>Save Martha!

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>>152941038
I used to defend this movie heavily when it came out but the more i grow older the more i realize it was fucking stupid. I will still die on the hill that making lex luthor a parody of modern tech bro's was a stroke of genius on zack snyders part even if it wasnt properly executed.

>>152941170
>making lex luthor a parody of modern tech bro's
At least in adaptations it seems to be something that stayed. I haven't watched MAWS but I've heard it's version of Lex is also one, and Hoult's Luthor definetively has shades of Musk in there.

>>152941059
WHY DO YOU BLEED THAT NAME?

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>>152941182
Hoults lex was great, he was miles better the batman v superman just like how everything in superman 2025 was better then that stinker. I fucking love that movie, hawkgirl can sit on my face anytime. Also guy is based and best boy!

>>152941170
Same. The movie just falls apart the more you think about it and a lot of stuff that might have been alright in concept completely failed in execution.

>>152941743
The movie tried to be 5 different things at once (Batman Flick, MoS sequel, The titular fight, Introduction to WW, Death of Superman adaptation)
Had they just stuck to the titular fight it would have been much better

>>152941758
Now while I said some things might have been alright in concept one thing that I have come to hate is that the foundational idea making it a Batman fighting Superman movie was pretty retarded so even if they focused on just that it still would have been contrived.

>>152941059
amazing how parrots on twitter can destroy a film, I hate parrots a lot.
2012-2013 parrots on social media about disney were a mistake.

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>>152941265
>guy is based and best boy!
I didn’t even like Gunn Superman but they made Guy so fucking cool

>>152942563
Bro my parents aren't on social media at all and they thought the Martha shit was stupid, because it was.

>>152941038
I remember I when to watch it to the movie teather.

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So much has happened in the last decade, and yet, it feels like nothing has changed.

Two things I remember about this midnight theater experience was turning to my left and asking my friend rhetorically what the fuck were we watching when Batman was mowing people down in his Batmobile and turning to my right after hearing some light snoring only to see an old man sound asleep

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>>152945437
This has absolutely been the worst decade of not only my life but whats even worse is that the six years prior to it were also absolute hell so it feels like everything since 2010 has been on a steady rapid decline and i dont know what the fuck went so wrong and what needs to be done and how many people have to die in order to make things right again.

Which was more impactful in terms of lowering the quality of discourse around here and similar spaces, BvS or The Last Jedi?

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>>152945572
Absolutely the last jedi. BVS was dumb but in a vaccum mostly harmless in the sense that it was some dumb retard trying to make a dumb popcorn action flick and not understanding the source material at all. TLJ was made by someone who wasnt a fan of star wars maliciously and with a clear agenda to try and paint old star wars as sexist and bad and new disney star wars as feminist and good and to attract the fabled new audience disney kept gloating about, and in turn it burnt so many bridges it not only ruined star wars as a franchise it did untold damage to movies and media as a while and im convinced that culture war shit flinging got the cheeto faggot a second term. So yeah, in a way rian johnsons responsible for all those dead iranian school children.

>>152945572
TLJ easily. BvS was more hated than controversial. It still had it's defenders, but the prevailing sentiment was "well that sucked". Compare that to TLJ which caused a fucking bloodbath from all sides of the spectrum and (arguably alongside 2016 Ghostbusters) gave rise to media grifting culture.

>>152941038
Even though Snyder was forced to abandon his plans with Superman and made this film, with WB interference, it's still one the best DC films ever produced. I know /co/ hates it, but it truly was great, even with the few minor issues it had.

>>152945713
>few minor issues
>few

>>152946406
That is what I said, yes.

>>152946578
>few

>>152946644
If you'd like to expand on my post or counter with an argument, I'd be happy to engage anon.

>>152945713
It was literally Snyder's idea to bring in Batman. Man of Steel underperformed (WB was expecting a billie) and the suits panicked because this was the second Superman reboot that failed in less than a decade so Snyder was like "what if we put Batman in the sequel?"

>>152946708
That's not true in the slightest anon. Snyder's original plan was for MoS to be the start of a Superman trilogy/quadrilogy. WB got spooked because Marvel films were seen as the epitome of comic cinema with The Avengers and WB killed his original plans because they wanted there own cinematic universe right out the door to compete (which was dumb).

>>152946677
NTA but I can give it a shot
>three different movies going on at once that spend the first two acts only tangentially related; Man of Steel sequel, Dark Knight Returns adaption, and Wonder Woman introduction that are then sloppily all slammed together in the last act which then suddenly turns into a Death of Superman adaption
>it's never really explained why Batman is even on Luthor's radar or why he cares about Batman, especially if Luthor knows there's actually other super powered people out there why not antagonize them against Superman instead of an old man in a rubber suit?
>the whole crux of the movie is Batman regaining his humanity after realizing that Superman's mom's name is the same as his mom's name. Except in the very next scene he's right back to murdering thugs left and right
>and speaking of the Martha scene is, without question, one of the worst things ever put to film. Yes, we all know what the intention was it was just really, really, really goddamn goofy
>Superman spends the whole movie moping around, any time he's actually doing anything Superman like he looks like he's miserable
>silly "grown up" stuff like a naked Lois Lane in a bath tub and the wheelchair guy saying "fuck" that are really out of place in a Superman movie and are obviously just lame attempts at showing audiences "this ain't the MCU!"
I know there's more but that's what I can think of off the top of my head while I'm at work

>>152946759
Yes it is. Snyder even wanted a post-credits scene in Man of Steel where a shipment of Kryptonite (from FedEx, apparently) was shipped to Wayne Manor. Snyder's talked about this nonstop how did you miss it?

