I miss when they would use real voice actors.
>>152920679>I miss when they would use real voice actors.When?
>>152920693Maybe 30 years ago?
>>152920679I don't understand why a franchise that already has global mass market appeal relied on celebrities in the first place. its clear it doesn't need star power (pun not intended) to sell fucking mario, this is basically just a vanity project for everyone involved to say they got to voice the most recognizable characters on the planet for barely an hour
>>152920739I’m with you I honestly don’t understand why they would hire celebrity voice actors. People were going to see this movie regardless.
Do kids even fucking care about celebrities? And what about the international market which watches movies dubbed? Only amerigolems would care enough about their idols that the only reason for them to go watch the motherfucking Super Mario movie was because a celebrity worked on it. You really have to be such a subhuman goycattle piece of shit to care about Anya Taylor-Who or Chris Pratt or Jew Black more than the characters they're supposed to play. Yes I'm still fucking mad at Chris Pratt voicing Mario.
>>152920785Cope
>>152920739On that note, I wonder if the movie would have been as successful if it had been made in Japan. Mario is popular enough that he could capture the public’s attention without the help of an American studio.
>>152920785They do it because its been proven to work in the past. If they don't o it and the film doesn't do as well as they had hoped, it'll be blamed on not using celebrities. This is the same mentality that killed traditionally animated films.
>>152920813Seething americattle
>>152920679>>152920758Maybe we shouldn't keep voice acting and actors separate anymore
>>152920679literal who
>>152920739True. But normies who only know Mario at a surface level would soijak at the celebrity guest star listings>DUDE SETH ROGAN? FROM THIS IS THE END? OHEMGEEEEE!!!
>>152920884Maybe you're stupid.
>>152920739>vanity projectThat and money laundering yeahIt’s not just the actors, story sucks in these movies because execs want to see their ideas included with the creatives more than they want to do their own jobs
>>152920739>I don't understand whyCocaine. Cocaine is the reason for every illogical decision big corporations make. On your first day as a business executive, you get a bucket of cocaine, and your job is to do whatever you think will keep the bucket full. If you need ideas, snort some cocaine. The entire business world is an engine that runs on coke and insanity.
>>152920870Based retard.
>>152920999>OH MY GUNPOWDERINO IS THAT A HECKING CELEBRITY!?!?!? OOHH SAAAY CAN YOUUUU SHAAAAAART LET'S GO TO THE KIKEMA GOYS I MEAN GUYS!!!!
>>152921026Meds, take them.
Maybe they shouldn't have made Peach a girlboss then, since she never was in the games.
>>152921038No thank you I'm not circumcised
>>152920693Animation voice acting has three eras:>Pre-Aladdin: Dedicated voice actors and stage actors>Post-Aladdin, Pre-Shrek: One or two big names per movie>Post-Shrek: All celebs all the time
>>152920679Voice acting is unironically very hard work since you can only "act" with your voice. Especially with the cadence (yelling) most western animation requires.>inb4 Sean SchemmelI know, but it still gets my point across
>>152921026rent free
>>152920679Celebrity voice actors have been in 3D movies since Pixar started. Even before that, Disney had been using them in their 2D animated movies.
>>152921107>make things worse for other countries>"WTF stop making things worse">"Hurr rent free xD"Again, just to stay on topic: WHO. THE FUCK. CARES. ABOUT. CELEBRITIES. I don't want celebrities in animation and I believe they're a detriment to the medium and reinforce the idea animation is a dumbed down product for stupid kids, which might be true if you're american, but the rest of the world has to suffer from this buffoonery. ANIMATION ISN'T GOYSLOP FOR THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, TAKE CELEBRITIES OUT OF THE INDUSTRY!
>>152920679Meanwhile, this woman has a career due to her yelling.
https://youtu.be/QqYqbgTmuPkI would rather have youtube comic dubbers do the voices than celebrities desu
>>152921180The only reason America is making things worse for you is because you don't stop consooming their products. Maybe you should make more of your own films instead of relying on a country that you hate to feed you slop.
