Apparently, besides humans, monsters, robots, and all sorts of anthropomorphic creatures, and now even dolls, can be empowered and independent? Hmm, good to know.Ok, speaking seriously, was it really necessary to use this character as a kind of feminist propaganda? I mean, there's a lot of discussion on the internet about how in this movie she had more prominence, how she was more developed Etcetera. Which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing, the biggest problem in my view is how they simply created a new character. And the worst part is that this personality change was so forced that in the first moments of the fourth movie we already see her with a new personality that she didn't have in the first and second movies (Gaslighting) as if she had always been like thatPersonally, even with maybe less than 20 minutes of screen time in two films, I prefer the sweet and "non-independent" version of her, when she was a simple shepherdess, instead of a doll who became an strong and independent who wants to travel the world (I've seen this somewhere on Instagram thousands of times).
>>152781575When I was about 13 and watched Toy Story 1 almost every week, I used to fantasize about one day finding candy like this character, with mannerisms from the last century. Poor boys who will grow up with masculine women, haha.Toy ONIONS 4 sucks btw
>>152781575It seems that Jessie in the fifth season will take the place of matriarch of the group. Buzz Bros? Our answer?
>>152781575Why do moids behave in such a petty way? Why can't a character be a real personality instead of some static 1800s nonsense that only serves to be "cute" on screen? It's incredible how you try to control anything even remotely feminine, even in fiction, because let me tell you, for a large part of my life I was a "repressed" girl and nobody appreciated me Only after I "masculinized" myself did I receive any kind of recognition.
>>152781689Cope, useless bitch, you lost
>>152781575Toy Story is highly satanic because it has possessed toys
>>152781689>Why do moids behave in such a petty way? Why can't a character be a real personality instead of some static 1800s nonsense that only serves to be "cute" on screen?Honestly, I wonder if you're trolling or if I really believe this...? If it's true, it must be sad to be you. And your personal story is irrelevant to the thread, write a biography or go cry somewhere else. >>152781614If you find a woman like her, introduce me to her sister.
>>152781575She was cut from Toy Story 3 because they realized there was no logical way for her to survive the daycare toddlers or the garbage dump. Then people bitched about her absence even though some of them recognized the reasons and in doing so, Pixar decided to overcompensate and make Bo Peep into some self-repairing survivalist toy.
>>152781706>>152781747Argumentum? No. Just insults and monkey behavior old bee sucks
>>152781760keep dilatingBy the way, I think it's interesting to talk about limitations here. You, as well as the creators of Toy Story 4, forgot that Bo Peep was made of PORCELAIN, and this limits all her movements and consequently prevents her from performing amazing feats. The creators of the first film purposefully chose a porcelain doll precisely because of how her personality would be. Stop crying.
>>152781750I know, don't get me wrong, I'm not against her return, I just don't think they should use her as a ready-made recipe for "women's resilience" that we've seen millions of times. In the third film, it would be interesting if, in a flashback, they perhaps showed how she was given to a girl who was afraid of the dark or something like that.
>>152781689This OP's probably an incel.
>>152781868>incelI think nobody takes this insult seriously, go back to Twitter.
>>152781785Are you and your friends having a virgin rage attack because the character has a REAL personality that doesn't fit your fascist expectations? Wow, how gay! By the way, your logic is flawed no toy could do that, they're all plastic.
>>152781689>nobody appreciated meCan't imagine why.>Only after I "masculinized" myself did I receive any kind of recognition.Oh no, we're only pretending in order to avoid your nagging. You are a walking billboard that reads "mental illness".
So, prefer demure characters does that make some women cry? Great. Here's a facial expression comparison, a feminist icon more fearless than Woody and Buzz Lightyear or a delicate, smiling peasant girl?
>>152781918Of course there's a huge barrier between fiction and reality, but she's made of porcelain, limited in her essence, and couldn't go out exploring the world like a 16th-century Spanish colonist. What's so hard to understand? This was the reason why the creators made a porcelain doll in the first place, as he said>>152781750She was always fragile.
>>152781998It's more that she was worthless.
This thread sucks ass and is probably half falseflagging Russians or Chinamen
>>152781998translating:>A character with absolutely no relevance, limited to acting like a baby with no attitude = good >A character with attitude, useful, and actively participating in the world around them = bad Why are men like this?>>152782054That was never a problem in the 4th movie. What are you smoking? What a lame excuse
>>152782098>>152782079
>>152781575Honestly I really liked that he had more screen time, but I agree that this very abrupt personality change was kind of lazy. Surely they'll explain what caused this change maybe using an explanation that years of "survival" made her act this way, but even so, I don't buy that idea.