>>152946848
and don't forget granny's peach tea

>>152946899
Damn, I don't know how I forgot about that. But yeah that. I thought of a few more
>Everything with Doomsday. What was Luthor's plan there? Why did he reanimate Zoe? If it was to kill Superman why did he spend the whole movie antagonizing Batman against Superman if he was gonna reanimate Zod to kill Superman? And if Zod's successful you now have a pissed off Kryptonian running roughshod over the planet so...again...why?
>Luthor had his mercenaries use bullets exclusive to Luthor mercenaries to frame Superman at the beginning?
>Going back to the antagonism between Superman and Batman why did Luthor go to the trouble of killing the bad guys Batman branded to make Batman look worse to antagonize Superman into fighting him if he was going to kidnap Martha as a ways to force Superman to fight Batman?
>Instead of wasting time fighting Batman why didn't Superman just listen for Martha's heartbeat like he did in Man of Steel and rescue her? Batman was able to find her licketysplit but Superman couldn't?

>>152946868
Just before Man of Steel was released, the studio announced Snyder would direct Man of Steel 2. Yet following the mixed critical reaction to Man of Steel (despite Snyder/WB eventually saying it made WB a shit ton of money later down the road), the studio decided to pivot and make Man of Steel 2 into Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice. The reason was twofold: they were now five years behind the MCU in terms of an interconnected universe and wanted to catch up, and Batman was one of the most consistent box office draws in the studio's library.

What Snyder actually wanted was a much longer Superman arc. Snyder wanted to do five or six movies that started with Superman being the reluctant hero leading to the Superman everyone is familiar with, a "boy scout" version. The arc started with Superman as a reluctant, apathetic hero who didn't know if he belonged on Earth or wanted to save people.

Further, Warner Bros. asked Snyder to include a humorous scene at the end of Man of Steel, but Christopher Nolan, who served as a producer, shot it down saying "a real movie wouldn't do that." So there was no post-credits scene at all, and the idea that was floated wasn't Batman-related.

>>152947013
>Further, Warner Bros. asked Snyder to include a humorous scene at the end of Man of Steel, but Christopher Nolan, who served as a producer, shot it down saying "a real movie wouldn't do that." So there was no post-credits scene at all, and the idea that was floated wasn't Batman-related
So Snyder was just flat out lying when he said he wanted a post credits scene where Kryptonite was delivered to Wayne Manor by your friendly FedEx carrier

>>152947045
I can't find any info on that particular post-credit, but if I had to guess, it was probably Snyder humorously spitballing with a journalist or pivoting once his actual Superman movies got derailed into "actually it's a Trinity movie".

>>152946848
The fragmented structure is intentional: Snyder was building a universe, not making a sequel to MoS. Ambitious, yes, but remember, his original run time was something like 4/5 hours, with the theatrical cut and then the extended cut (which was much better).

It is explained, just not spoon-fed. Luthor targets Batman specifically because Batman is the only human level player capable of hurting Superman and crucially, Batman's brutality and paranoia make him manipulable in a way a powered hero wouldn't be. Someone like Aquaman or Wonder Woman wouldn't take the bait, but a hysterical Batman would (especially after what he witnessed in Metropolis).

I agree, the Martha segment is really poorly done. It was clumsy and one of the weak spots in the film.

This is a deliberate character arc, not a flaw. The film is explicitly about what it would feel like to be Superman: an alien who saves people and is hated for it. His misery is the thesis. The payoff is his sacrifice, which is framed as his fully conscious choice to become the hero he was doubted to be.

Superman and Lois have had on screen romantic interactions for eons now anon. None of it was gratuitous; acting like Snyder threw in a softcore porn scene. Lol.

>>152946984
Luthor's plan has two stages that he's running simultaneously as contingencies: Batman kills Superman or Superman kills Batman(plan A), and if not, Doomsday does (plan B). As for the risk of a rogue Kryptonian, Luthor is explicitly shown to be unstable and increasingly irrational. He's not a good planner by the end. He's panicking and improvising, which is itself a character beat about what happens when a genius loses control of events.

This is a genuine plot hole.

>>152946984
>Instead of wasting time fighting Batman why didn't Superman just listen for Martha's heartbeat like he did in Man of Steel and rescue her? Batman was able to find her licketysplit but Superman couldn't?

This is probably the film's most defensible plot hole from a lore standpoint. Superman's powers work selectively throughout the DCEU and he can't always isolate one heartbeat in a city of millions. But the film does nothing to establish this limitation here, so it just looks like an oversight.

Like I said, though, some of the complaints are nitpicks and some are actual flaws. I like to think that him not being able to find his mother probably was supposed to tie-in to Luthor's "all powerful god" speech, but the part that bridged those two was scrapped but nobody noticed it needed some context on why Superman couldn't just blitz in and grab his mom. That said, the Batman warehouse fight was pretty rad.

I dislike what they did to KGBAgent though.

>>152946984
>Instead of wasting time fighting Batman why didn't Superman just listen for Martha's heartbeat like he did in Man of Steel and rescue her?
This brings into question how Clark couldn't detect the bomb at the Capitol?

>>152941038
Still shit.
>>152944008
This is so fucking gay.

