It doesn't make any sense to me. It is like they have been sticking their heads into the sand when it comes to this shit. They are businesses right? Why not replicate what works when it comes to comics?>They aren't focused on comics anymoreBut they still cancel series if they are doing well, so obviously they want their comics to make money. Just fucking learn from manga. If the Western tradition left you a shadow of your former self in your own country, then abandon it. It isn't going to help you. Go black and white, make original IPs, learn from manga storytelling and paneling, release at least 30 pages a month, and let stories have a beginning and end. That's it, you don't need to ape their art styles.
>>152937303Marvel will be responding appropriately very soon.https://ir.webtoon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/disney-and-webtoon-entertainment-broaden-relationship-create-new
>>152937303Sounds like you have your head in the sand. They've responded many times over the years.
>>152937473How is converting shit into a vertical format going to change anything?>>152937476Not in ways that matter. Making an already existing IP into a manga isn't going to change anything. Trying to lessen their output single issues didn't change anything. Running to bookstores didn't change anything.
>>152937303Absolute DC, dumbass
>>152937583They see vertical comics as an opportunity to get ahead of the Japanese manga industry when it comes to getting into the hands of the next generation of comic readers. Let me lay out what I have heard so far>They will be hiring experienced Korean editors and assistants to work with and teach Western talent. >The comics will be vertical and colored>The releases will be weekly>They will be creating fully dubbed motion comics out of existing and new titles to promote their new platform.
>Go black and white,This doesn't sell and there are a lot list of b&w titles that prove it.>make original IPsThis doesn't work either.>learn from manga storytelling and paneling,Peach Momoko's Ultimate X-Men and DC's Absolute line are doing this, to great sales success.>release at least 30 pages a month,Not a factor.>let stories have a beginning and end.Also not a factor and right now everyone's seething at how awful the endings are for the new Ultimate line.
>>152937303Nah, just let them die.
>>152937722bullshit.>>152937821peace momoko has no idea how to make comics her shit sucks. the absolute line doesn't have paneling like manga
>>152937821>make original IPs>This doesn't work eitherThat's an cowars take
>>152937862Fuck off
>>152937866Artists aren't going to do a 1:1 copy, but the influence is there, much like how Frank Miller changed comics by drawing more like Japanese artists than Americans in the 80s.>>152937882Image, Dark Horse and other smaller publisher are full of original IP that don't sell. Marvel and DC have both created a bunch of new characters in the past 10 years that hardly anyone cares about.
>>152937934>much like how Frank Miller changed comics by drawing more like Japanese artists than Americans in the 80s.He was influenced by Argentinian comics, weebshitter.
>>152937942Miller specifically cited Lone Wolf and Cub as an influence.
I'm getting real sick of manga fags
>>152937303People make money by owning things not by making things people who make things are owned by the money people who don’t listen to them because they can’t refuse to play
>>152937984What the fuck are you saying
>>152937958The only way to defeat them is to read and understand tons of manga yourself and school them. You will also have to read lots of types of comics and school them there.
>>152937303This is an asinine question that doesn't understand basic advertising and economics. The comics industry are aware, but they can't so shit.>Use cheaper paperstock.I work in the industry. With how western countries deal with paper (Japan and other Asiatic countries have different industries) swapping to cheaper paper stock would be negligible (and more expensive in some cases). Making that change worthwhile would require such large printing quantities of individual (like manga volumes) that it's not even remotely on the table. >Print in Black & WhiteSame as the paperstock. Putting aside the cost of the colorist, it's negligibly cheaper at these printing quantities.>Pricing is fucked. Lower it.The margin is already trash on the books because of print run sizes. If they lowered the price then they'd have to get rid of low sellers. I'd like this, but in such a low-margin industry that'd be extremely destabilizing.>Smaller trim.Honestly, I'd like this as well. It'd reduce costs, and GENERAL audiences even seem to prefer it. However, large numbers of sales are from the collectors market, the faggots who pay to slab books and buy every variant. They fear changing the basic silhouette of the product would spook them, and they may be right. However, I'd say that's worth the risk.>Better Action.Requires large-scale restructuring of the editorial practices, which costs money they don't have. That aside, it'd also require a larger page count (Western comics customers don't engage with Anthologies much anymore, and swapping to a large mag like Shonen Jump overnight is impractical and suicidal), and more decompressed stories. Guess what, they also can't afford this change. This would have to be downwind of everything else.>We need loyal adaptions, like Anime>Comics need advertisingThese are the same thing. Anime often only get a season because the STANDARD model is an anime is an extremely accurate adaptation BECAUSE it's advertising. Comics don't.
