one end and printing out a perfect copy of yourself on the other>also it can and WILL fuck up and send you back in time/lodge your lungs into a brick wall/fuse you together with someone else like a discount Cronenberg picture/split you into good and evil versions of your self/[*insert contrived plot device here*]You tell me, anon
>>152714374This >>152714456. The Star Trek universe is supposed to be an idealized commie near-utopia, so of course Starfleet is super chill about all its various employee benefits. >>152714145Those same people will shit themselves if you show them the clip of TOS Kirk disregarding the Prime Directive, and Spock agreeing with him.
>>152714219>they don't even enjoy what they're parasitizing+1, Ive rewatched the TOS animation and even with a shoe sting budget they at least tried to keep the core of it as Trek adventures, but with LD it feels like they just got few interns to scrap the fan wikis and subreddits for "quirky Star Trek factoids" and use that as a replacement for a core of good writing.why the fuck nobody in nutrek had done anything with the stable multiverse wormhole ? its literally a fucking infinite get-out-of-jail idea generator.
This shit got canceled three years agoFuck off Paramount
It still galls me that it took this fucking long, and this fucking show for Orions to finally seem like an actual civilization. Much as I love Lower Decks, it is kind of embarrassing that the self-parody series is the one to finally have an Orion main character.
>>152714502It's not like any trek series has been lacking alt universe episodes. Hell it's not even the only multiverse portal.
>>152714560Fun Tendi Fact: She shares a voice actress with Lord Dominator from Wander Over Yonder.
>>152714648Oh I'm well aware. Noelle Wells somehow got typecast as cute, show stealing green women.
>>152714683I'm not complaining! I was lured by the dick into watching WoY, and thankful for it.
>>152710697I'm autistic enough that the show offended me for belittling star trek and making Star Fleet seem like a shit job.>Tendi a Cute tho
Hey /co/ want to read my Star Trek Fanzine
>>152713825>bisexual female in media = straight -> gayYou will never see a female bisexual break up with a girl and date a guy, except in real life. Funny how that works.
>>152714941>for belittling star trek and making Star Fleet seem like a shit job.But it did neither.
>>152715035The problem with Lower Decks is that it released during the peak woke derangement, mid-Biden administration.The only reason they made Mariner was a lesbian because a transgender influencer demanded to have they/them's lesbian crackship validated by the show. Such retardation shouldn't be tolerated, but /co/ idiots don't seem to have a problem with it apparently.
>>152714941I got the opposite vibe from that. No matter what kind of weird esoteric stuff you like or are good at theres a place in Starfleet for you. It honestly came off as a very uplifting show with a good message. I get why people don't like it but I honestly enjoyed the majority of it.
>>152715077>transgender influencerName him. This is the faggot. The show's creator decided to pander to him and his tranny friends over everyone else
>>152715107>The show's creator decided to pander to him and his tranny friends over everyone else
>>152714560I think they were trying to burying orions after TOS because they thought the sjw mob would come after them.
>>152715035You're just extremely mentally ill and only count the ones that don't date guys because it makes you seethe.
>>152710697The only reason this shit is getting pushed here again is because Alex Kurtzman is desperate for a new contract.Fuck off and stay gone.
>>152713543Yes please!!
>>152710697>I liked itConfirmed, OP is a faggot. As usual. For the record, there is no Star Trek after Enterprise, and even Enterprise really doesn't count as Star Trek. Its a completely different show with the branding on it but reasonably watchable. Voyager really should get the axe too for having a dyke for a Captain but we only have so much decent Trek, so like the Star Wars prequels, it gets a pass solely by virtue of having a whole lot more 'down' to go after it was made.
>>152710759It's not even Paramount doing this - it's literally just Kurtzman.
>>152710759Lower Decks ruined itself long before its cancelation
>>152714502>why the fuck nobody in nutrek had done anything with the stable multiverse wormholeI have a burning hatred for Kurtzman "Trek" but when people say shit like this to complain about it I feel like I'm being astroturfed by uninformed non-fans for an opinion I ALREADY HOLD.A mirror universe episode is basically a rite of passage for Trek stories at this point - they do it quite frequently. Alternate universe and alternate timeline stuff happens all the time as well. There's no end to the ways you can cross into different universes, either.
>>152716106Qrd?>>152716129I almost don't want to know, who trooned out?
>>152710697Too bad about the later seasons though >>152710822>Same sex friendships that have decent chemistry with each other>writers make them fuck >different sex friendships that have decent chemistry with each other>writers stomp their foot down and say no they are just friends Sigh...
>>152713825Thing is Boilmer didn't even get cucked or anything remotely similar like norville since he wasn't interested. The andorian though gets forgotten pretty quickly after mariner breaks up with her.
>>152716158Big shocker that culture war autists are mostly tourists.
>>152715069you're not gonna get anywhere, a lot of posts in LD threads are just flat out lying about it. it's a dedicated hatedom that only seems to exist here (most people either like LD or are ambivalent towards the animated comedy format), so it's just a clique of directionless culture warriors inadvertently performing reverse psychology astroturfing for a show that is already over.these threads are generally just poorly veiled /pol/ invasions with a resident schizo or two only here to whine about their woke trauma from a show that ended years ago. a show from an IP they know hardly anything about (besides the fact somebody told them it was all "super woke now," as if one of the most culturally progressive IPs ever created was somehow "trad conservative" at one point).last thread was spammed with completely irrelevant tabloid screenshots ripped from some /pol/tard's image folder before the jannies finally purged it. probably a burner IP since similar spam happened afterwards anyway.i'd say they aren't sending their best, but it's /pol/. this IS their best.>>152716380one of these resident idiots calling themselves a Trekkie didn't even know who Doctor Phlox was. you know, the guy in ENT with the canon STRAIGHT HAREM. it's all surface level disingenuous stuff, latching onto bits of posts to reply with your garden variety /pol/ spam. embarrassing to watch.there is a very high chance that the schizos are the ones making the LD threads. that'd be why they never neglect to bump them.odds are good it's someone who did the same sort of spam to "get it banned" on /tv/, completely oblivious to the fact it would only be banned from /tv/ because... it belongs on /co/, not /tv/. duh. not even just fraud Trekkies, they're also fraud 4channers.
>Boimler stops getting treated like a constant joke and manages to get wins on a regular basis and treated with respect >Mariner mostly stops being so loud and consequence free and is treated as the butt of jokes more. Suffers for her actions and develops across the series.Seriously though did they fire EVERYONE from season 1?
>>152716602>>152716438>>152716380FUCK OFF ALREADY PARAMOUNT
>>152716602tbf Boimler actually felt like the MC of season 1 through his stubborn ambition, despite being the butt of jokes. in subsequent seasons, not so much, the focus is more on Mariner's own failures and redemption quest.
>>152710697Waiter! Waiter! More Zionist queerslop please!Nom nom nom!!! I love goyslop! Thank you, Mr. Ellison! Thank you, Mr. Netanyahu!
>>152716606>STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE!
