Now that it's releasing on Blu-ray this week, let's have a retrospective threadDoes it still hold up?
>>152929516I like Michael Cera's portrayal of Scott.If he was played by an actual Chad, I feel like I'd dislike his character a lot more. In the movie and here, I wanna be his friend. I read the comics in his voice too
>>152929516It's clear BLOM wants to go a very different direction with the franchise. This was like the perfect chance to open the franchise and rescue the characters with powers aka the exes. Just like in E,, I expect the exes to dominate the stories from now on.
>>152929579I wonder if it bothers O'Malley that SP will forever be what he's known for and none of his other work will even compare in regards to popularity.I'd feel bad for him had he not scrapped worst world
>>152929516Glad they're putting this on physical mediaI know BLOM mentioned wanting it in the past but was unsure because of how Netflix does things
>>152929516Conceptually it’s actually not too bad although I would honestly rather have see the comics adaptation like Invincible did where they change stuff up.The show doesn’t really deliver on its premise of Ramona solving her own issues though, they just wanted to do a bunch of goofy shit with the Scott Pilgrim cast without thinking about the story
>great and cute artstyle>shit writing
>>152929516It's dog shit that's not even remotely related to Scott Pilgrim.O'Malley couldn't sell anything new and Netflix was stupid enough to give him control of their project despite him saying he despised Scott Pilgrim and had no interest in returning to it so he took a giant dump on them and just reskinned a story he wanted to tell.It's creatively bankrupt to its core, made by a hack who only accidentally had any success, and seemingly only appeals to vapid self-soothing zoomers.>>152929529>I like Michael Cera's portrayal of Scott.It ruined literally everything>If he was played by an actual Chad, I feel like I'd dislike his character a lot moreYOU'RE SUPPOSED TO
>>152930096Why would he despise Scott pilgrim it’s what made him famous?
>>152930115you answered your own question
>>152930096Brian doesn't hate SP. He just hates the direction it took. Instead of realizing Scott and Ramona are the worst people to admire, the fans got obsessed with them getting validation despite being horrible people. Brian accidentally appealed to the worst kind of people with his story. This is why the exes are completely redeemed now and taking over the narrative while Scott, Ramona, Kim, Stills, and Neil got stuck in time. Kinda like what happened in Dragon Ball where the Z fighters stay the same forever with just new transformations coming, while the rest of the universe develops.
>>152929516Video quality on the Blu-ray is goodGot mine a day early
>>152929516I love female melodrama so yes.
>>152929516>Does it still hold up?You mean Lucas' sex appeal? It sure does
>>152930120He hates being rich and famous?
>>152929516Not really.
>>152931847i want him so bad he is the only reason i care about this series
>>152932880Honestly? Based.
>>152932714He's eternally buttmad that a work he views as inferior is all people like and that they want it and not himHe also has a lot of baggage connected to it because he wrote it about an SO that has now left him
>>152930607>BLOM doesn't hate Scott pilgrim>He just hates the main characters and the storySo he hates Scott Pilgrim
>>152933455He doesn't hate the concept of the franchise. Namely, a retard who has a band, is super strong, and can battle super powered shit in a videogame version of Toronto. Maybe you could say he hates the original story for how complex it got. More because it empowered the wrong crowd who admire Scott as a poor wronged guy instead of an asshole.You can see how Brian envisions SP now in the EX comic he did. He just want SP to be a Goku-like hero. An idiot with a heart who likes to fight new shit. No more relationship drama.
>>152929516Why didnt they just adapt the comic? Why did they make an animated sequel to the comic before the comic got a proper animated adaptation? Its fucking stupid and made no sense. I rage quit the moment i realized i had been bait and switched just like i was with kevin smiths He-man cartoon, fuck netflix!
>>152929602He could make a Seconds movie at any point and he chooses not to
>>152932714Yes, O'Malley would have loved to have remained a somewhat anonymous author with a stable career. He wrote Scott Pilgrim in his late 20's about people he no longer communicates with, which is normal, that is life. He however failed to capture anything else after it, and Scott Pilgrim wasn't even his first story. That would be Lost at Sea. Seconds was criticized almost immediately for being The Girl who leapt through time, which honestly, isn't a fair comparison, but was a common one. Scott Pilgrim is his Evangelion. Anno openly hates Evangelion, but needs to pay the bills, and BLOM has burned through his movie royalties money. At its core, the 6 volumes of SP are a nice story, the film absolutely blows ass on so many levels it's not ever worth talking about, and this Netflix reimagining is obviously him trying to destroy the one story he likes, because he's bitter no one wanted to love Seconds.Had it not been for the video game, and Anamanaguchi, SP would be just another obscure 00's comic.>>152934120No one would watch it. Honestly, Lost at Sea would have a better chance of being a film and being watched, only because its more obscure.
