>>152969746
How many times do we have to tell you that they're ALSO the bad guys

>>152969746
there are no good guys

>>152969772
Farsight Enclaves are the good guys.

>>152969746
posts the source so i can watch it without a shithammer plus account

What is this?

>>152969901
Farsight enclaves are just larpers fighting a commie camp in the middle of imperiums cosmos
And their hokage is a vampire and not even the cool vampire

>>152970231
Warhammer

>>152970825
No shit sherlock, I meant what specific piece of media.

>>152970845
Pentinence

>>152969771
>>152969772
The are no good factions, but there are definitely better and worse factions. And the Imperium has the most actual good guys in it.

>le humans are the real evil
fuck self hating misanthropes

>>152970845
space king

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>>152969901
>Farsight Enclaves are the good guys

They're literally a fascist dictatorship where the Fire Warriors run everything. They just don't have the same religious angle as the Imperium.

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>get saved by the Grey Knights
>get slaughtered by the Grey Knights

>unless you're a Sister, in which case he bathes himself in your period blood

>>152969772
Every one fighting litery hell is a good guy

>>152971581
Not that simple. The Imperium makes Chaos stronger just by existing. Basically everything that the Emperor and the Imperium have *ever done* has continuously made Chaos stronger and stronger than ever before.
If you pressed a button and made every human in the galaxy fall over dead, Chaos would immediately become a tiny fraction of its current strength and every other species alive would be better off for it. That isn't even an opinion, thats an in-universe fact.

>>152971636
>a setting where the literal best option is to kill every single human and make them extinct
Sounds exactly like the kind of game that I, a human, would love to play

>>152971636
That's so gay, honestly Chaos has always been the worst parts of both 40k and Fantasy.

>>152971851
Yeah but then the setting would die out because as shown with sales, no one cares about xenos being the main enemy

>>152969746
ARE YOU GOING TO NOT BE A FAGGOT EVER AND TELL US WHAT THIS IS FROM? FUCKING HELL.

>>152971892
Bro >>152970982

>>152971906
>>152970982
nigger, learn to spell Penitence

>>152971851
Chaos was cool in Fantasy, they were crazy demon worshipping vikings.

>>152971964
End Times wasn't cool

The Imperium Cult sucks, what a shock. Sisters should work for Rogue Traders instead.

>>152971927
Sowwy.

>>152971294
>And the Imperium has the most actual good guys in it.
That's because the Imperium has more characters than all other factions combined. They have more good guys but also more bad guys and also more bland guys than anyone else.

>>152971841
Technically you could get away with killing just *most* of humanity across the galaxy to vastly weaken chaos, and then keep humanity bottled up in one very defended solar system for the thousands of years it will take for us to genetically engineer ourselves into psychic supermen who no longer are easy food sources to parasitic warp entities.

But you can't possibly do that with an empire of thousands of trillions of people spread across a million star systems. Even if you managed to evolve some people into psychic superhumans, the rest of mankind would be dragging us and the galaxy down.

Given that if chaos gets strong enough the entire universe gets shattered like glass and the pieces sink into the warp, a broken reality with no hope of order ever being restored as our souls are the eternal playthings of mad and cruel gods, the consequences of failure are easily too great a risk to be balanced against any number of human lives, even all of them. You're basically obligated to genocide humanity, even if you are humanity yourself.

>>152972104
The only people that deserve to die is anyone stupid enough to still be giving GeeDubs money at this point.

>>152971978
Chaos was just a sledgehammer for GW in the End Times, holding that against them is stupid.

>>152971851
Just play something else if you don't like the main conceit of the setting, retard.

>>152972181
Maybe stop sucking their nuts when they put out a terrible product.

>>152972133
No, its valid to hold Chaos up as the poster child for everything wrong with Warhammer. Chaos has gotten wanked and wanked *so much* from what it used to be, taking us from the old lore of them being warp parasites bloated on psychic energy and pretending to be gods into *actual* timeless eternal entities that retroactively are powered by the physical laws of the universe (Khorne, the blood god, is now powered by any act of destruction that occurs anywhere in the material world, even natural disasters that didn't even kill anyone like a mudslide in the middle of nowhere or a forest fire) and are responsible for shit throughout history (Nurgle the plague god is responsible for all microbial life that has ever existed. Which GW must have thought meant that he was responisble for all germs and viruses, but because they are fucking idiots they didn't realize when they wrote that it means life can't have evolved without Nurgle at all because everything started as single celled organisms in primordial soup).