>>152714366All three, worshipping my dick in the holo-deck.
>>152711525I like Pike but I don't like that he's stuck in SNW
Watching the Orville now makes me really disappointed with myself that I wasted my time with this show.Is just inferior in everything it tries to do, from romance, humour, intriguing plot lines. The only thing this show has going for is that is animated.
>>152717384>The only thing this show has going for is that is animatedIs that really an advantage when it looks like fucking Rick and Morty?
Mariner suck as the main character. Boilmer, Tendi, and the Vulcan would had been the better trio.
>>152717403It's her show. 90% of the stories revolved around her. They should have called Star Trek: Chaotic Bisexual.Can we just fucking move on? This show doesn't deserve board space.
>>152717394Yes, because they can do more alien species that are not "dude with stuff on face" and the design of the characters is pretty cute in my opinion. Also the planets can actually feel alien and not just another discount earth and so on.The orville can do really well despite being live action on that front. it probably works for the benefit of the writing since they need to use that to make worlds feel alien with culture and so on, McMahan has this thing were the way he uses animation is a clutch to his lazy writing were he adds "le cool fight scene" or set piece instead of good writing, is what drags the seasons of solar opposites way down without Roiland.
>>152717427>Yes, because they can do more alien species that are not "dude with stuff on face"They never do that. All Lower Drecks aliens look like Rick and Morty aliens. The only interesting designs they have are stolen from TAS.
>>152717427I bet you would befriend the porn alien for the VR roms
The entire reason I made this post was just to see what Lower Decks fanart people had on hand.That and clips from the show started popping up while I was scrolling through Youtube.
>>152717427>McMahanSomeone should look into that dipshit. As far as I know, he's got zero practical animation skills, no industry credentials whatsoever. And yet the industry keeps giving him shows because he's connected to Justin Roiland.
>>152716223>Qrd?Won't be quick.Basically, Kurtzman got free rein. DIS is a microcosm of his overall incompetence; by all appearances, he wanted to make DIS his baby and his alone. He pushed out Bryan Fuller "due to cost overruns" despite the fact they were co-creators of the series (Fuller's last episode credit was only episode 3 of season 1), then pushed out both replacement DIS co-showrunners (over "creating an abusive work environment"; I don't know how true that is or how at fault both of them could be simultaneously) only 5 episodes into season 2. Evidently Michelle Paradise was acceptable, perhaps by being more amenable to letting Kurtzman do whatever he wanted, so she was in that position for the final 3 seasons.The quality ceiling was much higher on the animation side because Kurtzman wasn't as directly involved in it.General rule:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman#FilmographyThe more green or yellow you see in a row related to Star Trek, the worse it is.You can see Kurtzman's influence most clearly through DIS and anything adjacent to it (e.g. Section 31, Academy). Academy being set post-"Burn" is almost a blatant attempt to try and cement DIS into the canon more despite it being largely disliked by general audiences and ignored by most Trekkies, to a level we did not see even with ENT. If you know anything about the Trek fandom, "less accepted than Star Trek: Enterprise" is fucking dire. DIS was so bad it caused a minor renaissance in ENT fandom.Picard has a fundamental pivot later on because, to their credit, the people making it at that point were actually receptive to how much people hated what Kurtzman had made.Kurtzman has never been remotely self-aware - his entire career is like this. He also fundamentally does not understand the ethos of Star Trek, or even some of the important details. His career is full of similar examples of THAT as well (The Amazing Spider-Man 2, anybody? He wrote it.)
>>152717436They look like aliens. I don't care if they look like rick and morty aliens or Marvin the Martian, that does not change the fact that being animated they have more freedom to create more alien creatures than the orville.You are so demented and retarded about this serie you complete lose track of the point I'm making and what the conversation is even about to talk about rick and morty and try to shit on this series. seek professional help, you probably have too many female hormones or the male equivalent on your blood. I'm dead serious.
>>152717458Lower Decks was wokeslop despite little Kurtzman influence. The showrunner was literally doing everything some tranny influencer told him to do.Stop giving this show exposure and a platform.
>>152717458Call it by its actual initial: STD, because it is STD.
>>152712137its funny how attractive she is in the cartoon but repulsive the live action version was.
>>152717465>that does not change the fact that being animated they have more freedom to create more alien creatures than the orvilleThey never utilize the medium in a creative way. Not once. Fuck off, retard.
>>152717471I got in the habit of calling it DIS because it made "DIScontinuity" a good shorthand for describing how "canon" I consider Burnham or the Burn (...Kurtzman is not a creative man).
>>152717444good job on giving picrel free marketing so he can turn more Star Trek characters into faggots
Yeah, this is the troll that spams these threads. I don't know what the threshold for reporting spam is but obsessively replying to every post with a one off repeat of the same talking points over and over and over and over and over again feels like it SHOULD qualify.Adds nothing to the threads.
>>152717515Cool. Stop making these threads and fuck off.
>stop being mean to my gay cartoo-ACK!
>>152717444my condolences, anon. as you can see /co/ has a resident schizo that hates Lower Decks. shits up every single thread about it with this inane garbage.it's not even the fun kind of mental illness like somebody who got lost on their way to /x/. it's just a garden variety /pol/ retard.
>>152717515You probably could report as trolling outside of /b/ since he is only doing that to derail the thread. If the jannies will listen often depends on the board or how much the user does it. But I think this report option is only there to vague shit like that or to jannies to ban what they don't like personally, so is an gamble.
>>152717566Has it occurred to you that most people just don't fuck with this show (and NuTrek in general)? Just a thought?
>>152717458It’s not like TNG - ENT era Trek wasn’t also dealing with a dogshit producer who ruined everything he got too involved with. A lot of NuTrek complaints are identical to how we used to bitch about Berman.
>>152717570Please go complain to the jannies, Redditor. Getting these threads banned would make the website better.
>>152712084It was a cute extended joke about how Trek and sci-fi media in general tends to make every species a one-note caricature of whatever we see representatives of them doing in their first appearance. A lot of it was intentionally retarded though, which is fine since it's a comedy show but I'm not sure how much of Orion culture as depicted in LD could really be expected to be absorbed into Trek canon.
So, what does getting stunned by a phaser feel like?
>>152717586They started spamming this shit just a day after the Warner Bros acquisition got approved, nothing about this is organic. No one talked about Lower Standards for months. Paramount is working overtime to boost these shitty shows>>>/tv/218358560
>>152717592Not him but you're fucking retarded. If you had seen STD, Section 31, and the Academy, then you would realize how fucking stupid you are to undermine how BAD those scifi show are.
>>152717630Anon, this is an astroturfed NuTrek shill thread. Except shilling for NuTrek. They've been spamming these threads for over a week now
>no one talks about this slop for months>last thread is from August last year>new NuTrek slop comes out>Paramount buys Warner Bros>Lower Decks shilling returns with vengeanceWords cannot describe how much I hate you.