>>152921284America used to be good and deliver non slop entertainment less than 20 years ago. I don't know why expressing frustration over a country that delivered kino yet decided to culturally anihilate itself upsets you. I fucking WISH America was as good at making films as it once was, that's why it's so painful to watch it sabotage itself like this.
>>152920679I don't know much about this celebrity, but she already looks like she throws up a lot.
>>152920693That one TMNT Movie
>>152921333God, watching America shit itself lately has been like watching a slow motion car crash. You know you should look away, but you fucking CAN'T.
>>152920739Cause Americans are retarded. Despite everything, the boomers in charge will never respect animation or video games. You can have animated movies make all the money in the world, make 25× the budget, and become cultural touchstones, but your average boomer exec will always see it as some gimmicky kid thing.So instead of just letting a massive property that’s sure to make money ride, they’ve gotta do some stupid gimmick like getting some celebrity to voice act. Then they’ll pat themselves on the back because they “saved the silly little kids’ movie” since they hired the guy from Parks and Rec and Jack Black.Anyway, here are two anime movies that made over $100 million last year on comparatively small budgets, using voice actors, to demonstrate the contrast between modern audiences’ actual tastes and what studios think. This is not meant as an East vs. West thing.
>>152921592It's not an American thing, it's a producer thing. Producers have always been fucking retards who are completely disconnected from what people like. All movies that succeed do so in spite of executive interference, not because of it.
>>152921592Hehe, no CSM movie is ever gonna do that well ever again now, thats for damn sure.
>>152920679Why do they have Peach yelling so much?
>>152920840at least CGI is evolving instead of chasing reality
>>152921617>It's not an American thing, it's a producer thing.Not that anon, but America seems to be where all the producers are. SEEMS to be. I know it's not a *fact*, but when you even hear the word, the Hollywood sign is the first thought that pops in my head.
>>152921617Hey now, some producers are good. Like the actual ones, not the middle men who contribute nothing, they fucking suck.>>152921632It's gonna take like a decade to get to Part 2, Part 1's ending is still going to have steam.
>>152920679Can anyone tell me why some people have their eyes like Sid from Ice Age
>>152921592funny you post CSM when the first season was controversial due to questionable VA choices
>>152921592>the demon slayer movie only had a 20m budgethow?the animation in that thing was absurd
>>152920679I threw up when I saw that peach too
>>152921592Some of it is also not trusting a property and thinking recognizable names will prop it up. See Disney's Ghibli stuff. Disney absolutely knows better, but they still used a bunch of actors not known for their voice work (though they at least also got some UK people, and training there includes voice).>>152922332Slave labor. Japan's local animator crisis is well known at this point.
>>152921592I can't wait until Japan finally collapses just so I can see the weebs kill themselves
>>152921592Yes, in their home market of Japan and most of the budget was spent on marketing and distribution, they bombed outside of Japan.>>152921093That has never been the case (outsider of the very early days of sound before these guide lines were put in place), for features it has always been all celebs all the time, it's why Mel Blanc was hired to do voices as he was a regular on The Jack Benny Show back in it's radio days, it wasn't until TV became a thing when dedicated voice actors became a thing and that was STRICTLY done for cost.Plus celebs are the only way you can get a decent budget and release it in theaters, otherwise it's straight to streaming and you're stuck with the cheapest sweet shop in South Korea/The Philippines/India you can find.>>152921180Outside of America it's much, MUCH worse.>>152922332Marketing and distribution.
>>152920679Tom Kenny didn't start his acting career doing voiceovers, you know.
>>152921695Well that sounds like a personal hangup you'll have to deal with on your own. You'd have to be some kind of ultra retard to think that greedy, meddling producers are exclusively an American thing.
>>152922633None of Tom Kenny's pre-Spongebob roles made him a celebrity anywhere close to the kind who do voice acting for animated movies these days.
