>>152793973
Should have used a return of the jedi title ngl.

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>>152793973
Finally watched Rebels. What did you guys thought of it while it was coming out, and what are your views on it now?
Personally I found it pretty solid as a whole. Definetly not great and bears some problems, but I do think the positives outweigh the negatives, and is one of the few good projects of the Disney era.

>>152793973
Calling it, while she is going to fill the role of lucas's talon (maybe splitting from maul), she's not going to be called talon at all.

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>>152793949
>Also deathwatch has the exact same design as jango to talk about clones.
I mean, not really. The only visual similarity between them, apart from the armor in general, is that they both have blue. Other than that, Jango's armor is entirely unpainted whereas Death Watch from the beginning all the way to Bo-katan loyalists in live action have been shown to be completely painted suits of armor.

Yes, they initially thought to stay within the Jango Fett palette in TCW, but clearly they decided otherwise.

>>152794140
I think the opposite in some ways. Yes, she'll be called Talon, just without the Darth title because Maul isn't a Sith anymore to pass the title to. And I think she'll die at the end of the series because Maul can't maintain an apprentice because he's Sisyphus.

>>152794150
It's the same but less Shiney/saturated animation wise. So.

>>152794150
I do think with death watch its the same thing as the clones, the few actually distinct characters get individualized designs, but still fit into a whole, got nothing on that, but it is a little to save on money. (Understandably so, tcw is a super expesnive show.)
>>152794178
The dark grey looks ligther in the show ngl.

>>152794171
I mean, yeah the current era is consitent on not keeping the darth thing, which i dont love, just doubt she'll be called talon cause disney doesnt want kiddos googling that and being shown booba (she was in a mobile game with that name too, just censored).

I feel she'll turn on him. Honestly i am curious on the show, first animated star wars thing im geniunly curious on, even if rebels deadlocks it.

>>152794221
I mean, it does have to end on Maul getting stranded in Malachor as a husk of his old self after all. It'll probably be a Scarface type story with his rise and ultimate downfall, which will include the people closest to him betraying him or leaving him to rot.

>>152793973
Lucas Jango and Boba suck ass, they're basically the same shit as Aidsney Boba Fett with muh pacifism and simple man nonsense. I remember when Boba used to be Angel Eyes in space, pure evil and heartless. That was awesome. And Jango was so much better in Open Seasons and his own game than AotC, where he hired another bounty hunter to do his job, ran away like a fucking pussy and died like a bitch.

>>152794171
>And I think she'll die at the end of the series
Given Lucasfilm's current tendency of having a fuckton of force users alive during the time of the OT yet having them doing jackshit during it I do believe she'll survive but split from Maul still

>>152794272
>where he hired another bounty hunter to do his job
You mean attempting to cover his tracks because he's got a kid waiting for him at home? That was smart.
>and died like a bitch.
Getting killed by the best swordsman in the galaxy at the time because your were too much of a tank to be killed by anyone else is not dying like a bitch. That's being a badass.

>>152794178
>It's the same but less Shiney/saturated animation wise. So.
It's not. There are different shades of blue and as shown, Jango's was unpainted whereas Death Watch was totally painted. You can even see that in the bit of the image that has a depiction of Jango in TCW. Notice his plating actually has reluctance to show metallic sheen whereas Death Watch had nothing of the sort.

>>152794362
>You mean attempting to cover his tracks because he's got a kid waiting for him at home
Except he didn't do shit because they caught Wessell and he had to intervene. So much for "covering his tracks"
>Getting killed by the best swordsman in the galaxy at the time because your were too much of a tank to be killed by anyone else is not dying like a bitch
Losing your jetpack to general chaos and being forced to pathetically try to gun down a far more agile opponent without even dodging is absolutely a bitch move. Any Jedi could have killed Jango in Geonosis. Even fucking Kit Fisto.

>>152794117
Mid

>>152794117
>At the time
Thought it was fun, but i stopped following it closely at around season 2 which is where star wars under disney lost me, i did check stuff as it finished and all.
>Now
Its a solid 6-7/10 show.It does a few really dumb/bad things (some which really deadlocked the current canon), but it tells a complete story and has some standouts, never reaches the same heights tcw did, but also never reaches as low. Season 1 holds the best as an actual season for the characters. A friend of mine once called it a star wars rpg session, and i think that's the best lense for it., and it comes with the same uneveness of character, but as a show, and it gets very distracted by other pre-existing characters's stories during the setup as if the dm wanted to focus on that.

>>152794398
>Except he didn't do shit because they caught Wessell and he had to intervene.
He did cover his tracks by intervening. He only fucked up because Obi-wan happened to know the ONE fat-guy on Coruscant who was able to identify where the dart came from.
>Losing your jetpack to general chaos and being forced to pathetically try to gun down a far more agile opponent without even dodging is absolutely a bitch move
No it is not. And he didn't lose the jetpack. It was still on him. He was supposed to have lifted away but it got damaged by the Reek. You can even see a failed exhaust from it seconds before Windu's strike makes contact.
>Any Jedi could have killed Jango in Geonosis. Even fucking Kit Fisto.
Obi-wan was one of the Order's top 5 best fighters and he couldn't even beat Fett. Not to mention Coleman Trebor, a member of the council, absolutely got styled on by Fett because he was that good.