>>152782098Why does she need to have any agency at all? She wasn't included in 3 for logical reasons and then shoved in 4 for woke brownie points. Idk seems gay to think she needed to be brought back at all. Like what 3 movies are you watching where you're thinking "Wow I wish bo peep did more" because it can't be the same Toy storys everyone else as seen
old bo peep appreciation topic
>>152782170Are you still making the same arguments, OP? And why shouldn't she come back? You yourself admitted that she doesn't appear in the films, but for some reason you prefer an empty, soulless character. Seriously, why is that>>152782181 "better"?
Keep seething
The "better" in question
>>152782324>>152782260>>152782181Everyone is laughing at you.
>>152781575I don't even remember what Toy Story 4 was like, was it really that feminist?
>>152782224I'm not op I just think it's weird to not understand that she's a forgettable character that shouldn't have been brought and was only in 4 because of how insecure libs are
>>152782380There's a line in the fourth movie where she says to Woody, "I lead, you follow." Does that answer your question?
>>152781575>, speaking seriously, was it really necessary to use this character as a kind of feminist propaganda? I mean, there's a lot of discussion on the internet about how in this movie she had more prominence, how she was more developed Etcetera. Which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing, the biggest problem in my view is how they simply created a new character.It wasn't necessary, but millenial college "educated" wokes are brainwashed and retarded.
>>152782380NoThis thread is a bad joke there's nothing "feminist" about it, besides some>she now has personality aka muh feminism
>>152782446Especially those who see feminism where it doesn't exist, right?
>>152782343Good, now repeat that while looking in the mirror
>>152782380It was less feminist than Kim Possible OP just got triggered
>>152782612>>152782495Yeah left leaning posters are always arguing in bad faith so I'll watch it myself.
>>152782612Stfu, retard
>>152782612I watched this movie less than 4 days ago and I can assure you that the OP wasn't exaggerating it's very feminist, she literally bosses Woody around.
This girl is out of control, do you think nobody noticed this sameflag? Its woke shitty everyone can see
So did her porcelain body shatter and get replaced or something?
>>152782098Why do women need to act macho and bossy to be considered good characters? Why can't she keep her sweet persona?
>>152782684If you watch the movie and stop spouting "woke, feminism" like mules, you'll see that it's patched together. The argument is lost.
>>152782719At this point, I'm going to assume you're trolling, because I've explained this a million times, and nobody's listening to me. You're just cursing, yelling, and trying to humiliate, but that just failed, you fool.It's been explained thousands of times that, if you watch the movie, she's a useless character with no active participation, she doesn't even have a real personality. So, it's all a matter of character development here. Besides, tell me, what sweet and gentle female character has a good story? Yeah, can you think of even one
>>152782859>Besides, tell me, what sweet and gentle female character has a good story? Yeah, can you think of even oneNice cope, faggot
>>152781575Why did Toy Story 3 imply she died?
>>152781575>turned her into a girlboss bitch>belittles Woody even though he tried to help her>made her wear pants instead of keeping her original designThere are reasons why this version of Bo is called the "franchise killer"
>>152781689t.seething hagTITS OR GTFO
>>152782859Most of the early Disney princesses I guess , Matilda, Alice, Dorothy, orphan Annie
>>152782654>OP wasn't exaggerating it's very feminist, she literally bosses Woody around.Yep, saw it too. TS4 Bo is not the real Bo. The real Bo would have never been a bitch to Woody. TS4 Bo reeks of toxic femininity.
>>152782932These characters all tell a man to do something at least once, and he listens. Yall just aged bitter.
>>152782722>please give me money or engagement metricsNo? Ughhhh, I know, I know, I'm just not watching it is all.
>>152782957Nice deflection, useless bitch
>>152782968Lol, nice deflection useful idiot
>>152781575>speaking seriously, was it really necessary to use this character as a kind of feminist propaganda?I never saw it like propaganda but also i think she is the best one for this because she wasn't really a toyShe was a statue lamp and was literally kind of stuck so I think it's nice that she out of all people decided to be free of needing to stand around depending on a kid to feel happy
>>152782131>Be Rosie the Riveter>married to a guy who builds airplanes>becomes a full-time housewife>he goes off the fight in WW1 & WW2>she takes over his job because he's off risking his life fighting the war>he comes back from the wars>she quits her job & becomes a full-time housewife againYou feminist cunts aren't ready for this conversation yet.