>>152933832And that sucks. The entire reason Scott Pilgrim is more than just a shitty lionization of the people you're talking about was the fact that Scott was actually a chad asshole and came to realize that.If you see shitty people latching onto Scott and you whitewash him you're not getting rid of those shitty people. You're validating them by taking a wrecking ball to your own work.>>152933907What's to misunderstand in the movie? Everything about Scott being a delusional shithead lying to himself about being a good dude is gone.
>>152935553>>152930096Cera's casting and Wright misunderstanding the material fucked up that movie hard, but it's still incredible to me just HOW hard.In the book Scott has to reintegrate his memory and face up to the fact that he's a violent selfish cunt and bully and not the put-upon loser nerd he thinks he is. He has to recognize his mistakes and start giving a shit about how his actions impact other people.In the movie Scott has to learn to be selfish. His big power up that allows him to beat Gideon is "I'm doing this for me."What a fucking asshole.
>>152929516 It feels like a sequel that's embarrassed of the original. It's a response to criticism about the original that weren't even true. Nobody ever confused Scott for a good guy and Ramona is not a manic pixie dream girl. Take off's future version of Scott supposedly went through all the character develop of the original series but somehow has all the same character flaws as Scott from volume one.
>>152930096>despite him saying he despised Scott Pilgrim when did he say this do you have a link?
>>152929516No, I was pissed that it barely even had Scott Pilgrim in it.
>>152933907 This is goofy nobody misunderstanding Scott Pilgrim everybody knows he's an asshole who needs to grow up. I would argue most people don't misunderstand Fight Club either everybody knows that Tyler is an extremist and is taking it too far but he definitely has a point. Sometimes his message resonates a little too much with people. But anyone who is message doesn't resonate with is an NPC.
>>152935660>Nobody ever confused Scott for a good guy and Ramona is not a manic pixie dream girl.I want to move to whatever alternate universe you came from
>>152934701>No one would watch it Does that really matter? Scott Pilgrim was a flop.
>>152935743 Who actually idolizes Scott or thinks that Ramona is a pixie dream girl? there is that one song about it but that guy hasn't read the comic and clearly doesn't like the movie. Who is seriously idealizing Scott and Ramona on the internet or in real life? Any videos about the franchise can't wait to tell how bad of a person Scott is.
>>152935603>>152935660Takes Off is sort of a Rebuild of Evangelion thing where they're rewriting everything in such a way that everyone can be happy and franchised/spun-off forever instead of trying to fuck with the original characters.And O'Malley is embarrassed about the movie, not the comics. Future Scott is clearly meant to be the Scott of the movie
>>152935899idk about scott himself but there are definitely a plathora of waifufags that push ramona
>>152936110Yeah but waifufags always boil down every female character to their most surface level interpretation. There will of course always be people who misunderstand a piece of media. But the Scott Pilgrim fan base generally speaking is very aware of both Scott and Ramona's character flaws.
>>152935741Nah tyler was a retard>WAGHHHH THERES NO POINTLESS WAR TO DIE IN ANYMORE OH NO MY STEAK TOO JUICY MY LOBSTER TOO BUTTERYIt was cool when tyler punched the shit outta jared leto and spliced porno clips into cats dont dance tho
>>152936185What about the people who force a sympathetic view of all female characters being prevelant within any given fanbase and putting off proper blame or acknowledgement.
>>152936192 Feeling like your life is meaningless has no value and that Society doesn't care about you is valid.Tyler's framing is hyperbolic and his solution is stupid but the issues he's talking about are real. Poverty is not the only valid reason to be sad.
>>152936203There's always going to be a small percentage of a fan base that's filled with weirdos. We shouldn't let that small minority define the fanbase. I'm not aware of any videos that don't acknowledge Ramona's character flaws. Even in this thread and the current story times there's nobody defending Ramona as some innocent dream girl.
>>152936386But anon you don't understand, there might be some 35 year old with 7 followers on BlueSky who embodies every strawman argument I'm mad about, and we NEED to make the entire thread an imaginary debate with this nobody!
Takes Off ditches the nuance and subtext the comic had that actually made it interesting in favor of much shallower characterization and wacky zany adventures. There's a fight each episode, but the fights are completely meaningless. Characters are flanderized and the writing suffers. I can list the good things it did on one hand.To provide an example, Ramona in the comics makes an effort to improve herself after months spent with Scott, learning he's a shitty person but trying to be better, and coming to the conclusion that she's not any better and needed to figure out herself before she chastises someone else for being awful. Ramona in Takes Off goes on a date with Scott, watches him die, then devotes everything she has to this guy she knew for ultimately about an hour. That's not early series Ramona. Ramona would've just "bummer", and skated away, like she did for everyone else.It's bad.
>>152929516All-round dog shit franchise that's vindictive of the basedlennial stomp-clap nintendrones of the early 2010's.
