>“I am so excited for people to see John Bernthal as the Punisher in this movie. You know, he's come from a very different world. He's in the R-rated universe, and we've basically picked him up and plonked him into our world, and he absolutely sings in this movie. He is incredible.”>“The relationship between Spider-Man and the Punisher is so funny, and it changed a lot, and it evolved as we were shooting because Jon and I would improvise. It started as two people that really kind of hate each other, and then as we started improvising, it became this big brother-little brother rivalry, and it might be my favorite dynamic that I've ever seen with Spider-Man.”https://comicbookmovie.com/spider_man/spider_man-brand-new-day/tom-holland-reveals-how-mature-spider-man-brand-new-days-take-on-spider-man-punisher-changed-while-filming-a226935
>>152936324>punisher getting lil bro'd by Tom HollandNoice.
>>152936324Worst live action Punisher
>>152936353Other way around.
>>152936324If this means less MJ and Ned screentime then okay
Still should have been Wolverine.
>>152937106How often Logan work with Frank?
>>152937318No, it should have been Wolverine in place of frank. Hulk, ninjas, protecting young mutants - all Logan's wheelhouse.
>>152937106>>152937456Wolverines lil bro is Cyclops or Deadpool, wolverines got not time playing with Spidey
>>152936324Kinda nice that this came full circle from them helping out with each other's screen tests
>>152937106They're saving that for the 3B movie
Are we ever gonna get Spider-Man and Daredevil in a movie together? No Way Home doesn't dount
>>152937485Categorically untrue.
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>>152938144In addition to this, there's also the issue alluded to in >>152938007which is excellent and a pretty good miniseries by Jason Aaron showing the chemistry between Pete and Logan.
>>152938160comfyall jaded old men deserve young idealist buddies so the both of them can realize the errors in their thinking
>Frank that doesnt frank any FranksWhat exactly is the point?
>>152938183I really love this story and it's from Amazing Spider-Man Extra which, being outside of numbered AMS issues, a significant number of people probably haven't read. I agree that it's nice seeing two really different people enjoy each others' company and try to help each other out instead of just arguing.
>>152938160>Zeb WellsA divorce can completely change a man
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>>152936324Punisher and Spidey need to be more antagonistic with only Frank being nice to Spidey and holding back. Like I mean Spidey needs to fucking hate Frank. That's kind of the point. So if they're just gonna chalk it up to just witty patter between them like him and Wolverine, that's OOC. Sure, maybe 80's Spider-Man might actually be more forgiving of Frank as he himself had that whole Jean DeWolff arc but by the end of it, Spidey was there alongside DD, agreeing about justice in a similar way. I dunno amybe near the end they hate eachother way more, I dunno.>>152938063Ok so this is kind of the point laid out here, where Wolvie is saying that Spidey needs to once in a while, just cut loose and be more sloppy with his heroism and just cripple people, right? Or am I misinterpreting this? Like Spidey at the end still decides to help out while Wolverine just walks off. Has Wolverine had a defining origin event where he is pushed towards heroism rather than just killing all the time? Was that meeting prof X or saving a guy in WW2? I don't read much X-Men. But it's kind of weird since I get that this is more about their POVs being true to an extent, same with Priest's story, but I dunno, it just kind of feels more shallow than that story. Like killing sends shockwaves across life that has consequences we can barely fathom when it happens. Spidey knows that firsthand and is risk-adverse because of that. Wolverine is risk-adverse in the sense that he lives in a world where he is less tied to normal people and thus many threats he faces, he can kill them and then just leave. So one giving advice to the other is tantamount to just repeating the same advice as given here but it's hard to tell when you should've killed or not killed. Spidey killing Carnage is much more obvious than deciding the fate of a burglar who you don't know much about. What they've done or will do.So I dunno this story is just kinda meh to me. Unless I'm missing something.
>>152938236He was married to Heidi Gardner but they divorced. The Buffalo Wild Wings Buffalo cucked him. And it happened around the time he was starting his run.
