Leaked clip from Pixar's cancelled film Befri has been posted onlinehttps://files.catbox.moe/98tvmh.mp4
im really tired of shit like thisit's a miracle it got canned considering this ilk keeps finding a way to get made through other means
wtf is going on with these links
>>152733232catbox being a shithttps://gofile.io/d/Z17tqZ
Looks lame
>>152733215Link not working.Don't care much anyways. I'm more interested in that Newt workprint that was apparently part of the gigaleak a couple years back. That was produced at the tail end of their golden years
remember when someone dumped the befri concept art here?
>>152733299that was me
>>152733215Looks like another therapy session
>>152733215is this really beanmouths vs the non-beanmouths?
Link's dead
More magical girl inspired Steven Universe bullshit
>be kpop demon hunters>make kpop demon hunting look like the coolest shit ever>be befri>make joining the magical girls like something terriblehmmmm
>>152733442thanks!
>>152733473>>152733492sailor moon ruined an entire generation of western women
>>152733232https://blog.catbox.moe/post/809324731954266112/missing-files-blank-uploads-commercialpomf.lain's death increased catbox's users to a point where its servers can't handle them and uploads fail. Catmin wants to buy more hardware but with jewish manufacturers selling everything to AIslop companies the prices are too high for him. Also other jews are using catbox for commercial purposes like uploading AIslop media made by jeets without caring if the files violate Catbox's TOS and even US laws or not. tl;dr: jews and jeets ruin everything for everyone again.
It's really hard to express any kind of opinion on this. Like there's anything to say about another generic clone of SU/Turning Red, especially a thin slice. This could've been a CalArts student project that only 20 people have seen and I would equally believe it. Good.
>>152733473Don’t insult Steven Universe
>>152733215I need every person who thinks that framing a story around “being an American teen who likes magical girls” and treats it like “a clever vehicle for childhood introspection” should be thrown into a volcano.
>>152733492The main difference is that Befri is clearly some meta commentary about growing up and staying true to your friends, and it uses the whole concept of magical girls as a framing device for the actual main premise, while KPop is magical girl movie. Like it's just that without half a dozen layers of abstraction (?).
What makes Western magical girl fail but mahou shoujo anime succeed?
>>152733712Steven Universe insults itself and art et large by existing
>>152733778Western productions either copy the basic premise of magical girls (young/teen girls fighting monsters and bad guys) without adding something interesting, or do the radical opposite and coat the story and its characters in seven layers of irony and twists until the production becomes a parody of the magical girl genre. Also the toys based on these shows tend to suck so less kids bother with watching it.
>>152733778Because they get literally everything wrong?
>>152733778they don't have thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl2ck8I5spI
>The film followed 2 girl best friends who go through a platonic breakup. sooo, they were actually supposed to be lesbos, right?
>>152733215Thots:>I kind of like the idea of the protagonist being the girl who wasn't chosen to be a magical girl and what >>152733772 says. I'm sure it's not the first "magical girl" story to tackle that but that doesn't really matter to me.>I think this would work better as a show.>Birdie's dad seeing flashing images of Disney kids with their dads when she asked for his help made me huff in amusement.>it'd be interesting if instead this happened after Jules already joined the squad but then Birdie was the "chosen one" of some opposing force. Birdie could struggle with the short-term satisfaction of getting back at Jules and the squad vs. the guilt she feels over making Jules feel like she's a shit magical girl.>I didn't hate this style for Turning Red because it focused on tweens but it needed a different coat of paint. Not everyone has to be tiny waifs but I'm so tired of this particular look.>I don't really think this was going to go down the "magical girl bad/we're subverting tropes!!" route. It is coming across as a little too self-aware but I'd have to see what the magical girl squad is normally like.>>152733961While there are lots of jokes about there being potentially homoromantic undertones to that especially weirdly intense bond girls could form with each other as kids, no, crazy platonic "breakups" are a real thing.
>>152733778A lot of things go over American heads
>>152733778Strong womxn at the production lead, instead of funny salaryman and awkward Japanese girl
>>152733778I think it's a mix of once so much of one thing has been done so many times you feel like you need to do something to make YOUR version stand out, and a fear of sincerity (either from the creators or the producers). I have no doubt that there's lots of overlooked webcomics or self-published stuff by western authors that are completely sincere in how they do magic girls, it's when you want to go mainstream and reach a specific audience does things go belly-up. And considering no magical girl show has made it big in the west since Sailor Moon I wonder if the genre really has a place here.
>>152733778No true passion or respect for the genre, so it just comes across as a parody rather than played straight.Sometimes they try too hard to change stuff and be subversive, with magical girls that kick ass "hardcore style", when anime magical girls already do fight hardcore >>152733939Feels like only the French do it right with Lolirock and Miraculoushttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-qtKqhEJeMStar Vs The Forces of Evil is a special case though. While being overtly parody with the magical girl stuff sometimes, it still felt very original and "it's own thing".
>>152733645Can AI just fucking die already? Why does it need to ruin everything for everyone else?
winx club and ben 10 also did great as magical girl/boy shows
>>152733778Because all of them have like multiple layers of abstraction. Like it's not "This is a story of a group of magical girls fighting evil" and instead is the author creating a story about the idea of growing up with magical girls and uses the concepts more to talk about her own specific life experiences. Like one appeals to teen girls and the other appeals to people who were teen girls and grew up on a specific subgenre. Most american magical girl media is to referential to the idea of watching magical girl series. It's not here's a genre, it's here's a story about how said genre was meaningful to me.
>>152734233Americans can only do Magical Girl series right when they're boys.
>>152734241>This is a story of a group of magical girls fighting evilKpop Demon Hunters hit jackpot with doing this and combining it with kpop music and a solid story
>>152733548>What if Madoka was really about MadokaWell, maybe that could w–>And most of the story was about girls' inability to get along with each other just like I remember junior high, with minimal action sequencesI'm actually glad Cagle lost her motivation to continue working on it. People actually contributed money to her navel gazing ineptitude. KNOWING HOW TO DRAW WELL DOES NOT CONFER STORYTELLING WISDOM, IT NEVER DID
>>152734241This, I'm no connoisseur of the genre but I feel like you can count the number of of western-made magical girl shows that played it pretty straight and actually found success on one hand.
>>152733548It's Madoka Magica that ruined them. 15 years ago it propagated the idea that Magical Girls are a valid format to deconstruct, but they don't know anything about what they are trying to deconstruct.>>152734110>And considering no magical girl show has made it big in the west since Sailor Moon I wonder if the genre really has a place here.Arguably the '10s pony show started as a magical girl show and lasted ~8 years. It likely worked so well because the showrunner wanted to make a magical girl pony show. When done well
>>152734338imagine if the comic being on hiatus is because she is working on an animated proyect related to said comic, or her first comic (KiwiBlitz) or another unknown proyect.She said she is working on Pokemon stuff (and doing vtuber stuff for her niche fanbase) but it is pretty rare that she is spending her work time on that since her comic went on hiatus, considering that it is Poke TCG we are talking about. I am sure she is additionally working on something behind the scenes.