>>152937887Do you enjoy Tom King, Dan Slott, Matt Fraction, Al Ewing, Tom Taylor, Ryan North, etc?
>>152938764>We need loyal adaptions, like Anime >Comics need advertising These are the same thing. Anime often only get a season because the STANDARD model is an anime is an extremely accurate adaptation BECAUSE it's advertising. Manga is the main product in Japan, the anime is not. The anime are often loss-leaders. If an anime blows up that's an abnormality, one they're happy to capitalize on. Comics make no money, so having the adaptation advertise them is ass-backwards.>The quality is higher.No, shit gets filtered. Most manga get cancelled fast. Even the duds that make it to the west are considered the best of the best. >Manga is more original.Lol, give me another tournament arc you dumb cunt. >Single artistic vision of the mangakaWrong, retard. Editorial control is massive, and far more invasive than the west. For example, in DBZ Akira Toriyama was forced to keep Vegeta alive because of audience demand. He was forced to change the villains of the Cell saga over three fucking times. Maybe you should be asking for more editorial input. There's a million more reasons, but I don't have the time or energy. This is the sort of question ask by retarded, shb-human faggots who should kill themselves. The answers are already out there. Everyone who's got an IQ about fucking 80 understands this. Even the failsons at Marvel who get the coffee know this.Does this mean Direct Market omics are okay? No, I just told you they don't have money. They're treading water because they can't afford to do anything else. They'll circle the drain and continue to slowly die. It's over.That said, non-DM comics are growing. However, you don't want to hear about webtoons and shit being the most popular medium of comics and how it's all 70% women reading romance comics.
>>152937303The comic industry collectively decided years ago, that they were the "Pilot Program" for potential tv shows, did some mental gymnastics, and decided that their sales figures didn't matter as long as they could slide an issue over the desk of some Netflix exec and get greenlit.They are in a long death-spiral, as they have been captured by people who, in a better world, would be cleaning toilets for slave wages.
>>152937821>Also not a factor and right now everyone's seething at how awful the endings are for the new Ultimate lineThe lesson to be learned here isn't that people don't want things that end, it's that they don't want things that have fucking awful endings.
Did the CHADulk the COOL poster get banned? Usually he's the second post in these threads.
>>152937303Because that requires giving chances and creative control to not only young and unproven talent but young and unproven editors as well, which is what really drives the manga industry- constant new faces in and out within the industry with differing perspective and ideas on things, marvel and DC is just a revolving door of nepotism and friends
>>152939070Manga is ruled over by heavily involved editors. Editorial is infamously controlled by very, very old men. Mangaka bend over backwards to appeal to those editors to even get published. There are editors who are known to only take material that meets set criteria (do you think all shonen protags are identical by coincidence? The editors demand it because they think audiences want it). The level of editorial input and control makes the West look positively hands-off. Mangaka also don't just pick "new, unproven talent". Every mangaka has a story of how they'd had numerous, short, one-off stories beforehand. Not to mention that MANY work as an assistant to other successful mangaka before they get their titles; this is partly to show they can handle the workload. "Constant New Faces" is absolutely fucking not how the manga industry works, to an almost laughable degree. If you wanted to emulate the manga industry you'd actually have editors with extreme tenures constantly giving input and managing series with the aim of maximizing and positive reader engagement. Right now Western comics have the worst of both worlds; top-down directives with minimal management. "Do whatever you want, but no changing the characters status quo." Look at the Nick Spencer Spider-Man run - he built up undoing OMD all the way to the end before editorial finally realised and told him no. That level of editorial mismanagement wouldn't happen in manga. Are Western Direct Market comics insular and nepotistic? Yeah, absolutely. As an example DC only have around 20 actual salaried staff members (writers, artists, colorists, etc are all contractors). The industry is so small it becomes insular. Every industry sufficiently small and low-profit does. That's not a defense, I'm saying comics aren't special in any way.