>>152717630I’ve seen them. They’re shit. My point is almost all of good Trek was made in spite of a bad producer. Most of the current issues with the show started with Berman making the show safer and more action oriented to try to chase ratings.
>>152717683I rather the Loom from Prodigy to just eat up that shitty trilogy. Kurzman and his shows can fuck off into the abyss.
>>152717700Prodigy was so much better than LD, it's not even funny. People here threw a tantrum when Prodigy's finale mogged the fuck out of the LD one.
>>152717713I agree and those kids earn it. The protostar is also a good ship and its pretty fast in STO in sector space. It pains me that just because its a "children" show, they don't take it serious. Meanwhile, you have a gay klingon that act like a retarded faggot and other retards in Academy that doesn't deserve to be in the academy at all.
>>152717659It's actually quite easy to tell when /co/ threads are astroturfed. /co/ is a slow board. Threads can literally go on for days before hitting even 100 replies. And yet, these last few LD threads were much more active than the board average.So either LD is more popular than Hazbin Hotel, Smiling Friends, Star Wars and The Amazing Digital Circus combined... or there's a literal fucking marketing team pushing this shit.>>152717751The funny thing about Prodigy is that its writing is more mature than LD despite being the designated kids show. It's also more mature than that Academy show but I feel like comparing Prodigy to it would be doing Prodigy a disservice. They're not even in the same ballpark.
>>152717592People say that to defend Discovery, but I was there during the TNG-ENT transition and it really wasn't anything like this. ENT had very nearly found its footing by the end, but DIS never even got close. Kurtzman himself still hasn't found his Trek footing, and he's too wedded to his own bad ideas to improve. Academy reception is getting worse as the show goes on - a bit like the initial reception to DIS, where people were largely on board and hopeful until Kurtzman repeatedly shat all over everything.Trek crossed a threshold of quality with DIS that made many Trekkies apathetic to its entire existence. Even ENT haters (and TNG haters before them) still cared enough to hate ENT. Most of them ended up watching ENT anyway. Not so for DIS.Most of DIS discourse (DIScourse, if you will) online is from DIS' few diehard fans coping into the void about how much people will be nostalgic for DIS just like they got for ENT. What they don't realize is by all accounts DIS fandom is smaller than ENT fandom ever was - and ENT fandom has never been very big. The troll is not participating in discourse, he doesn't count.The total legacy of this era remains to be seen, but so far it is so deep in the red that the amount of damage that has been done to the IP is on the level of "we just gotta shunt these series into their own timelines like JJ-Trek movies and move on." At least Abrams was courteous enough to only blow up Romulus before fucking off to a new timeline.
>>152713805You lack vision
>>152717760>And yet, these last few LD threads were much more active than the board averagebecause of one spammer being half the fucking repliesnamely, (you)
>>152711525Don't lie to yourself Voyager did more damage to the franchise than any of these other shows ever did. And I'm not kidding every single problem you have with modern Star Trek you can trace back to Voyager being edgy normie crap throw out all that smart stuff let's go punch the borg Queen in the face. Everything in that show contradict it every aspect of Star Trek and then even in the lore of the show they forgot halfway through that Janeway was literally a war criminal. At the end of the federation was like oh let's make you an admiral
>>152717779The only spammer here is (You). Stop spamming these threads. Find a new show to obsess over.
>>152717768>Andorians are canonically polyamorous>people want the main duo to get together>have a unique opportunity to please everyone and score a win for poly representation>do the same tired toxic lesbo routine because it's a cartoon made in [the current year]>end up pissing everyone offAre the writers fucking stupid?
>>152717821Two things:1. She deserved better than Mariner.2. Nobody hates lesbians in happy relationships quite like other lesbians.I do not know why 2. is the case but I see it suspiciously often. I'd wager it's similar to the "divorced man writing his angst" issue that has so damaged the Spider-Man comics over the years.
>>152717821The writers had an irrational hateboner for anything Boimler/Mariner related so this was always a non-starter.
>>152717821ffm is not allowed, its the least safehorny thing imaginable, there like one tv show where that actually is a canon relationship and its not even /co/
>>152717794Remember when the last weekly LD thread got derailed by lesbian news articles and a Pride Month Star Trek comic storytime? That is the most gayest thing I've seen all week and those stinky idiots should never remove the IP counter.
>>152717768if only, and technically Andorans have 4 person relationships, so we can throw in T'lyn, for uh, lore accuracy
>>152717955>Pride Month Star Trek comic storytime?Oh gosh, thanks for reminding me! I forgot to post it for people who haven't had the chance to read it last time.Let's fucking goooooo!
So there's this guy called Sulu and he's a gay sword-fighter. Kinda slay?
>>152717955derailment is always the point with that shit.
>>152717990>>152717983I love being reminded that this is what Star Trek is now.
>>152718011Star Trek is no longer for you <3
>>152718009The only thing that's getting derailed is you talking about how much you want to fuck the brown girl and the green girl for the 5th thread in a row, nothing of value is lost
>>152717821A lot of older Hollywood guys still mistakenly believe that lesbians are an excuse for cheesecake fanservice hidden under a paper thin culture war veneer, and that audiences will accept dyke characters in that spirit with sly winks all around, so they don't realize they are kicking a hornet's nest when they let their mentally ill minimum wage writers do a lesbian subplot in Current year.
>>152717821They're cowards is what they're are.>oh no the internet might think I'm cringe and make fun of me for being horny
>>152718045Sure, but in this case the showrunner literally had some kind of an obsession with a tranny YouTuber and did everything he could to placate that YouTuber. The lesbian subplot was literally inserted into the show to make a YouTuber happy. Let that sink in for a moment.
>>152718045It's kinda sad how they invited so much toxicity for a subplot that had zero relevance to the show's overall story. These threads were really fucking cozy for the first nineteen episodes.
>>152718075Anon are you sure this isn't just ad hoc reasoning on your part?
>>152718166No, the showrunner literally bragged about this. That was pre-Trump 2.0 so listening to trannies was good for cheap publicity. I don't have the exact interview and I don't care enough to find it, but it's out there if you look for it.
>>152717762I mean, I agree STD is irredeemable disposable streaming slop. Shows just don't recover and find their footing like ENT or even TNG did anymore. Enterprise also lost most of their initial audience and only won some people back when Berman stepped away for the final season. The closest thing we've seen to that in NuTrek was season 3 of Picard.It's just unfortunate that the modern version of chasing ratings is dumping some insanely expensive Prestige garbage on a streaming service nobody has. Before streaming we could at least get some quality writing between the episodes where Berman tried to make sexy borg work again.
>>152718204Again anon, are you sure your reasoning is being objective here?
>>152718229Yes. The guy had an interview and talked about the long conversations he had with a trans YouTuber all about how Mariner should actually be a lesbian.
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>>152718448It's about sending [THE MESSAGE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rj9slYsrumc
>>152716438>one of these resident idiots calling themselves a Trekkie didn't even know who Doctor Phlox was. you know, the guy in ENT with the canon STRAIGHT HAREMHe also encouraged Tucker to fuck his wife and I'm paraphrasing but he basically said "you don't want to fuck my wife? Why not? Are you gay or something?"