>>152734363I think you could count the number of western-made magical girl IP that played it straight on one hand.
>>152733492i've said it before and will again, but kpop dh was so big because it tried to think about what little girls would actually enjoy as a power fantasy (cute outfits! fun hair! everyone thinks you're cool and amazing! you have your own merch! hot and troubled but good at heat boy loves you!)
Whenever there's a new western magical girl show, /co/ always asks 'why Sailor Moon and not Precure' and the answer is simple: most of these women grew up in a time where they only HAD Sailor Moon (and CCS and Tokyo Mew Mew but clearly those didn't leave as much of an impact). Precure didn't debut until 2004 and the dub didn't air until 2009 and only in Canada. A lot of these people simply didn't have access to a wider range of anime and it becoming more mainstream in the west coincided with Madoka's release.
>>152734417>Lolirock>Miraculous>Netflix She-ra?? Are we gonna count She-ra as a magical girl?>Princess Gwenevere and the Jewel Rriders>Winx>W.I.T.C.HHey there's six if you wanna count She-ra. 7 if you wanna count the colorful equines.
>>152734425>it tried to think about what little girls would actually enjoy as a power fantasyHalf of the reason western entertainment is falling is due to how much the artistic class has become allergic to creating power fantasies, as if that was a moral failure.
>>152734400I'm genuinely pleased she found paying work, but Jesus Christ SD was a disappointment, especially from someone who was living and working in Japan when Madoka came out, and could be expected to know better. All the themes in SD could have been woven into an action story the way even Butch understood to do, instead of this dismal therapy tale pretending to be MS. If you're going to borrow a genre respect its conventions instead of just wearing its trappings.
>>152734382>It's Madoka Magica that ruined them. 15 years ago it propagated the idea that Magical Girls are a valid format to deconstruct, but they don't know anything about what they are trying to deconstruct.This. And just to show how big a tar baby Madoka was, even its creator utterly fucked up the movies out of his hatred of the fanbase.
>>152733215>>152733232>>152733286>>152733468i'm guessing op got it from https://x.com/itsamedfffaz/status/2030384352773685408here's a mirror linkhttps://h.uguu.se/eCvbuerw.mp4http://web.archive.org/web/20260307234626/https://h.uguu.se/eCvbuerw.mp4
>>152734552Personally, I blame 9/11 (joking but I wonder if there's some kernel of truth in there).
>>152733454The economy is so resolutely fucked that sad childless women with bullshit corporate daycare jobs are the only viable demo left.
A minute in and I'm already bored.Is calarts some kind of factory where artists get reformed into making the most bland beanmouth characters ever?
>>152734492Miraculuos is more straight superhero than magical girl and Netflix She-ra was pretty subverted rather than playing the genre straight. Still pretty good job coming up with 5 even if you did need to go back to the 90s.
>>152734585>its creator utterly fucked up the movies out of his hatred of the fanbaseQRD? I usually only hear of this sort of behaviour from western artists.>>152734626That's too recent, I'd say it goes back at least to the 60's, gradually increasing since then except for the 80's.
>>152734552Fantasies in general
>>152734623Surprisingly based Pixar ceo
>>152733215Funnily enough, Dreamworks is releasing a movie that has a similar premise, of two girls breaking their friendship after a magical adventure. But there's no magical girls and they seem to be adults, not children. If that's a success I can imagine the creator of this getting very bitter and spiteful.
>>152734623I feel like Befri was only cancelled because it was too woke for Pixar
>>152734400>imagine if Imagine no longer using this faggot passive aggressive bullshit to open a reply
>>152734437>and CCSWhich they will only remember for Tomoyo
>>152733778Americans are incapable of the level of sincerity required to make a good magical girl show.
>>152734233Captain Marvel is the OG
>>152734623at least pixar is realizing animating someones therapy isnt going to profitable in the long run
>more of pixar's canned projects resurfacingDoes anyone here remember those pixar leaks from a couple years back? And an angry former employee making a thread here and an article being posted the next day about the shitshow Elio's production was? Something about pixar using ai or beginning to? I believe it seeing shit like befri.
>Concept art revelatedHoly shit, if this movie was gonna be all the complaints that current pixar are or current animation industry standars are made example (save for the magical girls design, these look gorgeous), then good riddance.
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>>152736772I am so sick of this style
>>152735382I was a Sailor Moon kid but CCS held my attention a lot stronger for a lot longer. I loved that Sakura's outfits would change with each episode and I loved the whole clow card thing, I even had the real card set. Kind of a shame it didn't seem to have much of an influence outside of getting to make a cameo as a background prop.>>152736772Jewels is pretty cute but holy crap nobody would've liked Birdie lol
>>152736772>save for the magical girls design, these look gorgeous>this shit >>152736786 that resembles those tumblr redesigns of anime characters>gorgeousYou're part of the problem.
>>152736772Annnnnnd there it is. Seriously why were they so adamant on sticking to this style for their recent string of SoL movies/shorts? It only ever really looked good in Luca thanks to its art direction and rough textures making the character look more clay like. Why even use it for 3d?
>>152736786>becoming a magical girl possibly turns you into some alien thingok that explains that one clip with jewels saying it was going to be permanent>>152736862ain't nothing wrong with them
>>152736786These memes mindbroke Pixar. They're too scared of making normale female designs that they go hard on making them complete abominations. See also:Anxiety in Inside Out 2 looking like a muppet after they were critizied for making the female emotions too humanoid compared to the wacky male counterparts.
>>152736943>mind broke PixarDid it or is it simply the newer art talent carrying this brainrot
>>152733778Too much "subversion of the genre" to the point it isn't fun
>>152736786Wow, what an original concept. Totally not inspired by one particular show in particular at all.
>>152736943>after they were critizied for making the female emotions too humanoid compared to the wacky male counterpartsno one ever made this complaint, but I can see Pixar deluding themselves into thinking it's a problem in the same way why Tiana is never portrayed as a frog anymore
>>152737656No it was definitely thing when tumblr was at its peak popularity it was a popular complaint in social media animation circles along with the same face syndrome post. There was an image that had outlines of the female and male characters faces to compare them.
>>152733215HAHAHAHA WHAT IS THIS HORSESHIT?