>>152939036He's probably busy at /v/ or reddit. That's where he hangs out.
>>152937303>>They aren't focused on comics anymoreMarvel isn't. DC currently at least seems to put some effort at their comics division at the very least. The only reason Marvel Comics is still alive is for them to produce future MCU pitches.
>>152937303Comics were created as war time propaganda, see Captain America.After the war ended, they shifted to youth subversion, but this got nipped in the bud real quickly with the comics code authority. They stopped paying attention to comics at this point and just let it do its own thing, comics stopped being culturally relevant so it wasn't an inssue.Cut ahead to the modern day and any and all shows of masculinity are being curtailed. Even as small as they are, comics became a problem, and so they began deliberately ruining them. Comics being terrible and irrelevant is the intention. They provide a cushy activist job for the executives friends and family, and they demoralise the people who grew up with comics. Once those old guys have all died with sadness in their hearts that Batman was turned into a cuck, they'll wrap it up and close the comics departments for good.
>>152941041contBut one thing they didn't anticipate is manga.It's a problem for them if manga succeeds because for all intents and purposes, it is just more comics, and it isn't spreading globohomo. And they don't have control over it.They managed to ward it off for a while by fucking over WSJ in 2012, but manga is back and its bigger than ever.They don't currently have a plan to fight it. Their plan is just to wait and hope manga fizzles out and vanishes on its own.But if it does succeed, almost certainly they will attempt to take control of it and destroy it through enshittification.
>>152937303>copy mangaSome of these things are good ideas, but some of them are irrelevant>black and whiteirrelevant. The time and cost saving of this is not what it once was. Even newspapers are not printed in black and white anymore, the cost of color printing is trivial now. And manga art is so detailed now that they're not exactly trying to be efficient with their art by omitting color.>original IPsthis is a big point, they absolutely need to do this, it's not just about being original, it's about being novel. People don't care about Batman because they already know the story, it's not interesting. Nobody knows where the One Piece is, that story hasn't been told yet. It's interesting.>manga storytellingIf you mean the tropes, such as training arcs, beach episodes, villains teasing "THAT", etc. Some of there are good ideas and some of them are not. Many of these tropes are mature in Japan, the readers have seen so many of them that they only enjoy them when there's a twist involved. It's not enough that the tentacle monster appears on the beach, the tentacle monster must do something unexpected.But if you mean the timing/pacing of manga, then yes absolutely, comics need to copy this, their pacing is all fucked up, you'll have 5 issues dedicated to chatting at a bar about relationship problems, then 1 issue dedicated to fighting across the universe. It's completely inanimate.
>>152941080cont>panellingYes they need to copy panelling, pic related is a recent wonderwoman page which shows what comic panelling is like. They'll do a flashy over-the-top page, which makes you think they're some master of panelling, but then the rest of the issue is just hollywood storyboarding. They don't actually know anything about panelling at all. They play with their panels, but they're breaking the rules before they even know them.Panels are the window into the story, they guide the eye, control the timing of scenes. Manga is so good at panelling that few ever even notice they're there at all, all they notice is the story, which they are totally drawn into.>30 pages a monthmanga releases 20 pages a week, atleast WSJ does. Infact you could argue this isn't even enough. An ideal would be 20 pages a day, matching the current internet trends of youtube channels releasing a 10 minute video a day, because that's how long it takes to read 20-30 pages. It's a logistically problem but currently comics aren't releasing nearly enough content, by the time you've read an issue, you forget the story by the next issue.>stories have beginnings and endingsThis is tone related. Spongebob needs no beginning and end, and most comicbooks were of the tone of Spongebob back in the day. But this isn't popular today. Even for lighthearted stories, people like them more with beginnings and ends and overall tight continuities.I'd go further and say they need to have the same artist and writer throughout. Changing the artist or writer is like changing the main actor midway through the movie. It doesn't matter if they're still the same named character, they're obviously different and the whole thing is ruined.