Sci-Fi is legit dead>Doctor Who>Star Trek>Star WarsThey've all been ruined
>>152716438>Trekkie didn't even know who Doctor Phlox was. you know, the guy in ENT with the canon STRAIGHT HAREM.I will already remember for thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8nxvw_3Oc
I just wish they didn't fucking swear so goddamn much. I clearly don't have issue with shit like bad words and general fucking potty mouth, but son of a bitch if it doesn't feel damn weird coming out of trek right? The worst you ever used to get was a hell or a damn and a one time almost SON OF A *transporting sounds*
I'm going to say it and be hated for it but Into Darkness was the last good or even okay decent Star Trek thing to happen
>>152718853You could have said Beyond which was, at worst, harmless dumb fun but even divorced from Trek Into Darkness was ass. Goddamn you're probably one of those Snyder tards too aren't you?
>>152718853Make that Beyond and I’ll agree with you.
>>152718219NTA but i think the bigger problem is people like kurtzman failing upwardsbecause for all their faults Lower Decks and Prodigy are both not that bad. neither of them vindictively despise their own IP. that level of vitriol isn't a streaming problem.
>>152713614I actually lost my job because of lack of discipline and watching Amphibia. It was a fairly well-paying job (USD120,000 a year with an apartment with annual rental of about the same amount), but I spent most of my time just watching Amphibia instead of actually doing work for three years. I got a very bad performance review and finally quit last year before I could be fired. I have an even better paying job, but its kind of mortifying that I lost the other one because I just wasted time watching a kid's show
>>152713961You will never be a woman, transnigger
>>152714502Lower Decks are likely a separate timeline from Picard, Academy.
>>152718862>>152718865I just like Into Darkness because I like it whenever the Enterprise gets blown up for some reason.
>T'Lyn didn't had a Pon-Farr episode
>>152715077>the only reason a creative decision happened was a YouTuber I don't likeHaving worked in a writer's room, no.
>>152717458That's a whole lot of fucking whining.
>>152718867Lower Decks did unthinkable damage to Star Trek. You can’t just turn a legacy IP into a parody and expect people to treat it seriously. Academy exists because of Lower Decks.Say what you will about Disney’s mistreatment of Star Trek, but they never made an official parody that shits all over everything that made Star Trek special.The postmodern destruction was long in the making but Lower Decks dealt the final blow. So now the Star Trek fan base consists of obnoxious cartoon retards who enjoy Star Trek get torn to shreds. Imagine if someone made a Lord of the Rings adult cartoon and then claimed that it’s canon to Tolkien’s world. Imagine if that cartoon had Aragorn act like a coked out bro.Man, fuck Lower Decks. Throw its “fans” into the wood chipper.
>>152718862>>152718865i for one love the shit out of Beyond.it's SOVL all the way through. the sort of sendoff to the Kelvin timeline that's fun enough to make me sad it's over - and never in a million years did i expect to feel that way after the garbage fire that was Into Darkness.Beyond feels like it shouldn't have been possible for it to exist in the current era. it might be my second favorite Trek movie after Wrath
>>152718943disney has not ever owned star trek and if you meant star wars the holiday special exists
>>152718938>creative decision>creative>implyingI’m glad you’re all out of work now. As much as I hate AI slop, it’s a small price to pay to genocide of the Hollywood writer caste.
>>152718949Love them or hate them at least those 3 movies made it very clear it was all in a different dimension. The only crime might have been being where TOS Spock dies. But Star Trek has always been horrible when it comes to killing main characters.
>>152718479>I'm paraphrasing but he basically said "you don't want to fuck my wife? Why not? Are you gay or something?"Not really close, though "what's the fucking problem? In my culture it's perfectly normal for a married woman to seek flings. She's really nice and seems to like you, lucky dog." People make it out to seem like he's a cuck when he's an alien.
>>152718959I meant to say that Disney never made an official Star Wars parody. The fact Paramount allowed this abomination to get made makes them 10x worse than Disney in my eyes.Fuck Lower Decks. I’m glad it’s dead but I wish I didn’t have to see it here. And the damage it inflicted is likely impossible to undo.
>>152718882DESU, it sounds like that job wasn't a great fit. If you're spending all day watching cartoons and are disengaged, moving on makes sense all around. And hey, lesson learned.More importantly, if your income and rent are basically 1:1, it's time to make changes anyway.
>>152718949Beyond made me feel optimistic about the future of Star Trek. Kurtzman Trek and Lower Dreck made me suicidal
>>152718963>le epic genocideIt's not dead, but you can see why no one's writing for you, right? If you're willing to slit your own throat or put up with dogshit, you really think anyone's going to bother pitching down the middle for you?
>>152718978i seem to also recall some implication that one of the reasons Phlox accepted the job on the Enterprise in the first place was to take a break from his wives being all over him.
>>152718943>Man, fuck Lower Decks. Throw its “fans” into the wood chipper.It's a TV show. You really need to calm down.
>>152718938Sorry but that’s what happened. It’s just the truth. It’s not a secret, they bragged about it.
>>152719005It was implied to be all the convolutions of his family life, including those involving his in-laws. Whatever was going on with his youngest son probably didn't help.
>>152719012>I'm going to believe the title-card main writer's bloviations in an interview as actual factNext, you'll tell me Tasha Yar was written out with subtlety and grace because that's how it was presented in trades. Christ.
>>152719003>but you can see why no one's writing for you, right?Your kind needs to be humbled. Your job is to make what people want to watch. Fuck your delusions of grandeur.
>>152719025>I'm going to believe the title-card main writer's bloviations in an interview as actual factWhy wouldn’t I? The fact that he felt like pandering to a tranny is something to brag about is a separate problem.
>>152719029>I actively hate things as they were written 5 years ago and stated I'm okay with AIslop>you should like totally try winning me back instead of the current moving average audience>I swear I'm totally indicative of the focus test groups that indicate decent ratings in the first season, which is all Netflix and the rest want - blockbuster shit immediatelyAnd I've got delusions?
>>152719038>the fact someone with a title card said a thing is enough to want holy war on people who actually write and don't bragYeah, see, this is why cons need deodorant.
>>152719006but anon what if the thread doesn't get derailed? how will he cope with people just talking about Star Trek when there are youtube grifter talking points to regurgitate?fucking hilarious that the storytime spammer just fucking gave up three pages in this time
>>152718867Both are animated shows though. They have their own set of problems when it comes to streaming but get to sidestep a lot of the insane bloat modern productions deal with. I doubt we'll see truly good live action Trek until producers get their heads out of their asses and start making lower budget sci-fi again.