>>152733215>>152734623>Rosie O'Donnell sweatshirtmade me laugh, but it probably wasn't intended as a joke
>>152736772ewwwwwwwwww
>>152736772Every time I see concept art from the industry, it always looks like this. Cal arts pumps these dime a dozen round styles out and I'm tired of it. I miss when shit was more angular.>>152736786And exaggerated shapes like this don't automatically make for good design. Shit like this is what fucked over Incredibles 2 with their ugly new supers designs. No wonder indie is thriving
>>152734028So...basically what if Naru (and similar supporting characters) being sidelined was actually explored rather than be a case of writer apathy and focusing more on the lead heroes?Closest equivalent I can think of is from Go Go Power Rangers of all things and even then the guy who does fill that role gets his equivalent of Sailor Earth after a time-skip
>>152733772>>152733492I'm willing to bet that if this film would've been an analogy to friends drifting apart and making new friends, Jules/Jewels/whatever would've stuck to being a magical girl because Bertie/Birdie/whoever has to accept what's best for her friend over her own desires.
>>152736772Chris Chan on the left.
>>152735984Filming someone's therapy worked out before
>>152733492Here's the thing This film got concept art leaked last year and it already had a villain that wasn't the Eternity Squad/Confidence SquadBy all accounts it was based on a platonic friendship split up and if it were to be true to that (and wasn't just wish fulfillment), the magical girls CAN'T be explicit villains
>>152734126>Feels like only the French do it right with Lolirock and MiraculousItalians?They made W.I.T.C.H. and Winx
maybe they should just make a spinoff focusing on the magical girlsthey would've been the most popular characters if the movie got made anyway
I'd fuck the cat
>>152733778they don't follow the Sabrina method of making a western magical girl, girl frost magic second
>tumblrfat protagYAAAAAAAAWN
>>152736786>The magical girls misjudge the villain and each is graphically raped in their own wayI will now watch your movie
>>152736786>>152736772Jesus Christ, how horrifying.
>>152736772I feel like knowledge of internet porn and some of you sickos lewding 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 minutes 59 seconds old fictional characters has just made modern character designers afraid of their own craft. Like the girl on the right can be serviceable, but they gave her the grubhub mouth and ears, those ears... Listen, hark you, Grovenor. Do your duty, as you swore. With your ears, please tell us more! ...this design is just a wee bit too uncanny. The one on the left is puke, aside from having an ugly fat goblina body, it's just overall too busy of a design. Dana Terrace and her flat DTVA style managed to make Frankie at least somewhat pretty, this thing is a monstrosity. Then you get The Crystal Troons >>152736786 and its plainly obvious why this wasn't meant to be. Another multi-million dollar therapy session indeed.
Raise your hand if you had a platonic break up
>>152733454Looks like another *buzzword*
>>152736772>>152736786I hope Pixar goes under and stops making movies. It's either shit like this and Elio or dozens of bad sequels.
>>152736772>>152736786I like the crystal gem designs but the girls are a tad too try hard, looks like someones in their 30s idea of what nerdy girls dress like
>>152737587Honestly?How many kids films that actually has the moral of "Friendships don't last forever and people just drift apart" can you name?
>>152740678Isnt that old fox and dog disney cartoon basically this?
>>152740684I see what you mean but the magical girls here are pretty much an analogy of diverging interests that come with the territory of self-discovery as one gets older (of course we don't have a full script to work off of)I think the difference is that in the Fox and the Hound's case there was that layer of their friendship being explicitly forbidden and they confron the reality that threatened their bond after a period of separation leading to an outright time-skip
>>152733215>>152733772>>152734028>>152734623I genuinely see the potential but I think it ran into narrative problems since >The magical girls could easily be misconstrued to be an analogy for a cult and the reception the final film would have received had Jewels stuck to being a magical girl by the end>The very likely possibility Birdie would try to sabotage the ritual to keep her best friend with no disregard (presumably working with the main villain or being tricked by them) and we all know the crap Mabel got after the Gravity Falls finale
>>152733492How much you wanna bet this idea was made after the writer watched Madoka.
>>152733492Kpop works because it's got everything girls love. Cute girls with cute outfits, handsome men, sexual tension, silly humor, songs and cool fights.And for the boys, they can lust hard after the main girls.
>>152736772I just realized the title comes from half of the friendship medallion and also double serving as "Be Free"
>>152736786i like the beefy red and slim stylish magenta ones. the pink is okay but generic. the rest are kinda bad. nice colours, though. you can tell this was ripped from steven universe's playbook because none of the magical women have ears.
>>152735005>>152735984it's obviously an edit, a CEO has too much press training to say anything that retarded
>>152740990...oh my god, for real?
>>152734623I always wondered why Pixar was so adamant on Elio despite its production problems. That movie felt very generic in the final release. Seeing more of Be Fri’s premise, where it’s about lonely kids and one of them becomes an alien superhero that challenges an established friendship (but girl), makes a lot of sense now. Pixar really saw elio as the boy version of this movie and thought it would do better.
>>152741000supposedly elio was just a big pit they kept throwing money intohttps://old.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/1rnva6j/pixars_pete_docter_says_queer_elio_storyline_was/o9a2q2y/
>>152733299Someone still have it? I'd like to see it.
>>152733299I remember it came with the concept art for another movie named "Plant" and it had plants in it. also the folder was named something about pixar being bad and using AI
>>152733442Could you do it again? Old links are dead obviously and not sure if it was archived anywhere.
>>152734645>The economy is so resolutely fucked that sad childless women with bullshit corporate daycare jobs are the only viable demo left.And that's why they keep on flopping right?
>>152741000 #>Kristen Lester>Writer/Director of Purlah, of course>>152742270 #I wonder if this is actual AI imaging worth getting upset about or “AI” everybody in the industry has used for decades. Pixar’s showed off their effects simulation tools in the past which is entirely prediction based. Maybe the person was complaining about having to allow their art for whatever Disney’s trying to set up for their Disney+ AI tech. You can never talk about this topic anymore, it’s lost all rational meaning.
>>152734437it's funny cuz Precure hits all the checkboxes that these western magical girl ripoffs try to do so you'd think that crowd would love it
>>152740630It was bad and funny enough it was basically for a similar reason that the movie seems to be a metaphor for; I was maturing at a faster rate than she was and we couldn't handle it.
>>152742270>>152742381The accusation was that Pixar used AI to come up with story ideas and then the actual people try to expand on them
I talked to a friend regarding "friendship isn't always forever" stories and the thing we noticed was that it's one of the more difficult themes to actually portray in the moment The vast majority of examples are done to show the friendship had already withered off-screen (and also often done with a newly introduced character) because if said friendship is given too much time and energy to be lovable, a falling out would just risk being frustrating Most of the time in real life platonic break-ups are just people simply seeing each other less due to different wants and by the time it's over you dont even notice it (and if it's one person doing all the work to keep it alive it'd just make the other person come across as an apathetic jerk) It's long and frankly boring and trying to cram that in a 2 hour time-frame would be difficult to navigate through satisfyingly.If Birdie and Jules' bond IS lovable, the audience isn't gonna want said bond to be destroyed I get that they want the film to be mature but if this film came out there'd be one side who'd accuse Jules of being a shitty friend who abandoned the one kid who was her only friend and the other side accusing Birdie of being a co-dependent clinger who can't accept what's best for Jules finding her own self-worth (notice how the other clips have Birdie doing the decisions for her) I don't think the film would have ended on them hating each other but if it actually stuck to its guns, it would have at the very least make it clear that they aren't friends anymore
Wait a sec, is Birdie or Jules the director self-insert?