>>152941103cont>don't ape their art stylesThere are many things that we recognize as parts of manga art, but actually are just good ideas.One of these is speed lines.Look at this panel, ask yourself, without speedlines, how dynamic would this page look? It wouldn't look like the character is moving very fast at all. It's all in the speedlines.And the speedlines do many more things than that, they control the mood, making a scene appear shocking, or frightening. They make things appear fast, they dictate the direction of movement and its intensity.You need speed lines, they are animation without animation, sound without sound.
>>152941121contAnd what the faces? The big eyes, pointy chins, spiky hair, dot noses?How many of these are an established cartoon style, and how many are simply the good idea that drawing the features simpler and bigger makes them easier to draw and understand?Do you know how hard it is to draw a perfectly realistic face, making an expression that is immediately understood, on a head no bigger than a thumbnail, in the span of about 30 minutes - 1 hour? And then do that 8 hours a day for low pay? You're asking the impossible. The realistic art style of comics is a terrible idea. Manga is stylized precisely because it is comics. Because to draw characters that emotionally effect the viewer under those conditions demands that you draw them in an efficient way, ie, cartooning.
>>152941080>People don't care about Batman because they already know the story, it's not interesting.Then why are people still buying more Batman than original IP comics, dumbfuck?>Nobody knows where the One Piece is, that story hasn't been told yet. It's interesting.They’ve been looking for it for 30 years, it’s not interesting, it’s filler.
>>152941160>why aren't they buying original comicsBecause they're shit. Besides, nobody is buying Batman. Its sales are in the gutter.People buy manga because it's interesting, and a big part of that interesting factor is in it being original.Just make interesting comics, and people will buy them.
>>152941186cont, a note on originality.There's this popular idea amongst comic readers that nobody will buy something that they don't already know the story of.That nobody wants new things, no new characters, no new IP's, nothing, they don't touch novelty simply because it is novel.This is insanity. Look to any other entertainment medium, look at videogames, movies, cartoons, etc. In cartoons it was just literally the company policy to end a series after 52 episodes and shift focus to a new series because novelty was king. If a cartoon went on too long, people would get tired of it, they would have gotten used to the formula and wouldn't watch it anymore.If all you make is the same old thing, nobody will buy it, and look at comics as the perfect example of that. Nobody is buying them. Dogman outsells literally every other comic, and nobody has even heard of Dogman.Making original comics isn't a matter of>oh well we tried that once but it failed so we won't try it againIt's sink or swim. Either you make something original that people want to buy, or you sink. This is business you're in, not therapy.
>>152941211There have always been original comics.>because they’re le badIt’s laughable to claim every single original comic book is bad and that alone is why they don’t sell even though you keep insisting readers are dying for new IPs
>west vs east thread>samefagging tranime OPWho cares? Read what you want. Manga started by japanese reading cape comics.
>>152941242>every single original comic book is badIt's crazy... but it's trueI've looked as hard as I can, but I can't find anything in the original western comics department that would even make the bottom slot of Weekly Shonen Jump. It's all nothing but trash.
>>152941242Also, it's like saying>Why aren't there any prominent scientists/discoveries from x countryThere's no justification for it, it's entirely a blight on that country's reputation.You can't stand up and say "well x country just doesn't believe in innovation.You're just embarassing yourself. Your scientists are shit, they haven't discovered anything, they need to get their shit together and start doing some real science.The west persistently fails to produce worthwhile original comics, they're just bad at it and need to follow the advice of OP and make something actually worth reading.
>>152941346contThe reason everything the west produces in terms of comics is garbage is because anyone with any talent is denied the chance for success.Going with the scientist analogy. A country with no universities will not produce any scientists. You can't expect them to support themselves, you must support them as an industry.The western comics industry does not support good comics, therefore there are none.
>>152941289It’s not true. It’s patently absurd to make such claims.>I can’t find anything that blah blah blah I masturbate to Shounen JumpWhy don’t you just admit you despise western comics like the weeb you are
>>152941524Name a single comic that would be publishable in Weekly Shonen Jump
Imagine if Japan insisted on staying in their feudal era instead of modernizing and copying the West. Western comics are stuck in their feudal era.
