How often was Didio bullying people at DC?
He finger my butthole
>>152780419Wasn't he the one who pushed for the rape scene in Identity Crisis?
>>152780478He also pushed for All-Star Superman.
>>152780419Quite a bit:https://www.tcj.com/2020-report-day-day-three-interviews/3/>Didio would get so angry he would throw things and shout and slam doors – the door frame to his co-publisher office had a crack around it because he’d slammed it so many times. I once saw him throw lettering copy at an associate editor in a rage. He threw his office phone to the ground once and then was so angry about it being broken that you could hear him bellowing for his assistant down the hall to get him a new phone. >Anyway, Didio found out we were putting “kiddy shit” in mainstream Batman comics, and he lost his mind. Someone, I don’t remember who, popped into my office and told me that Dan was furious upon seeing the lettering and that he was going to come down to scream at me. Marts told me to leave for the day (it was already like 5 anyway) and that he would handle it, so I scampered. Marts got the brunt of the ranting and screaming that was meant for me. I felt guilty but also relieved, you know? I don’t hold up well under screaming. >And of course, a few years later, they published longer form Lil Gotham stuff to great critical praise which made me laugh.
>>152780419https://web.archive.org/web/20111015081739/http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40896>The biggest challenge was actually, wisely, kept from us by Steve [Wacker, original editor on 52]. EIC Dan Didio, who first championed the concept, hated what we were doing. H-A-T-E-D 52. Would storm up and down the halls telling everyone how much he hated it. And Steve, God bless him, kept us out of the loop on that particular drama.
>>152781857>>Anyway, Didio found out we were putting “kiddy shit” in mainstream Batman comics, and he lost his mind. Someone, I don’t remember who, popped into my office and told me that Dan was furious upon seeing the lettering and that he was going to come down to scream at meIs it the characters screaming the titles?
>>152781923No I think it was shit like Alfred reading Artemis Fowl while waiting for Batman.
>>152780436same but I liked it
>>152782005It is really ironic considering the contents of AF
>>152781857The fuck was he so mad about
>>152782665this apparently.
>>152782857Remember some trick-or-treater dressed as Stephanie ver. Batgirl had to be recolored because DiDio was like "no Stephanie ever" and considered both her and Cass toxic due to their fans?
>>152782857No that doesn't make sense. Sarah Gaydos and Bobbie Chase were the editors on Lil' Gotham so why would Didio be bitching out Asselin or Marts?
>>152782886Similarly in that Smallville comic written by BQM Steph was supposed to be Nightwing, but Didio threw an absolute fit because "Stephanie has no connection to being Nightwing" and so forced them to change the character... to Babs.
>>152780419Dan dildo is a criminal for what he did to DC with new 52. I'm glad this loser is never going to work in comics ever again
>>152782886??? Didio was Executive Editor over Batgirl when Steph was in the cowl.>>152783064Smallville was edited by Kwanza Johnson and Sarah Litt. Didio isn't even given an Executive Editor title on the book. Anons I think you have let some boogie man live rent free in your heads. Didio has nothing to do with any of these claims youre making.
>>152783044Read the interview. She was talking about when Lil Gotham first showed up in the Annuals
>>152783094Hey didioJust a reminder that you will always be remembered as the know nothing idiot who nearly killed DC
>>152783094imagine white knighting for dan fucking didio lol
>>152783094>??? Didio was Executive Editor over Batgirl when Steph was in the cowl.And he decided the character and her fanbase was toxic after they started the New 52.
>>152783147He never really wanted Steph as Batgirl, he always wanted Babs, but Steph was just a stopgap until the New 52 because people like Gail Simone initially threatened to revolt if he made Babs Batgirl again.
>>152783117That makes even less sense. Neither Asselin or Didio were on that one either.So why is Didio bitching out Marts when he wanted to be bitching about Asselin about a book Didio didn't have any say on and Asselin never touched?
>>152783044Anon, read the fucking article, don't just google the comic image I posted for visual aid. If you're gonna do that, at least take the step further and look up that L'il gotham first appeared as a backup to an annual, where you'll see Asselin and Marts were working as editors onhttps://dc.fandom.com/wiki/Batman_Annual_Vol_1_27I admit I could've used a more general L'il Gotham image, but being an image board, people are more likely to read if I post an image.