>>152736772Since this is concept art I think that Jules is pretty ok. Does a good job at capturing that awkward middle-school stage where you're too old to be dressing a certain way but are too anxious (or your parents won't let you lol) to be dressing more mature. This wouldn't have been Birdie's final look either, and it's clearly meant to quickly convey things about her characters (she's boisterous and immature) but holy shit I can't blame Jules for ditching her lmao.
>>152742716Believe it or not you can be Birdie and Jules at different points in your life.
Wait wait wait wait.....if Jules' magical girl self is noticeably more mature (as part of the metaphor) are the other magical girls younger than they look?
>>152742705>If Birdie and Jules' bond IS lovable, the audience isn't gonna want said bond to be destroyed oh no, this reminds me the last platonic breakup movie i know is ruby gilman and nobody liked how the breakup happened
>>152742952To be fair, that could have been avoided had Ruby's bond with her human friends was given more chemistry and care. If you're going to severe a friendship, you replace it with something equally good if not outright better.Unfortunately that movie was Ruby Gillman.I think BeFri would have ended with Birdie making new friends and happily accepting Jules is with a social group that could provide to her what she can't Maybe keep the best friends medallions but put it somewhere safe rather than wear it
>>152733215>dykeslopwhy the fuck did they spend 50 million on this to begin with. docter needed to get his head out of his ass earlier
>>152743065It's platonic Anon
>>152736786I don't hate it, but if the one with the bow is supposed to be Jules can can anyone blame her for choosing this?
>>152743077suuuuuuuuuuure. you know i'm watching the animatic right
>>152743115Platonic breakups are a thing. I mean I'm sure some women would've watched this and screamed about how Birdie is totally them as a baby gay but this is also one of those things heterosexuals go through too.
>>152743133bro if THAT is your reaction to a friendship ending you're gay
>>152743148Co-dependent relationships can be platonic Did Mabel want to fuck Dipper when she freaked out over him leaving?
>>152743148>not getting emotional over someone who has been by your side for years and who you thought you knew just abruptly ditching you and you're also 12/13 when this is happening
>>152743164>>152743175you know i forgot i was on /co/mblr for a minute
>>152743202You got some childhood angst you're trying to hide?
>>152743202Wouldn't it be tumblr to argue that the only interpretation is a gay one? I'm not saying gay people can't relate to Birdie I'm saying her experience isn't exclusive to gay people.
>>152743148>We were filming 'Don't Cry,' and he had to be there. Instead, he sent a really short, cold letter and didn't show up. We got this letter saying, "This changes, this changes, and maybe I'll tour in January." And they were ridiculous demands that weren't going to be met. I talked to Izzy for four and a half hours on the phone. At some points, I was crying, and I was begging. I was doing everything I could to keep him in the band. There were stipulations, though. If he was going to do like the old Izzy did, he wasn't going to make as much money. It was like "You're not giving an equal share." Slash and I were having to do too much work to keep the attention and the energy up in the crowd. You're onstage going, "This is really hard, and I'm into it and I'm doing it, but that guy just gets to stand there" [Axl Rose: The Rolling Stone Interview; Rolling Stone, April 1992]— A-4-D.com (https://www.a-4-d.com/t89-izzy-stradlin) © 2026>I talked to Izzy for four and a half hours on the phone. At some points, I was crying, and I was begging.it happens. get on their level
>>152737797>Incredibles 2 with their ugly new supers designsI thought I was the only one with that complaint, the new supers looked so exaggerated they didn't fit the artstyle.
>>152740990>>152740997
>>152733215Storyboard artists really are the worst.
>>152743250Coming from the guy who directed Up and Inside Out is pretty funny
>>152743209>man expresses a belief system you don't share>THIS IS UND PERFORMATIVE MASCULINITY CAUSED BY YOUR UNCONSCIOUS ID UND CHILDHOOD TRAUMAok bell hooks>>152743225i'm saying that reaction is not platonic. platonic rtelationships do exist and they can be intense, but they don't look like that>>152743232that's stress crying
>>152743260He did it with Slash too when Slash broke up with him>”I never said that I was bitter,” Rose told Rolling Stone at the time. ”Hurt, yeah. Disappointed. I mean, with Slash, I remember crying about all kinds of things in my life, but I had never felt hot, burning tears…hot, burning tears of anger. Basically, to me, it was because I am watching this guy and I don’t understand it. Playing with everyone from Space Ghost to Michael Jackson. I don’t get it. I wanted the world to love and respect him. I just watched him throw it away.”
little girls want to be hot bitches who sing and dance and save the universe, its why kpop demon hunters worked, its why sailor moon workedwestern cartoons subvert that genre by making the character designs as ugly as possible.also isnt this like the tenth million western magical girl parody cartoon, good thing it got canned
>>152734382>It's Madoka Magica that ruined themthis. it was that series that brought the SUFFERING to the front.it is true that Sailor moon had its own share of SUFFERING, made clear being a Guardian/Sailor Scout was NOT a good thing, and the end was just them delaying the inevitable end of the universe, but they still tried to make things hopeful and inspiring.
>>152743202>>152743260DID MABEL WANT TO FUCK HER BROTHER OR NOT
>>152733264>>152736786... the magical girls group is called The Confidence Squad?What happened to subtlety?
>>152743342i haven't watched gravity falls
>>152743345That was a working nameLeaks called them Eternity Squad
>>152734585you mean MOVIE, SINGULAR. Beginnings and Eternal were recaps. Rebellion was the only original one. and REVENGEANCE probably will be cancelled in august so im not counting it yet.as for 'ruining out of spite'... i HATE rebellions ending, but even i know that was not ruining anything. that was just urobuchi wanting to do something different, it was unexpected and divisive, but still was different.
>>152743345>>152743372Oh ok I noticed that too and thought it was way too self-aware lol
>>152733215Looks like doo doo
>>152743260I knew it Dave Mustaine was gay for everybody in metallicahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KecXxv-GuTY
>>152743316i don't think this was gonna be a parody
>>152736786What is it with western magical girls and 1980s fashion?
>>152743316>>152743595Given how often magical girls are stated to be analogous to becoming and maturing, a story about one kid outgrowing her best friend makes sense to use magical girls as a framing device.