>>152945623
>So yeah, in a way rian johnsons responsible for all those dead iranian school children.
perhaps i judged him too harshly

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>>152947013
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/zack-snyder-reveals-man-of-steel-batman-tease-that-111441839.html
Two seconds in Google

>>152947774
>wanting another useless war and more economic and political turmoil
Fucking cuck

>>152947712
This was like the only plot hole that was sort of explained in the director’s cut, apparently Luthor encased the bomb in lead…but that explanation then brings up the question “Superman didn’t find it suspicious that a guy disgruntled with him has a block of lead attached to him?”

>>152947277
>but the part that bridged those two was scrapped but nobody noticed it needed some context on why Superman couldn't just blitz in and grab his mom
Didn’t Snyder say the reason he didn’t listen for his mom was because he tried but heard all the other cries for help in the city and it bummed him out so he just went to fight Batman?

>>152947217
>It is explained, just not spoon-fed. Luthor targets Batman specifically because Batman is the only human level player capable of hurting Superman and crucially, Batman's brutality and paranoia make him manipulable in a way a powered hero wouldn't be.
How does Luthor know Batman is capable of killing Superman? He’s just a guy in a suit. Logically speaking if Superman was genuinely fighting Batman to the death it’d be over in two seconds. The only reason Batman “won” in the actual Dark Knight Returns book is because of their history, if they don’t have that history and Superman has no reason to go easy on Batman he’d have him in jail (or in Snyder’s world, dead) before Bats could ask if Superman bleeds. It’s like if the cops sent Stephen Hawking to arrest prime Mike Tyson with the logic of “well, Hawking’s smart he’ll figure it out”

>>152947774
Oh hi Shlomo

>>152947217
The problem with Batman v Superman is that too much shit happens for no real logical reason. Despite the fact Superman completely outclasses Batman in a one on one actual fight they need to have a long drawn out battle. Logically Superman should have Batman beaten and thrown in the sun before Batman can pull out any kryptonite but whatever it’s what the movie needs. Doomsday needs to be in the movie for some reason so Luthor makes Doomsday out of Zod. Why? Who cares. You can head canon all you want all these explanations but there isn’t anything in the actual movie to explain this shit. Which can be okay, every movie has plot holes and shit that doesn’t make sense. But if the movie is entertaining plot holes can be forgiven. Batman v Superman is not entertaining. It spends three hours up its own ass with boring high school level philosophy then spends the last hour ripping off Avengers.

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>>152947852
Interesting. US Google was not pulling that up at all. But I waybacked the link to the actual article (pic related). To me it reads like a lie since WB had scrapped his actual Superman series and Nolan didn't want after credits. Or it could have just been a teaser for something interconnected later down the road but wasn't BvS, y'know?

>>152947945
Idk anon. I guess he mentions that it was indeed a deleted scene of him searching for Martha on multiple occassions

>Vero livestream (November 2018):
"It is a green screen shot. He flies up above the city and hovers. The camera begins to rotate around him as he hears the cries of citywide crime going on..." — and that he couldn't find Martha without ignoring all those other crimes happening simultaneously.

>IGN interview (April 2016):
He said the scene was cut because it "represented this dark side," and added: "I kind of like the idea that he's taught himself not to look because if he looks it's just never-ending... he has to be really selective in a weird way about where he chooses to interfere."

>Full Circle BvS commentary (April 2023):
"Everyone always asks me for this scene... he just hears the screams of all the murders and everything that's happening in the city, so he can't really quite pin it down."

So across three separate occasions he gave slightly different framings. Seems like a lot of the plotholes people have with the film are in Snyder's deleted scenes.

>>152948003
I assume we have to make to the conclusion that since this Batman has been operating far longer than Superman has existed, stories of his feats/trials/tribulations are well known. It's also clearly apparent that this Batman has had run-ins with multiple metas, including Deathstroke, and Luthor knew that Wayne=Batman (which would afford him resources that others wouldn't have).

>>152948064
Hey, the movie isn't for everyone. I already admitted that. I enjoy it. And if you don't that's cool too.

>>152941038
A movie so bad it managed to kill an entire franchise for almost 10 years. Even as a kid I know this was bad. Rest in piss

>>152941038
>the unironic "no negative opinions" hugbox thread

Honestly, it was a wonderful time to be on /co/.

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>>152941038
I still don't understand why India dickrides this movie so much

>>152948418
They don't really. WB was using Indian influencers (like every western media company), but somehow WB doing it was bad, so it got saddled with the whole "saaaar" shitposting.

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>>152948418
Indians are fucking weird. Some of the biggest snyder fags are from their. Also i cant find it anymore but theres a video of indian cinema experience and it was like a big moshpit of all these thirty something grown men screaming and cheering and bouncing up and down at explosions from a action movie. It was surreal to watch.

>>152941038
I fucking hate marvel vs dc bullshit these motherless niggers always bullshitting "muh releaae snyder cut" "muh Joe lusso is Steven sphilberg of our decade!" "muh joss whedon dindu nuffin wrong!" for fucking shitty decade, not to mention they glazed, clapped, yelled "kinoooooooooo" like fucking christmas miracle when Snyder's daughter killed herself, what a fucking shitskin behaviour, I'm fucking tired, I want to erase these human failures muttbreads from human gen pool, I simply want to stomp marvel vs dc niggers baby's head and put it into their mother's uterus, and then after I gouge out uterus alive only to shoving it into marvel vs nigger fanboy niggers eyehole, and I will fucking cut out his balls only to shoving it into other marvel vs dc nigger fanboya eyehole, I want to fucking kill all of them, scoop out their balls&eyeballs, fucking rape after cutting piece marvel vs dc fangirls, fucking skin alive after burn them alive
Sneed

>>152945713
>minor issues
>>152948150
>Hey, the movie isn't for everyone.
Yeah it's not for anyone with two brain cells to rub together.