I get it. You hate Jango Fett. But you're trying to make him out to be something he isn't ain't working.

>>152794267
Is this happening before or after solo? Solo fucks with the tcw-to-rebels story so much lmao. Im guessing its going to be talon taking over the organization if its after, and if its before, its her dipping.

Also man i really dislike the angle they took for malechor. Not maul's character overall, but that aspect.
>>152794272
He killed a jedi at least. Do like open seasons too.
>>152794324
Yeah. I can see this being setup for something else dealing with whatever she makes.

>>152794428
>some which really deadlocked the current canon
Keeping Ahsoka alive past Malachor really was a disservice. For a franchise where one of it's main messages is about "letting go", Filoni just can help but to hold on to his OC.

>>152794471
>Is this happening before or after solo?
Idk to be honest, perhaps thw series while take place over many years and at some point it'll overlap with Solo.

>>152794476
Its interesting, cause ahsoka as a character was at her most compelling there (id say season 5 of tcw is where she became interesting to begin with, but rebels took that and ran with it). And it would have been such a perfect perfect ending. But nah. She then is a character zombie that creates a ton of plot holes with her existence, becuase she's a jedi survivor that would 100 percent affect everything. And then the only thing she could add is kinda impossible due to TFA.

Not the only thing, i dislike making it canon that stormtroopers are bad shots (when the movies actually show them being good shots other than in the deathstar), making the inquisitors such massive jobbers (and starting with the strongest, rather than doing the logical thing and starting with the weaker ones),having thrawn be beaten like that (and in general the writing of him is so off), generally making all the antagonists so incompetent, ect. But its not a bad show either.

>>152794117
As a Star Wars show, what a fucking waste of a name. "Rebels" should have been the name of a TCW style show focused on the OT cast and happening between episodes 4 and 6. I'm also frustrated with how much it aped from the OT and how that was part of this bizarre move to stripe away the OT characters from their roles.

By itself, I think it was alright. I love stories with the ATLA-esque setups but this one feels boring to me. The first seasons are a little childish, though I think the later half of the show was quite better.

I still prefer The Bad Batch over it.

>>152794521
>As a Star Wars show, what a fucking waste of a name.
I'm gonna watch Andor next, but from what I hear that show fits the "Rebels" title best. Rebels, while still having them on the forefront, does throw in a lot of SW lore reaching far beyond the scope of the rebellion. Yes, they can say it's a small story but by adding force users you inevitably expand the scope.

>>152794521
Wdym by the role thing

>>152794555
>I'm gonna watch Andor next
I'm gonna be completely honest, I'll never watch Andor out of spite with how much it turned the discourse around it.

I don't mind it on a lore angle since it is more self conteined and doesn't fuck up the original movies like the ST (or the PT to a lesser extent), but god dammit it looks like a bore and people praise it for that exact reason. Star Wars is supposed to have some whimsy to it, now I'm sure I'll die before seeing a sci-fi story like that ever again.

>>152794395
Yes it's using different shades and a shinier effect. But it's a similar color scheme. You are right there is a difference on the chest. But it is a very very similar design that could be seen as just artistic lense (like the clone visor being different)

>>152794561
The ST stole Leia's role to lead a new republic and Luke's role of recreating the Jedi order.

Rebels took the cartoon spot of making stories about the rebels with the OT cast, and by leading to the Ahsoka show which is also doing something similar to the ST.

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>>152794117
I hate it, and I don't think there is a single good thing about it. It's the foundation of Disney canon, it's like cancer that seeped everywhere, and there is no way to get rid of it. I fucking hate its characters, I fucking hate Ezra and Sabine, I fucking hate the Inquisitors, I fucking hate world between worlds, I fucking hate giant time/space traveling wolves, I fucking hate space whales. It ruined Ahsoka, it ruined Gregor, it ruined Mandalorians, it ruined the Empire and made them a complete non-threat, it ruined the premise that stealing the Death Star plans was Rebels' first victory, when in this they blow up a Star Destroyer every week and liberate their planet without any consequences whatsoever. It's garbage in every conceivable way, both technically and narratively. I can't stand it. It also started the dogshit found family formula that we still can't get rid of. The Clone Wars, Darth Maul game and 1313 died for this.
>b-but what about Maul vs Kenobi?!
I thought it was cool at first, and there is some neat visual storytelling in that duel. But lately more and more I've been thinking it was just a waste. Should have kept him alive for post-Endor era as Lucas intended. Reducing him back to MUH KENOBI (which he got over in TCW) and killing him off in a fucking DisneyXD cartoon was a massive fucking waste. And now the bad guy of post-Endor era is fucking Gus Fring and blue Sherlock Holmes. Wow, so exciting.

>>152794555
Andor's pretty great, but its something that i persnoally have no emotional connection to, its great at what its doing, but what its doing just isnt super appealing to me personally. Like the x-wing novels, great books, but they dont resonate much with me. And that's fine, star wars has a lot of stories you can tell.
>>152794595
Its a very slow show, yeah.

>>152794654
I prefer Darth maul dying to obi wan.Him as the main villain of a st feels retarded.

