DC is really crushing them with Batman, DC KO, and the Absolute Universe.Plus they have the two top artists in the industry in Dan Mora and Jorge Jimenez.What can Marvel do to fight back, is it time for a full reboot?
>>152962835You dont save it, Marvel deserves to perishDC master race all day baby
>>152962835Public hanging of editorial group
>>152962835Only way to save it is get rid of all the wokies. That won't work, Marvel will just hire more. You can't save Marvel. They have to be willing to admit they're wrong and change course. Much like a woman, all of their problems are self-imposed.
>>152962835Make good comics.
I honestly have no idea what's happening at Marvel right now.All I know is there's a Doom event that literally no one is reading or talking about and Spider-man was in space.
>>152962835You need to delete editorial unironically. Clean house, clean slate. Its not just the shitting over characters, the status quos or making them unusable. Its not just the crappy synergy or industry planted DEI characters. They genuinely cannot make a comic. There is no leadership or demand to produce anything worth a damn, just shitting out a product to flood shelves.
Marvel deserves to dieLow balling creators worse than DC, worse royalty structure than DC, cheaping out on printing quality compared to DCDeliberate flood-the-market strategy that values quantity over quality. Deliberate rage-baiting of the audienceBandwagon hopping on trends for 80 years going back to the days of Martin GoodmanSlop fodder for the genuinely evil Disney corporationLet them burn
>>152962835Marvel still sold more comics because they publish more series
>>152962835make spider-man gay?
>>152962835Marvel cannot fight back. Marvel cannot save themselves. Marvel will continue to deteriorate and lose money until they bottom out unless they completely get rid of editorial. Fire Zeb WellsFire Tom Brevoort Fire Nick LoweAnd then we can get to work on the writers and artists who are dogshit too like Cody ZiglarFire
>>152962835Go back in time to gatekeep Quesada.
I won't list all his accomplishments but I recently read a bit of what happened between him and Brevoort. We probably will never hear the whole truth...as I do kinda see Shooter sometimes is a bit too confident sounding in a lot of what he says but Brevoort also is distorted a lot too. I mean I'm more inclined to believe Chad Big Jim but there's always two sides.https://tombrevoort.substack.com/p/171-big-jim/commentsIf you scroll down you'll see someone has commented on this and provided more of Shooter's side and some quotes.
>>152962835If the MCU and Rivals couldn't save it, nothing can.
Give Star Wars, Aliens and Predator back to Dark Horsegive all of the archives to FantagraphicsLet Abrams keep doing OGNs with Alex RossGive the license for the 616 to Dynamite or IDW
>>152962835Absolute is the only thing of theirs that sells. Batman is eternal so it doesn't really count and neither does an event. Marvel sucks, DC sucks, both suck and will continue sucking for reasons that are both easy to change (complete top to bottom cleaning of editorial and in Marvel's case Buckley) and hard (shallow talent pool).
>>152963153The retard fans would still buy it even with that fucking kek
Actually right good Spider-Man
>>152962835You could save Marvel overnight by just firing everyone and replacing them with actual human beings, and de-canonizing most of the last 25-30 years of comics, and make actively trying to harm or devalue the company's characters something that gets you immediately fired and blacklisted, but none of it will ever happen.
>>152962835DC got better when Harras and Didio were fired. They could only fuck up so many times before some suits higher up on the food chain realized that those 2 idiots were the problem. One can only hope same for Marvel.
Fire Dan Slott and Joe Quesada, then immediately have an event that undoes One More Day.
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>>152962835put Mariko Tamaki on the Xmen
>>152967123They don’t work for Marvel anymore.Dan is only on freelance for them on a case-by-case.
>>152963304shooter might have an ego, but tom is an insufferable cunt. there is this cartoon trope of the character who is mischevious, but when faced, makes an innocent face and says "it wasn't me, why would you think it was me doing it"?
Marvel needs to show more sex and drugs.Looking at you Kamala Khan.
There is no "we" here, they can only save themselves and they don't want to.
>>152967111Problem is that the suits in Marvel (Disney) know these shitheads are retards but allow them because the alternative is have non wokies who actually will question why some retarded ideas are allowed by editors
>>152963115>Deliberate rage-baiting of the audienceAnd Absolute Batman didn't do this how?
>>152962835Unironically they need to clean house. Not saying it in "waaah they killed my fav relationship/character" way but in a "the people in charge used up all their ideas 6 years ago and are micromanaging some franchises" way.DC suffered immensely from 2021-2023 due to the firings of various higher ups, but they were able to come back once they cemented themselves and let some creatives tell stories they wanted to tell. Hell 2020/2021 was DC's "need to clean house" era because did you see the 5G shit Didio was attempting to do? Those were the idea of a man who should've retired once Rebirth started to wear off.