All downhill from here...

>>152948150
>So across three separate occasions he gave slightly different framings. Seems like a lot of the plotholes people have with the film are in Snyder's deleted scenes
No, it’s still a plothole because he doesn’t do anything about the cries for help anyway he goes off to literally murder someone instead of just saving his mom. It sounds like something Snyder just pulled out of his ass to try and explain something they didn’t think of and, Snyder being Snyder, came up with something retarded.

>>152941038
The best movie ever

>>152941038
The live threads were some of the funniest shit.

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>AAAAAAAAAAH IM ON FIRE HELP ME MURDERMAN
>These puny humans...breaking my aura farming.

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>>152945494
Old man had the right idea

>>152946759
It was dumb to let Marvel do a cinematic universe before them

>>152945494
I remember little kids crying at the Superman funeral, and parents taking them out.

>>152949857
Got any screencaps? What was the general /co/nsensus?
>>152949920
Christ i cant believe i used to defend this shit

>>152941170
I don't even think this is bad. It's just to remind her of the conversation they had

>>152941038
remember when batman couldn't fucking aim his grappling hook and smashed himself onto a wall trying to dodge doomsday?

>>152948064
>The problem with Batman v Superman is that too much shit happens for no real logical reason.
This.

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the Martha scene

>>152948150
I like it but it wasn't that good.

>>152948150
>stories of his feats/trials/tribulations are well known
stories that were never presented to the audience

>>152945572
>>152945623
>>152945635
Force Awakens did all that Last Jedi did first, but most people were swayed by the honeymoon period hype

It also arguably was the root of media grifting alongside 2016 Ghostbusters, before Last Jedi exacerbated things

Synder the type of visionary to make the 2 most famous heroes draw less money than Aquaman

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>>152951629
Id argue the signs were there and some people pointed them out but alot of people (me included) thought they were exaggerating. When TFA came out i was dealing with my own personal issues and actually thought the movie was mid as fuck too but i thought it sucked for non culture war reasons then and i also thought the people online saying their was some hidden political agenda behind the sequels were hysterical and over reacting. Little did i know they were right about some of it at least and TLJ really hit audiences over the head with KK's feminist swill "the force is female" crap and the rest is history. I really dont understand why they doubled down on all that SJW shit when all it did is make men go further and further right wing and crazier and crazier to everyones detriment. Its literally these bitched fault for the state we are in now because they couldn't take the fucking L and stop with their feminist take over of male franchises, they just couldnt help themselves and now everything is fucked because of their hubris and ego.

>>152951686
That requires some sort of anti-talent

>>152945437
Welcome to life little zoomzoom bro? Hate to break it to ya, but that's kinda how it's gonna keep going. Find solace in the cyclical nature of reality.

Why exactly was a piss jar needed in a batman movie

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How many solid movies in your opinion has Snyder actually made?
Also, I feel like Snyder was made to do a DBZ movie

>>152948003
>Logically speaking if Superman was genuinely fighting Batman to the death it’d be over in two seconds.
It'd be over faster than that, Supes can keep up with the Flash.
<insert Atto-second meme>

>>152951894
Just 300

>>152951894
>snyder making an entire sequence full of emotions and messages about climate change with goku charging the spirit bomb
fund it

>>152941038
It took itself seriously, and that's what no other superhero movie did

>>152952462
>Constant jokes of Chi Chi's name also meaning boobs
>Piccolo telling Nappa his head looks like a human penis
>Multiple slow motion scenes of Goku's bare ass training or showering
>Vegeta pulls his own tail off to prove to Goku he can beat him without turning giant
This is the kind of random shit he would add to the movie

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then it's really weird that I just read this today

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>>152952752
Id argue MCU slop didnt take itself seriously enough, but DCEU movies went too far in the other direction and tried to to take themselves way too seriously. It also doesnt help that MCU humor 9/10 is fucking unfunny and cringe as hell to sit through so thats why i imagine how snyder DC films have their defenders no matter how bad they can get.

>>152941059
I love that song!
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIKajSQ9DB0

>>152948370
>Rest in piss
Did you mean rest in Granny's peach tea? :^)

>>152951894
it says a lot that his supposed best movie, dawn of the dead, is still considered mid

>>152951894
Sucker Punch

>>152946848
>Except in the very next scene he's right back to murdering thugs left and right
a lot of fags fellate this as the best live action Batman scene, I was like: "you're against the clock, you fucking Fatso! stop wasting time and just neutralize those thugs and SAVE FUCKING MARTHA!"

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>>152953784
But anon it looks just like le arkham games and is bad azz

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>>152951894
Ill still defend watchmen as a good movie but some people want my head on a plate for that opinion

>>152945713
>still one the best DC films ever produced
I love the movie too because of how ridiculous and dumb it is but let's not get crazy now. It's Batman and Robin tier.

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>>152954140
No its not, at least batman and robin knew it wanted to be campy 60s tv show batman but for the grunge era. Batman and robin was legit better then batman v superman. Also mr freeze was legit cool in it.

>>152954174
I like them both for the same reasons.

The Ultimate Cut with the IMAX aspect ratio scenes restored is peak.