>>152794654
Well id say the fundation is tcw, more than the movies, its the first work added after the fundation.
The space whale thing is really stupid, forgot to mention it prior and the world without worlds goes without mention. And its true that it gives them too many victories over the empire. I think it made ahsoka great, untill it undermined it.

Not sure on maul as the ST villain, it could have worked, but making your big villain the villain from tpm who came back ina c artoon, feels like its a mess especially cause he has nothing to tie him to the OT heroes. I dont think there's anything wrong with having trawn as a post ROTJ threat, he works well there, tho doing him without any of the OT heroes, or a cboath is pretty stupid, as is tying that with the nightsisters (where ngl, tcw made them too OP) is dumb. Tho wouldnt the point of comparison be the first order? Which is irregardless of whatever rebels did.

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>>152794521
So you wanted this pitch by the person behind the tfu ports?

>>152794654
Sauce?

>>152794522
He won using their custom, which everyone else follows and ever her leader does because they're all dogmatic, its just contrived to have someone help obi/ahsoka later. Id be cool with it if we had any of that dimension shown prior, but she's giddy burning villages down, and not even obi back when george was around brings it up

It tracks lol.

>>152793973
I think the left pic is AI slop

>>152794713
I know that for Lucasfilm the OT is sacred ground, but I do feel like not doing an animated show with those characters is a huge missed opportunity. Yes, a show set between RotJ and TFA wouldn't fix the problems of the sequels, but the concept of a Jedi academy series does sound compelling.

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>>152794744
>He won using their custom, which everyone else follows and ever her leader does because they're all dogmatic, its just contrived to have someone help obi/ahsoka later.
No, it makes sense. She was suspicious of them from the start. It was Pre Vizsla who thought he could use Maul and get away with it. It was established from the start. It makes sense that some of them would not go along with it, because Maul is an outsider, and it was clear that he was just using them.
>Id be cool with it if we had any of that dimension shown prior, but she's giddy burning villages down, and not even obi back when george was around brings it up
That was her dimension. She is not so retarded that she follows their dogma without thinking. But that doesn't mean she is a good guy. She was a Mandalorian nationalist still, and Mandalorians are not supposed to be good guys. Obi-Wan didn't know about the village thing. Ahsoka didn't see her face in that episode where they burned down a village. She did not even know her name. At best, she might have told Obi that Death Watch was up to no good again, which is no surprise to Obi-Wan, who had witnessed them committing terrorism on his first visit to Mandalore. Bo-Katan was introduced to Obi-Wan as his savior from Maul's captivity. She was a reluctant ally. But that doesn't mean she is a good guy. The problem is that Rebels and later made her an unconditional good guy and memory holed her origins.

>>152794862
>The problem is that Rebels and later made her an unconditional good guy and memory holed her origins.
I wouldn't call it that. Just that history favors the winner. Bo-katan won against all her major adversaries so her crimes get swept under the rug. It's no different than real life.

>>152794959
Katee Sackhoff did say recently that the character is based on Filoni's wife so there might be a bit of bias behind the scenes

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>>152794984
As another anon pointed out in this thread or the last, it's just the name that's based on his wife and their cat. The character herself is not based on his wife. Sackhoff was likely just embellishing in that regard. But I do agree with her in that she'll probably continue to pop up. There's still a lot of room for other potential stories for the character.

>>152794713
Eh this looks like that shitty doll ad cartoon, do it like CW03 or the Boba Fett cartoon if you wanna do it 2D.

>>152794756
For god sake no, stop asking for post RotJ stories, this timeline is fucked forever unless they decide to decanonize the sequels.

Have it be between 4 and 6, we get to see more of the rebellion AND most importantly, we get to see Vader as Vader for longer. Though honestly, they would screw up real bad no matter what.

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she deserves her own tv show.

>>152794756
Is it sacred ground? They've mined it a lot, they didnt start doing PT era stuff that wasnt tcw leftovers for a while. Unless that's what you mean by it, then yeah.

I think it could have been cool, but yes tfa is very limiting. But it might have helped.
>>152795221
I meant more so the idea, only fan concept for something like that i could find.

Ngl between 4-6 there arent a lot of intresting stories you can tell. Shadow of the empire was good, but both comic runs show its pretty limiting. Makes sense to use the iconography though. Unless you come up with a lot of original stuff, but unlike the clone wars we didnt skip a lot of stuff.

>>152795259
It's not like most of what happens in TCW or even CW03 matters that much to the main story.

The Boba Fett cartoon is a good window into what a show like this could be, do TCW style missions and storylines across a couple episodes but about the OT conflict instead. Like, you could do an episode right before ESB about the Wampa infestation thing that was cut from the movie. You can also do a whole journey of Luke dealing with the father reveal and his struggle with it.

>>152794362
Mace is just any other loser in the films. He's nothing like how the EU portrays him and even his EU portrayals tend to suck.

>>152795259
>They've mined it a lot, they didnt start doing PT era stuff that wasnt tcw leftovers for a while
I mean more about using the actual main charaters as the focus point, not just stories set around the era. TCW yes, did showcase a lot of the world, but Anakin and Obi-Wan were still at the forefront.