>>152935899Dude you can't seriously ask who does this in this big franchise and expect a serious answer. Those group of people exist. We have all seen them. BLOM has seen them. This is exactly why he has to repeat that Scott isn't a role model all the time. The reason why all the video essays say that Scott is a bad person is 1) because video essays are to analyze the story in depth and 2) because they're precisely talking to all those people that do think Scott is a badass.Same about Ramona. The reason that video exists is because it's true. She ruined a whole generation of women.
>>152937678>We have all seen them. BLOM has seen them.See>>152936386>The reason that video exists is because it's true. She ruined a whole generation of women.The main heroine from a film that flopped in the 2000s play comic book that even fewer people have read who won the entire generation of women really? If you seriously believe that you're a lost cause. There are so many other movies with manic pixie dream girl style characters much more popular and way more influential than Scott Pilgrim.
>>152937060Takes Off & the movie also have a problem where their events take place over the course of a week to a month, whereas the comics were across maybe close to 2 years
>>152929579>>152929602If BLOM announced tomorrow he’s doing a new Scott Pilgrim comic and it was coming out in September it would save comics.Im not even kidding.
>>152937749Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're not the majority of the fandom? I mean this is a thread with 46 replies from which many are from me and you. Also the storytime of the second book archived super fast. That's definitely not the majority of the fandom. BLOM himself said in a recent stream (among other things, like how Scott is not a good guy YET again) that the majority of the people in his lines for signing are on the range of 14 to 22 nowadays. There's a bigger group of people out there that are definitely not discussing how horrible Scott is.
>>152938054 Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're not the majority of the fandom? Where is the content of people idolizing Scott and Ramona? At least with Fight Club where thereis lot of people who think that Tyler is the hero. There is tons of YouTube videos written articles and memes about it. There's nothing like that in the Scott Pilgrim fandom. Show me the memes or the videos or articles about Scott Pilgrim where they think that Scott is a really nice guy. > BLOM himself said I don't trust anything he has to say. He clearly has a lot of negative emotions attached to Scott Pilgrim. Because it was partially based on his wife that divorced him. Also this is a man who dyes his hair red and his late forties.
>>152929516Ha, no. It should have just been a normal sequel to Scott Pilgrim. Creating various Time Travel shenanigans just because O'Malley keeps letting Twitter convince him to rewrite the story again.
Eh. Visually it's beautiful, and the soundtrack was fantastic. But I really don't like how flanderized the characters were. And I'm STILL pissed out the bait and Switch. All I want is a proper Scott Pilgrim book adaptation god-damnit! the game was fun but shallow, the movie could never have fit 6 books into that short a runtime, and I've already said my thoughts on the show.
>>152929516Why is this franchise still a thing?Mercy-kill it and send it to the boneyard already.
Also, I don't like how they got rid of most of the slice-of-life moments either.
i don't get why this is a franchise, having a hollywood movie, video games, multiple animated projects. like it doesn't seem that popular
>>152939004I remember finding out about this series randomly on YouTube and never checking it out until a friend reminded me of it.
>>152938279>I don't trust the life of the literal authorOk fine, keep living in your bubble then. Almost 4 hours later and only 8 new replies added, from which 2 are ours.>Have you ever stopped to think that maybe you're not the majority of the fandom?Yep, I know me and everyone here are pretty much the small minority. The comments here are nothing like what you see in social media like X, Instagram, YouTube or even BLOM streams themselves.
>>152938791He wanted to do a battle shonen from the start. He wrote a coming of age drama by accident. Even now he still wants the SP universe to be a battle shonen, hence both Takes Off and EX.
>>152939116>Wants a battle shonen>Creates a bunch of unique enemies for Scott to fight.>Oops, sorry. They're all good guys now and you should feel really bad if Scott punches them into coins.Ace job, O'Malley.
>>152939161It's exactly like in battle shonen. 90% of the Z warriors in Dragon Ball are former villains. Naruto redeems all villains like Gaara, Sasuke, Itachi and even fucking Orochimaru. Both Robin and Franky start as villains in One Piece and Marineford has all Luffy's crew formed by former enemies.
>>152939116>Wrote an interesting story>Wants to replace it with generic shlockSad.
as a slice of life, it's fine, but as a sequel/meta-commentary, it's kinda gay
>>152938279> it was partially based on his wife Is Ramona really based on his wife? Yikes. In wonder what the story is there.
>>152938868I really do take offense to the bait and switch. I can see it working with some things once in a blue moon, but mostly with things that are original IPs, probably a movie, that are pretending to be normal for five minutes then unexpectedly turn into a horror movie or get really trippy. With something like this it's just me meanspirited and annoying and gives the implication they knew nobody would watch it if they were upfront about what they were doing which begs the question why they're even doing it in the first place if even they know its garbage o one wants to watch.