>>152954466
You reminded me on how in the extended ultimate cut they show how the human trafficker who got the bat brand of justice got shanked to death in prison. And i just find it infinitely amusing that Jefferey Epstein was apparently super fucking hyped to see batman V superman dawn of justice so much so he nagged one of his cronies to preorder tickets. So i would kill to be a fly in the theater during that screening just to see the big steins reaction to batfleck's first scene being about ben affleck batman mercilessly beating up and branding a sex trafficker.

>>152951894
Dawn of the Dead, Sucker Punch and Guardians of Ga'Hoole

>>152951888
R kelly moment?

>>152947752
>This is so fucking gay.
says the flaming homosexual

>>152941038
It was one of the worst theater experiences I ever had, and the Suicide Squad later that year was somehow even fucking worse. Rest in Piss, DCEU.

>>152954022
Because it's not a good movie and an awful adaption since it completely misunderstands the thing it's adapting.

>>152954536
>>152953757
Sucker Punch is fucking awful, by what fucking metric is it a solid movie?

>>152954466
I'm not watching three hours of a shitty movie

>>152956832
well... its a movie
and its not liquid, nor gas...

How do you fuck up a movie with BATMAN AND SUPERMAN in it at the same time?

>>152957437
You hire Zack Snyder to make it

>>152957437
Superman has always been a media deadweight.

>>152941038
Man of Steel Made more than Gunns Superman

>>152957602
By a tit hair and was in theaters twice as long as Gunn's Superman. Ignoring the literal world changing events since Man of Steel that greatly impacted the movie business and the theater business, Gunn's Superman also didn't completely crater its second weekend like Man of Steel did, meaning Gunn's Superman connected with audiences where Snyder's Man of Steel did not.

>>152957602
And Captain Marvel made more than Batman V Superman, the movie we're actually talking about here.

Reminder the ZS trilogy gets more fans each year, while the core MCU 30 or so movies get more and more detractors.
Eventually only people interested in marketing and finances will talk about the MCU phenomenon. Right now from 30 movies, people can only agree that IM1, Winter soldier and IW were good, then maybe you have an indididual preference, but from 30 movies, only 3 are good.

Sorry, these are the first 10 years, ZS trilogy will only get more and more love as time passes.

Also while it doesnt surprise me (since all villains in the gunn pedo universe are "le lame white male") the fact they tried to repeat the autistic tech bro with issues from BvS, should have go for either smallville or DCAU like Lex.

BvS Lex is less pathethic and more demonic than Superman 2025. In 2025, Lex is cucked by Olsen. In BvS Olsen is executed before the movie even starts by Lex, making impossible the NTR cuck plot. For once in BvS is written as smart instead of just a retard.

Also, it combines elements from the golden age, redhead scientist schizo, with modern ones like tech mogul with government contacts. Great job.

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>>152957657
>meaning Gunn's Superman connected with audiences where Snyder's Man of Steel did not
Is this a joke? we are getting waves and waves of toys of MoS, BvS and ZSJL every quarter. Meanwhile they didnt even finish the basic ass mcfarlane figures for the movie. Guy, hawkgirl never got a fucking figure. And most of the toys kaiju baby, baby joey and impossible to sell, Complete shelf warmers.

We got 2 waves of BvS last year, the batmobile crowfunding was completed in just 3 days, its supposed to take weeks, and even the shit Jared Leto Mcfarlane crowdfunding finished and sold out immediately.

Now look at next releases from inart, fondjoy, etc. No one is releasing more Superman 2005 shit, most brands only did Lex and Superman, but in 2026 they ARE ALL DOING BVS AGAIN

>>152941265
The action and the fighs were better in the Murderman movies. It seems Gunn is unable to direct a comic fight.

>>152957326
What metric is it anything approaching a GOOD movie then?

>>152959170
>Reminder the ZS trilogy gets more fans each year
And India has the biggest population by country, that doesn't indicate quality.

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>>152959435
>The action and the fighs were better in the Murderman movies.
Oh yeah i could totally tell who was punching who in snyderfag movies when everything was a badly rendered CG shade of gray

>>152959224
And?

>>152959224
>We got 2 waves of BvS last year, the batmobile crowfunding was completed in just 3 days, its supposed to take weeks, and even the shit Jared Leto Mcfarlane crowdfunding finished and sold out immediately.
Yes we know theres over a billions people over in India, i get it anon

>>152959697
>i could totally tell who was punching who in snyderfag movies
You can

>>152959435
That baseball stadium fight mogged Snyder's fight scenes

>>152959224
I meant with general audience, not hardcore nerds who are going to drop $30-$100 on a toy (not making fun, I have a whole wall of the McFarlane DC Multiverse figures in my house). The -general audience-, the ones who actually fuel ticket sales, took more to Gunn's Superman than they did Snyder's. The -general audience- did not like Batman v Superman, they're not the ones creating head canons to explain all the plot holes in that movie, they're the ones going 'that movie sucked'.

>>152959833
The Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/Doomsday fight in Batman vs Superman is the ugliest, most incomprehensible, CGI slop I've ever seen. Tbf I haven't seen Ant Man Quantumania which did look worse but I can't say for sure since I haven't seen it. But that fight looked fucking awful. Also Batman literally hits Superman with a kitchen sink. How the fuck can you defend that much on-the-nose metaphor?

>>152951737
Being wholely fair to 13, Strong Woman wasn't really the major scuff (sure it turned away more people than it should've). Her "companion" was 3 stock standard ambitiousless nobodies for her to cart around and give Magic School Bus kiddy lessons to. The show itself was already weakening but good god they did her no favors. I think the spy episode is the only good she ever got.