>>152969475you're talking out your ass
>>152969532DiDio, Diane Nelson and Harras literally sabotaged rebirth and Johns out of spite, hence the delays on doomsday clock and such that fucked upo the timing on everythingAll because Johns and Snyder wanted to Unfuck New52 and fix the timeline.Also said people put Johns to do the movies, and he put the first Shazam and Aquaman as blockbusters, which pissed off certain people there and they accepted dwaynetty's bribe which killed DC's cinematic universe.
>>152962835>dronies doing a victory lap 10 years ago>now they can't get a serious past 10 issues Lmao don't put your eggs in the Netflix basket retard
>>152970261Dwayne tty’s bribe?
>>152970310The "Black Adam IS THE FACE OF DC" to feed his ego.
>>152962888Not gonna happen.
Kill Carol Danvers, Marvel will thrive if they do
>>152962835>earn billions every year>how do we save marvel
>>152962835hire more young talent. how many of the greats started when they were young? siegel, kirby, romita, ditko, immonen, miller - shooter was 14 when he started. i'm not saying we need to start hiring 14 year olds and screaming at them over the phone weisinger style, but when our hottest young talent is deniz camp, who's easily in his 30s, we have to ask ourselves what we're even doing
As a non Marvel fan just looking in from the outside, it feels like everything Marvel does is designed to be a fuck you to their fans
>>152972438I second this
>>152975269It's the classic boomer hiring practice mentality.They got given a chance at 14 because the old guys at the time knew the importance of initiating the next generation into the workforce. But those same people when they got old themselves didn't carry on that practice. They hate inexperienced workers, want to train nobody. They expect the next Jack Kirby to appear to them at the height of their career, ready to go with no training needed.
>>152972370spiderman's success says otherwise
>>152967111>DC got better when Harras and Didio were fired.No they didn't. The meat and potatos of their company, the mainline books, are still bad because the contintuity is still completely fucked and they have D-list creators pushed higher than their actual talent because there's no real talent in the industry. Absolute sells because normalfags love edgeslop but it's the only thing, aside from Batman, that sells for DC. This isn't a defense of Marvel since Marve is bad right now too but take away Absolute and DC has nothing at all right now and in fact it can probably be said that Absolute is cannibalizing mainline DC.>>152969532Buckley, Cebulski and Brevoort at a minimum need to go. Lowe too but it'd be just as good shuffling him off to Star Wars or Aliens or whatever shit nobody reads.
>>152977849I'm talking quality of comics. After those 2 fuckheads got fired DC became readable again. Waid (who left because of Didio) came back and did Batman/Superman: World's Finest as well as other things. Nightwing (who Didio hated) finally got a break from the godawful Ric Grayson shit. Didio is one of the reasons why there hasn't been DC & Marvel crossover for so long. The man hates the idea of comic books being fun.
>>152979491>The man hates the idea of comic books being fun.I will say this: the crossovers (on the DC side of things) and the Absolute books have at least been fun to read lately.
>>152962835Go back in time & kill Joe Quesada before he could become EiC.
Go nuclear. Pull some Crisis bullshit then cease publication of all new issues and just reprint the old books till you can figure out a real direction.
>>152979768you know what would be the real nuclear option after that? Actually starting over. If i had my way dc/marvel would restart continuity every 10-20 years. that way any new creators would actually be able to tell fresh stories instead of trying to fit into the poisoned well of shit retconned to hell histories of people like the xmen, spiderman etc. Endless continuity is exactly why people have fucked off to manga in mass among other things
>>152979813Most people that read manga have never touched a cape comic book in their entire life
>>152975831except the boomers like kirby trained successful people for the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s. those 80s & 90s people trained new guys for the 00s & 10s. the system worked in marvel for 70 years.the problem is the younger options have 2 ideas. replace the person in the costume with my self insert and/or make them more powerful. that is a great way to lose readers without attracting a new audience, and that is marvels problem. they tried it your way for 17 years, and it failed. the boomers had it right.
>>152979846given the state of comics and the ridiculous points of entry to get into them, why would they especially when this >>152975343 is the prevailing sentiment from the outside looking in?And dont take this as a muh mang is better spergout, comics very well could learn from the shit manga does to get kids into them and perform just as well.
If your reading Marvel post Disassembled you deserve all the suffering you get.
>>152979867Well as someone that didnt read comics until like 3 years ago (i started with indie comics) alot of the problems non readers have with comics is feed by the fact they never read any of it, literally, manga has a ton of readers of people that say comics are bad because of things they heard a guy on a youtube comments saying once and now that they believe is true, i know that because i was that guy. I think alot of people forget that the audience for comic did not really transfer to manga like that, what actually happened is that cape comics were a niche that got surpassed by the manga niche after the pandemic, people that read capes did not stop reading them to be manga only, atleast not most of them.>how do we get kids in itIdk im not a marketing guy, make more things like absolute i guessIronically those youtube reels/tiktoks of people summarizing comic plots is probably introducing alot of people to their first cape comic storylines