>>152736772>>152736786
>>152736772>>152742754
>>152744026What is such a thought-provoking statement doing in a fucking Rabbids Mario game? It's like that one line from Spy Kids 2.
americans shouldn't write more magical girls genre, nothing they do seems genuine it's all parodies and a mockeries withiut even trying to be genuine or understanding the purpose of it
>>152742422Having a name that sounds like something fags take before bumming each other doesn't help
>>152742705>one side who'd accuse Jules of being a shitty friend who abandoned the one kid who was her only friend and the other side accusing Birdie of being a co-dependent clingerI'm the side that wants to see both be true and them end up bitter
>>152744227Now we should make it but call it DON'T DEAD and make it rude as possible
>>152733778Western magical girls are all fat and black and woke.
>>152744388When I first heard the name 'Precure' I definitely didn't picture a magical girl show.
>>152744388>>152744683It's actually named Pretty Cure.
>>152744780Yeah I know that now I'm talking about when I first heard/saw the shortened name
>>152733215I’m usually pretty forgiving when it comes to modern Pixar and their concepts because the results are typically good: but this is just about the gayest, most millennial coded, antiquated slop concept I ever heard and I’m glad they didn’t go through with it
>>152734623Petey D. Is sounding more and more fed up with having to be an executive with every interview. I feel like he didn’t even want the job it was just passed unto him
>>152744911That's literally what he saidIt's been repeatedly stated by past Pixar people that he's a genuinely nice guy who wants to support creatives but he's not leadership materialI think his concern is keeling Pixar alive and learning to compromise because director-oriented passion projects like Turning Red didn't sell and I wouldn't be surprised if he's only holding onto the position because he's afraid the person after him would be worse
>>152744780>It's actually named Melty Pretty Guilty Solid Milk Gear BasketsWhat kind of fucking brain damage goes into coming up with these kinds of retarded titles, don't try to tell me it makes sense in Japanese because it doesn't
>>152744026>>152744299I think it kind of depends on how self-aware you areThe Rabbids are ugly as fuck but the games they are in know it and play around with itBasil Wolverton, Robert Crumb, David Feiss, etc make "ugly" art but they don't pretend it's anything more than it really is and on a technical level they are good artists
>>152744956All he needs to do is scream "NO MORE FAGGOT SHIT, IS THAT TOO COMPLICATED" loudly enough that everyone else on the floor hears it
>>152744227>>152736772Jules honestly looks cute
>>152745026"Pete, it's a story about two kid best friends, one of whom is a faggot and the other a tranny, struggling with what would happen if they fucked also they're both brown but you never quite figure out what kind, then they're kidnapped by sex offenders but the kids cope by pretending they're space aliens who abducted them for evil purposes and the autistic kid in the back of the van they nabbed first is a helpful robot who needs to learn about being a human""I can't greenlight this""Why not, it ticks all the boxes""Because Satoshi Kon made it 20 years ago"
>>152745152>also they're both brownAre you color blind?Jules is white
>>152744974Different naming conventions culturally. The west used to have the same issue.Look up the original title for Robinson Crusoe.
>>152744974English titles sound cool and the coolest English words everyone knows are music lyrics and adjectives from commercial advertising
>>152743259The difference is that Up and Inside Out are based on his literal life moments and the themes they tackle are pretty universalGranted, Befri's plot while semi-autobiographical in nature is still pretty broad at least more than Elemental, Turning Red, and fuck, even Coco
They look like DoubleFine characters here
>>152746215>>152736786I like how colorful they are.
>>152742754>but holy shit I can't blame Jules for ditching her lmao.Going by the dialogue in the animatic, I'm leaning on that being deliberateBirdie is immature and she did try to change her appearance and conform for the sake of keeping Jules but it didn't work
>>152736786Well these seem fun. It's a shame Pixar heads are from an older generation that scorned anime.
>>152746393>It's a shame Pixar heads are from an older generation that scorned anime.Turning Red bombed
The main villain would have been a Kirby final boss
>>152746458>Biblically accurate
>>152746458literally
Names in the art contrast with the names in the animaticI guess these are their codenames or activation word or something
>>152733778>What makes Western magical girl failIt doesn't if you play it straight, make the girls attractive and give them hot boyfriends. Then it can be enormously commercially successful because that's what girls actually want from their media. See also: K-Pop Demon Hunters.
Kind of reminds me of Chel not gonna lie
>>152746616Forgot pic
>>152746215@grok, these characters manacled to a stone wall, heavily pregnant and their costumes torn, in the style of Dolcett
>>152746215I like these but you can really feel the SU influence lol
>>152746285>and she did try to change her appearance and conform for the sake of keeping Jules but it didn't workAw man that totally flew over my head, now I feel bad for her.
>>152745028this tbqh famm
>>152747045anon she's a kid what are you doing
>>152747045Not like that Anon
>>152746986I don't blame youThe sporadic moments of no audio/dialogue kind of makes it hard to tell and it being animatic makes it kind of hard to tell she's not Birdie's not dressed up like she normally isWe can piece together some things via context clues but >Birdie questions "Why are you this?" when she spots Jules transformed which Jules repeats upon looking at what Birdie's wearing>She mentions something about passing a class which (in my eyes, I can be wrong) Birdie might have been held back a year and Jules wasn't>When Birdie asks why Jules would join the Eternity/Confidence Squad, Jules proceeds to explain at length that she finally has something that she's good at>Not sure what she says lamentedly when Birdie tells her "You're good at being my friend", maybe something like "It wasn't enough" or "I wasn't good to myself">Cue Birdie talking about all their future plans before the events of the film
>>152742705not /co/ but have you ever seen the movie 5 Centimeters per Second?that seems to do it well from what I've heard even though it's a romantic relationship
>>152734552There's plenty of power fantasies. But only for women with Cluster B personality disorders.
>>152744956Pete Doctor was a heroI just couldn’t see it
>>152747916>Trusting Groklol, companies are just aggro even for unreleased stuffNintendo took down Project Harmony leaks
>>152747776Platonic bonds are actually harder to sell as falling apart than romantic bonds falling apartIt's hard to explain but in the case of Befri, the analogy of the falling out is centered around a coming of age angle which can work, Big City Greens did an episode on but it took the route of having it be done with a new character introduced entirelyClosest thing I can think of is from Baby-Sitters Club of all things where a character's friend from her original city reunites early on, comes back a few books later, and then when they show up again their friendship with one of the main characters is severed for good after she became a colossal bitch off-screen
>>152747916It's still on YouTube so.....no
This looks like it would've appealed to a fetish of mine, but I guess I'm not allowed have nice things....
>>152734552Anon you look at the fucking Isekai genre that's metastasizing anime in general and tell me that isn't true.
>>152748323First, I said specifically "western entertainment", Isekai is Japanese.Second, I said "half of the reason". The other half is corporate consolidation leading to IP farming and executives trying to optimize the profitability of entertainment to the extreme. When those two halves get together you get abominations like The Last Jedi happening.