>>152795221
>we get to see Vader as Vader for longer. Though honestly, they would screw up real bad no matter what.
Would they? So far we've had Vader portrayed at his absolute best in the last 14 years than we did in the previous 30-something. Current stuff on average has made him live up to still being the Chosen One and an absolute unstoppable force.

>>152794362
>You mean attempting to cover his tracks because he's got a kid waiting for him at home? That was smart.
1. By adding more people into the conspiracy he created more chances of someone outting him. Zam was even about to out him until Jango killed him... with a fucking traceable dart.
2. He still gave Zam stupid bugs to kill Padme rather than just giving her a bomb to deploy.
3. Zam uses a fucking droid, why the fuck did Jango bother with a middle man at all when he could have just used the droid?
Jango's a retard.

>>152795310
>stories set around the era
Is there any show inside the OT era besides Ewoks?
All the ones I'm aware are before ANH or after RotJ.

>>152794466
>He did cover his tracks by intervening. He only fucked up because Obi-wan happened to know the ONE fat-guy on Coruscant who was able to identify where the dart came from.
Yeah it's a real shame this universe doesn't have long range weapons that use lasers that are completely untraceable...

>>152795296
Eh, anakin being knigthed matters, conceptaully it serves to show obi and anakin's relationship shifting tho tcw just starts with the rots opening one and its a bigger hole than we have within the OT.

I suppose. That's just the marvel/dark horse comic, i found it a bit boring, but i get it.
>>152795310
Ah, gotcha. I dunno if its reverence or lack of interest in the characters as characters? Even the books/comics have this issue (tho they're also stuck only being able to tell between movie stories, and nothing bold like before barring HR), which never was a thing before.

I do wonder how tcw would have been if it wasnt focused on anakin/obi wan and we got to see them trough other characters, maybe anakin would have been a padawan at the start? Idk.

>>152795328
I think Anakin was did very well in both cartoons despite how much he sucks on the movies, and the Vader cameos here and there are neat, but I just don't trust Lucasfilm anymore.

>>152795328
Really? Vader's portrayal hasnt really changed, he was exactly like that in the dark horse comic series. And novels that featured him.

Maaybe like tfu? That's the only case i can think of where it wasnt like that

>>152795360
>Really?
Yeah. Legends stuff went out of their way to make him as being severely weakened and lost all his potential and weighed down by his prosthesis whereas new stuff shows he lost nothing. Not his potential, not his speed and agility, nothing. His power continued to skyrocket since Mustafar and his prosthetics make him stronger. Both physically and by honing his connection to the Dark Side.

>>152795412
Ive read dark lord the rise of darth vader, that's not quite true. He's lost his potential, but he's still a juggernaut and stronger than he was as ankin. He gets a ton of jedi kills after all.

And its in line with goerge's claim that he's reduced his potential to 80 percent of what it was before while luke/leia still have that potential. So ironically its more in line.

>>152795429
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2005/02/star-wars-george-lucas-story
>"Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful,” he says. “But he ended up losing his legs and an arm and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because, as a living form, there’s not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he’s maybe 20 percent less than him.

But again, i dont think the EU makes him that weak, he's like stronger than almost every other sith there.

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>>152794746
Nah, its by the artist ramartwork, done back in 2016 https://www.deviantart.com/ramartwork/art/Darth-Talon-617195202

Any drawing requests or ideas? Preferably ones that aren't of characters or aliens that are way over done (like Ahsoka,Twi'leks,etc.)

>>152794117
Pretty mid desu, while it had some interesting ideas yet had plenty of issues like what it could show or not show unlike clone wars where you see folk getting gunned down, here when someone is about to die the camera slowly moved to the side so you wouldn't see it or it's a explosion (unless it stormtroopers then you see them getting gunned down by the dozen as they are faceless nobodies who all sound the same)

And the characters are.....well let say they ain't the best, though I did find Hera and Kanan when together pretty sweet but I can't say the same to the other members of the ghost crew, I'm looking at you Zeb...

>>152795541
What's your art?

>>152795614
>(unless it stormtroopers then you see them getting gunned down by the dozen as they are faceless nobodies who all sound the same
And even then, they deliberately animated them moving after getting shot, essentially saying they are not actually dead. I think they actually explicitly said they don't kill stormtroopers. Even in Bad Batch they fucking stunned everyone most of the time. It's so cringe. Fuck, I hope Maul Shadow Lord will not be so toothless and gay.

>>152793973
That supposed to be Talon’s ancestor

>>152794820
>when Ahsoka training Luke after Yoda passed

>>152796386
>That supposed to be Talon’s ancestor
lolno.

>>152796412
Shaak Ti, not Ahsoka

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>>152794117
Rebels had good highs and I liked the force mysticism.
But it's also responsible for Sabine.
Overall, it was pretty okay.

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>>152797031
I miss /swr/

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>>152796999
>But it's also responsible for Sabine.
I like Sabine.

>>152793973
Darth Talon was a fucking dogshit character and I am glad she got retconned. Fuck outta here.

