>those with power should restraint and not go off killing and destroying just cause they feel like itWhy is this board so catastrophically bad at actually getting the point of this movie?
BECAUSE COMICS ARE FOR CHILDREN!!YOU DUMB PIECE OF SHIT!!
>>152945214Autism, power-level wankery, and no social interactions eat your soul.
>>152945227Stfu, faggot
>>152945214Because everyone here if they were given super powers would want to abuse them and go full homelander mode and are mad Superman told Manchester black to grow upT. Someone who absolutely would go full psycho if given super powers but is self aware enough to admit it
>>152945214 Manchester did nothing wrong by killing Atomic Skull, and Superman is an asshole to and looks down on manchester for it. Which means he also likely sees Law Enforcement and soldiers who kill in the name of saving lives the same way.
>>152945317Did they ever bring back atomic skull or did he stay dead in the comics?
>>152945214The notion that someone with magical superpowers, allowing them to beat up anyone they like can be considered 'just' when acting on their own is completely childish.Superman is not accountable to the American justice system. He has no warrant to arrest, no right to judge, he is completely unelected. He just goes around doing what he wants. He isn't a symbol of justice, he's just a thug who seems to be vaguely good, but that's not good enough.What happens if the American people elect Lex Luthor? Of their own democratic will? Will Superman lay down his hate and accept the democractically elected leader? Will he follow the law?
>>152945396>Superman is not accountable to the American justice system. He has no warrant to arrest, no right to judge, he is completely unelected. He just goes around doing what he wants. He isn't a symbol of justice, he's just a thug who seems to be vaguely good, but that's not good enough.Nice fanfiction
>>152945414What are you talking about, that's just a statement of what Superman isHe doesn't have police written across his back, and yet he arrests people.He doesn't have a license to practice law and yet he judges peopleIn a civilised country we do things by the book. Laws are written into stone, plain for all to see, not the whims of some flying dude.
>>152945351His death is only in the movie, Manchester killed a no name original supervillain in the comic.
>>152945443Nice cope.
>>152945414>>152945396The JLU cartoon handled the idea of how Superheroes should use their powers in a much more nuanced way than Superman Vs The Elite did.Superman: "We would never go against the government!"Question: "What if Luthor was the government?"
>>152945467Just taking their word for it is not enough.If they wish to be considered just under the government, then they must accept their place as underneath the law.Give the US access to kryptonite that they may legally use against Superman if he breaks the law. If Superman wishes to arrest people, he must become a police officer, and behave exactly as a police officer does, to the letter.
>>152945214>Manchester black doesn’t beg for his life>asserts that Superman surrenders his life and admits that Superman is the strongest and thus has the right to take his lifeHow would this have gone?
>>152945522>If Superman wishes to arrest people, he must become a police officer, and behave exactly as a police officer does, to the letter.And what if the government tells him to start committing war crimes in the middle east? Should he just shrug his shoulders say 'can't be helped' and start cooking terrorists with his heat beams?
>>152945597If it is legal, it is just. That's how democracy works.
>>152945214That's not it. The Elite weren't killing people because they felt like it, they were killing bad people because nobody else could and the bad people would never stop. The counter point was Superman saying anything up to killing people is fine. Manchester Black was right because in comics the bad guys infinitely escape and in real life because the law doesn't apply to the rich and politically protected.
>>152945286Speak for yourself. I'd just make life easier for myself and kill child molesters.
>>152945214The question of course is how you define "restraint" and of course meta-textual problems i.e. "The Joker keeps escaping to kill another 1000 people" problem. Like almost all systems of morality agree that if you have the ability to do good/prevent evil you should do it (That's what "With great power comes great responsibility" means). But of course no one entirely agrees on the exact definitions of good/evil. Like most people would agree that if you're the only person with the power to stop GigaCyberMegaOmegaDeathHitler from pressing the "kill all the innocent babies and puppies" button, and the only way to stop him was kill him, then you killing him was entirely justified. But some writers will take the absurd stance that killing even in this comically lopsided situation is somehow an "abuse of power" and "taking the law into your own hands". A lot of writers just can't handle nuance and either go full pacifism over morality, or full "killing is the first and optimal solution to every problem" edgelordism.
>>152945760God you sound as cringe as those pred hunters when they act like internet tough guys on social media. You'd just do it for the clout or attention.
>>152945820>you sound as cringeOk? It's the current year.
>>152945621Faggot
>>152945847>It's the current year.Okay john oliver
>>152945899>calling me British Might as well just spit in my mouth.
>>152945214Because /co/ is retarded
>>152945214because they did it wrong
>>152945214>those with power should restraint and not go off killing and destroying just cause they feel like itThat also means doing nothing useful and wearing underwear over your pants, like Superman.
>>152945899Holy shit, Americans are so cringeworthy
>>152945214I get the point, the problem is that there's no nuance. Should the Elite go around decapitating governments? Hell no, but they shouldn't be the villains for killing off pychos with superpowers like Atomic Skull. The movie is very explicit that Superman wasn't getting the job done but then at the very end we're supposed to think everything will be okay because the status quo has been maintained.
>>152945214>those with power should restraint and not go off killing and destroying just cause they feel like it>why?>because I said so and I'm stronger
>>152945573That's the question cowardly writers don't want to answer; the villain must always be a hypocrite because they don't know how to prove the hero is right.
>>152945214Because Superman is basically saying, "Do things my way because I might go crazy and kill you."What kind of bullshit lesson is that?!