>>152783199Nigerian I did and the story make zero fucking sense when you cross check who was working on what. >>152783196
>>152783160This made me wonder about the Atom's behind the scenes shenanigans.Shelving Palmer, only to kill off his successor.
>>152783160Sure and he also wanted to kill Dick Grayson. But the thing about Didio was that despite a lot of things he wanted to do he still let writers tell different stories and not follow his vision. Unlike a certain divorced jew at Marvel.PS Marts could have learned a thing or two about how to edit a bookline from Didio because he went on to kill the X-Men line.
>>152783196>Neither...Didio were on that one either.By all accounts, Didio was looking at everything going on in DC even if not getting an editing credit. I've heard as much said that he's a micromanager by anyone who had a grievance with him, from Rucka to Dixon to Asselin and a few others.
>>152783199You can just storytime it, when you just post every page one by one, takes a few hours and it activates all almonds in the planet
>>152783125Reminder the nu52 was so successful it lead to a new wave of comic readers and killed the Ultimate universe in its crib.
>>152783346Zoomers hate it and Og!Ultimate was in a zombie mode beforehand.
>>152783243>PS Marts could have learned a thing or two about how to edit a bookline from Didio because he went on to kill the X-Men line.Marts only stayed a year at Marvel before he quit again due to Perlmutter's policy of wanting to screw the X-books for the movie rights. So he wasn't there long enough to even have an effect.
>>152783346And it imploded in 5 years and lead to Didio having Johns bring back the post-crisis continuity in name only after Convergence/Divergence killed their sales.
>>152782886Well I mean can you blame him. Those fans were completely unreasonable when they wanted them to .... exist. At all.
>>152783356Bendis on USM, Hickman and Ultimates, and Spencer on X-Men is a dream team lineup that Didio killed in two months just by having Jim Lee put a collar on Superman’s suit.
>>152783448Bendis was running out of stories to plagiarize, and the other two books had to deal with the ultimatum fallout.
>>152783444Anyone that remembers tumblr circa the 2010s knows that whatever hated Didio had for those people was not nearly as much as they deserve.Simone is morally wrong to defend those subhuman illiterate faggots who didn’t even read the books they pretended to love.
>>152783094>??? Didio was Executive Editor over Batgirl when Steph was in the cowl.TBF Didio's lasting legacy at DC is the schizophrenic way he ran things. He'd decide a direction one moment than an hour later do a 180 and want to do something totally different
>>152783346Keep telling yourself that Dan.
>>152783469New readers exist, fans of the design exist, you don't even need to know how to read to like a character to the point of being a fan>>152783780Being editor hard
>>152783843Being a good editor is hard.
>>152783243>But the thing about Didio was that despite a lot of things he wanted to do he still let writers tell different stories and not follow his visionThis is the opposite of what several creators who worked under Didio have said
>>152785009Didio was an extremely inconsistent guy. Sometimes he'd let people working on projects he liked do whatever. And then on the other hand you have stuff like McKeever's Teen Titans where it was basically ghostwritten by Didio and editorial.
>>152785069It’s weird how Didio micromanaged the Titans line during his tenure…like he really genuinely seemed to want to make the line succeed he was just too retarded
>>152785009No, the anon is right. DiDio often let his pet writers (like Morrison) do whatever. And other times he seemingly changed his mind for no reason. Sure, he wanted Dick Grayson gone, but he let Morrison turn him into Batman. By all accounts he was very against marriage (especially for Superman), but he let Jurgens and Tomasi being back the marriage. He brought back Wally, Donna Troy, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown even if in reduced roles.He could have committed to his ideals like how Marvel editors are deadset on never undoing OMD, but he could never truly commit.>>152785088>It’s weird how Didio micromanaged the Titans line during his tenure…DiDio saw Geoff Johns' Teen Titans as one of the big hits of his tenure and I think he constantly wanted to replicate that.I will cut him some slack though and say New 52 TT being such a shitshow was likely moreso on Harras (given Lobdell was writing) than DiDio.