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>>152794117
I was pretty annoyed that it replaced Clone Wars, and it being owned by Disney meant that it wasn't available on my TV channels so I had to endure pirate streams on my dogshit ADSL2 internet. Season one was fairly rough but they found their stride, and now I am VERY MUCH a fan of the series.

>>152797943
>I am glad she got retconned
The prerequisite for being retconned is that they had to be canon in the first place. By Talon's existence she can't ever have been Retconned. Not unless Devon decides to rename herself Talon when she becomes Maul's apprentice.

>>152798153
I'm counting Legends getting booted.

>>152798210
Legends didn't get booted, just rebranded. People seem to mistake the EU/Legends being retconned out of canon. But the truth of the matter is that they were never canon. Ergo, by nature of Talon's existence, she can't be retconned because she was never canon because the materials she came from were never canon.

You cannot retcon what was never canon.

>>152798235
Still hate the name, its an exonim.

>>152798235
You can retcon non canon material, if there's an internal canon, which there was.

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>>152794117
it's a bit shit innit?
>>152793973
I'm forever pissed they're bringing back Talon just to ruin her. One of these days I'm going to storytime Legacy just to show all the mousefuckers what they're missing

>>152798293
>Still hate the name, its an exonim.
That's... okay?
>>152798296
That doesn't really matter if it's outside of the actual canon. Especially regarding Legends, which was famously inconsistent with itself because every writer/develper did whatever they wanted and did no due diligence to research other people's works to see if it had been done or were contradicting anything. Maybe some very few tried to but that got drowned out by the vast many who didn't. But at the end of the day it doesn't matter because that shit was never part of Star Wars outside of legal technicallity because when it was being made everything that got published automatically became George's property.

>>152798293
>exonim
You mean like "Maul"?

>>152798355
Wasnt there one?

>>152799129
A re-storytime, as a treat

>>152798409
>famously inconsitent
That's not really true, there was literally an entire group of people dedicated to continuity. The initital two works were contradictory, absolutely, but afterwards not really? Like not to that extent. The worst thing was the later attempt at saying marvel was also part of it, when it was never designed to be. And there's some absolutely impressive myth weaving by EU authors like luceno or stover.

And ofc there's bad stories/retcons, but not that many.

>>152798409
The exonim thing is in relation to the fact it wasnt called "legends" while it was running, its a name made by people disconnected from it, its an external name not assigned by itself. And it groups stuff that was objectively not part of it like infinities.

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>>152796426
Yes.
>>152796623
I know.

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Making them brother and sister is still one of the craziest retcons in Star Wars.

>>152798355
Relax, it’s Devon Izara

>>152800776
GRRM must have write that for Game of Thrones

dave filoni must pay for clone wars season 7

>>152801606
Literally the best star wars content since rotj

>>152801603
This is canon model.

>>152801652
it's ass, 4 episodes of it are objective dogshit and the writing is abysmal at times

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Did we ever get an explanation on how other characters are able to communicate with droid like R2? Is it like morse code?

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>>152800785
Fucking Karen Traviss would be better than anything post-disney
Not Troy Denning though, that shit's the only thing that manages to be worse

>>152802141
Maybe, but that doesnt speak to her quality.

Idk, troy denning's issue is pre-existing characterization, if you ignore the other stuff, on just its own merits, denning ist that bad a writer, and his idea for the sequels was better than what they did.

>>152802015
Droids like R2 communicate using the droid language, Binary. People can learn how to understand it, like with any other language.

>>152800776
Note that they only kissed once in ESB and it was explicitly to piss off Han, the rest of the movie shows that Leia and Han love each other
Luke and Leia wasn't ever going to happen even before the reveal

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>>152802500
Makes sense

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>>152794117
Tua should've been the defector character.

>>152795466
>filename
Interesting...

>>152795499
I said left. The "screenshot" of the Maul show is fake

>>152803415
Oops

>>152796999
Cute art

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>>152793973
Will Filoni have her play her in live-action?

>>152804814
Probably

>>152805926
Artist?

>>152799142
>That's not really true
Yes it is. I was there. Every single discussion about Star Wars back then degenerated into headcanon arguments because everyone had to perform mental gymnastics in order to get some semblance of order and continuity out of those materials. It always happened. It never didn't happen. It's why these last 12 years have been the best time to be a Star Wars fan for me. What we got now, while fluctuates in quality, is nowhere near as inconsistent in continuity as the EU/Legends was.
>there was literally an entire group of people dedicated to continuity
No, there was just Leeland Chee, the keeper of the holochron. And he's admitted that after a while he stopped even trying to keep track of that shit and would just get stoned out of his mind every day to spare him further stress. The debacle of the EU lacking continuity is why the Lucasfilm Story Group was created. To avoid the massive clusterfuck the EU was. Literally the only good thing Kennedy implimented during her tenure as Lucasfilm's CEO.

>>152799272
>The exonim thing is in relation to the fact it wasnt called "legends" while it was running
Yeah, we know. It was rebranded and discontinued all in one action (not counting TOR, which is the only EU/Legends title still ongoing).
>its a name made by people disconnected from it, its an external name not assigned by itself. And it groups stuff that was objectively not part of it like infinities.
So what? The EU was always shit that wasn't made by George Lucas. And now, after selling the company, Legends is anything that isn't the original 6 films, TCW, and anything that has since been produced or commissioned by Lucasfilm under Lucasfilm's direct oversight. Or, put alternatively, EU/Legends is anything that is not officially recognized as being part of the Star Wars universe's timeline of events.