>>152920739It's executive brain. Producers are only going to put up money for absolute sure things, the more that you can stack the deck with positives, the more likely some fuck stick will put up money to make the thing.
>>152922542>>152922598even with japan slave labor stuff, it's much, much lower than a lot of other movies while having way above average animation.you don't get this kind of background by grinding amateurs fingers to the bone
>>152922682Thats the sub par animation we were talking about, all ufotable did was put in flashy effects over sub par animation to hide how shoddy it is.Meanwhile, heres actual effort out of Japan.https://x.com/shiranuhi_movie/status/2029331216365977987
>>152921592Reze Arc is the best romance movie I've seen in a long time, kudos to the japs
>>152922682nice CGI background
>>152920714Uhhh nah it's always been like this. Big films that have original voice actors is anime usually or children films like Rugrats.
>>152920739Cuz mass fan appeal still doesn't sell tickets. And out side the video games there hasnt been multiple dubs and no one cared.
>>152922598Yes, the biggest slices of the pie were from Japan, but neither movie made more than half of its box office there.https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr2843366149/https://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt32820897/?ref_=bo_tt_tabIgnore the term “domestic” at the top, Box Office Mojo refers to the U.S. as the domestic market for foreign films.Chainsaw Man made $94 million from non-Japanese markets (23.5 times its budget), and Demon Slayer made around $487 million from non-Japanese markets (about 24.37 times its budget). In what fucking universe is that "bomb(ing) outside of Japan.">>152922542Yeah but we use slave labor for are animation too, it still looks worse most of the time.
What about celebrities who turn to voice acting after their real careers slow down?Mark Hamill, Clancy Brown, and Keith David are respected
>>152923534Well they're actually voice actors who actually try. Like those three actual treat voice acting as a form of acting and not just an easy pay check or something they can put minimum effort into.Patrick Stewart for example has done voice work before but no one complains about it because he gives it his all.
>>152923484Demon Slayer was for a older clip show film and that was over half a billion, the 4th one made only 70 million.Chainsaw Man made $94 million in Japan alone as domestic market in this case mean the Japanese market as these are Japanese films.>>152923534Also Robin Williams and Gilbert Gottfried.And Mike Myers and Eddie Murphy.And Tom Hanks and Tim Allen.
>>152924652>Demon Slayer was for a older clip show film and that was over half a billion, the 4th one made only 70 million.Yeah in this one made 741 million which is still a massive profit, for a film that cost 20 to make.>Chainsaw Man made $94 million in Japan alone as domestic market in this case mean the Japanese market as these are Japanese films.That is the exact opposite of what I said. Japan alone made 68 million, 94 is from the other countries.
>>152920679Ben Schwartz is a voice actor, that's something.He said he recorded some audio for test footage because he's friends with JJ Abrams and the studio executives kept saying to themselves "What celebrity can we get who sounds like this guy in the test footage?" and eventually they just decided to hire him.Source: Some podcast I listened to. Trust me, I have a good memory for this stuff.
>>152924834Ben Schwartz voices Sonic, in case you didn't know that.
>>152920785>And what about the international market which watches movies dubbed?In some countries they use their own celebrities for their dubs too.
>>152924794>Demon SlayerThat was the first one, which cracked a billion.>Chainsaw ManNot the case.
>post yfw you'll live to hear your favorite VAs from your childhood cartoons kick the bucket from old age.
>>152925236https://www.boxofficemojo.com/releasegroup/gr2843366149/
>>152920739Celeb voices only made sense when hiring charismatic comedians for original IPs. Madagascar and Shrek would be fundamentally different movies without Chris Rock. In the Mario movie Chris Pratt and Charlie Day were interchangeable. The only worthwhile casting was Jack Black.
>>152921592How the fuck did they make that movie with only the budget of 2 family guy episodes
>>152920679Voice Actors either get cucked by AI or Actors now, rough!