>>152785069Even his golden boy Johns had to abandon so many plans due to those above him in TT.>No Blackfire battle>No Duela joining the team, or Terra II/Beast Boy/Raven love triangle>Gizmo Jr. was meant to debut in that series too>Apparently the zombie Titans arc was truncated>So many OYL plot hints set up that went nowhere along with Johns' mini-me Justice League knockoffs, except Miss Martian and Bombshell
>>152783840Don’t need to. Hickman himself admits it.
>>152785202Okay but like all of these are because John’s literally cannot keep a schedule or meet a deadline. Dude wasn’t getting to any of this and any editor would have told him “nah fuck that”.
>>1527834692010 Tumblr was dominated by rainbow lanterns
>>152785235Yeah I guess though the Terra thing was 'cause DiDio wanted her dead and figured Atlee (originally intended to be a non-Terra) would be a good fit, less baggage. She worked, for a while.
>>152783088>I'm glad this loser is never going to work in comics ever againHe's writing for Mad Cave
>>152781886he was right to
>>152783094>??? Didio was Executive Editor over Batgirl when Steph was in the cowl.That was because he had a meltdown at the SDCC launch panel for New 52 and screamed - SCREAMED - at a Steph!Batgirl cosplayer, a literal superfan who'd come a long way and gone to a lot of trouble to look the part, who dared to ask if there would be any Steph in the Nu5.2, to which DiDio's answer may be summarized as a "firm no".I mean there's having a meltdown and there's having a meltdown at the relaunch of every book in the line during a panel at which not only fans but the press are attending as part of your expensive publicity strategy. They spent actual money advertising New 52 on buses! They spent so much money, millions, and he shit all over the strat by sounding like one of the fucking Eltingville Club trying to get out of paying a hooker after the fact.
>>152786675I don’t like Didio anymore than anyone else in this thread but that’s not at all what happened. The Steph!Batgirl cosplayer went to every panel he was at and asked the same question which wasn’t “can you bring Steph back” it was “why don’t you have more women writers”. By the last panel Didio asked her, probably with a bit of a tone, who exactly she wants them to hire. The cosplayer couldn’t think of anyone and slinked into the night. White knights were still a thing then and twisted the story into what you’re claiming happened.
>>152785202>>152785235Was Johns REALLY Didio's "boy"? Because after everything Johns did in Rebirth Didio quickly took over to undo it
>>152786874They disagreed pretty hard on new52 and that seems to be when they had a falling out
>>152781857I would kill to know what it was like when he was working on Reboot because the creator was just as pissy just fat and one of those north English people as close to a Scot as you can get geographically without being one
>>152786675>>152786834Oh wow would you look at that. Another story about Didio that's completely bullshit.
>>152780419>bullying people at DC?This isn't high school
>>152787336At least no one accused him of being capable or doing a good job yet
>>152787422His resume already proves he is one of the most successful editors in the industry. DC comics between 2004-2010 is unparalleled in its quality and he followed that up with the only successful company line reboot in comic history.
>>152786675I'm glad sjw are taking over your industry, because you side with them when it's convenient.
>>152787451Stop glazing yourself Dan. It's embarassing.
>>152787451Well ok now we've seen everything here
>>152787451The Silver Age reboot was more successful.
>>152780419How often it was, it wasn't enough.
>>152787531No one, not even you, knows what you're talking about with this shit but you get points for not being retarded and saying CoiE was better.
>>152787733CoiE WAS better
>>152789533The reboot itself was just as lazy and poorly thought out.
I'm Dan Didio editor of DC's didiome
>>152790402Not no longer you ain't!
>>152781886Waid has no room to talk considering how much of a drama queen he was when he was in editorial.
>>152781857Didn't he used to be a debt collector when he was young? I can imagine that all the snarky creators in interviews and on Twitter like Simone, Rucka, and Waid are actually bad doing in-person confrontations and clamed up fast while around Didio.
>>152782886Right when Steph's Batgirl book got cancelled and the New 52 titles got announced, there was a Steph cosplayer that followed him everywhere during a con constantly asking him where was Steph in the books.
