RT really abandoned the "based on characters from myth, legend, folklore and fairy tales" gimmick for RWBY, didn't they? I mean, I can let drawing inspiration from content like The Wizard of Oz, Peter Pan and Alice in Wonderland slide, but you have characters based on:>Joan of Arc>Coco Chanel>Dr. Watson>A Dr. Seuss character>Bruce Willis>Fucking Nyan CatThere's probably some more I missed, too.
>>152801126>Abandoned>Jaune was there from the beginning
>>152801148Fair, I should've said something more like "abandoned... right away for RWBY" or "really failed to commit to it". My apologies for unintentionally implying that it was ever a consistent rule.
Which category does basing a character on Aslan fall under? Is it adjacent enough to work with the idea or too much of a deviation from it? Or is it a grey area?
>>152801126I suppose they're going for the FGO approach instead of the SMT approach when it comes to picking which character from history to choose.
>>152801886Mind elaborating?
>>152801126Perhaps it was a bit limiting on what they wanted to do at the timeHowever I feel like they've leaned into fairytales or at least older cartoons and stories in the latter seasons. Especially with volume 9.
>>152801722The character barely appears in the show so it's kind of pointless to discuss this. But it's olden days fiction so it might as well be treated the same way as the Wizard of Oz
>>152801126Wait, you're telling me RWBY is full of half baked ideas?
>>152802585>Perhaps it was a bit limiting on what they wanted to do at the timeNot even. There are tons of fairy tale characters they didn't use.
>>152801126For some reason I saw her more of a monkey like Sun-sun.
The show's so fucking dead, it's over.
>>152802441In fate grand order they basically choose any historical figure regardless of myth/legend status, while in shin megami tensei, most of the demons are based off folklore or urban legend.
>>152804329Ah, I see now. Thanks for the explanation.
Seriously, how did RWBY go so wrong?
>>152806419Monty's entire premise was just the visual style. When he died suddenly and Miles and Dragonface couldn't finish any of his half-baked ideas.
>>152806419Writers wanted to make an Avatar clone whereas Monty wanted a rule of cool show.
>>152806688I bet I could better bridge Monty's fights than those guys could.
>>152806419RWBY went wrong when Miles and Kerry deviated from the creative influences that defined Monty's work on RWBY (Hong Kong action movies, Squeenix JRPGs, psychological anime from the 90s, Yuri manga, sci-fi anime, fighting games, Wuxia fiction, fantasy manga like Soul Eater and Bleach and Naruto, alchemy, fairy tales, and the Wizard of Oz, etc etc) and broke away from the central themes and repeated motifs of V1-3:>humanity is divided and at risk of going to war again>broken families and the failure of the Patriarch>the plot revolving around the Maidens, not the Relics>the Dust crisis>the story is the Wizard of Oz in reverse and forward order at the same time>the implications of Penny's existence/Salem's original agenda + Oz's reincarnations and relationship to the Maidens>Ruby and the Silver Eyes being juxtaposed with the broken Moon>alchemy being a constant theme
>>152807850V4 and beyond was probably meant to follow a formula like this:>Ruby and friends travel across each kingdom for 3-4 volumes, searching for the Maiden before Salem and her allies can>the Dust crisis worsens: Atlas goes to war with Vacuo and Mistral while Vale places a heavy strain on Mistral due to Vale being Dustless>the White Fang and organized criminal organizations capitalize on the mass panic and terror to expand and take territory for themselves (which the authorities take advantage of to establish more control over the population)>the Grimm begin to close in on humanity while growing smarter
>>152801126I think this is the big problem with basing characters on so many books and literature like this, even Alan Moore eventually let LOEG have shit like fuckin Blackadder and Dr. Who (though they're background characters). Personally it's less agregious but it still tracks. There's only so many fairy tales.
>>152807850They're the typical hacks obsessed with realism and wanting to make the next Avatar/GoT rather than make a fun action series.
>>152806419They got too serious and lost the fun flashiness of the earlier volumes.They then got too political and edgy and ruined the show completely in Volumes 7 and 8. It wasn't just everyone being retarded in Volume 7, it was them wanting to be like The Last Jedi in Volume 8 and make everything cynical and awful. Not to mention they were just generally incompetent writers so nothing worked properly or was set up well enough. >>152808749Pretty much. They tried to be serious writers, but that damaged the show because of how it already was, and then they just failed at writing seriously afterwards.
>>152804329Along with personifications of pretty much anything (places, concepts, etc), amalgamations of different figures and characters, alt-history versions (separate from their already fictionalized version of history) and OCs from other parts of the extended multiverse. So long as it's not "a real person that is currently alive" it's fair game, and free to be made into a woman.
>>152808783The problem with M&K trying to write RWBY to be more dramatic wasn't that they couldn't do it, it's that:>Miles and Kerry are naturally pulpy horror/comedy writers who can add some strong pathos every now and then>M&K don't really like psychological-fantasy-adventure all too much whereas Monty loved it. Kerry was a much bigger weeb than Miles but he was never a diehard as much as Monty was>RWBY was never really M&K's passion>Miles kept letting his personal drama with Arryn and her shitty boyfriend bleed into the story and was seething with everyone else at RT over Trump or Grey sucking money away to Gen LockThe proof of this is RWBY Chibi/Miles' work on RvB and Camp Camp/the Farms arc in RWBY.
>>152808831SMT has Jewish Tengu because Kaneko got really big into the theory that Japan was a missing lost tribe of Israel. It's a whole rabbit hole that led me to find a guys travel blog who went to Japan to piss on Masakado's grave because he was a giga autist.
>>152808852And FGO has the loli magic clone of the transgender ghost of Leonardo DaVinci, because the series is made BY a giga autist.
>>152808907I think it was based on the theory that the Mona Lisa was a Self-Portrait of Leonardo.
>>152806419I remember a point where they stated their goal is to have generic characters that would reveal more depth to them.They did worse than senran kagura.But alot of things happened, they lost their creative lead due to a minor procedure gone wrong, their initial lead writer had severe adhd, one of their heads repurposed their budget to a shitty mecha "anime", then the writing team got replaced with the untalented Hollywood writer room whores.
>>152802602I guess the same would apply to Bagheera, then. Kali is a Hindu goddess, so she's unambiguously fitting.
>>152808783to this day im still pissed that they killed off watts. it was cool to see cinder return to being a manipulative bitch like she was in v3, but the problem is is that the volumes between then and 8 had her prancing around like an idiot. it seemed to sudden to be properly cool, and watts got axed in the process