>>152939004It's one of those things that got more popular on DVD because everyone watched it or a friend showed it to them. It's a little hard to describe but it's just one of those things that was fully of the moment. Just in the way the humor and everything was portrayed it really connected to a lot of millennials and I think a lot of Gen Z got exposed to it as their version of "older sibling core" and have a special attachment to it because of it. Even little things like Wallace. Now he seems like just another gay guy or woke nonsense but at the time it was hip, exciting, and funny. I remember being like 15 and feeling like: "OMG, this is like my life or what I expect my life to be like in a couple of years." I even washed my hands the same way Scott did. It's one of those things I think a lot of people came to like when they were just chilling at home alone and then you go on the internet and you find out a bunch of people had the same experience and want to talk about it.
>>152939591Yeah but thats kind of a cultural staple for them because of Journey to the West and they're introduced a bit differently. Like I feel Jackie Chan Adventures pulled this off pretty well with Toru, or Samurai Jack with the Scottsman, but you've got to introduce the guy as a villain of the week that kind of sticks around for a minute, then have him get beat after you establish how cool he is and have him have to come back and help fight a new bad guy so they can bond. Introducing them as a dick thats just a villain then later giving them a therapy episode isn't satisfying.
No, it's fucking rebuild nonsense that was marketed as a proper adaptation. But apparently if your not deep into the original GN, Movie, or Game your shit out of luck.
>>152940282she's also a cartoonist and they divorced in 2014 or something
>>152940311>Even little things like Wallace. Now he seems like just another gay guy or woke nonsenseFalse, he's still the GOAT and the best fem gay in fiction, nobody else even comes close.
>>152935743arguably scott is ramona's manic pixie dream boy in the original. hes a quirky whimsical man child
>>152939090>, keep living in your bubble then I'm in a bubble but the millionaire urbanite who's on record saying he doesn't like Scott Pilgrim is it?>The comments here are nothing like what you see in social media like X, Instagram, YouTube or even BLOM streams themselves. Once again of course there'll be a few random people who idolize Scott and Ramona. That doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of the fandom and media about Scott Pilgrim acknowledges Scott and Ramona's character flaws. There are dozens of Scott Pilgrim videos with millions of views that all talk about how Scott is an asshole. There is no real discussion about Scott being a good person even on Instagram and Twitter it's just people like you who argue with Phantoms.
>>152940794>>152940282How little self esteem does a man have to actually marry a woman like Ramona?
>>152930096fucking this.i have been waiting for an animated retelling of the original story for years.
>>152933907the worst part is that they actually advertised it as an actual adaptation of the comic.
>>152929516There was no point in trying to "flesh out" Ramona's character. Women like that don't have actual personalities.
>>152941339I know, it was similar how they advertised the he-man show as being a faithful reboot to the old cartoon but then kevin smith had to shit all over it and kill he-man within the first five minutes. Why does netflix keep doing that bait and switch shit? Dont they know it just pisses people off and makes them rage quit their series?
>>152936280>Feeling like your life is meaningless has no value and that Society doesn't care about you is valid.Of course but tylers rationale and response to it is beyond fucking stupid and anyone who thinks it holds an iota of truth is an idiot and missing the point. But again, he was based for punching the shit outta jared leto and the concept of a fight club is still a good idea imo
>>152941398>>152936280Holy fuckThe story is about how disaffected men are easy prey for charismatic monstersStop it.
>>152941420Of course but that lesson went over the head of the zoomer audience who just saw it and said "tyler based"Also since its semi on topic helena bonham carter's character in fight club is my waifu i need me a bad bitch like her in my life so badly
>>152941387worst of all is that this might have been the last chance for an adaptation of the comic and its original story.
>Couldn't even make Scott biWorthless
>>152941273>There is no real discussion about Scott being a good personThis might come as a shock to you, but in real life, people don't have the necessity to discuss what they like or don't like with strangers on the internet. At most, they'll speak about it with the creator, hence him always telling them that Scott isn't a good guy.
>>152941522Making Scott bi would be fatal to the plot because then he'd too busy sucking Wallace's cock to even entertain wooing some moody bitch with rainbow hair.
>>152941522>>152941948Scott doesn't need to be bi, although I'm not against it.What he needs to do is knock up a bitchy lesbian ninja over and over again while she claims she's still gay.
Reminder it ends with Ramona telling Scott that her past of being a slut doesn't define who she is and that she wants him to remind her of that every now and again if they want their relationship to survive.
>>152941868>people don't have the necessity to discuss what they like or don't like with strangers on the internet. At most, they'll speak about it with the creatorThis this will be my last reply to you because you're delusional. Not even a percent of a percent of the fanbase will ever engage with the creator.
>>152941420 Who needs to stop? Both of the people you replied to agree that Tyler's in the wrong but that he says things that resonate with people.
>>152942506>We must be better men