>>152719044Your cult-like devotion to identity politics has led to an industry-wide decline. If you actually paid attention to real people instead of your California bubble, you would know that most people don’t really fuck with this nonsense.Five years ago, someone like Critical Drinker was just a guy on the internet. Today, YouTubers like him shape sentiment. And they’ve told repeatedly how to win back audiences. You didn’t listen, you still don’t.Shitty, (intentionally) divisive decisions are shitty and divisive. Doesn’t matter if they were made 5, 10 or 50 years ago
>>152718943Star Wars had the official Robot Chicken and Family Guy specials and people fucking loved those. Even outside of official material people love Galaxy Quest and Spaceballs. A good parody only works if you truly love the thing you're parodying. People who aren't spergs understand that.
>>152719101>Star Wars had the official Robot Chicken and Family Guy specials and people fucking loved thoseNo one claimed they were canon, retard.
>>152719085>Five years ago, someone like Critical Drinker was just a guy on the internet. Today, YouTubers like him shape sentiment. And they’ve told repeatedly how to win back audiences. You didn’t listen, you still don’t.Pasta or unmedicated?
>>152719085>California bubble>INTENTIONALLY divisive>IDENTITY politics (not consolidation, crushing pressure to perform "day one" on streaming, COL jumping, jockeying for production tax credits even among Canadian provinces) led to an industry-wide declineYou get all your takes from YouTube? You don't say.
>>152719135Deeply unmedicated.
>>152719152>>152719135YouTubers and influencers hold the power now. They shape discourse. Put aside your industry pride and adapt. Or get left behind.
>>152719168>YouTubers and influencers hold the power now. They shape discourse.Wrong. Ad sales have been clawed back. Mr. Beast has to pay for his own views. You're lending faith in rantsonas for free.
>>152710697Its a love letter from true fans of the franchise.
>>152719183Cope as much as you want. Your random dipshit YouTuber gets more views than most things coming out of Hollywood.Markiplier recently humiliated the industry so hard they had to scrub him off the Box Office charts.
>>152719197Please stop basing your entire worldview on twitter engagement bait accounts.
>>152717713That's a lot of cope for a show about a Trans mc
>>152719193It’s a love letter to Memory Alpha editors if anything. Without MA, they wouldn’t pull off the memberberry griftI truly believe that not a single person involved in this shitshow liked Star Trek
>>152719207Even if I am, that just proves my point. YouTubers have enough clout to get shit canceled now.
>>152718491Disney was able to save star wars by reviving it with actual diversity. Biggest box office of any star wars films was all Disney revival. People agreed with their wallets. Solo flopping was even proof nobody was forced to watch any of the movies and mad their own choice how good they were
>>152719197>youyouyou>the tide of YouTube is inevitable!The money spigot's drying up. Remember "pivot to video," only for the Facebook algo shift in 2012 to kill Cracked and the like? Prepare to see that for every "content creator" who's relying on a BetterHelp plug to make rent.
>>152719222>If I'm a lemming leaping off a cliff, that means I'm riding the edge, baby!Jesus wept.
>>152719222Bro you fell for a fake rage bait headline.
>>152719210>upset the writers know the franchises history because they actually watched the series That's on you.
>>152719227>>152719207>so tilted he had to reply twiceTwo more weeks till YouTube dies and plebeians return to kiss Hollywood’s feet. Two more weeks I say!
>>152719237That just means his finger is ON THE PULSE!
>>152719246>>152719237This samefagging is embarrassing bro
>>152719243>"tilted"We're two different people, numbnuts.
>>152719241They haven’t watched shit. They steal all their “Easter eggs” from Memory Alpha articles and most of the time they get them wrong anyway.
>>152719251Doesn’t matter. It just means there’s two coping faggots ITT instead of just one.
>>152710697This is one of the few instances where the headwriter having a hate boner for shipping kinda ruined the show. To an extent I can understand wanting to subvert tropes, but making a character a dyke out of spite is just a dick move.
>>152719276If it ever returns, it must be without McMahan’s involvement. The cast has potential, the premise has potential.
>>152719276>having a hate boner for shipping kinda ruined the showHe didn’t have a hateboner for shipping. The show is full of lazy shipbait. He has a hateboner for this specific ship. Everything else was fair game. They even turned Garak and Bashir into married faggots.
>>152719265>>152719249>claim it's samefagging, twice>no, it's not>uhhh this still says a lot about societyMaybe switching to books would do you good.
>>152719276I can't justify his hatred for Boimler x Mariner, but I was relieved they didn't get together. "Two characters appeared together in the first episode, they've got to be together" does get samey.
>>152719276This, Startrek has always been a Schmaltzy romance ridden show since the beginning, it just balanced it out with scifi shenanigans to make it more palatable. To activately go against that(while only feeding into the lgbt crowd that makes up like 5% of the Trekkie audience) was a retarded move.
>>152719227>Prepare to see that for every "content creator" who's relying on a BetterHelp plug to make rentNot everyone will make it on YouTube and that’s fine. Content creation is a competition. It shouldn’t be adult daycare.Hollywood writers are used to being treated like princesses. They have contempt for their audiences. They can write things for themselves only and no one will tell them “fuck off” because Hollywood is adult daycare. “Here’s $10 million for your ego project, have fun!”YouTube doesn’t work like that. You either have the best content or you don’t make money. It’s fiercely competitive. A YouTube can’t just tell his audience to fuck off and expect money to keep coming. It’s a ruthless system but it’s a healthier one. There’s no room for ego, the platform won’t babysit you.
>>152719306>"Two characters appeared together in the first episode, they've got to be together" does get samey.Doing nothing instead is not brave or subscribe. A good writer would treat that as a challenge, a lesser writer resorts to cowardly subversion.
>>152719327or subversive*
>>152719318>Hollywood writers are used to being treated like princesses.There is no way you seriously believe a $10 million production budget trickles substantially to a writer's room, let alone one in the last 10 years. It is very routine to pay $2000 for three writers to bang out the majority of a season and bring in fixers for $500 per.>it's just, like, adult daycare>ego project>writers can just say "fuck off"You've openly stated you get your takes from YouTube and this is still stunningly fucking stupid.
>>152719318You are about 15 years too late to be talking about Youtube like this and it would've been completely delusional even back then.
>>152719318>You either have the best content or you don’t make money.It's mathematically proven the algo rewards abnormal and synthetic metrics like the "interestingness" of thumbnails from AI analysis. You really don't get it, do you?
>>152719297>hello hetero sexual fan, we've heard your crys for nice steamy fanservice with our titular characters, but fret not, tune in next episode to watch 2 ugly homos cry in eachothers arms who are not even from our show!>pls understandYour the reason I dont feel bad when all these gay ass writers go on Linkedin and cry about how they have to move back to their bumblefuck hometown because they havnt had a job in 2 years
>>152719307>while only feeding into the lgbt crowd that makes up like 5% of the Trekkie audienceThis seems to be Paramount’s target demo with NuTrek thoughbeit. They want to replace the old guard with a bunch of blue-haired queers who watch RuPaul.Unfortunately for NuTrek and LD, queers are not very loyal, so everyone who tuned in because they heard that the brown girl is a lesbian probably fucked off the moment pandering ended.So the show spited a loyal group of fans in favor of people who didn’t even stick around.