Other factions that used to provide alternatives to Chaos or have counters to them have had those things stripped away from them because they made chaosfags feelsbad. (Necrons no longer have anti-psychic Pariahs anymore, and they are not allowed to have inertialess drive FTL because that would mean that people could get around the galaxy without using space hell as a shortcut, and that makes Chaos less special. They retconned Necrons into getting around with 'dolmen gates', hacking into the Eldar webway to get around, despite the fact that this means that the Necrontyr somehow waged a galaxy-wide war for 10,000 years *without FTL travel* against an enemy that could teleport. Half the Necron ships who 'fought' in the War in Heaven STILL WON'T HAVE REACHED THEIR DESTINATIONS YET.)

Chaos wasn't chosen at random for the end times, Chaos winning is the inevitable result that chaosfags working at GW have been pushing for, inch by inch, for decades.

>>152972274
They did the same thing to the Tau. They used to have FTL of their own, even if it was slower than Warp travel, now they are meant to be able to fight the Imperium despite having no form of FTL at all.

>>152972211
I stopped buying GW shit 15 years ago, but Chaos wasn't the problem then and it still isn't now.

>>152969746
The emperor is gay

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>>152972274
I get that, and I can't blame you for not liking them, but I just think psychotic Norse raiders worshipping literal demons out of desperation and becoming warped into hulking plate armored behemoths with no moral scruples is very cool, the idea behind them is fun even if GW wanked them into becoming something they were never meant to be.

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>>152969746
Did she do it right or did she let some memetic chaos bullshit conjured from the mind of some fa/tg/uys disgusting fetish folder get loose?

>>152975752
In early Warhammer Fantasy, the Norse were Vikings but they were also being attacked by Chaos worshippers.
Something that WFRP still struggles with when it keeps old lore about Norse communities and and ancestry within the Empire and Kislev.

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>>152971544
>get saved by the Grey Knights
>get slaughtered by the Grey Knights
Not always

>>152975882
the one time space wolves weren't lame

>>152971414
Okay, let's me check the Farsight codex supplement
>Says that the Farsight Enclaves is a democracy
Do you enjoy eating dick or what you lying faggot?

>>152975936
They do shit like this pretty often. It's funny because they do the same shit as the salamanders, but without consonantly self sacrificing. SW get to be nice to normal humans and survive being nice too.

>>152969746
What's the alternative?

>>152976028
The T'au Empire.
No. They don't sterilize people. It comes from non-canon sources.

I will never understand Imperium stans. The only possible explanation is they are unironic nazis pretending to support the Imperium ironically.
Your only two ethical choices are Chaos and Tau. Both stand against Nazism.

>>152976073
Abelard, cut off this heretics balls, if he still has them.

>>152976073
>the imperium is humans
>we're humans
Objectively speaking the imperium is the only good choice. Also they're one of the few factions that don't fuck over the entire universe if they win. Almost every other faction winning means humans get wiped out or worse reality/the universe ceases to be.
>chaos winning fucks up all of reality/the material realm
>nids winning means they eat everything
>necrons winning is a 50/50 of killing all over living species or enslaving everyone
>dark eldar winning is bad for everyone too since it's a partial chaos victory
>normal eldar winning is generaly bad for humans but even worse now given the eldars current plan is to birth another god like they did with slaneesh
>orks don't want to win since that means no more fighting other races
>tau winning might not be too bad at the start but the ethereals are giant dickheads who would just become the imperium 2.0 if they got that much power also humans and other races are second class citizen in the tau empire so it's gonna suck for since you're not a noseless blue fish
>votann are too new to saw how shit would go if they won

>>152976073
Remind me which side had commissars.