>>152782971Cope, whore
>>152782957>LISTEN TO WOMEN, INCELSNo, I don't think I will. Holes are for fucking, not for listening. Fuck off & die already, you post-wall aging hole.
This sounded slightly incel at first but i lowkey agree with you, the change was SO forced. she used to me my fav now shes just forced diversity
>>152782976That is a nice way to look at it.
>>152782871>>152782917Stop acting like a monkey
>>152782947>>152782904We can conclude that it's not simply a matter of "incelism." The character is really poorly written; they could have developed her personality or at least made her less toxic and "tough," bossing Woody around and taking the initiative all the time. But of course, she was limited by being a porcelain statue from the beginning
>>152783049>>152782976Correct, OP and his friends are wrong
>>152781575I love the old version and her sweet persona
>>152782976>never saw it like propagandaI imagine you'd say the same about the new Star Wars and Mad Max movies, am I right
I don't remember bo peep being that bad. You want an actual obnoxious girlboss, watch Transformers One.
>>152783533Both are girlboss unbearable.
>>152781689I’m a guy and I agree with you completely. It’s genuinely embarrassing how many men throw tantrums over not being able to micromanage women
>>152781575This movie was Disney's way of apologizing to Annie Potts. On that level, I'm fine with it. Go get that money. Not her fault that Hollywood can't write female characters without resorting to sloganeering propaganda.
>>152783036Exactly. Also it's the typical feminist bullshit that feminity means you are weak and worthless, not even worth protecting. Notice how Bow Peep takes the show whilw Woody for some reason is a complete effeminate coward for no reason. Feminism isn't just teaching women that they can stand against the boys or even overpowering them, it's also about protecting women who are feminin and teaching that being emotional and feminin doesn't make them less of a man either.
>>152781575The problem is they look at the past and see this kind of more demure lady like character and see it as a wrong that needs to be corrected. Bo was wrong for being feminine.
>>152782722I watched the movie and you're only referring to the condition of her cloth body. It doesn't answer my initial question.
>>152782722The only people who get mad at woke feminist propaganda being called out are indoctrinated woke feminists.
>>152781689Yep, you're a real "G.I.R.L." (Guy In Real Life)
>>152783901>>152783750See here>>152782098
>>152782998Rosie the Riveter is a fictional character, dumbass
>>152783973>>152783923>>152783659At this point, there are at least 5 anonymous people who have reached the same conclusion after watching this film: no one is reducing her clothing, she dominates Woody She should constantly and always appear tough and independent. We never had this problem with Jessie, and you see, she wasn't as reserved as Bo, which has a personality completely opposite to what we originally saw. Or are you incapable of seeing that? Why is her being demure and feminine inherently wrong?
>>152784040Anon for god's sake you are arguing over a children's movie from over 6 years ago. I know it triggered you that the female character spoke and did things and that your favorite toy, Sheriff Woody, wasn't as cool or special in the film as you had hoped he was going to be, but it's time to get over it. It's just a movie, if you don't like it you can turn it off. There are plenty of offensive, sexist, racist movies out there that you can watch instead.>b-but they're corrupting le children!First of all you don't have kids, and even if you did my point still stands, just have them watch something else. Tell them there are only three Toy Story movies, who gives a fuck?
>>152781575She had to adapt to living in the fucking wild.
>>152784101what is there to adapt to? It's not like she has to eat or is desirable as food
>>152785095Breaking. Toys break.
>>152784101Adapting while ignoring the fact that she's made of porcelain? Or rather, was it really impossible for her to adapt without being a girlboss? When exactly does her being "lost" imply acting like a feminist or dominating Woody? Are you telling me that this justifies petty behavior?
>>152784094You forgot to call me a misogynist.
theres only 2 toy story movies
>>152781575bo peep doesnt have legsshes made of porcelin
>>152785862Its way more nuanced than being a barefoot pregnant tradwife with baby toys.
>>152786800Projecting fetishes now?
>>152784040Its ok your peepee tingles when a hot girl is bossy anon, but there are funner ways than this to get your rocks off
>>152784040Anything remotely traditional is bad by default now, sorry anon I don't make the rules.
>>152786940You were hyperbolic first.