>>152719357>everyone who tuned in because they heard that the brown girl is a lesbian probably fucked off the moment pandering ended.How many people do you think did that? Enough for Paramount to gamble on ratings, or just enough for some YouTuber to exaggerate and then tell you is weird and fake and gay?
>>152719357>So the show spited a loyal group of fans in favor of people who didn’t even stick around.So "loyal" they screeched and ran when they saw a gay relationship, in the 2020's?
>>152719369So loyal they keep making fanart even though the show and the writers kept shitting on them. It’s hilarious that IDW is still pushing that dyke couple. It’s probably the only dyke couple with more official fanart than unofficial fanart. Quite an achievement.
>>152719377>if I do fanart of a show, you shouldn't ever say you don't like that ship>maybe especially if we've never metAre you retarded?
>>152719377yeah, I said loyal, not cucks who stick around to get spat on for 3 different projects simultaneously
>>152719344I don’t get my takes from YouTube. I’ve witnessed the hubris firsthand. Just because you don’t think a certain way doesn’t mean your peers are the same.Either way, YouTube is here to stay. And it’ll keep claiming more and more of the market share. This is not a YouTuber take. Netflix’s Ted Sarandos said so himself. YouTube is currently the biggest streaming service.Sponsorships aren’t the only monetization option. Glitch Productions has built its own industry. And their shows are running circles around most animation coming out of Hollywood.
>>152719392>I'm a really brave boy for not watching a show I stopped liking
>>152719388Your entitlement is showing again. No one owes you free engagement. Savor it while you get it.
>>152711525If Paramount is losing money, why would they spend money advertising a cancelled show? It seems inefficient, even before getting into the problem with advertising on the piracy website.
>>152719395>I don't get my TAKES from YouTube, only the weird moral air of someone who WATCHES YOUTUBE>just becaue you don't think a certain waywait, wait>just because you DON'T think a certain way DOESN't mean your peers are the sameParsing the weird double-negative, are you trying to remind me my coworkers and other writers in the industry may not think exactly as I do ... therefore you're right about the industry AT LARGE being "an adult daycare"? You sure you're ready for Jedi mind tricks?
>>152719406Anon is clearly a schizo making up narratives in his mind that distort the truth to make his world view seem true. Don't attack him with facts and truth. That'll only crumble his fragile ego
>>152719406The show is still on the service and they can sucker people into subscribing with low effort advertising.
>>152719404>no one owes you free engagementBuddy, you're trying to get free respect for drawing fanart of a cartoon AND free sympathy for some writer somewhere later saying they don't like it. The fuck?
>>152719255>remembering something means you're stealing it Yikes. Might wanna have your mom refill your meds prescription
>>152719409You’re crashing out. Go to bed. It’s midnight in LA and you have work tomorrow in your dying industry.Or not… probably not. You wouldn’t be here crashing out otherwise.
>>152719396Thats the worst part, I did the watch the show, I particpated in discussions and even bought an official Mariner statuate because it looked good. Thats why Im pissed at how it turned out, because I cared, allot of people cared, and the writers continued to spit in our faces at every oppertunity until we stopped caring....and when we stopped caring, everything got cancelled at pretty much the same time. sucks to suck and karmas a bitch
>>152719435They already got your money, sucker. If a show doesn’t do what I want, I stop supporting it.
>>152719430>crashing outBuddy, get mad I can read all you want, but "no no remember I might actually be right" doesn't normally work with adults.
>>152719413The entire current streaming model is based around dropping new shit on streaming and completely abandoning shows after a few seasons. They're not spending time promoting a show currently airing past season 2 never mind one cancelled years ago.
Just gonna leave this here.
>>152719425>I TOTALLY DIDN’T COMB THROUGH MEMORY ALPHA FOR REFERENCES>I’M A REAL STAR TREK FAN>THIS IS TOTALLY NOT A GRIFTGo to bed, Mike.
>>152719435>an animated property I stopped watching ended after 5 seasons>surely this was karmaAnon, I get this is /co/ but do you notice even tentpoles get about that much runway now?>the writers spit in our facesI've had shows piss me off too, but I'd rather have the opportunity for disappointment than for it to become 100% memberberries and fanservice.
>>152719443I’m not mad. You’re crashing out because I presented you with facts about the current state of the industry, which you refuse to acknowledge.Your view of the platform is outdated and biased.
>>152719413>on a pirating websiteOK, schizo
>>152719438As much as I hate the new "rush to super-blockbuster" Netflix got rolling after "Stranger Things," it is refreshing that streaming services know what's faltering pretty much instantly now. If you don't watch a show, they notice. Hatewatching is still watching.
>>152719457>than for it to become 100% memberberries and fanserviceBut that’s already Lower Decks. It’s the most shameless, laziest fanservice. You’re trying to paint the irrational, open contempt for one subset of the fandom as “refusing to do fab service” in a dishonest attempt to make it look… noble?
>>152719466Fred: The Movie is going to change the industry bro. Don't forget to watch The Guild!
>>152719475>Fred: The MovieYour age is showing.
>>152719457It lasted longer than og trek because it was widely considered to be superior
>>152719466>I presented you with facts about the current state of the industryNo, you've tried to say "no no YouTubers had vengeance and your day is slowly coming" like four times. I estimated how writers typically get paid on streaming projects ($2000 per head, 3-5 writers, early script lock, much lower rates for cleanup for 3-5 rounds) and you didn't even blink.>your view of the platform is outdated and biased>"the platform," without a subject change from "the industry"I mentioned Mr. Beast of all people needing to feed himself views. That speaks to growing strength of "the platform"? You sure, bud?
>>152719474>if you say something I don't like, it's dishonestI said I'd rather have a show piss me off sometimes than have handpuppets waved in front of my face all day, yeah.
>>152719474Pandering to you is the biggest disservice any series can do. You and your values are worthless
>>152719481>you've tried to say "no no YouTubers had vengeance and your day is slowly coming" like four timesNo. I said that the most popular animated project of this decade is a YouTube original. The company behind that project has built its own financing pipeline.You’re old and you’re out of touch. It happens.
>>152719480Ehh, I'd give TOS a break. They had to sell it to individual stations before the space program was really getting its legs. Most people would have taken it as kid's stuff, and considering how camp it could be, they weren't wrong. 3 years in 60's sci-fi makes sense if you're not hitting the lottery like "Lost In Space."
>>152719487>more contemptAnd that is why your projects get canceled. You’ll just have to learn the hard way.
>>152719457okay now im not sure if you just max level coping or just being an obtuse faggot. canceling a bad show after 5 seasons isnt karma, but shitcanning multple projects from of the biggest IPs on the planet simultaneously is definitely a statement being made
>>152719494No, actually, you said "Glitch Productions has carved out its own industry" because you don't know "niche." You also didn't mention any one project.
>>152719479Yeah, I lived through the time where Youtube was actually a competitive platform and watched as all those totally industry changing projects failed. All that's left now are millionaires who learned how to game the algorithm with cheap engagement bait masquerading as independent creators.