>>152783448Ultimatum and Jeph Loeb killed Ultimate.>>152790776Simone has never said anything bad about Didio. Even when fans try to get her to talk bad about him, she says she had a good relationship with him.
>>152791096The Ultimate universe was already on its deathbed, Ultimatum just pulled the plug
>>152783346>killed the Ultimate universe in its crib.Ultimate had been around by like 11 years by then.
>>152785235>JohnsTry Tony Daniel. Johns is the guy who can do four books in a month. Johns ragequit titans because of a combination of Daniel, Berganza and Didio killing Kon and taking away Bart.
>>152785171>He could have committed to his ideals like how Marvel editors are deadset on never undoing OMD, but he could never truly commit.I mean in some way It is better that they're willing to backtrack on some of their dumb bullshit. But better is relative when they really shouldn't have done it in the first place. They did fix Wally, but they have to fix Jonathan Kent
>>152792333>they have to fix Jonathan KentAllegedly that's happening in Superman Unlimited but I could see Dan Slott being the kind of asshole to tease something the fans really want then go 'haha you actually thought it was gonna happen stupid nerds!'
>>152792367>Allegedly that's happening in Superman UnlimitedNope. That's bait. We know Jon Kent is part of the Next Level Titans.>>152792333>They did fix Wally, but they have to fix Jonathan KentDC wants to deage Jon Kent but it's never gonna actually happen. And not due to DiDio, but because Taylor made him gay.
>>152780419Was his bullying worse than Mark Waids?
>>152783205Asselin is Janelle Siegel, she got married, geez.As a related tangent, in the 90s, DC Comics had a Shadow Editor problem where editors whose names weren't printed on the books were responsible for enforcing decisions on them. Denny O'Neil was responsible for Emerald Twilight, his name's nowhere on it. Mike Carlin was responsible for cancelling the early 90s Justice Society of America, his name's nowhere on it. I think this was something Didio put an end to in the 00s, one of his reforms.>>152783780His statement at the time was that because Steph's Batgirl series was a sales failure, she needed to be benched for a few years until someone could come up with a way to use her that would sell books. It wasn't schizophrenic, he was responding to the market. Often his responses were poor ones.
>>152790759Waid is far more toxic of a coworker than Didio ever was. At least Didio never sent dead flowers to the funeral of a coworkers wife and called him a loser to his face at said funeral.
>>152792611>At least Didio never sent dead flowers to the funeral of a coworkers wife and called him a loser to his face at said funeral.I have no idea what you are talking about here but the Crimson Avenger hammer incident plus all his known autistic tantrums confirmed to me Waid is as asshole and probably got blacklisted by DiDio for a good reason.
>>152791231>killing Kon and taking away BartAll of that happened in the even that Johns was writing and made most of the build up. lmao
>>152792661>I have no idea what you are talking about hereMarc Alessi confirmed the funeral story in an interview with Aint It Cool.
Remember when he fucked JG Jones’ wife?
>>152792755THANK YOUEver since I saw this thread pop up the other day I'd been trying to remember if it was Didio or Johns who had fucked an artist's wife
>>152792696That's like JMS writing Norman fucking Gwen or Claremont writing Jean dying
>>152792774>Claremont writing Jean dyingThe same man who insisted on that resurrected her
>>152792774And?
>>152792771It was Didio, it made Jones so mad he broke his contract with DC and refused to finish Final Crisis so they had to get Mahnke to fill in the final issues.
>>152792774Ultimately they were the ones that went ahead with the plan. And it's not like Johns hasn't pull before IC. These type of stories were one part is absolved and all the blame is put on the unpopular and reviled side are very common in comics. Like Didio has a terrible track in many things, but saying that everything was forced on Johns has a biased way of thinking.
>>152783094Was his or her name really Kwanza?
>>152783094>Didio isn't even given an Executive Editor title on the book.Didio was promoted from EE to Publisher in 2010. He had influence over every book at DC and he took personal credit for this change. https://www.wired.com/2012/07/nightwing-swapped-out-in-smallville/>DC Co-Publisher Dan Didio confirmed at the DC NewWave panel that the change was because they wanted Smallville to use the "most iconic" version of the Nightwing character.