>>152920950More than money laundering, i wouldn't be surprised if miyamoto just wanted to make a mario movie just to show he can and leave its name in other mediums besides vidia, seems more like a pet project if anything, the celebrity VA's is totally illumination idea, i bet all my chips on that.
>>152925828Not so much Miyamoto, just NIntendo in general. They wanna be a media empire now with movies and the theme park.
>>152921766Fetal alcohol syndrome aka their mom drank while pregnant with them.
>>152925549Says nothing of the sort.>>152925589Everyone wanted Charles Martinet to voice his characters in that movie.
>>152924859And one of the triplets in Ducktales (either Dewey or Louie, I think).
>>152922332They didn't overpaid for celebrities and their overrated voice.
>>152926232In fact the budget was almost nothing but marketing and distribution, only 2 million dollars out of it's 20 million dollar budget was spent on the actual film itself.
>>152920679She wouldn't have vomited from "yelling continuously the whole time" as Peach if they didn't fuck up the character. Get a woman with a naturally soft voice and Peach should've been the easiest voice to do in the entire fucking movie.
>>152922598Mel Blanc is a talented voice impressionist, they didn't hire him for Looney Tunes just because he did work on famous radio shows. The equivalent would have been hiring Jack Benny himself when he wasn't a voice actor (which they did when LT parodied the Jack Benny Show via The Mouse That Jack Built)Most voice actors from the Golden Age are people you would not know (because a lot of them were also animators), like Jack Mercer as the voice of Popeye or Pinto Colvig as Goofy.
>>152925493This happened with lots of Spaniard VAs, hell even modern shows and movies are stopped using actors from my childhood because they are either dead or retired. That's why I watch everything in original audio now
>>152920679She’s fucking anorexic and probably has fas, of course she can’t handle it
>>152920679I didn't see the movie. Were all of Peach's lines really yelling?
>>152927332New York/Miami wasn't operating on California logic at that time when it came to Jack Mercer, in fact William Castello was the original cartoon voice for Popeye and he had ties to radio before he became too self centered to continue the roll hence why Jack Mercer took over the roll until his death (baring some WWII draft doing which caused Mae Questel to replace him until Jack came back from the Army).In fact Mel Blanc had to beg Warner Bros just to have him do voices and only got the gig because Treg Brown took over the sound department.Pinto Colvig (as well as Clarence Nash, Mae Questel for the east cost) came in so early that these rules were not set in stone yet.
>>152927497They had to make sure she was as girlboss as possible.
>>152927497
>>152927497Certainly not.
>>152924834Ben and Colleen are the only two voice actors in the Sonic movies cast, but ironically enough they knock it out of the park with their castings. Eldris and Keanu are genuinely good as Knuckles and Shadow respectively.
>>152928558She has been like this since Super Mario RPG in 1996, this was not America's doing.
>>152928618>>She has been like this since Super Mario RPG in 1996Pffffff hahaha no. She has a handful of angry moments in that, but she's pretty sweet and cheerful otherwise. It's very rare Peach acts aggressive in SMRPG which is more or less consistent with how she's portrayed in later games (Smash Bros makes her a bit more ditzy but almost every Mario character in that is OOC).
>>152928638Even lines like in that picture you can imagine her saying in her typical cute voice, more like a cute pouty tone rather than the regal asshole she was in the movie due to the deeper/starker voice and inflections, let alone facial expressions.
>>152928638Yes, please touch grass.
>>152928711I already went outside today to get groceries. I'm making a veggie omelette for dinner, it's got tomatoes, onion and spring onion in it.
How do you vomit from screaming?
The Mario movie sucked but not so terribly that it could wrap back around to good and the music selection is literally the trailer meme that gets posted from time to time
>>152920679This movie is highly satanic because it has dragons aka DEMONS
>>152928804Why are you looking Satan when you should be looking for Jesus?
>>152928804According to christian interpretation, dragons aren't demonic, but rather the wildest of gods creatures, and the hardest for man to tame and lord over, with only Behemoth and Leviathan seemingly being greater.Satan is often associated with and depicted as a dragon for the opposite reason Jesus is often accosted with and depicted as a lamb.And just like how lambs aren't divine, dragons aren't demonic.