>>152747053Having the best time ever
>>152748505>Isekai is Japanese
>>152733473Retard.
All magical girl media is terrible, western or eastern, old or new. No. Exceptions. Sailor Moon? Trash. Madoka? Trash. Utena? RANCID FUCKING DOGSHIT. There's no hidden depth nor artistry that feeble-minded gaijin are too stupid to comprehend. It's just insipid, mass-produced gruel for 10-year-old girls. There was a time when even weebs understood this simple fact.
>>152748545Sigh. I saw this discussion in other places."Isekai" may translate as "another world" but words often don't mean their origin.Every weeb I've seen talking about the subject says that for something to be Isekai it has to fulfill these criteria:>The alternate world has to feature video game mechanics (mainly JRPG) explicitly>There must be a harem for the protagonistI've seen some even say the protagonist has to be a black haired boy but that might be a stretch.
>>152748669>ranma fan shitting on sailor moonthe ironing is delicious>>152748682what you're talking about is specifically called narou-kei
>>152736772All it's missing is the blue "please be patient i have autism" hat>>152736786To be the devil's advocate, it's not the worst thing ever, but it's not very memorable either
>>152748682>There must be a harem for the protagonistReallyWhere was Maou-sama's in Devil is a Part-Timer >must feature JRPG mechanicsOh no he's in the mundane world where he can't
>>152736772>revelatedDidn't your ESL class explain verbs like 'revealed'
>>152748669ignoring your text, I feel an odd kinship when I read these usenet posts
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/145464577/#q145473167https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/145464577/#145477665https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/145464577/#145477671https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/145464577/#145477677https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/145464577/#145477681
>>152736772Is that fuckin’ Kyle Carrozza?
>>152734492powerpuff girls?>>152734656or is it too superhero as well?
>>152749123>there were straight up PSD files for Eliookay wait I am actually interested in this resurfacing nowcan someone post the elio leaks?
>>152749676This stuff?
>>152743233Was Voyd confirmed to be a tr00n or not btw?
>>152749823Rule of thumbGoing by current VA politics, if the character's VA isn't trans the character isn't trans
>>152744388Didn’t they call it "Glitter Force" over here?
>>152748682>Every weeb I've seen talking about the subject says that for something to be Isekai it has to fulfill these criteria:>>The alternate world has to feature video game mechanics (mainly JRPG) explicitly>>There must be a harem for the protagonistYou've been talking to fucking retards. A lot of the biggest isekai are only one for two by those criteria, some hit neither. And both of them are just common tropes, not defining characteristics. It's like saying:>Every grog I've seen talking about the subject says that for something to be capeshit it has to fulfill these criteria:>>The setting must be a big cosmopolitan city>>The main character must have a secret identity
>>152748669Back then, I didn’t even know what the internet was.
>>152749053Because in any time and any place, the soul of grogs remains the same. All that's changed is that it's harder to find a place where grogs can be grogs without normalfags or trolls eventually turning it into a dump.Moderation is dead. Traffic is God. Reasonable discourse is forbidden.
>>152748682Literally all Isekai needs is for some character to go to a different world.>>152748545I'd argue that's closer to a time travel story.Though you could argue that time travel stories can be a type of Isekai.
>>152750191the fuck is a grog?all definitions mainly mention an alcoholic drink
>>152750290Term that, if I remember correctly, was first used in relation to 1st edition DnD players, specifically to point them out as being the "old guard" among the nerds.
>>152750290Grognard
>>152750290>>152750318Oh yeah, and I was originally Grognard.Sort of a silly barbarian name.
>>152747180>>152746285great detail spotting
>>152750318eholdfags can be quite narrow-minded, as much as newfags are
>>152733778westerners watch Madoka and think all magical girl anime should be like that.
>>152750805>oldfags can be quite narrow-mindedI'm 58. When Hal got replaced with John or Barry with Wally, I said "good, pass the torch." Dick and Damian becoming the new Batman and Robin was great. Going from 3.5 to 4? Over my dead fucking body.
>>152736772can can western animation get a new style already? I'm tired of this gravity falls bean mouth shit
>>152746986You can also see her put on her old stuff from the trash in the last animatic
>>152750853I'm 24.Never cared about Star Wars as a kid. I decided to watch it as an adult a few years ago and I became that kind of fan that hates most of it.OT fags do have many correct points about why the PT was a disappointment but they fail to see how those things were already happening on the OT, specially with RotJ, and they don't see the allure that the prequel galaxy has despite it's issues.PT fags had the opportunity to watch it as it's own thing and appreciate it's qualities, and I think they got the better spinoffs, but fail to understand those movies don't exist in isolation and many basic expectations were ignored by those.ST fags are frankly delusional about the complete trainwreck that trilogy was, but honestly Disney made quite a lot of decent spinoffs, though it's mostly because they threw a lot at the wall and only some of it stuck.And to be fair, I became a grog for certain newer things from my youth like Adventure Time and Deltarune.
>>152750853>58Fuck are you doing here, old man? Don't you have a family or something?
I think the ending would've had Birdie perform solo but Jules watches without her knowingMaybe she performs with that other kid in the end who becomes her new best friend?
>>152747913He's a pushover is what he is.
>>152733215meh
>>152747916Frankly speaking, I fail to see how truncating the story to around 8 minutes would have made the story any better
>>152742952That wasn't a break-up, Chelsea really was evil this whole time and her friendship with Ruby was bsHell, Chelsea wasn't even an actual person at all
>>152734623Had this made it through development, they 100% would've had to change the title. "Be Fri" seems clever, until you realize just how stupid it sounds.
>>152749787Not that anon but I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it was, there was also stuff for hoppers and a few other planned/cancelled movies.
>>152749823No lmfao, she was partly based on an intern and Kristen Stewart.>>152743233It's a common complaint on /co/ in almost every Incredibles thread that I've seen. The only ones who really fit the style were Winston Deavor and his cut brother, the latter got repurposed into he-lectrix while she-lectrix became Eveyln. The super designs overall were pretty ugly, even the background supers and it shows in the art book. Not sure what the goal with that was but it feels pretty all over the place.
Aw
>>152755827I don't remember second to the left...
>>152756964She's in some early storyboards of the house invasion instead of he-lectrix, this particular image isn't from the art book. I think it was posted by some artist who worked on it.
>>152755827There is such a sharp contrast between them and the ones from the first film, it feels like it should have been plot relevant.