>>152719480>It lasted longer than og trekLower Decks shat out half of the episodes TOS did at half the runtime. Dripfeeding less content over a longer period of time is not an achievement. LD’s total content is equivalent to one season of TNG. It got canceled after two real seasons, if you want to be generous/
>>152719505>shitcanning multple projects from of the biggest IPs on the planetPineverse wasn't going to come back this late, I'm sorry.
>>152719508YouTube is still competitive. You just lost the ability to compete, but that’s a (You) problem. Skill issue.
>>152719505Buddy, they were straight up talking about what happened with "Lower Decks" and mentioned their buy-in with the Mariner statue, etc. Why the fuck would I pull a Reddit and pretend they were really discussing "Star Trek: Legacy" and a Kelvinverse sequel?
>>152719510No need to be upset ToS was garbage compared to lower decks. The fans enjoyed watching it more. That's not your fault
>>152719507You’ve misunderstood. Glitch has built a content distribution industry with interconnected merchandising options.Their content is anything but niche.
>>152719510>let's just compare runtimes of completely different projectsBy that logic, "First Contact" was shit because it was only 90-some minutes.
>>152719524>content distribution INDUSTRYThat's an integration. Jesus.
>>152719521>the fansTOS spawned multiple shows and movies. In syndication, it was watched by hundreds of millions. It’s still one of the most-watched Trek shows.Lower Decks is forgotten. It never charted anywhere. Most people don’t even know it exists.
>>152719529Policing words now, are we? Which stage of desperation is this?
>>152719525If you want to be generous and say that episode is an episode, fifty is a pathetic count for a Star Trek show. It’s pathetic even for an adult cartoon. Especially one attached to a major IP.
>literally can't talk about anything on 4chan anymore, because everything have at least one obsessed freak who dedicates their life to spamming every thread to shitIt's so tiring.
>>152719534>canceled show after 3 seasons Must have not been that good. A turd that spawns a flower because of how shit it is doesnt doesnt lend beauty to the flower. LD was watched by more people in the fraction of the 90 years tos has been out.
>>152719537If you really don't know the difference between creating a new industry (Ford and mechanized car production, Swanson with TV dinners) and an indie studio figuring out both direct distribution and merch licensing, we're past "policing."
>>152719516I hope you're not too bitter when the way too late reality check hits.
>>152719447Season 5 has only 50 user reviews. I could easily push it over to Rotten with some accounts on my own. I won’t. But I could.
>>152719546>LD was watched by more people in the fraction of the 90 years tos has been out.I like "Lower Decks," but that's not likely true. TOS was dirt cheap in syndication through the 80's. Everyone knew who and what Spock was because it was on nearly every day. It's largely how they were able to justify later Trek movies and TNG: Q-scores were insane.
I think I got about half-way into the first episode of it before I got bored and stopped.
>>152719546>LD was watched by more people in the fraction of the 90 years tos has been outIts viewership was roughly 30k viewers per episode. It never charted on Nielsen, it never broke into Top 50 shows anywhere.
>>152719552>directly address the show we were discussing, ending at 5 seasons and not likely karma>oh so you're coping about the other rumored pre-production shows getting shitcanned, huh?Abortions happen every day, son.
>>152719534>muh memberberries
>>152719558That's honestly fair, it's one of the weakest. Same reason I don't blame my folks for not liking TNG that much. "Farpoint" was a drag.
>>152719558How'd you get through TNG S1?It's entire first season is rough. Really fucking rough.
>>152719547An autistic writer who can only grasp the most literal, encyclopedic meanings of words. The state of Hollywood truly is dire.
>>152719551Two more weeks, anon. Two more weeks. YouTube will fall in two more weeks.
>>152719557Can you even watch Star Trek shit on cable in the US anymore?
I will never understand why Star Trek turns people into obsessive drones who make this stupid commie shit their entire personality.
>>152719574>I'll just confuse Glitch Productions studio for an "industry" and then call fact-checking autistic>I really have a bead on "the industry," which I will not square with the aboveYouTube really didn't do you favors, kid.
>>152719447Leave the series reviews to the professionals
>>152719568>>152719573TNG is trash. >b-but it gets better!No it doesn't.
>>152719580Most people watch it on streaming and they don’t bother with NuTrek slop. I just saw some TOS edits on TikTok the other day.
>>152719580Not sure, haven't paid for straight cable in years. Pretty sure Spike still has the rights? Maybe SyFy? Not sure I've bothered with anything but the PlutoTV marathon channel in a while.
>>152719590It does exactly up to the point it doesn't. By the time Riker's Dad shows up, they'd run out of gas.
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>>152719590Is there any Star Trek you like, anon?Enterprise? Voyager Elite Force? Insurrection?
>>152719598>Is there any of this commie shit you like, anon? That's a really stupid question.
>>152719582You are cripplingly autistic. I almost pity you and your inability to cope with reality. It’s not your fault really. You work and live in a sheltered environment.
>>152719609>confusing BIZ100 terms>laying pityAnon ...
>>152719579Why would it fall? It's part of the regular hollywood media ecosystem and has been for a long time.
>>152719581NuTrek is not Star Trek. OG Star Trek, TNG especially was a one of a kind science fiction show. We’ll never get anything like it ever again.
>>152719608I hope you find meaning in life one day, anon.>>152719597lmao
>>152719618A Hollywood big shot writer, spending Thursday night, on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, in a thread for a canceled, niche cartoon, arguing over the meaning of the word “industry.”
>>152719620Basically, yeah. Every show is a product of its time, the particular writing staff, the creative direction and popular trends. TNG was a lot like TOS largely because Roddenberry was able to lay down the show bible. Everything else has been more changeable.That said, I don't hate Starfleet Academy as much as I wish modern shows didn't shoot goddamn everything in half-light with harsh red and blue highlights.
>>152719620TNG isn't Star Trek. It's a cash grab that tries to force the show from the 60s to work in the 80s and fails.
>>152719629That canceled niche cartoon is based off a canceled niche series. Show some respect
>>152719633I see what you’re doing and I just want to tell you that you’re not making a point. You’re just pretending to be retarded. Someone had to tell you this.
>>152719633>implying tos wasnt a cash grab that lasted 4 less seasons because of how much worse it was
>>152719629You tried to lay it on me that Glitch Productions "made its own industry" and that's why I should take YouTube more seriously. It's a studio with multiple projects using YouTube as a distribution channel. Hand-waving the difference is showing your ass.As for the time, it's a free country. I like midnight tendies and Tendi. So sue me.
>>152719639You sound like my parents
>>152719636If you want to get particular, TNG wasn't cancelled, it was wound down. ENT's the only show until DISC to be summarily cancelled, not ended by producers.
>>152719636Too bad LD didn’t manage to capture at least one tenth of its audience, or even one hundredth of its cultural impact.But that’s all it is, eh? A soulless Star Trek-themed theme park ride. It’s hard to even call it television really. The whole show is just an excuse to cram as many things for people to soijak over into one minute as possible. It’s the nadir of what storytelling should be. Just lazy references to superior material.