>>152785222Source on that?
>>152786569Writing, not editing.
>>152793165Hickman cope https://www.comicbookherald.com/hickmania-3-hickmans-ultimates-marvel-my-ultimate-year-crossover/>“I think that Ultimate stuff that Esad and I did is one of the best things I’ve done at Marvel. It was unquestionably a failure, but it wasn’t because the book wasn’t good, it was because it was the same time the New 52 came out. .. It got completely crushed under a wave of product. That was a bummer, because the one book that I wanted to do when I started at Marvel was the Ultimates, and do it in a way where I’m basically building in the Ultimate universe…you’re not constrained by continuity in the same way that you are when you’ve got 60 other books coming out in the regular Marvel line. I desperately wanted that book to succeed. I would’ve done that book for years.”
>>152786834I see
>>152793012The fucked thing is that she didn’t even stay with Didio, she moved on to James Robinson , married, and then divorced him later. She was working as an editor for DCI suspect this whole thing was some weird swingers thing gone wrong
>>152789541but enough about new 52
>>152793206Not only that but Robinson hooking up with her led Didio to try to retaliate by firing Robinson from Superman. Didio was in the process of bringing Waid in as replacement writer when WB told him that he couldn't fire Robinson for the reason he did because that would open WB and DC to a lawsuit so Robinson was put back on
>>152793012>>152793206>>152793270wtfWas this woman a hot piece of ass or were these fuckers just so desperate they were beefing over some pass around old hoe?
>>152783448>Spencer on X-MenNobody cares about spencer, the only think in the industry he did was nazicap and retcon Norman fucking Gwen.
>>152791096She also went to bat for Dixon and EVS for a while too.
>>152792661>What, Superman snapped a neck in a movie, I have to stand up and scream in the middle of a movie theater!!
>>152792696He only killed Kon because Didio was deadset on Nightwing dying so Johns offered up Kon as an alternative.
>>152793221>just as
>>152793221Anon is right that COIE reboot was managed poorly>Superman got a reboot but after MoS they does a timeskip>Batman got another origin story but everything still happened>WW started her carreer during Legends>Green lantern got retconed>All flash and Green lantern stories happened(except the ones supergirl or WW appeared)>Hawkman story happened... until it was retconed two years later>TT , Legion happenedIt wasn't that bad, but post crisis was a mess.
>>152793191>it wasn’t because the book wasn’t goodYeah right... >>152793516Maybe he had an idea about how to bring him back but ended up not being able to use it?
>>152793597>>Green lantern got retconedTo what extent? I know Kilowog is from post crisis.
>>152793605>Maybe he had an idea about how to bring him back but ended up not being able to use it?There is also the superboy's rights dispute back then
>>152793650I meant Arrow, but desu GL got Emmerald dawn
>>152793395Nerds and yellow fever, name a more iconic duo.>>152793597All the reboots were ad hoc messes with no coherent, consistent plan.>>152793605The people who were reading it did like what he was doing with the Maker and got mad when Humphries botched the ending after Hickman was pulled off mid-arc, the hype for Ultimate books was just irretrievably gone.
>>152793516>Johns offered up Kon as an alternativeNo, it was because of at the time of IC release the Siegel and Shuster states filled a claim for the copyright of the Superboy character (and thus the name) so DC was started to scrap the use of the name in the comics (for example Prime was renowed to SuperMAN prime for the next years) and then keeping Kon alive without his distinctive codename was a waste.
>>152793827That may have been serendipity but Johns was the guy who said that he saved Nightwing by offering up Superboy instead. It was such a last-minute decision that it ended up heavily screwing over Bruce Jones's Nightwing book, which was supposed to star Jason Todd.
>>152793933It was a last-minute decision but they were gonna stop using Superboy soon anyway up until they reached a settlement.