>>152734623>Meowl lol thats clever
>>152751011I saw ANH in theaters opening weekend when I was 8 years old and thought it was wowee cool. ESB didn't do as much for me and I had to be dragged to RotJ because I realized: 1. The universe makes no sense2. Luke had been demoted from main to supporting character in his own fucking story
>>152751098My daughter turns 25 this week, I have a mortgage, job, etc. I've been here since the board openedYou didn't read the sign
>>152756964It's where Evelyn was supposed to be until they swapped her
>>152746458hi Doom Eye
>>152757551Can't remember if it was something someone noticed or if was someone like Brad Bird who said it but it seems like they initially wanted to go for a more gritty 90s costume look with unnecessary accessories for the new crop of supers. Like belts, gloves, combat boots, you can kinda see this with early Eveyln when she was a super. I think they originally wanted them contrast but I also could be wrong.
>>152744974It's just using words that look aesthetically pleasing to the demographic. The same shit happens in English, but it's too normalized for you so you don't notice that it's really weird every sugar-free cola targeted at men is named for words used for early 2000's "extreme" sports and every sugar-free cola targeted at women is named for 80's health magazine buzzwords.
>>152759519Yes but the words actually mean something when we do it, the piss-colored midgets just randomly pick words based on sound
>>152760148You really thing Pretty girls Curing problems makes less sense as nomenclature than "MAX TASTE NO SUGAR", or as demonstrated in Back to the Future "Free (no it still costs money)"?
>>152733215I have a gut feeling this would been another dyke shit garbage that is ruining all of media.
>>152758023you're my father's age and I'm your daughter's age
>>152760173>MAX TASTE NO SUGARMaximum flavor, no sugarNow explain Melty Blood (as opposed to what), Guilty Gear, Neon Genesis Evangelion, the fucking semicolon in Stein's;Gate, Fruits Basket (fruit is already a plural form), and pretty much everything with Milky in the title
>>152760205We saw just how good platonic breakup worked in Ralph Wrecks the Internet where Vanellope proceeds to exactly go Turbo but it's okay because she's doing it while Ralph acts like a baby and a dumbass
>>152760762Melty Blood is a fan-game based on a story about vampires. Sol Badguy is the Gear who is considered guilty. NGE is the dub name anyway with Evangelion used in a similar context to the original language it comes from. Only the last two are notable misuses.
>>152734382>It's Madoka Magica that ruined them. 15 years ago it propagated the idea that Magical Girls are a valid format to deconstructAnon... Madoka just ripped off Sailor Moon's manga. It didn't originate anything.
>>152749659>powerpuff girls?I don't know, they were born with the powers and don't need to transform; they're more science fiction than fantasy.
>>152756958?
>>152733548None of them actually watched Sailor Moon they just heard people talking about it being the girly anime online and are larping. Literal posers
>>152733772> You don't understand! There's not just an external, goal-driven plot. There's an internal emotional journey, too!Everyone in Hollywood needs to be slapped
>>152734437I was asking, "why not Minky Momo"
>>152762919>>152761064Madoka came out more recently and spawned countless memes. It is a real subset of people who saw Sailor Moon and a couple others on TV at one age, but remember more about Madoka whether or not they saw it, and don’t know Precure exists. To them this is the magical girl genre and Madoka was an innovation because that’s all that made it through Western mainstream osmosis. I’m not sure why you wouldn’t delve more into a genre but I don’t think it has to be that deep if the work is good. Geek cred is pretty cheap.
>>152733778Mahou Shoujo are genuine stories played straight whereas "Western magical girl" stuff is usually a shallow parody of a surface level pastiche of the genre they've absorbed through pop culture osmosis.There's a TV Tropes article that sums it up pretty well: > Simply put, this is what happens when a Parody (generally a mean-spirited one) is created by people who have an ill-informed and/or superficial impression of their target, resulting in a parody that only satirizes a work's most obvious surface-level aspects, if even that—while failing to satirize any of its substance or themes. Thus you may see something that resembles a signature scene of another work with a nonsequiter gag shoved in to get a laugh. Sometimes, it can come across as if the satirist just watched the trailer or commercials (or relied entirely on the work's general reputation and/or common misconceptions about it) and then wrote the parody from that. Close enough, they decide.> The result is generally a parody that only bears a superficial resemblance to the work that is supposedly being parodied. Just grab an Iconic Outfit, a catchphrase (whether or not it's authentic), and an Iconic Item if you're lucky, and you're good to go. Expect the parody to coast on Parody Names, Stock Parodies, and Vulgar Humor. All too often, such a spoof will come across as smug and sneeringly superior in tone, as if simply being aware of the source material and not liking it properly equips one to satirize it.Stuff like W.I.T.C.H., Winx Club, and even Rainbow Bright and Sabrina the Teenager Witch are closer depictions of what it means to be a "Western" Magical Girl. One thing they never realize is that the genre evolved from making "cute Witch girl" stories akin to Kiki's Delivery Service or regular girls who just have a magical item fall in their lap that leads to hijinks before we got something like Sailor Moon which was just: "what if the power rangers were cute Witch girls."
>>152762586It was just a bump
>>152750335>GrognardFrench for "grumbler", first used for crotchety older guys in Napoleon's army, then older Napoleonic wargamers. You started in the 1960s and had to write your own rules, now these new 70's kids have their Avalon Hill box sets
>>152733215WTF I already clocked that this entire movie is a ripoff of DreamWorks’ Forgotten Island, but I can’t believe that this scene is literally an EXACT COPY of a scene from Forgotten Island where one of the main characters is running around a party looking for the other main character. Even the SCREEN DIRECTION is fucking identical, this is insaneLMFAOEveryone please remember this when Forgotten Island comes out I swear to god I am not making this up
>>152763744Even down to the plot line that the taller geeky friend wants to do something else with their future that would mean leaving the shorter quirkier artist friend behind, and having an object to remember their friendship byThis is so hilariously blatant wtf was Pixar even doing lmaooooo
>>152763744>What if your lifelong best friend just forgot all about you? Forgot all the love, the joy, the pain, all of the memories and experiences you once shared. When Jo and Raissa find themselves stranded on the fantastic world of the forgotten island of Nakali, they find their only way home might come at the expense of a lifetime of memories and emotions.That doesn't sound a platonic break up
>>152763842>This is so hilariously blatant wtf was Pixar even doing lmaoooooAnon, it's probably just a Juniper Lee/Jake Long situationBesides, that animatic wouldn't have been in the final product given how much films change during production Just look at the vault of RGTK storyboards that don't represent the final film
>>152734110Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Cat Noir is a Magical Girl show.