>>152971544
>be a loyal soldier
>battle is not going well
>fucking demons
>one of the battle sisters who is helping with our wounded looks up and "screams praise the emperor"
>we see space marine dropships coming in
>oh fuck, we are going to survive this one!!
>dropships land and massive space marines step out, grey ones
>our battle sister walks up to them and thanks them
>the leader of the space marine chapter thanks her for her service and then picks her up and rips her apart like a twig and squeezes her like a tube of toothpaste on him while she is still alive and screaming.
>after that the rest of them opens fire on us and you get turned in to red mist when a fist sized bullet hits you.

So yeah, not really the good guys.

>>152975999
Except that time they took orders from a traitor, and turned Prospero into a senseless bloodbath.

>>152976235
which the won

>>152976252
And made things infinitely worse for everyone by causing the remaining Thousand Sons and Magnus to turn traitor.

>in the grim dark future everyone is a megalomaniac supported by sycophants and zealous, self-righteous, fervor
It's all so boring when no one is doing anything write. It's a like a train crash but they just keep sending more trains.

>>152976221
The Grey Knights are fags yes, basically the inquisitorial equivalent of spoiled rich kids and do whatever because they think no one can stop them. Or they did until Grimnar and the Wolves fed them their teeth and GKfags everywhere had to take their baby carriers and walk home.

>>152976296
Russ makes everything worse by virtue of being an absolute buffoon.
Not in pretend like Wolf-glazers like to say.
He is a full on, complete retard.

In the middle of a campaign, he wastes three whole days of not only his time, but another primarch's because that primarch killed a guy he called dibs on.

Ironically, his idiot sons think this is a great idea, and ritualistically fight that chapter when they meet.
But, they then managed to waste three whole months of everyone's time in the >>152975882 incident. Which people who like to bring it up as a positive for the Wolves want people to forget that they then turned everyone they rescued over to the inquisition anyway.

But, that's the wolves in a nutshell. Frankly, the only thing surprising about them is that a bunch of fight-drunk retards didn't fall to Khorne openly.

>>152976181
>>tau winning might not be too bad at the start but the ethereals are giant dickheads who would just become the imperium 2.0 if they got that much power also humans and other races are second class citizen in the tau empire so it's gonna suck for since you're not a noseless blue fish

Anon, "second class citizen" is such a step up for most people in the Imperium its not even funny.
The average hive worlder has never seen the sun, needs cybernetics to install filters in their chest to keep the smug from killing them, has been living on top of a nuclear reactor thats been frying their genes since they moved to the nicer neighborhood, and their primary food source is bread made from recycled dead people. They had a fruit described to them once and said they were not interested because they don't read fantasy. They lost their girlfriend when a pipe burst and dumped boiling sulfuric acid into the level they lived in, killing 9 million people, and the governor still hasn't sent anyone to fix the pipe OR turn off the pump to stop it from spewing more boiling acid. The only way out of his hellhole that he has ever been given is to sign up to go fight Tyranids with a bayonet charge on a planet whose name he doesn't even know because his commanding officer never told him where they were.

>>152975998
>DPRK, it says Democratic in the title, simple as
Anon ...

>>152971636
>If you pressed a button and made every human in the galaxy fall over dead, Chaos would immediately become a tiny fraction of its current strength and every other species alive would be better off for it.

Not exactly. Its never specified just how much humanity feeds chaos or how quickly chaos depletes the psychic energy it leeches off humanity.

Also it will never not be a cop out that every species besides humanity has some bullshit excuse for being immune to chaos corruption even though supposedly everything can technically be corrupted by chaos. But I digress.

Chaos is only ever as weak or as strong as the plot demands at any given time.

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>>152969746
Imperium is le bad unless the ultramarines are the protagonists then it is le good again

>>152971581
Tyranids are archenemy of chaos

>>152976521
That's primarily because Girlyman is at least competent at rulership. Which is a titantic step up from literally anyone else in the Imperium, who've hadn 10,000 years of the incompetent crab-bucketing each other and killing anyone competent who rises up.

Also because they're an author's pet faction, like in your webm. But that's besides the point.