>>152802141
>Karen Traviss
Didn’t she throw a tantrum over Lucas team don’t like anti-Jedism propaganda?

>>152807184
>Didn’t she throw a tantrum over Lucas team don’t like anti-Jedism propaganda?
No, she threw a tantrum because when George was doing the Mandalore arcs in TCW they weren't adapting anything from what she wrote because she thought she was THE authority on Mandalorians.

>>152802141
>Fucking Karen Traviss would be better than anything post-disney
Yeah, no. I'd rather take Disney shitting on Luke 100 times over than tolerate anything from Traviss ever again.

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>>152806996
Yeah, and that is a bias of being there lol. Discussions at a present time are notably not a great way of judging things, otherwise the prequels are giga-cancer, and i disagree with that asessment too. So its a convincing argument when its just arguing from that point. And eh, it defintely isnt consistent at all, when all the issues with the audiovisual media overwriting stuff still pops up (filoni and even gilroy), and the constant retcons. Common knowldge stuff tends to be false and self propagated by people who hold that view and dominate spaces its absolutely full of that in comic spaces.

Not talking about leland (but yes, its absolutely clear he stopped caring at a certain point), the delrey editor lucy always did an effort in keeping continuity, once she left yeah it took a hit, its why i said at a certain point (2003-4). pena and hidalgo were pretty bad at theirjobs/motivated by wanting to bring the marvel/pre-heir stuff over basic cohesion (and by 2008 it fell with the triple treath of tfu/tcw/tor). And the story group is absolutely useless becuase they have no power over the stuff that fucked with the EU the most so its all repeated, but without any of the higlights the EU actually had, so, eh.

Ah didnt know if it was clear, its the internet. And there was one marvel comic but yes.

So's the current canon as far as not being made by lucas. And it was still a creative endeavor made by people, im not going to use the name slapped on by people with no relation to it. I dont like it as a term, and its almost always used by people who have never read anything from it, and your argument isnt going to convince me of anything. Ill keep calling it the EU and the NEU.

Also this is all coming becuase someone was upset over a character they liked getting messed with, its a comics and cartoons baord, pretty universal experiences for that wherein this type of reaction to that is always odd.
>>152807462
I abhor traviss, but eh, cant agree.

>>152802141
Yes

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Maladi>>>Talon

>>152807989
It's deliah for me

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>>152808064
Forgot the image

>>152806996
Ill take inconsitent but good at times over consistently boring.

>>152808092
Its not even consistent.

>>152808071
She's cool, yes

>>152805926
Love mandos

>>152802703
Why do they say roger?

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>>152794654
I know its not the intent, but reminded me of this fanart i saw, and makes me think that's the biggest issue with filoni's thrawn, he has no watson. He needs someone to explain his plans so we can see it makes sense. But because filoni doesnt follow logical cause and effect he cant. And lacking that character makes the live action stuff not land

>>152799565
Bruce timm drew star wars?

>>152808118
Its quite self evident.

>>152808119
Dude, that's boring as shit and anti-Star Wars.

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>>152808124
Not officially, but he did fanart. Drew ot stuff , padme and mara jade.

Paul dini got his start doing star wars.

>>152808139
Star wars is built as classical narrative, i wouldnt say its anti-star wars at all. And i think that's the biggest difference between filoni's thrawn and the original work one. That and ofc writer competency (filoni ISNT a writer).

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>>152808139
>good writing is anti star wars
A shame we got here

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>>152808157
Boring thing is nonsense when there's so much political shit that is "boring" too. Almost as if the films realize you have to do stuff beyond explosions.

>>152808170
Different things bore different people, but i dont think it holds as an actual critique of anything. Its why so many prequel reviews are quite dumb.

>>152808149
>Star wars is built as classical narrative
Of Good vs Evil. Sword and sorcery in space. Action adventure.
>>152808157
I want my Star Wars to be Star Wars. Not Star Trek.

>>152795296
The Endor stuff was the best part of Forces of Destiny.

>>152807960
>And eh, it defintely isnt consistent at all, when all the issues with the audiovisual media overwriting stuff still pops up (filoni and even gilroy), and the constant retcons
What we got now is FAR more consistent. And what retcons there are basically amount to just cosmetic changes and don't actually affect certain stories at all.
>And the story group is absolutely useless becuase they have no power over the stuff that fucked with the EU the most so its all repeated, but without any of the higlights the EU actually had, so, eh.
The LSG only got fucked over by JJ Abrams because he had Disney execs backing to go over their heads. Otherwise, the LSG has been at large, very effective at their function. Far more so than any attempt at maintaining continuity for the EU/Legends.

You can call me biased all you want. I am somewhat biased because the EU/Legends gave me nothing but a terrible time when it came to anything outside of George's work. It made me hate being a Star Wars fan. But saying that the EU/Legends is more consistent than current Star Wars materials is pants on head retarded. People who know it know it was inconsistent as fuck.