>>152734437Y'know, I would kill for them to be making Card Captor Sakura riffs. It's the perfect blend of Yu-Gi-Oh meets Pokemon I was always looking for as a kid
>>152764088It literally is though. I know the entire plot. You can argue with me all you want about it but I’m right
>>152734649> Is calarts some kind of factory where artists get reformed into making the most bland beanmouth characters ever?Yes, that's it's intended purpose. At some point a subversive decided they could socially program the population via media and so they funnel everyone into these institutes so they can be taught how to make RightThink>>152736729No but It's love a link to see the seethe>>152738065Of course they're not the villains, they're women. They can't be wrong. What it would've been would be the girls being the fake out villains being stuck up cool girls that steal Fatty's friend and don't care about her feelings, but they're too distracted being girlbosses that they don't realize some Eldritch evil is released stealing people's essences or whatever. Then after they two main girls have had their fight and aren't talking or the friend agrees to leave with the magical girls or the magical girls steal her powers and tell her she'll never be a REAL magical girl because she cares about having a dumb fat friend the Eldritch comes Godzilla'ing through Townsville and fatty and dorky have to save the day with the magical girls help and they all learn a lesson about being friends by defeating him then at the end they ALL hangout and act like girlbosses together even though one of them is fat. That would've been the whole movie
>>152764360Are there magical girls in it?
>>152740678He means the designs are obviously SU ripoffs but 90% of kids movies with kids drifting apart from their friends, it's just usually they make up by the end. Recess: School's Out is a good example.
>>152763744>a partyIt's backstage at a talent show
>>152742374Yes, because those women watch reality TV so they're barking up the wrong tree. Most women I've met just straight up refise to watch anime like you're asking them to stick a centipede in their snatch or something so an ugly Pixar movie parodying anime is going to flop 1000% You'd do better making a Too Hot To Handle movie
>>152742422They don't actually watch anime
>>152764540>or the friend agrees to leave with the magical girlsAnon, she HAS to join the Eternity Squad for the analogy to make sense
>>152764541Sort of>>152764600And that makes a difference how? It’s the exact same scene, even the part where she dodges a ladder is literally identical to a shot in FI where the character is dodging kids playing with that Filipino stick game I don’t know the name of
>>152743202When did this happen? It's sickening
>>152743232Pooftas in the entertainment industry don't count as regular people
>>152743250> Hundreds of literal who's on Twitter seething in ALL CAPS that the "cut content" of Elio would have "saved the movie"> It was just a different skin for his bike and a cutaway where he has a kid with a random guy in the undesignated futureThey ALWAYS lie
>>152764735Anon, be real with meHow the fuck do you plagiarize a movie scene that didn't even come out yet?As much as /co/ riffed on RGTK, most of us had enough common sense to know it wasn't literally made to copy Turning RedDo you seriously think this storyboard made years back had some guy at Pixar spy at Dreamworks as they were making their own movie that was in production for years back to make a storyboard that would have most definitely been a lot different in the end?
>>152743298Axl was raped by a man when he moved to Los Angeles btw. He's very open about it.
>>152743662Who stated this and was it a jewish "intellectual"?
>>152733778Mahou Shoujo is about girls coming of age.Western Magical girls is about resenting having to grow up.
>>152747053You have to go back.
>>152750805I don't believe you
>>152764874So was his anus
>>152765007Doesn't W.I.T.C.H. have coming of age themes at least in the comic?It's explicitly clear they're older when they transform and the show even has a joke about it when Cornelia is happy to see her boobs bigger
>>152763093I'm sure the commentors on the internet are like that but I do not believe the Hollywood people are like this
>>152765129*happy to see her boobs exist
>>152760762Milky is associated with innocence and sweetness due to children drinking it and its sweet taste.
>>152733772Well K-pop also has the thing with the main character being half demon and needing to hide it. The difference is that K-pop looked cool and was entertaining, and this other one looks lame. I couldn't watch the entire 4 minute clip.
>>152738074The comic is Italian, the cartoon is french. The cartoon massively ignores the comic, so if anon is talking about the cartoon then saying "the Italians did it" is really wrong.
>>152764586Uhh Inside Out and Toy Story off the top of my head. Not strictly unpopular movies.
>>152764845You could pick any random person who works at any American feature animation studio and I guarantee you they’re friends with someone who works at at least one other studio. Everyone tells their friends what they’re working on and can even show them if they really want to, do you think that the execs don’t know exactly what every studio is doing? You don’t even realize the childish grudge the execs all have against the other studios. I don’t know what to tell you dude it’s exactly the same. I wish the movie was out now so I could do an overlay and show you exactly how ridiculously alike they are
>>152764874>reading thread about cartoons and crying and friendships>BTW AXL GOT RAPEDare you talking about this story where he got away or a different one?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-XYnXiyO6k
>>152746458eh kinda... not nearly as cool though.
>>152765484Alright, I'm convinced you know something but I'll keep an eye out if there any more parallels plot-wise going by what we can piece together with the plot herei.e. Jules' transformation, the Eternity Squad even being a thing, her gem causing problems at first, etc I don't really see an island parallel with Befri or the whole memory loss part based on what is publicly knownThem simply sharing similar themes about growing apart isn't enough to convince me either project couldn't have co-existed or if it's a situation like Rio vs Newt
>>152765759Not every Kirby boss is as cool as Zero 2Dark Nebula is the bare minimum of what'd you expect but with zero flair
>>152765944Yeah he's kind of a pathetic jobber, Dark mind and void termina understood the assignment much better.also lord of chaos elifis is the best fight bar none.
>>152765484Decided to dry some digging myselfIf it's anything like what this guy is saying and if you're not spouting bs, I can see where you're coming from on thishttps://x.com/search?q=Island%20from%3Athevscooper&src=typed_query&f=live
>>152766349*try some digging
>>152733492>make kpop demon hunting look like the coolest shit ever[citation needed]
>>152734437Everyone who doesn't understand just needs to consult this handy chart
>>152766527https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGsevnbItdU
>>152751011I'm roughly 12 years older than you, been watching this movies and reading these books and playing these games since I was a kid, and came to pretty much the same conclusion. There's a lot about the OT I find kind of whatever nowadays, and as an adult watching the opening of RotJ is kind of galling in how it's only the third movie and we're already knee deep in ANH recycling. A lot of the shots even look the same, especially around the Death Star 2: Force Lightning Boogaloo introductions.The PT is STILL gobsmackingly bad, just some of the best actors of that era giving some of the worst performances of their lives with some of the most ridiculous lines anyone's ever been made to say in a major motion picture. Naturally, I was ten when I saw these turkeys and enjoyed them without any real thought. Because what I mostly remember is all the cool spinoff stuff at the time. It was a golden era for disposable SW spinoffs and I was exactly the right age to enjoy it.The ST is more technically competent in comparison, but also way more boring and, for a variety of reasons, probably worst as a trilogy. The PT are worse movies, but Star Wars thrived again during their stewardship, whereas the ST set the franchise on fire. The spinoffs are hampered by needing to be bigger, major deals, and almost none of the ones on the scale of the PT exist or get to be their own things. Though, I'm not 10 anymore so perhaps I'm just not encountering them. As you say, there are some good ones from here regardless, but between the lack of more far flung EU material and the way modern games are made, it feels like a night and day comparison between the PT and ST eras.