>>152920785Modern content creators have taken their place, but honestly a rose by any other name would be just as miserable to pick by hand.
>>152921592UhhhhhhhhhI can smell burrito&curry&shitsack from your post
>>152928775Not the case. you just hated it because it wasn't Japanese and produced by Madhouse.
>>152928804Dragons aren't demons! Stop messing with my head!
>>152928962what a strange ad hominem
>>152920739Hollywood just never learns. A Super Mario movie sells itself!
>>152920739It's the Illumination playbook-Crap out a hyper-generic script in one draft and don't bother making it coherent, just shove in these forced beats-Stunt cast the entire movie-spend more parading the cast around to advertise than on the movie
>>152928775>The Mario movie sucked but not so terribly that it could wrap back around to good and the music selection is literally the trailer meme that gets posted from time to timeWhich is exactly why the 1993 Mario movie was way the fuck better, plus it had great music too.If you think otherwise, watch the newly released Lasagna cut, it restores several deleted scenes and makes the movie way, way, way more consistent.
>>152929365Not with Mario.>>152929498Not the case.
>>152928558It's always brought up for stuff like this, but if Peach can do all this on her own, genuinely what does she need Mario's help for? She could probably manhandle Bowser by herself. I never watched this movie, but did they show her as a girlboss then conveniently turn her into a damsel in distress at the end to justify having Mario be there?
>>152931278>She could probably manhandle Bowser by herself.What do you think she does all night while "captured?"
>>152920967Any specific data on the extent of cocaine use in entertainment industry? Sounds plausible but I don't want to get psyopped.
>>152930556The movie didn't have a script it was made from studio notes.
People are still white knighting for movie Peach? Fuck off, She's a cold fish and is nothing like game Peach.
>>152930556Even Mario, yes. It's just the Mario brand/characters alone managed to carry an otherwise bland kids' movie.
>>152931907Like, it's the same shit with those Paramount Sonic films.
>>152920679is this a joke about how she already looks bulimic
>>152931697The overwhelming gynocentrism in this world applies to fictional women too
>>152920679I miss when Princess Peach was cute
>>152920679Sounds like she hasn't hasn't been married long enough to get used to the constant yelling. lol
>>152923534Gary Oldman always does a fantastic job.
>>152928668No, because when the game came out originally, there was no game voice. Only the cartoon existed.
>>152920679Most voice actors aren’t really all that good and for some reason the industry has refused to cycle through them so we have the same dozen people voicing every game, cartoon and anime. Frankly I like that we don’t hear them in major movie roles. Ffs if I have to hear Troy baker or Chris Sabat or Tara strong in one more role I’ll lose it.
>>152925236Shut the fuck up, Famicom.
>>152931673Yes it does, Mario isn't He-Man, Mario is Ren and Stimpy.>>152931907Not the case, Miyamoto made sure that the movie had just as much care and effort as a Carbuncle Cartoons episode of Ren and Stimpy during it's first 2 seasons.
>>152920679lol pathetic
>>152933361No, what I'm saying is that scripting wise, an annoyed or chastizing piece of dialogue like that could still be done with the gentle Peach voice. You can have a sweet voice properly read a line like that and keep it cute even if she's annoyed or a bit upset.
>>152933944>for some reason the industry has refused to cycle through them so we have the same dozen people voicing every game, cartoon and anime.This was very obvious when Chris Pratt was announced for both fucking Mario and Garfield around the same time.
>>152929364I wish to slap my sausage against those lips
>>152937556He's cheaper then Jim Cummings.
>>152933944What I'm most sad about is that we'll not get any more characters voiced by Tim Curry.
>>152920739Its because the current president of Nintendo is a dip shit business accountant from the Pokemon Company and Illumination is the safest most blandest garbage animation.
>>152921592People didn't watch that shit because it was some new great animation. They watched it cus it's movie versions of the weeb shit they've already been watching.