>>152808199
Who gives a shit?

>>152808192
Of basic A causes B narrative, and again, if that's the point you are opposed to all the other attempts then yeah? If that is so, then its consitent i guess, but calling it anti-star wars feels odd. Its absolutely always been got a little more than that.
>>152808199
They compeltley overwrote the entire start of a comic, come on. You can say you dont care, and that's fine, but lets not argue it is.

So the story group cant actually do anything for the biggest media, the only stuff actually allowed to tell stories now. So its pointless. They never say no to movie/series people on anything, so yeah idk, kinda pointless.

I mean, you're admitting to that, more than most people, but to me its odd to hold that extreme view especially given how if we're going by stuff at the time, the reaction to the prequels was that a hundred fold and you're self admitted someone who likes all of lucas's star wars, so the at the time argument i find odd. Personally i came into it later, it reignited my intrest in star wars after it was totally shot by TFA, as ive always been interested in star wars both as a setting and story, and seeing such a well flshed out world i always thought was quite compelling. Nah, id say it, it had its faults, but it was more consitent for longer, the constant spew of bigger media that overwrites stuff when that didnt happen untill 2008 doesnt help. I know it, ive read nearly everything (cant make me read han solo shit with a gun to my head tho), even stuff i consider bad, i wouldnt say its that inconsistent, its got its points, but not to that extent. The current canon has no excuses, and it has the same issues atp.

>>152808259
>They compeltley overwrote the entire start of a comic
Which one? If you say the Kanan comic then I know you're full of shit because that was the BIGGEST case of it just being a cosmetic change and didn't affect the overall story in the least.

>So the story group cant actually do anything for the biggest media, the only stuff actually allowed to tell stories now.
And yet their presence is evident in such things as the comics, Rebels, The Last Jedi, Rogue One, Solo, and just about all the live action tv shows. Yes, they make the occasional mistake. But the level of consistency is far more evident which is why it's so much more enjoyable than what came before (except for George's work, of course because his is the standard to which all else is compared).

>>152808258
>Who gives a shit?
Star Wars fans.

>>152808369
>George
>consistent
Holy kek. The prequels are super inconsistent with the ot.

>>152808369
I'm asking why you give a shit.

>>152808369
Kanan, it absolutely changes stuff, it removes the clone that saves him, come on, that's not cosmetic? Id also say that's pretty shitty when the writer of that WAS an actual writer on rebels. The ahsoka novel, k2so comic also come to mind.

Yes, where they didnt say no to actually lore breaking stuff in tlj with the lightspeed ram (its not on rian, but on them lmao he literally asked them). Or solo actively making the rebels maul progression needlessly convoluted (its not an inconsistency per say, but it is them not doing jack). or anything in tfa or andor conflicting with rebels. They just dont do anything. They have no power, Kathleen is very consitent in giving creators ample room (which is admirable as a studio head, less so when its in one setting), and now filoni is in charge, a guy who doesnt gaf (by witwer's own view, he doesnt care about canon because he views it all as fireside stories).
>>152808258
Consistency matters in a longstanding thing. Tho i wouldnt say its the ONLY measure of quality. I love plenty of clearly non-canon/non consitent stuff.

Tho im more so disagreeing with the premise the EU was that inconsitent,or less than the current stuff.

>>152794117
I didn't like that the animation style straight downgraded, or that it replaced TCW. I never fully got into it but it seemed like it got pretty silly towards the end with Kanan's change.

>>152808427
Look at what the OT establishes about the past
>The jedi knights were the protectors of peace in the old republic for a thousand generations (25 thousand years)
Nah it was 1 thousand years (did george forget what a generation is?)
>Obi wan was trained by yoda
Not really, he was trained by qui gon
>Obi wan took anakin after seeing how strong the force was in him. I thought i could instruct him just as well as yoda
Nah, qui gon did, obi wan never wanted the fucker.
>Leia remembers her mother being sad
She was dead after one word
>Obi wan once thought as you did
Actually he didnt at all, no attempt at bringing anakin back to the jedi
>Your uncle didnt hold your father's ideals, and didnt think he should get involved
He didnt know him untill after he became a jedi.
>Vader hunted down the jedi knights
true, but not the actual driver of that as anh implies
The other parts match enough. But you got huge plot holes like obi wan and r2 not reconizing each other.

>>152808427
I wouldnt say THAT, most of the big ones are fixable easily enough. Tho honestly, most of the EU "inconsistencies" are just due to film stuff. Outside of false starts, but if were calling that inconsistent (which is fair mind you but a different thing), then its even more present here.

>>152808185
>>152808191
So basically Ahsoka Tano is canon fused version of Mara Jade and Serra Keto?

>>152808472
>downgrade got downgraded.
It's like poetry

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>>152808549
There really isnt any mara jade in her?

Serra Keto with the lightsabers i guess. I think serra+starkiller is the more apt one (since the game was in development before).

>>152808560
>Vader/anakins apprentice
>never mentioned before
>holds ligtsaber backwards
>funded the rebellion
>uses two sabers (sorta)
Huh

>>152808578
>funded the rebellion
wut

>>152808600
Both do yeah. Starkiller does post mortem per TFU (always was a weird retcon), and Ahsoka is one of the first members of the rebellion as fulcrum in rebels.