>>152937473The first comic Marvel converted to WebToon was the Zeb Wells run of ASM, which predictably hasn't done well due to piss poor verticalization and mounting frustration over the constant editor note references to comics the platform doesn't have access to
>>152937303Anthologies don't sell in america.
>>152941251Based.
And manga can hit diminishing returns as well. The recent trend is reincarnated as a villainess and is already an old hat
>>152941596Heckblaze
>>152937303>muh beginning and endThere are tons of contained stories within superhero comics. Both in and out of the main canon. This is a retarded argument.
>>152941940Retard
>>152941907Yeah, people act like Manga has all these unique stories but really it's just rehashes of whatever is popular.
>>152941289Shut the fuck up faggot.
>>152941251/rhread
>>152941947Nice rebuttal. Superhero comics are based on a core cast of iconic characters with stories in an ongoing series. Yes, they may or may not reference stuff in the past, but each run is generally a self-contained story. Sorry you're too stupid to understand that.
>>152937303DC already does manga, and they do well under the name BATMAN>>152939036The shartranny, who is literally a shoot tranny, was probably banned.
>>152941918Can't even find it when googling, who makes it?
>>152941918Do you mean Hellblazer?You can't be serious, this wouldn't get published in WSJ at all, and if it did it'd fall to the bottom of the ratings immediately. If you disagree, please by all means, post a page from it that argues your case, because looking through this myself, this is just visual diarrhea
>>152942269This girl looks like she has a skin condition. If you can't even make your girls look pretty what are you even doing in this industry?
>>152942280The art style changes completely midway through. This kind of practice is kryptonite to any hope for a successful series. It's like changing the main actor partway through a movie.
The comics and manga industries make a similar product, but they have entirely different histories and market conditions that lead to the current moment. Comics are actually doing the best they have in years. Sales in shops up overall thanks to Absolute, dc feeling confident enough to relaunch vertigo and put out the next level books. Same could be said for Image and their latest crop of books. Not all roses though. Marvel is aimless and losing share and sales, and crucially fan goodwill. Dark horse fired Mike Richardson and Embracer group seems to be tightening the noose. So as always there is good and bad. Point being, shut up about manga. Atleast in the east v west context. Comics and manga have comfortably existed parallel to each other for a generation now in the US. Neither is going anywhere.
>>152942269>muh JumpThis is how infantile manga readers are
>>152937303>Go black and whiteThat would alienate so many long time fans, the people who actually buy American comics, just to throw away our main advantage over Manga.>Make original IPsTons of original IPs are made all the time in American comics, even by the big two (see DC's relaunched Vertigo imprint) but they don't sell nearly as well as the superhero titles.It isn't so easy to just copy what works for a completely different continent and business environment onto American comics.Manga makes money because Japan is a vastly more literate culture than America, and the much larger Anime industry supports it.For Western Comics to be able to successfully copy manga, we'd need an infrastructure which made cartoon adaptations of popular, original comics and a population which would actually want to read the books the cartoons are based off of.American comics so poorly because>Americans don't like to read>Our entertainment business is so consolidated and corporate that we can't make new shows adapting our original comics with any frequency and>Most Americans who do read view comic books, as an artform, to be for children.Japan has none of these problems, so they have a very successful industry. But the same doesn't apply here.
>>152942335What is even going on at Marvel? I kept reading until the ANA(L)D era. I powered through but I stopped with Secret Empire. The absolute disrespect towards their heroes, especially Steve Rogers, at the time, just because Trump won against Hillary was too much to stomach. And I'm not even American. Coupled with the X-men getting shat on, Thor being a pussy cuck while Jane took all the laurels. I just stopped. Nowadays I see they just shit on Peter for whatever reason with that Paul dude. It's probably someone's self insert but I don't care enough to subject myself to reading that garbage.
>>152942301Another stupid argument
>>152942269>>152942280One thing I hate in American comics is the gradient shading. It just looks like shit, it doesn't look realistic nor does it look good.Manga's style of cellshading is much, much better. Plenty American books also do cellshading and don't use computer gradients, and those are always better looking books
>>152939012Unsatisfying endings are par for the course for most anime and manga. "Create a status quo, blow it up, no one's happy at the end" is how it tends to go.