>>152922682thats a lot of AI background
>>152924337Did he give it his all when he played literal shit?
>>152920922It's why nintendo was so pleased to announce that CHRIS PRATT, WHO PLAYS STARLORD (yes, that CHRIS PRATT} would be in the Mario movie, starring CHRIS PRATT WHO PLAYS STARLORD DONT YOU KNOW as Mario, VOICED BY CHRIS PRATT
>>152938569No, it's because in Japan locally produced content has a nasty reputation (hence why this wasn't produced by Madhouse or Production IG) and Illumination was one of 2 studios in America that took contract work (the other one being Sony).That Mario movie isn't safe and bland garbage, it's just as meaningful as Stimpy's Invention and Svën Höek.Klaus is safe and bland garbage, Mario isn't as it was just as much as a risk as Fire Dogs , Black Hole and Space Madness.Seek help.
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>>152938637That was Illumination doing, if it was up to Nintendo Charles Martinet would've been playing Mario.
>>152938719That still had celebs in it.
>>152938720I thought he announced his retirement before the movie? Or was it after?
>>152938915After the movie.
>>152927382Sad!
>>152920714About 35 but yeah. Basically Robin Williams in Aladdin is what kick started celebrities having to be VAs in most major animated films (And Robin himself was afraid this would happen). Before that it was either regular VAs or minor TV actors that were associated with Disney with the occasional bigger actor that was known for their weird voice like Gilbert Godfried or Pat Buttram.Like nobody famous was in Little Mermaid. The Prince was fucking 90s Spiderman and Ariel's VA is only known for being Ariel (and as it turned out Eva in Metal Gear but that was a secret for years)
>>152940459>Eva in Metal GearWHATAlso that reminds me she came back for new Kingdom Hearts songs which isn't that weird but KH has the weirdest celebrity voice actors. Like Christopher Lee, Leonard Nimoy and Mark Hamill. And a bunch of disney tween star things.
>>152940468Yeah for years Eva was under a fake name that nobody could ever connect to anything else (which usual means it's someone using a fake name) and it was a mystery for years before they finally said "Ok yeah it was Jodi Benson and we had her use another name because we didn't want to risk upsetting Disney using one of their princess VAs in our war video game"
>>152940468Kingdom Hearts had celebs but it could never get the big A list actors in. Like they could get everyone from Aladdin except Robin Williams couldn't get Tom Hanks or Tim Allen. Apparently Johnny Depp wanted to do it but the suits wouldn't allow it because of his schedule and how much he'd be worth.James Woods was the only exception because he's always up for playing Hades, and found the idea of KH quite novel
>>152940459Disney was flat broke back in the late 80s so they couldn't afford any celebrities, you should be lucky that the canon film stood in the states (baring The Little Mermaid's bobble effects which were done in China due to budget cuts).
>>152921592I don't understand why you weebos are so proud of these two garbage movies. There are tons of anime movies that are good but no one sees, but the second this trash becomes popular, it becomes the flagship of anime? You're no different than westoids lifting trash like Mario.
>>152941547Nothing you said is true.
>>152921333Because it's fucking pathetic. You're fucking pathetic. Listen to yourself.>I can't stop consooming American shit because I wish it was good.Literal NPC behavior
>>152941580No, you 2 just grew up, thats it.GET A FUCKING JOB!!!!
>>152931278Watch the movie, retard.
>>152941566Keep telling yourself that
>>152941595Why didn't you grow up?
>>152920679All these female celebrities sound the fucking same. Peach, Rosalina, and Pauline all might as well have the exact same voice in these movies.
>>152933361>no gloves '80s Peach is such a SLUT!
>>152942866Sorry but they do this because they're cheaper then Nancy Cartwright, Tress MacNeille, Kath Soucie, E. G. Daily and Tara Strong.
>>152942866Pauline showed up? I don't recall
>>152920679>finding voice acting "taxing"I hate these people so fucking much