>>152954536
>Guardians of Ga'Hoole
Abysmal if you loved the books.

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>>152960643
Now that im older and not just seething with rage over the fact they made the doctor a woman right after the last jedi and that one christmas special where they lectured about how the first doctor was a sexist chud, i can say that i dont dislike the idea of the doctor being a woman but chibnall is a fucking hack and like you said there were too many companions and they were fucking shit characters on their own too. Also the timeless child arc is the most blatant attempt at a writer forcing their own lame shitty fanfiction into a major franchise ive ever seen. Chibs should be castrated on live television for that alone.

>>152945623
>Thinking the Last Jedi was the start of this nonsense.
Have you ever heard of Gamergate?

>>152960840
Gamergate was the beginning but TLJ wad the watershed moment where people outside of the internet became aware of fourth wave feminist shit ruining male media and the ensuing culture war got really fucking bad. Outside of like /v/tards and internet users no one cared about gamergate because especially back then most adults and boomers especially didnt play vidya slop to the obnoxious overwhelming degree society does now.The last jedi is the moment the culture war actually spiked and became really inescapable because by that point only fucking internet neckbeards cared about video games, but almost every male in america cares about star wars.

>>152960840
Five Guys: Burgers and Fries

>>152961032
Truthfully, while I've never rewatched it since the first time, I never got any dislike by way of an "ew men" vibe. I just thought it was boring filler dogshit like they were trying to waste time before the third part, to justify being a trilogy. I mean the whole movie is a chase scene that never really feels like it. Only lasting thoughts I got from it was that Poe's... ex? friend? Was kind hot in her helmet, and the lightspeed attack looked cool. I did think they made Poe an idiot but I probably didn't find that standout since it wasn't surrounded by any better character work.

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>>152961270
>Only lasting thoughts I got from it was that Poe's... ex? friend? Was kind hot in her helmet
Oh you mean that cool and hot character they did absolutely nothing with? Shes in the following movie not the last jedi.

I feel like the whole admiral holdo character was a stand in for KK and her arc was just a mansplaining is le bad lesson in a fucking star wars movie. Also they dragged luke through the fucking mud just so they could prop up leis for grrls get it done shit, lmao my ass off when carrie fisher died and threw a huge wrench in their plans for that shit.

Again im not as much of a rabid misogynist as i used to be anymore, but this cancer literally ruined not only cinema but american and global politics from the worst butterfly effect imaginable.

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>>152961336
>Oh you mean that cool and hot character they did absolutely nothing with? Shes in the following movie not the last jedi.
Oh shit really? I could've sworn she helped out in that stupid "let's go behind Pinky's back because she's needlessly not telling us anything for stakes" mission. I kinda like Cool Nobodies though for Star Wars. Like Boba Fett and Phasma.

>>152962924
I loved phasma because big buff mommy in cool armor and i HATED how they kept using her getting wasted as a cheap gag and then didnt even bring her back for the final movie. Fuck these people are so incompetent they fuck over even the one new female character that actually is cool. I hate these hack faggots.

>>152961336
>Is just an incredible bitch to Poe for no reason
If they added a scene where she thinks that there's a spy onboard then I would be like alright, I guess she has a reason to be wary of everyone. She was just angry at him for nothing

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>>152962972
>She was just angry at him for nothing
Holdo was angry at poe for being a cis male and how he did not immediately committing suicide when he was in her presence as holdo was a big proponent of the scum manifesto.

>>152962972
I only watched last Jedi once and that was when it came out ten years ago but didn’t they mention something about a mole or traitor on board? I remember thinking in the theater “oh that must be why Holdo isn’t telling her plan” but then it’s just never brought up again

>>152961032
I think things were always trending towards more awareness of culture stuff, especially with nerd stuff being in such a rut from self proclaimed fans of the thing. Gamergate was the bubbling up of that culture of neckbeards losing out to the casuals in focus. Everything after that is paid agitators because rich people realized they can manipulate that reaction and get a bunch of power and money off of it. One or two bad movies doesn't cause something like this. Always look at the money. Also fuck Bendis

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>>152941038
>Got beat by Zootopia

>>152964127
I believe Benico Del Toro's character betrayed them in movie after they found him on the casino planet

>>152945536
Personally, my life was doing pretty good up until mid-2024. I got laid off, and everything has been utter shit since.

>>152965434
Sorry to hear that, anon. I’ve been there, just gotta keep on truckin’ and rebuild

>>152941059
I never got why this was so bad, i thought this film made Batman out to be kind of looney and more psychotic. He wants to save Martha Kent because he internalized it as saving his momma.

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>>152941038
Just 10? Feels like it's been way longer...

>>152968262
Hannah Montana turned 20 recently. That do anything for you?

>>152941038
>it was 10 years ago today
>Zack Snyder taught the band to play
>they've been going really out of style
>it's the last big movie for a while
>so may I introduce to you
>some crap about two fighting freaks?
>Zack Snyder's Batman and Superman

>>152947217
Holy shit that's a lot of coping
>Superman being miserable is the thesis
Yes, Snyder doesn't understand the character, we know

>>152949920
Defend this, Snyderfag

>>152956832
It's really fun if you're stoned

>>152941170
>Writes Riddler
>Calls him Luthor
Why

>>152966563
Because it's really goofy. They spend like an hour fighting then when Batman's beaten Superman (?!) Superman randomly starts talking about someone named Martha. Then Lois runs in out of no where going 'that's his mommy!' It genuinely trumps Darth Vader's 'noooooo!' in terms of sheer cinematic goofiness that's supposed to be taken seriously.