>>152937303>learn from manga storytelling and panelingDear God, no.Manga paneling is fucking unintelligible. Anytime I try to read a manga, I just have no fucking clue which panel comes next. American comics don't have that problem and they should continue not having it.And for storytelling, eh.There are some general trends that I have identified (which may be wrong, but it's what I've noticed anyway) in Japanese story telling which are good.Like the English-Language literature scene in general has a problem of being really self-obsessed. Focused on deconstructing tropes, re-contextualizing literary devices or genre staples, rather than just telling its own story. Every Anime I've seen doesn't do this, and instead focuses on its own creative fiction rather than trying to place it within relation to some previous literary canon.Now I imagine if I read more manga, I'd learn there is plenty of self-absorbed shit there, too. Certainly the deluge of Isekai bullshit seems to be a far worse example of this problem than even western literature, but the most popular anime all create their own worlds without focusing on their connection to the analysis of literature
>>152937595Come on, Absolute is just Metal 2.0 or Injustice 2.0, they're going to ruin it any minute now, in fact they're already ruining it.
>>152937303Should we really take that ending advice from them when majority of the time a major manga ends it's always dogshitLike /a/ is committing collective suicide RIGHT NOW over how bad the ending of Chainsaw Man is
>>152937303They already did and were unanimously winning for a time. It's called the MCU. Manga only thrives because Japan is a reading demographic. In terms of overall reach and influence in popular culture though, adaptations will always matter more than reading material and nothing has ever been as big as capeshit movies at its peak.
>>152942417>muh... the most popular comic magazine in the entire world containing several titles that outsell the entire US comics industryyeah okay you do you pal
>>152942863Capeshit movies were big in spite of what Marvel and DC have been doing for the last 15-20 years, which is why the MCU started dying as soon as it started adapting the more recent, shittier material.
>>152937303Because they can'tThey can't create more good characters because superheroes are ridiculuous shit
>>152941985>>152942417I just kidding about HellblazerIts definitely Seinen levelOn serious note thought, actually Batman
>>152942644Bad ending >>>>>> no Ending
>>152943075What Batman? You mean this one? I don't think people are gonna want to read this today
>>152943085Again, Big Two capeshit is simply serialized. There are tons of arcs with self-contained stories. There are tons of non-canon self contained stories.
>>152942929They started adaptations of recent material as early as The Avengers (which drew from the Ultimates), Winter Soldier (Brubaker's run), and Guardians of the Galaxy (modified version of the Abnett and Lanning line-up). The story they were building up to came to a conclusion after over a decade. People tuned out because the new one they were trying to build up wasn't as interesting.
>>152943085Multiple endings>>>>>Bad ending
>>152937303They got complacent, assumed alternatives to their market would never exist, and so let the quality of their product fall.Add in the political shit that happened once Cheetoman got elected and things were doomed.
>>152943085I've seen bad endings completely sour entire series for people. Remember how big Game of Thrones was for years?
>>152943085Bullshit
>>152937303The manga market has a huge advantage over the American comic book market that no matter how hard Marvel, DC, Image and other may try, they simply cannot replicate. The fact we get the finished product without having to read the creators opinions on social media all through the process of creating the manga. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r7omehbshU
>>152944079Meanwhile, something that gets canceled and doesn't get an ending, like Firefly (until Serenity) and My Name is Earl are still beloved. Because sometimes an ending fucking ruins it.
>>152944381>One PieceI'm not watching this video and whatever they have to say is almost certainly retarded. God it is always fucking shounen shitters. Oh wait...>Youngrippa.
>>152943085Genndy Tartakovsky wrote this post
>>152944381Even though this video is only 5 minutes long it somehow manages to drag out the singular point it makes of>the west is corrupt, it judges people based on who they are as people rather their merit
>>152944956Yes and we all know Japan is a bastion of fair play and not corrupt system of hierarchy and maintaining a status quo
>>152945092Japan is definitely a far stricter society, where your character affects your direction in life far more than in the west... but because of this, they've learned to keep shit under wraps.You don't hear the opinions of a Japanese author because they don't dare speak them, and the result is that everyone gets along.