>>152808613
Oh, you mean "founded"? I thought maybe Starkiller was giving out high-interest loans or something

>>152808624
Yes I meant that lol

>>152808624
Neimodian starkiller sounds funny.

>>152808637
>>152808634
Where did Starkiller get his cash from? He was in the very inner circle, maybe he made some insider moves on the stock market and made out big.

>>152808646
He cashed on the insurance from the star destroyer duh.

>>152800776
Kinda

>>152808526
>But you got huge plot holes like obi wan and r2 not reconizing each other.
That's not a huge plot hole. Well, R2 not doing so, maybe. But the only character there who understands what he's saying is 3PO, and R2 might've just stopped trying to explain crap like that to him after 19 years. So to anyone else but him, it's just incomprehensible beep-boops because the only person who learned to understand Astromech binary was Anakin. Obi-wan though? Perfectly justified. Nobody but Anakin and Luke actually treated the droids like friends/people. EVERYONE else just sees them as appliances because that's what droids are in Star Wars. Why would Obi-wan recognize Anakin's rolling toolbox from 19 years ago? It's like asking someone about a blender their friend had from that far back. It's literally the same shit. Most people wouldn't remember crap like that. So it's totally excusable that Obi-wan doesn't recognize him.

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And she was a good friend

>>152808692
Luke understands him too.. and saying the character forgot feels lazy.

And all the other ones stand

>>152808706
Where did the meme start? Here?

>>152808718
On 4chan, but on /tv/

>>152808708
>Luke understands him too
No, he doesn't. The only time we ever see Luke understand what he's actually saying 1 on 1 is in RoTJ when what R2 is saying is on display in the X-wing. Apart from that, Luke's as clueless as anyone else. Which makes sense because Luke isn't a greasemonkey like Anakin was. He didn't tinker with machines like Anakin did so he never had a reason to learn astromech binary.

>>152808767
Why is Anakin so much more cooler?

>>152808767
>he keeps talking about an obi Wan kenobi
3p0 didn't translate that

>>152808772
>Why is Anakin so much more cooler?
Because he was put in situations at a young age where he had to apply himself. He WAS someone's property for a time afterall. Also doesn't hurt that Anakin had infinite talent points to sink into whatever he did apply himself to.

>>152808797
>he keeps talking about an obi Wan kenobi
>3p0 didn't translate that
3PO told him R2 had been raving about Obi-wan. How else do you think Luke surmised-
>I wonder if he's talking about old-Ben Kenobi?
Luke knew R2 was after Obi-wan because 3PO DID interpret for him because Luke didn't understand beep-boops before then and after.

>>152808864
Did he mention it in the film? I remember him mentioning a master not obi. If he does then my bad. Still the others stand.

>>152808772
Luke got pretty cool pretty fast. He blew up the death star which is ultra impressive. And then ofc all the jedi stuff.
>>152808864
outside of the current canon, luke has the same potential as anakin (it never specificies), both per lucas and EU material. But that's specifically force potential, not potential at everything.

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>>152794654
I like World Between Worlds because it kinda touches on Lucas's idea of a more spiritual background to the whole SW that he wanted the sequels to eventually touch on, and its actual design is pretty neat.
Other than that I agree with you 100%. Rebels is hot dogshit

>>152808921
I could see that, if it wasnt just closed loop timetravel. Design isnt bad, filoni is a good visual guy

>>152808921
Like rebels but that part is so retarded.

>>152808706
>>152808751
>Obi Wan: "Since everyone was nudered that joined the order, she was the best thing that ever happened."

>Luke: "Wait, then how was I and Leia conceived?"

>Obi Wan: "That is the thing, Luke, you weren't. At least not directly. Since Ahsoka Tano is a Togruta, she is hermaphroditic, meaning she also had meat saber of her own, and because she never completed her training to become a knight, she never had her meat saber sliced off along with a braid on her head."

>Luke: "What?"

>Obi Wan: "Luke. We took your father's genes and inserted them into Ahsoka Tano's balls, allowing her to create sperm with your father's DNA. That is how you were conceived. She is your surrogate father, Luke."

Luke turns to Ahsoka Tano

>Luke: "Are you my father too?"

>Ahsoka Tano: Nods "I had some great memorable times with your mother." Winks

>>152808560
>>152800776
>Potential auntie to Luke’s wife
Nice.

>>152809026
I LOVE closed loop time travel, but let's not pretend that's what WBW was. It was a device for saving Ahsoka (multiple times) and "REMEMBER THING?! I CLAPPED BECAUSE I RECOGNIZE THING!!"

>>152809174
Well its closed loop time travel to justify bringing back a character back, i wouldnt even say its the clap thing, just filoni not taking the single best ending to his oc that would have been great.

Tho also i kinda hate closed loop time travel ngl. Unrelated to this, many cool stories use it.

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>>152809293
I like closed loop time travel because it's the only kind that could feasibly exist without parallel universe shit getting involved.
String theory can suck my nuts

>>152809375
I prefer alternate universe time travel, i think its the one that makes the most sense to me, but i totally understand the preference for closed loop,.