>>152719645You’ve misunderstood the argument and you’re autistically latching onto semantics, because you feel that’s the only way you can get some kind of a gotcha in this argument. Glitch is impressive because it circumvented the entire system and delivered better results than Hollywood. Their model is sustainable. It doesn’t require “BetterHelp” sponsorships. More studios like it will follow.Hollywood is no longer necessary. YouTube democratized content production and it’s growing more and more influential. You scoff at the idea of someone like the Critical Drinker having more pull over sentiment than legacy media. But the truth is that with each generation legacy media become more and more irrelevant. The “offline” generation (e.g., you) will die out, and terminally online generations raised on internet content will replace them. Gen Z is the test bed for it. Gen Z will support its favorite creators directly, without a middleman or a studio system.
>>152719687Youtubers are some of the most obnoxiously Hollywood LA people you will literally ever meet.
>>152719656More episodes were watched than ToS because more people wanted to watch them. Getting canceled after 3 seasons isn't cultural significance. If tos was better it would have got more seasons like lower decks did
>>152719744see >>152719639
>>152719698>>152719698Still better than entitled Hollywood head writers. Look, I have no problem with average writers just trying to make a living. You’re right that money doesn’t trickle down to grunts.I have a problem with hubris. You have a show creator who gets $10 million from a studio to make something only he wants to watch because he’s a narcissist. This has to stop. This shouldn’t be allowed unless you’re Martin fucking Scorsese or James Cameron. You make a Rick and Morty style cartoon for a streaming service, calm your fucking ego. You’re not Christopher Nolan.You wanna make something only for yourself? Grab a fucking camera and do it on your own. Once you get money from a studio, you have an obligation to deliver a product that pleases me (the consumer).
>>152719769A studio you don’t pay, especially on ad-supported distribution like you’ve been flogging, has an OBLIGATION to appeal to you, not the dead average person who’d watch more than 30%? Why?
>>152719758See>>152719639
>>152719687>Gen Z will just pay each creator, like, individually>what is sub fatigue
>ToS was canceled after 3 seasons in the 60s>the same 60s in which most homes only have 2 channels on their TV That slop wouldn't last the pilot episode today
>>152719859Sadly, yeah. Even TNG would have been smothered in the crib.
>>152719687No, I got the argument. Glitch is doing something neat and laudable. I'd argue a studio raising its own money, striking its own distribution and merch is something people have tried since the 70's. Think "Thief and the Cobbler." They didn't enjoy the same success, partly because home distribution only recently gelled.Finding and nurturing an audience for an indie project is an accomplishment. Balancing the funds raised with what they get from ads and merch is something even big firms struggle with. That's just not "an industry." As someone who works in the very general "entertainment industry," it doesn't leave me taking you very seriously, no.>it doesn't require BetterHelp sponsorshipsNo, it requires ads delivered on platforms like YouTube. That's ad-supported streaming. It's sustainable because Google is large enough, some argue monopolistic enough, to get the ads to ultimately pay. Smaller creators can't make up the difference with an operating loan as a studio might. THEY need to produce their own ad spots.>YouTube democratized content productionProduction? No, it's a centrallized content distribution platform. In some ways a fairly rigid one. It in itself doesn't enable an independent creator or studio to start creating product more easily than if they'd joined Disney. Tools like Flash do.If you're this wrong about the present, why should I believe the fortunetelling?
>>152717983im suprised by those writer i thought half of them were dead
>>152718491Star Gate is next
>>152718491I blame women and the men who act like women.
>>152710697the comics are really fun and the choose your own adventure comic is about as good as a great episode of TNG. On par with best of both worlds (though personally I prefer Family)
>>152718886and you'll never be a man 4channer
>Lezzie Dykes bronies admit that they hate real Star Trek and only like this MLPfication of it
>>152717786Voyager has obvious flaws; the reliance on the Reset Button and the lack of strong conflicts between the crews beyond that first couple episodes being the biggest; but it has enough redeemable qualities that you can look passed it.
>>152719933>he doesn't knowThey did an entire series eight years ago on MGM's flop of a streaming service that everyone's completely blocked from their memory because it was such a steaming pile of shit.
>>152717328what the fuck do you know about pike outside of SNW faggot
>>152713825retard post from a retard poster. >muh subversionsits literally a star trek show with more jokes I get that you hate star trek and you're in your late 50's and you remember when "trek was good" even though you were probably shitting on DS9 because of PC taking over the tv why isn't he white and old like picard who you hated for not being young and white like kirk because you're a contrarian faggot on /co/ so here is your (you) I hope you choke on it
>>152718463>critical drinkerdrink bleach if you watch this retard who couldn't make a point if you handed him a knife
>>152720965>Lezzie Dykesfucking kek
Exactly what is erotic about this artstyle? It's the same character models with swapped hair and skin tones
>>152719837If a YouTuber doesn’t give his audience what they want, he goes broke. There’s no safety net. Shitty writers need to be reminded that it’s their job to make the audience happy.
>>152721487Adult animation fags are some of the biggest crippling spergs out there. LDfags not only obsess over a shitty generic cartoon, they also obsess over stick figure CalArts waifus.I wish they would just fuck off forever but I’m getting a feeling this thread is not fully organic. They’ll slavebump it all day long so the best way to get rid of it is to spam it till it 404s.
>>152720965MLP was a good show. It was a popular show. This garbage is neither good nor popular. I don’t know why it’s getting pushed here all of a sudden.
>>152719652LD also lasted 5 seasons. A part of me wonders if LD and PRO were canned because Kurtzman doesn't like animation. We don't actually have the viewership numbers for either of them.
>>152721488>they have an obligation to make enjoyable product>an obligation to make product that does more than make returns?>THE GREAT MARKET SORTS, DARWIN STYLE
>>152722178Seasons are meaningless when they're only 10 episodes long. LD only survived for 50 episodes, which is pathetic.
>>152722196That’s how most shows are pitched and designed this side of “Stranger Things.” Production values are approximate to90’s blockbusters per episode. Getting someone to sign off on 23 would be great but unlikely.
>>152722196>Seasons are meaningless when they're only 10 episodesI'd say having new episodes yearly for 5 years is the meaningful metric here.>>152721276>>152721472The Rick and Morty comparison always seems surface-level to me, since I don't recall Rick and Morty ever paying as much attention to lighting as Lower Decks did. Lower Decks can feel much less flat in scenes like these.
>>152722492>I'd say having new episodes yearly for 5 years is the meaningful metric hereDripfeeding content. Corporations don't order just 10 episodes of something. The show had an initial order of thirty episodes and got renewed two times.I love how NuTrek apologists love to say that Discovery is the longest-running Star Trek show even though it had fewer episodes than Enterprise. Spreading your episodes across in time doesn't mean you were more successful.
>3 threads off-topic garbage>jannies don't do anythingThis shit belongs in /TRASH/