>>152793827>>152793933Didio wrote a comic about how killing Dick during infinite crises, would lead to world peace
>>152793663>>152793827Man, just how much shock schlock from the 2000s was just pettiness over losing the rights? Recently we figured out how killing off Blue Beetle and Question in favor of quota replacements was probably due to Charlton characters going public domain.>>152793270>cucks her husband>gets cucked by the same bitch>also gets cucked out of revenge againt the new cuckerKarma's also a bitch, no wonder he was so pissy at the offices
>>152794074Yeah it's really funny that of all the regrets he could have "I should have stuck to my guns and killed Dick Grayson" was the biggest.
>>152794086>Recently we figured out how killing off Blue Beetle and Question in favor of quota replacements was probably due to Charlton characters going public domain.They also tried to do it with son of Vulcan, but nobody cared.The lack of rights may also explain why plastic man is relegated as a side character only.
>>152794086>>152794116I think partly because some characters are PD and partly because some characters were created in a time when royalties were highLike for instance the Quality Comics characters are PDBut that doesn't explain why all the Freedom Fighters were killed in Infinite Crisis, because some were created at DC... until you remember DC's version of Black Condor and Phantom Lady were created in that late 80s/early 90s timeDoing all-new versions of Charlton, Quality, Fawcett characters in the 00s would be way more beneficial to DC because it'd be under the new terms
>>152794074>>152794094That was him leaning into the joke, the story he wrote was in a comedy one-shot comic.
>>152794223He also did it to the metal men, during one of the batkek events, he gave them an ego death so he could replace them with his own version.
>>152793455Also John Byrne, until it was no longer convenient to pretend he was a based guy.
>>152792696Mark Waid blames Berganza for the Bart shenanigans, but Johns had the job to write it and could've made it better than the ADHD-curing knee bullet.
>>152793933>Johns said
>>152794881Wasn't Bart screwed up because they fumbled Barry's return?
>>152793746>pic related + the Robinson back and forthI didn't even know I could lose more respect for Didio until now.I'm usually against gossip, but I guess I should thank the anons who brought this to my attention.What a sad joke.
>>152793270I liked that the Funky Winkerbean threads inadvertently proved that the stupid-ass things that happened to Pete in the comics industry seemed plausible because of the stupid-ass things that happened in the real-life comics industryIf you told me that Didio came from the Funky Winkerbean universe I'd believe you
>>152794983Could have been spared, yes.
>>152795030Keith Giffen poked fun at their relationship in a comic Jann herself edited, good sports about it.
>>152793499There's actually no evidence he did that. At least none I could find. He was very public about his dislike of the film, but I can't find any account that he had a spaz attack at the movie.
>>152794983Sort of, Didio wanted Barry to come back during Infinite Crisis but got cold feet at the last minute. However Johns ended his Flash run shortly before and effectively retired Wally in preparation for Barry’s return so they had to do -something- so they artificially aged up Bart and had him take over as Flash. They hired the guys who created the Flash 1990 show to write the Bart/Flash ongoing and they sucked all the fun out of the character and basically had him be a mopey, whiny bitch. Fans hated it and, Didio being Didio, immediately hit the brakes on it, killed off Bart, and wrote Wally back into being Flash. But then a few months after that ended up bringing Barry back anyway in Final Crisis.
>>152795270Maybe it's gone from the internet now, but he blogged about this himself.
>>152795273Bart as Flash was a testrun for DiDio's original plan post-Final Crisis. All the major DC heroes die, their sidekicks take over the mantles (Kon as Superman, Dick or Tim as Batman, Cassie as WW, Bart as Flash, etc) and then they would take advantage of this new DCU without the major heroes to launch an Ultimate DC (which ended up being Earth One). The Titans Tomorrow arc was supposed to be foreshadowing. The reason why this didn't happen, much like 5G, is that when DiDio pitched it to Warner they thought "well, that's retarded" and they reduced it to a few arcs in Morrison's Batman where Dick takes over the cowl.
>>152795256I'm way too behind, this is exactly the kind of staff bantz I wanted more of after reading Dr.13 Architecture and Morality.Shamefully /co/ recommended Ambush Bug several times but I just didn't listen.
>>152792661>the Crimson Avenger hammer incidentFor those who don't know, there was a DC artist who murdered his wife (who was also a colourist at DC) with a hammer. Waid thought it would be funny to sneak a joke about it in some comic strip. Levitz found out and was about to fire him up until some other editors convinced him to just sanction him.