>>152969105
A lot of things that aren't normally fun are fun when stoned, that's not really a compliment.

>>152971226
>A lot of things that aren't normally fun are fun when stoned
Weed only works that way if you're low-IQ. Embarrassing for you.

>>152971276
Only the low IQ would use weed in the first place so it's a moot point.

>>152956832
It's got fun little stories nestled together, and enjoyable music and action. The designs are nice too. It's not high cinema but I didn't leave regretting it.

>>152971563
I remember being really hyped for Man of Steel at its initial inception with post-Dark Knight, pre-Dark Knight Rises seemingly taking the reigns and I had been waiting at that point more than twenty years for a good new Superman movie. But then they announced Zack Snyder was directing it and, remembering how awful Watchmen was, my hype turned to caution. Sucker Punch came out shortly after it was announced Snyder would be directing MoS. I left the theater after seeing Sucker Punch with any hope for Man of Steel completely replaced by crushing despair.

>>152971563
It's a mess of a movie with shitty acting and shitty action because it's all CGIslop. The stories don't hold up individually (for fuck's sake, the little animated shorts they did to promote each set piece had more story) and they have no business being together.

>>152971648
>post-Dark Knight, pre-Dark knight Rises Christopher Nolan

>>152971658
I still don’t think I understand sucker punch. So reality was the nut house, blonde girl’s fantasy was the bordello, and when she had to dance she added another layer of fantasy with the fight scenes?

>>152971736
There's nothing to understand really, Snyder made the movie entirely based on what he thought was cool so it ends up a disjointed mess without any substance beyond wanting a certain aesthetic.

when you understand the themes and why this movie tries so hard to be something above is when you discover how big of a hack snyder is.
this movie is basically "from the people that saw Excalibur"

>>152971890
>why this movie tries so hard to be something above
I think this is the worst part of the movie which elevates it from just plain 'bad' to 'complete abomination'. It was transparently trying so hard to be 'grown up' and 'mature' and telling the audience 'see? We're SERIOUS! We're for ADULTS not like that silly MCU!' that everything else, like being entertaining, just went completely out the window

>>152972061
MCU can't be taken seriously because it refuses to, DCU can't be taken seriously because it insists on it.

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I still genuienly think, had he removed the knightmare shit and focused on the actual movie, it would've been so much better, not the best as shills try to put it. Just better.
Shit is so fucking stupid, why make a point on hyping up a project there was no current faith in? Why paint it as "Batman's dream" only to be visions of a future that go unexplained, like how the fuck would he understand what the giant ass Omega sign means, and what the fuck was a parademon. At least in the Marvel equivalent of that scene it makes sense because it's not entirely a vision, but Tony's fears after the Battle of NY

I fucking hate that scene so much.

When there was great consternation that the Snyder cut must be released because that'd be the *good* version, did the original glazers push against it saying it's already a masterpiece? Or did they adapt to a "we'll see the even better version" take?

>>152969068
>Actually, in nearly 100 years of Superman comics, Superman has never once been depressed or in anguish! He's never been conflicted at all! And his personality has never, ever changed!

>>152973788
I've been reading Superman comics all my life and while I haven't read every single one I've never once read one where Superman says something even close to "no one stays good in this world" or "if I wanted it you'd be dead already" or "_ is dead. Bury it. Consider this mercy"

>>152973543
This. The entire Knightmare scene adds nothing to the movie and takes up valuable run time that could've been used to better flesh out the plot and why the characters are doing what they're doing. But no, we need a fifteen minute music video that makes sense to no one outside comic nerds and even then it still doesn't make sense.

>>152973655
Personally I don't remember it being a demand for an extended cut like JL since we didn't know about the 40 extra mins, and the Ultimate version was announced only a couple of months after the film hit theaters.

>>152973655
No, it was more the defenders were like 'when the director's cut comes out it's going to explain all these plot holes and all you detractors are going to look like idiots! Snyder's full vision will be a masterpiece!' then the director's cut came and and was essentially the same movie just with forty extra superfluous minutes that added nothing to the actual plot and really didn't needed to be put back in. When people didn't change their mind on the movie you got the zealots that we have to this day.

>>152949992
No you don't.

>>152973971
>"I can hear everything… every cry for help… and I can’t answer them all." - Superman: Secret Identity

>"What if I can’t protect them? What if I never could?" - Superman: For Tomorrow

>"If you continue… I will stop you." - Superman/Batman #3

>"Don’t make me be the man who stops holding back." - Superman #22

>"You think this ends with you? It never ends." - Action Comics #775

And that's just a few mainline. Superman has internal conflict, Superman has been shown to feel anger, depression, sadness, and a whole slew of other emotions. Sure, the story usually ends on a hopeful note, but he has shown a range of emotions in the comics and in movies, television, radiodramas, etc, long before Snyder's version.

Hell, the majority of MoS is just For Tomorrow mixed with Earth-One.

>>152974286
None of those lines reach anywhere near how dark and Terminator-like the lines in the post you're reply to are

>>152974412
I don't think any of the lines are particularly dark to begin with, especially within the context of the scenes.