>>152938236>>152938420Yeah, pretty messy. Apparently she cheated. I recommend looking up WHEN it happened, and the projects he's been involved with since. Near enough every one of them has the main guy dumped and treated like shit for no good reason/reasons out of his control. It's genuinely fucking everything he does now.You can see a man who just can't grasp any reason why his wife left him, and now that's everyone else's problem. You occasionally see people say Paul is some weird self-insert, but Wells's self-insert is Peter being abused despite trying to be a hero. Deadpool in the third movie is him getting dumped because he was a hero, but had lost ambition. It's all Wells crying onto a page about how he's great, but not great enough. Its fucking tragic and tedious. I'd be sympathetic if he didn't keep making it everyone else's problem.
>>152938160Comics like this are worth more than twenty super mega crossover events.
>>152936324So why can Punisher be in a Spider-Man movie but not Kingpin? I thought they were under the same Marvel TV contract stipulations that would require renegotiation? I'd rather have Kingpin in this than Punisher.
>>152939645cos Marvel doesn't want to pay SONY any residuals for mentioning Spiderman.
>>152939645So exhausting in this crossover fatigue era we can’t have the characters who it actually makes sense to interact with each other meet
>>152938641People need to know that fiction isn't their fucking designated trauma shitting zones god damn. I say this as a cuck.
>>152939645so that they cant use this version of Vincent as kingpin in their spiderlessverse.
>>152937941Secret Wars presumably
Lemme tell you something webs
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>>152936324not a big fan of Bernthal as Punisher desu
speaking of punisher we finally got a date and title for the hour long presentation
>>152938134I wonder if this is before or after he got jumped by Sabertooth that year.
>>152937106I'd imagine if marvel and sony ever do a spidey x wolvie team up movie it's going to be hugh and tobey. >>152937941Unless daredevil born again season 2 ends up with matt in prison for some reason, I can't imagine a world where he doesn't show up in brand new day.
>>152939645Punisher was literally introduced in Spider Man?
>>152943431So was Kingpin. And Kingpin was in the Spider-Verse movie so I don't know why that anon's complaining.
>>152942063Will it take place after Born Again season 2?
>>152936359Lol no
>>152938420>>152938641Oh I didn't even realize he was the on responsible for Paul.I stopped following AMS (and related 616 Spidey stuff) around the time Superior Spider-Man was winding down and have only vaguely kept up with things based on what I hear/see from /co/ and other random online news stories.Guess it's like Loeb where Wells WAS a good writer at one point and then just kind of broke as a person and that negatively affected his writing.
>>152937999>>152938007>>152938013>>152938031>>152938038>>152938044>>152938052>>152938073>>152938094OCC and Wolvie has tons of kids needing his help and assistance more than Spidey, the new mentor thing belongs to Ironman.
>>152938134>>152938144>>152938160>posts comic read>all this is replaced by Deadpool and Wolverine popularity as the iconic duo GG
>>152938391>Punisher and Spidey need to be more antagonistic with only Frank being nice to Spidey and holding back. Like I mean Spidey needs to fucking hate Frank.No thats boring and typical self righteous and pretentious superhero moral slop. Peter has an open mind and preach squeaky clean to avengers to people who have more killing experience than he does and that includes Wolverine. Peter and Frank could be like Sonix and Shadow from the Sonix series. Sonics got no problems with Shadows methods as long as the have some merit in doing something good for someone, and Shadow admits Sonic someone to aspire to be because his mercy yet incredible power always pulls through.
>>152943915If you want to contribute meaningfully to discussions on /co/ you should read comics instead of watching MCU movies. Tony Stark is a terrible mentor in literally every comics continuity in which he appears. The inspiration for the MCU comes from Civil War era AMS and Robert Downey Jr.'s charisma and popularity. The X-Men in general (but also Wolverine in particular) have more rapport with Spider-Man but the F4 are probably the most traditional 'best choice' for a mentor figure.
>>152944019As originally written by Conway.