>>152795303Yeah, I remember that. I think Bart as Flash maaaaaaybe could have worked if they didn’t do the retarded artificial aging thing which makes it so he can’t have any sort of relationship without a rape vibe hanging over it or make the character such a whiney bitch…by that point Wally had matured into a more grown up, almost Barry-like adult so having a Flash that more resembled the goofy version in the at-the-time running JLU might’ve worked. But goddamn did they fumble that execution
>>152793191When did continuity ever stop Hickman from a bad asspull retcon?
>>152793191Well, here's hoping Hickman gets a second shot to do an Ultimates run where he can build up an Ultimate Universe based around only a few titles and a free hand with its continuity. That'd be interesting to see.
>>152796230He did. It’s called East of West.
>>152789533No lmao and Kys for thinking that.CoIE was so bad they had to immediately rush out another event to explain the new multiverse and even that didn’t fix any ofthe problems.Riddle me this Batman! Where does your post-crisis continuity begin? Because half your rogues gallery got their origins before that date.
>>152791231Imagine thinking Johns can keep a deadline in 2026.Nigga what is you doing?
>>152793746>Didio after getting reverse-Uno cucked by her:>I HATE CASSANDRA CAIN I HATE CASSANDRA CAIN
>>152793746>Nerds and yellow fever, name a more iconic duoAll that over her? I'm something of a yellow fever guy myself, but she looks mid af, not worth the drama.
>>152796347>immediately rush out1994 was eight years after 1986.The Crisis wasn't a good story and the way it handled was a mess, but I don't believe there's anyone who seriously believes any New 52 pre-Rebirth book was better than its post-crisis pre-zero hour equivalent.
>>152796319That's made up of separate titles?
>>152796366He could back then
Beast machines>beast wars
>>152793746Tbh knowing Hackman's record of endings since... I'm not saying it's impossible he would have ended it good but...*gestures at everything since ff
>>152781886Fucking idiot can't even appreciate getting quality material made
>>152794086Question is public domain?
>>152800585Apparently, yes. At least as presented in Charlton comics, not as in the JLU cartoon.
>>152785171>he let Jurgens and Tomasi being back the marriage. He brought back Wally, Donna Troy, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown even if in reduced roles.Those are called course corrections. Also them being in reduced roles shows he didn't actually want them back, he just knew their sales were dropping like a rock and all those characters have loud fanbases.
>>152791231Johns hasn't been able to get one book out on time for more than 4 issues in a row almost 10 years.He straight up had a year to work on the Stargirl mini between its launch and the Stargirl oneshot and the last issue of it was STILL delayed a month.
>>152800692His Ghost Machine stuff comes out like clockwork, even with artists like Gary Frank and Bryan Hitch
>>152796230The absolute dc line is an attempt at an ultimate universe and is some of the dumbest crap I have read from dc comicsBatman for writers that can't follow a monthly plot and artists that look inspired by the 90's exxxtreme turds
>>152801427>The absolute dc line is an attempt at an ultimate universe Wow no shit Sherlock >and is some of the dumbest crap I have read from dc comicsIt's knocking Marvel off sales charts for the first time in decades without the usual dead cat-bounce of a few months. I agree ABM is retarded beyond compare but the Hickman "wowee I just nuked everything you love, let me rub it in your face harder" crap isn't there.
>>152801427>The absolute dc line is an attempt at an ultimate universeIt is but the concept is different, Ultimate 1 was a weird world filled of cunt heroes(outside Spidey and Rogue) , while Ultimate 2 is just Battleworld but with Reed being the leader instead of doom.Hell, the point of Absolute is that even without everything the heroes still are heroes, while that point in Ultimate 2 doesn't felt like that
>>152800585Yeah, a company that's not DC published a trade of the original comics a few years ago https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-complete-question-gwandanaland-comics/1142734539
>>152800585It is a "night of the living death" situation, they weren't properly copyrighted.