Like, Superman lands, tries to plead with Batman to talk to him, listen to what he has to say, and Batman just keeps attacking him. Supes has enough of it, pushes him around a few times, and then says the whole "If I wanted it" on the roof, hoping Batman would stop and listen, maybe realize that Superman could indeed kill him in an instant.

>>152941170
Lex is pretty much the only thing the movie really landed. This weird take on him actually worked surprisingly well and had some interesting points to it.

>>152951820
You don't know anything about life.

>>152971276
>>152971311
Virgins.

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>this whole thread

>>152941038
Probably the worst piece of shit I've watched in a theater

>>152945623
I didn't see TLJ
Is there anything about these dykes other than one is a chink and one's got retarded hair?
Cause ethnics and retarded hair have been in Star Wars since TESB
Idk why these two would ruin everything

>>152975111
It was those two plus the entire film attempting to be a deconstruction of the SW mythos. Just for starters, the grand return of Luke Skywalker to theaters after 30 years had him be a nihilistic, borderline suicidal man. Independently of one's own opinion on the matter, it came as a genuine shock for a arge portion of the fanbase.

>>152975336
>It was those two plus the entire film attempting to be a deconstruction of the SW mythos
wtf did they do though

>>152960038
Merch is more important than tickets. Also,ticket sales can be influenced to some extent by reviews and shills. Merch cannot. You buy it if you like it. Thats why Fynns toys never sold. Thats why Superman 2025 merch never sold shit. And thats why unironically the reason the Gunnverse will be cancelled.

>>152957657
Adjust by inflation and count tickets. MoS sold double the tickets, and still sells merch to this days.

>>152975363
Subvert the common tropes in SW in order to push a new narrative for the saga. It's literally the anti-TFA, whereas that film was just an exercise in retread and nostalgiawank, TLJ aims to criticize those very attitudes.
>You want Luke to be a shining example of a Jedi? Here's him as an exile who has abandoned the fight and wants the Jedi to end once and for all
>Expect Snoke to be a Palpatine-type mastermind? Nah just kill him unceremoniously with no real backstory or characterization prior
>Did you spend two years theorizing Rey's lineage since that always bares relevance in these movies? Nope, she's a nobody whose parents were just drunktards who trade her for booze
Among other things.

>>152973543
>>152973996
The weirdest thing about the Knightmare scene is how early into the movie it happens.
>First clear look at Bruce in costume
>First scene of Batman speaking
>Arguably the first proper action scene
>First time showing Batman and Superman interacting in full costumes
>The Flash first appearance, if the normies even realize who is that.
It's the establishing sequence of many important scenes and it's in a chunk of screentime that could be completely cut out of the movie with no problem.

>>152976356
If that’s the case why did WB shitcan Snyder off Justice League after Batman v Superman had the record for biggest second weekend drop in film history?

>>152976385
>muh inflation
There was only twelve years between MoS and Superman that’s not enough time for inflation to affect box office that much, we’re not talking when tickets were a nickel to now, we’re talking tickets being $10 compared to the $12 they are now. And, again, MoS was in theaters twice as long due to Covid changing how long WB’s keeps movies in theaters.

>>152976823
BVS was already underperforming on it's opening weekend alone. The SAturday/Sunday numbers were already unusually lower than usual, the backlash was already clear kek

>>152941038
tryhard garbage

>>152964394
>I think things were always trending towards more awareness of culture stuff, especially with nerd stuff being in such a rut from self proclaimed fans of the thing. Gamergate was the bubbling up of that culture of neckbeards losing out to the casuals in focus.
I dont fully understand what you mean by that
>One or two bad movies doesn't cause something like this.
Why not though? Genuinely curious btw not mad at you or anything.
>>152973996
I mean...i will say the knightmare sequence looks hella cool. The movie was still fucking dog shit though.
>>152975111
I dont mind the asian being asian because i genuinely wanna fuck rose ticos actress, but she cones off as an annoying and preachy bitch who jjst gives moral grandstanding exposition during shit like canto bight scene which just comes off as cringe. Admiral holdo comes off as a bitter man hatting gender studies cunt the entire time shes on screen for no apparent reason however.
>>152976556
>>Did you spend two years theorizing Rey's lineage since that always bares relevance in these movies? Nope, she's a nobody whose parents were just drunktards who trade her for booze
This was literally the only thing i did love about TLJ btw. I never gave a shit about rey and always thought she was a boring overrated cunt so discarding her retarded mystery box origin story bullshit was great. Rian should have his testicles smashed with hammers for what he did to luke and for killing snoke though.

I love watching this movie drunk

>>152978564
Ive seen multiple people ITT say this and i wish i wasnt so disgusted by the taste of alcohol like a fucking s-oyboy faggot to get wasted enough to enjoy snyder cancer.

>>152978703
>I wish I liked the taste of something that tastes bad so that I could enjoy watching something bad to watch
What the fuck anon? Just drink your onions and live in peace. You're not missing much. If anything you're gaining.

My father's fist and abominations.

>>152974286
None of those lines sound anything like >>152973971

>>152974576
They are fucking edgy man

>>152959170
>Reminder the ZS trilogy gets more fans each year, while the core MCU 30 or so movies get more and more detractors.
Both are fucking líes.

>>152959435
its this cameraman or cinematographer he workedd with on guardians 3 as well he does all like shakycam mocumentary style stuff

>>152959170
Do people really pretend ZSJL was actually good?

>>152979733
its not what people wanted at the time so they failed to notice the good aspects. And everything seems to be getting worse by the year. theyre just comparing it to the recent new stuff.