>>152782098If "Attitude" is your only way you think a woman/anyone can be empowered then you need to go outside more and interact with real humans. Male character leads can be diverse in personality, but these days female leads must either be a flawless girl boss (who needs to one up the established male lead who's suddenly incompetent) or she's adorkable. It's tiring and unrelatable
>>1527840944cucks never grow up because they're pussy whipped spergs that hyper fixate on stupid shit no one that's normal and has sex gives a fuck about
How did her dress come off? It's like buzz light-year taking off his armor or woody removing his shirt. They can't because it's their skin
>>152787559girl power
>>152787559a lot of dolls in that style do in fact have separate cloth clothes that can be removed, the part that doesn't make any sense is how she went from being what was clearly meant to be a porcelain doll to being a a plastic barbie doll.
This is a weird thread because no one isacting like Bo Peep did anything in the first movie, but she was the one that tried to keep everyone emotionally grounded.Also, I remember her more im the first movie even if it was a more "nothing character" connected to Woody because at least there was a nice dynamic going on there, it's obvious they both liked each other without being domineering.I honestly forgot she was in the fourth movie because in my mind it just goes> spork> slappy dolls> key and peele at carnival> stuntmanguy> okay living as a hobo or got back to Bonnie I forgotIf you really wanted her to girlboss while keeping her original nature, you could have her in the antique mall still porcelian, and when Woody tries to escape by force and fails, just have her talk back the "boss" of the place or distract her with a tea time while Woody gets out a back exit. You could still have her travel a lot of places by just getting resold or swapping with toys that are brought at antique malls. There are a lot of antique malls out there.
>>152781575Princess Peach as well. Dainty and girly in today’s day and age? We woke baby
>>152781575this is why people will end up liking femboys btw.
>>152787812Thats the agenda. Make everything gay and corrupt the youth
>>152786516Another evidence against the girlboss shit
>>152787756This has been said many, many times here, so why are you acting like you're the first?
>>152787756>keeping her original nature>girlboss?
there are inherent limitations in the character that don't allow her to take risks or even do all those jumps we saw in the 4th movie in fact, she was considered for the 3rd movie, And another thing is that these modern writers actually hate women. Why do I say this? Simply because they've come to the conclusion that a woman being delicate, sweet, demure, and not "brave" is something that must necessarily be overcome at all costs, and so a sometimes crude masculinization must be achieved. If that isn't hatred of the feminine, I don't know what is.And as he said,>>152787756she always tried to emotionally soothe people during tense moments, especially when Woody was being jealous of Buzz. So, for those retarded feminists, the old Bo is not only superior to this feminist and genetically modified version, but she's also the one who killed the franchise for good.
>>152787809Even in Real word
>>152781575I like new bopeep and her large ass but thought the characterization in 4 was shit. Buzz and Jessie are barely the same as their previous movies. Also, really fuckong weird to use children's toys and children as a metaphor for divorce. Really fucking creepy to have woody choosing between a child and a woman toy his own age.
are mannequins in the toy story universe sentient?
>>152789183>Really fucking creepy to have woody choosing between a child and a woman toy his own age.The more toy story goes on the more it makes you think about things you really shouldn't. Its more like backwards parenting not divorce. Does woody stay in a bad relationship for the kid? Or does he leave to be happy. I dont know its retarded it should have ended at 2.
Of Andy brought an Asuka figure with an Eva Unit, would the mecha toy have its own consciousness? Or would it only 'wake up' if there was a pilot inside to control it?
99% of the toys you owned as a kid a broken and buried deep in a landfill
And none of you have told me yet: where are there women like the old Bo? Please help me.
>>152781575This shit was so bad that she's gone from toy story 5 and absolutely no one is missing her
>>152790389True, haha, she didn't appear in any trailers, haha. Actually, years ago I did a test with my little cousins. They were watching several Pixar movies, and we watched the Toy Story trilogy, but when we watched the fourth movie, they found it boring, and incredibly, the little girl said that Bo and Woody were boring, haha. Even the kids didn't like it.
>>152790330They don't exist, anon. All women are like the modern Bo, and men accept being treated like Woody, submissive and dominated>>152783203
>>152790475No. Someone tell me something to make me feel better, damn it, someone say something.
>>152790513Its over, lad>>152789289Andy by the power of love
>>152790330All women need to act like no nonsense 4 star generals with a chip on their shoulder
>>152790909According to Wikipedia
>>152790330Sorry no
Is it just me, or is it implied in the third movie that she actually died?
>>152793344No
>>152793344Yes
>>152796332She doesn't stop lying
>2026 and we're STILL bitching about Toy Story sequels Disney's greed won. Quit talking to a brick wall and go do something productive with your lives.
>>152793344It was implied something happened to her and they lost contact