>>152802003>the point of Absolute is that even without everything the heroes still are heroesIt's literally Darkseid's toybox where he's fucked over the toys and they're still prevailing, he's going to be furious. This is better than Maker with his Superboy Prime fantasies of a perfect world (that even Prime is tired of now).The main diff between Rogue in 616 and 1610 is 1610 wasn't as tortured emotionally and gravitated towards leadership faster as a result. I love both but they did my girl right by me in 1610.
>>152794086>due to Charlton characters going public domain.DC bought them when Charlton shut down, the same way they bought the Quality Comics stable (Plastic Man, Uncle Sam, Doll Man, etc.). They weren't going public domain. Charlton wasn't even originally a comic book publisher, they printed cereal boxes after patenting a process that used plastic printing plates and realizing they should diversify.
>>152802530Yes, but the characters entered the public domain because of lack of proper copyright from Charlton.
>>152795333The more I learn about the behind the scenes of comics the more I wish I was still ignorant. Those were better days.
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>>152795333I very nearly want to praise this trolling except that Waid has no sense of humor about himself and feigns social piety plus too fucking soon, nigga
>>152802530DC bought them, but didn't know that back in the 60s Charlton put out comics where the copyright notices were wrong, and this happened on many of their superhero titles. On top of that they didn't even get their copyrights registered for those 60s titles. Back then you needed a proper copyright notice and a registered copyright, I think the law for this didn't change till the 70sThere could be some kind of way DC could argue against it but it's on shaky ground and would explain why they freaked out and changed up The Question and Blue Beetle and Son of Vulcan in the 00s. Captain Atom went by unscathed probably because they heavily redesigned and changed his origin back in the 80s
>>152802850My lifetime experience tells me nice people do not prosper in most forms of media and that the ones you like because of their work you don't want to know more about.
>>152802998>their copyrights registered for those 60s titlesTrademark ≠ copyright. Supergirl, Ms Marvel, She-Hulk and Spider-Woman were all created solely to prevent other comic book publishers from trademarking characters with those names (which would not be considered infringement btw). Ffs Linda Danvers and Carol Danvers are about as blatant legally required characters as it gets.
>>152802976Waid even admitted he would've used "Greg Books" instead of Lee Travis but it would've been too obvious.Someone (probably him) also upset others in the DC offices by hanging up a hammer on a wall with a sign that read "The Greg Brooks Memorial Hammer".
>>152803045Exactly, DC learned by the har way thanks for Captain Marvel.
>>152803078>Danvers>Live in Massachusetts >Legacy to male alien superhero >Flying brick>BlondeI'm honestly flabbergasted none of the Amalgam comics just fused them the way they did the F4 with Challengers of the Unknown
>>152803111Oh, meant when they let the original captain marvel rights expire.He is also in the public domain since his first appearance is also.
>>152803049That's the kind of shit you do at Marvel where trolly mavericks are rewarded, DC has for the most part ended in-jokes with Funky Flashman (The Boys got cancelled right after its Stan Lee expy referred to Will Eisner as "that faggot", and the book had done far worse while selling very well).
>>152803177What, Mar-Vell is already in PD now?
>>152803208Billy, whiz comic 2 is in the public domain.The first 100 issues of police comics are also.
>>152803045I'm not even talking about trademark (which Charlton also didn't register at the time either). Works at the time also had to have their copyrights registered. Had Charlton registered a copyright in the 60s for the superhero comics they published they would've had some chance of saying the comics weren't public domain. Instead they screwed up on both fronts and that's why people believe Question, Blue Beetle, etc are public domainTrademark is a separate issue which DC did register, probably around the 80s since they had titles for Blue Beetle and QuestionIf trademark was all there is they wouldn't have freaked out and did the drastic overhauls they did in the 00s
>>152802998DC wasin a trend of killing and replacing characters during the 90~00s, Identity Crisis did it to both Firestorm and the Atom.The public domain issue may explain why Charlton characters didn't come back like the others. >Captain Atom went by unscathed probably because they heavily redesigned and changed his origin back in the 80sIt is possible that Captain Atom was saved by the fans figuring out armageddon.
>>152803451Had Len Wein chosen any other author to introduce them to the DCU than Alan Moore, they would have been front and center, but the obvious similarity between the Watchmen cast doomed that.