>>152945092Anon, you're describing literally every country on the planet, because a country doesn't exist without some form of hierarchy and status quo. You're supposed to grow out of this shit in college.
>>152944381Fuck off, Rippatard
>>152945438He's speaking the truth. Your personal feelings on him or his politics or his comics are irrevelant to that.
>>152945958No, he's not. He's retarded.
>>152941251Thanks Hulk, these threads are insanity.
>>152937303Stop doing your pissing contest and read Sam Kieth comics.
>>152946038Hulkfag is a death battle faggot.
>>152937958/co/pe harder faggot>>152938834Yes, it is /co/cksuckerKeep up with your capeshit and grotesque crap in a horrendous "art" style.In M/a/nga and the Doujinshi scene, you can find practically any story or plot imaginable./co/pe & dilate
>>152941251/co/cksuckerYWNBAW
>>152941950Where are the current west*id versions of Golden Kamuy, Atelier of Witch Hat (Tongari Bōshi no Atelier), or Ruri no Hōseki?STFU
>>152948685>>152948727If you love /a/ so much, why do you still go here?
>>152942335LMAOKeep /co/pe and seethe>>152942644The dying west*id c*mic book "industry" wishes it had even 1% of the relevance of Japanese M/a/nga
>>152943085It's more that ending >>>>>>>> no ending, and we'll take the bad endings because there will also be good endings.
>>152950489I would rather have no ending so I can make up my own that I'll be a lot happier with than an awful official ending.
>>152950878I'd much rather have an ending.
>>152948810>Ruri no HōsekiYou got tricked by titties into consuming edutainment.
>>152948928>https://desuarchive.org/co/search/image/L_IP7tMpG_fUduieCDYAdA/Dogshit comeback and autismo? I just hit the jackpot
>>152937303The problem is really in the backlog collections. Right now unless you're willing to just jump into a story in media res and figure it out along the way you have to look around at a bunch of different collections in different formats, some in color and some not with missing issues and have to double check to see if they overlap or have missing bits or not. You can't just hop on an online shop or go to a store and see Spider-Man/Hulk/Iron Man volume 1 that starts with their first issue and see volume 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, all the way up to 300 or whatever where it says: "this is all caught up now and we'll release another one once another 10-30 issues accumulate to justify a volume release. Otherwise you can go to the individual issue section and buy issue # whatever which is the next issue after this one ends and then start following it monthly."That's what it's impossible to do. You can get most of them, but you can't get all of them up to Spider-Versity or whatever is happening now and you certainly can't get them in a standardized collection that's all the same size, format, and numbering like you can with manga. That's one of if not the biggest hurdle that American comics face. Even if they plan to new readers are going to see they haven't caught up yet and just wait because they don't want to be left hanging waiting for a new backlog release. Compare that to something like One Piece which has all 1,168 issues collected into about 113 volumes that are all available physically in the store or able to be ordered online and by the time you catch up to the collected volumes it's very easy to just read the few you're missing and then start following the new weekly releases in Jump.If people are willing to start that nonsense from issue 1 and read it all the way up to current, even paying to do so and physically storing all of those books in their home they'll certainly do it with things like Spider-Man, Batman, and etc. The problem is they just can't.
>>152946126colors are a bit shit on this page
Belgian and French bande dessinée >>> Argentine historietas >> Japanese Manga >> Italian fumetti >> Korean Manwha >> Chinese Manhua >> Aboriginal Cave Paintings >> Schizophrenic Shit Drawings >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American Comics
>>152941140>somehow
>>152948835Because that faggot stays here because he hates Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson's relationship and marriage.Second he is the Boruto Shill Spammer from /a/, he literally exposed his ass when one anon said that boruto was shit as spider-man under the OMD faggots.He had a melty over it and began to defend that garbage whom even kishimoto rejects being canon
>>152953964This but all the arrows reversed.
>>152942644>popular shonen series have rushed endings so doing endings is bad
>>152938040That ain't happening. These threads always attract anons with the most boomers ass knowledge of manga. Guys like >>152942590 can barely comprehend it.