>>152945621Lel if the last few years have proven anything its how much of a joke democracy is and how most of the sheep masses are too stupid to be allowed to vote at all.>>152946033>>152947626To be fair i only made that post as it was an easy joke.
>>152947626>AmericansRent-free.
>literacy, not even "muh media literacy", but actual basic literacy on this site degenerated to the point the discourse surrounding this comic/movie on this shitass board went from "did they really have to escalate the Elite from vigilantes who only killed dangerous criminals to puppy killers and dangerous loose cannons who killed innocents in process and didn't give a shit just to hammer the point" to "wErE tHe ElItE aCtUaLlY wRoNg ThO"Did anyone in this thread actually read the comic or watch the movie? The introduction of Elite had them smoke super-powered terrorists in Lybia/Pokolists ... alongside with the army that was fighting them. When they were dealing with corrupt Men in Black, they were willing to "pour acid" on their innocent families just to send a message (on top of killing the actual perps, natch). When Superman was kicking their asses in the movie, Black was willing to obliterate the city full of innocents just to get an advantage over him. The movie even had a scene where one of them murders a dog because it was annoying them - a literal puppy kicking scene. Yes, they WERE fucking assholes who needed to be taken down. It would be a different story if they gave a shit about collateral damage and actually took the effort to only kill whoever needed to be killed - but in that case the writers wouldn't have had a leg to stand on and the comic book logic that requires villain to stay alive to sell future books wouldn't hold up, so they had to portray the Elite as puppy kickers so that Superman has an objective moral high ground and not actually address the actual main problem.
>>152945899>>152946033>>152948462Why are brownoids so obsessed with Britain?
>>152945214They didn't pay attention in English class.They're the kind of people that think The Great Gatsby is about rich people partying.
>>152945286It saddens me that on /co/ of all boards no one says they'd go Miracleman.
>>152945214>just cause they feel like itRight, those with the ability to do so must kill "people" who deserve it because it is the right thing to do
>>152947641For fuck's sake. Have you kids never heard that if you want rights you'll have to defend bastards?Principles and the rule of law don't exist if you suspend them whenever it's convenient
>>152945522> If Superman wishes to arrest people, he must become a police officer, and behave exactly as a police officer does, to the letter.Sometimes they are deputized and have special privileges as a type of Special Agent kind of similar to how OSI operates in Venture Brothers. The Adam West cartoon did a good job of this with Batman and that Lois and Clark show that was on CW recently had Superman touching base with the military regularly to get Intel from them. There's another way that it could easily be addressed, though, which is basically to just have some kind of Superhero Act be passed that legalizes their actions since the law is just whatever legislation says it is. Depending on how nerdy you want to be about it you could even say they had both Presidential and two-third majority Senate support and got a 28th Amendment passed which would supercede most of not all other laws, especially if you really wanted to be uber-nerdy about it and say it got challenged up to the Federal Supreme Court and they ruled in favor of the Supes, setting a precedent into common law as well. At that point it's just how things are from now on.That being said I kind of prefer it if things are done more how Ditko Spider-Man or where he wasn't really arresting people or working with the cops, he was mostly just stumbling on people that were too powerful to be subdued by the cops, whooping them a bit, then skedaddling before they could question him. At that point it's essentially the same as of he had wandered into a bar fight or walked into a lamppost before getting arrested. Sometimes he'd web up random burglars, too, but it was mostly just preventing them from escaping. You could say they claimed they were kidnapped and planted there to frame them, but at that point it's up to a judge if he wants to believe them because it's still not Spidey acting in lieu of a cop he's just basically locking a door on them in a more extravagant fashion.
>>152945317Yup, Superman looks down on law enforcement and military that kills people that surrendered. That checks out.
>>152945396There's a thing called citizen's arrest, retard. Superman can fully legally subdue someone committing a crime and deliver him to the police.
>>152950724Even if that person was Osama Bin Laden?
More like>real tangible change is really only possible via use of forceEven superman believes this. Hence why he fights darkseid instead of entering diplomatic negotiations every time he invades earthAlso why no credible person believes negotiation will stop Russia invading Ukraine.
>>152950593I would. Miracleman is the best superhero ever.
>>152950743>>152950593>>152945286
>>152945597I feel like this should be explored more. My first thought is: just because they're acting as a police officer doesn't mean they can make them do that. Like, police officers can't be deployed to war in the middle east or anywhere else: their civil servants who often work for the state government, they're not military personnel nor due they work for the Feds so in that sense it should be just fine for some of them to still be cops. I actually really like that aspect of the Adam West Batman and even My Hero Academia. It feels more wholesome and high trust. Especially, when you think about it I feel like everyone always assumes the hero is going to be a Superman type of hero. I'm sure a lot of others could also be useful for that but a majority of heroes wouldn't be fit for that at all. I feel like there should be some heroes that are also just ok with the idea of being military personnel or that even commit international terrorist acts trying to do what they think is right.
>>152947626And yet you eat potatoes and tomatoes? Curious.
>>152950760How can the Justice League and the Avengers even compete?
>>152945597>>152950761Superman doesn't want to be a dog of the state any more than he wants to supercede the state
>>152950593I havent read miracleman to be brutally honest. I probably should by now
>>152948578Ultimately the main problem with What's so Funny is that it's the writer being salty about the Authority and making unfocused, strawman commentary about them while accidentally writing a good narrative about how "might makes right" is only an appealing philosophy for the kind of people who think they'll always be top dog. The story's best element is made in spite of it's intention.
>>152950797I was speaking from a more general perspective
>>152945255>>152945863Gtfo, sperg.>>152945466Nice arrest