>>152972104
>Given that if chaos gets strong enough the entire universe gets shattered like glass and the pieces sink into the warp, a broken reality with no hope of order ever being restored as our souls are the eternal playthings of mad and cruel gods

What if I told you that the chaos gods are also acutely aware of these facts and that they have already "won" because they have already made the universe their plaything to torture for all eternity? Chaos could easily win if the dark gods put their differences aside and attacked the universe as a unified front. They dont because then they would deplete their food source. Instead they play the great game where they are all locked in a perpetual stalemate where they feed off humanity while giving it just enough breathing room to keep it plodding along.

>>152976600
And its all thanks to Big E thinking he outsmarted them.

>>152976221
It all makes sense if you have context like the readers and the people in power in-universe do. If the imperial citizens knew how dire things are then they would panic, which would disrupt vital functions and cause the human race to implode and go extinct much faster. In the case of Chaos, people are already falling to it and forming cults despite the heavy regulation of information. Humanity is already rife with the impressionable, the disgruntled and the power-hungry. If Chaos was common knowledge then a huge chunk of humanity would turn to it, even for a brief period. And those who would realise just how terrifying Chaos is, would feed it subtly throughout their lives by fearing it. Hence why the Imperium is urging it's subjects to close their eyes and do as they're told.
Of course imperial policies are stupid and deplorable and inhuman. It is a sign of the nature of the problem and the scale of the size and timescale involved.

>>152976433
>Which people who like to bring it up as a positive for the Wolves want people to forget that they then turned everyone they rescued over to the inquisition anyway
Proof?

>>152976503
We see how the Farsight Enclaves are run in the novels.
So...you are a penis.

>>152975882
Nothing they ever do will make up for what the space furfags did to Magnus

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>>152976699
Yeah… yeah

>>152976699
>what the space furfags did to Magnus
In hindsight they should have done even more!

>>152969746
That's life. Otherwise you'll get chaoslings spawning around.
Fuck everyone itt that's saying the Imperium sucks. Around Chaos you never relax.

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>>152976626
Oh boy here we go.

Nobody forces the imperium to be brutal, shitty, and draconian. They do that all on their own. When chaos wasnt yet a major threat and the Emperor was still on his great crusade the Imperium was just as shitty and brutal. The Emperors pipe dream of creating a future utopia was always that, a dream used to justify atrocity.

At least with Chaos what you see is what you get. It promises power but makes it clear that failure is swiftly punished. There's no appeal to utopia or the greater good. Chaos gives you tools and its up to you how you use them. Play your cards right and get lucky and you can literally ascend to the equivalent of godhood. Big risk, bigger reward.

>>152976181
tau are most likely to reduce suffering
imperium's retarded prohibitions on innovation and huge bureaucracy basically cripple them. there's no reason why such a large spacefaring empire should be so stagnant in technology that it basically hasn't changed in multiple millennia

>>152976779
>the Imperium was just as shitty and brutal
No it wasn't. We know it wasn't because of the Gorillaman books
...It was still pretty shitty and pretty brutal tbf

>>152976774
Before Big E went swinging his cock around to force everyone to suck it, there were hundreds of fully functional human civilizations that were not only aware of Chaos, but were fighting it successfully without being the horrors he was constructing.

>>152976799
that's more a gameplay/lore nerf since humans had almost necron level tech in the golden age and without the tech limit we'd in theory get back to that level with innovations pretty quickly and even faster with reverse engineering xeno tech too

>>152976779
>>152976800

Yeah but you have to see it from the emperors POV,
The dark age of technology is over, no more fancy tech that you could use without it backfiring on you.
Humanity scattered among the stars for hundreds of years with no contact.
Demons everywhere, bugs, bugs, bugs, human eating mushrooms, green bots with no humor, etc....
The only way to rally humanity was to turn it in to the imperium of man.
Big E's plan was most likely to scale it all back when all of humanity was pulled back in the fold and the demons were kicked back to the dark.

>>152976904
>Demons everywhere, bugs, bugs, bugs
These didn't happen until during/after the Heresy, Chaos didn't have its legions of Space Marines, the Tyranids were canonically travelling to a entirely different galaxy until they saw the Astronomican
Orks were a problem but they got worse with the Emperor, not better. There wouldn't have been a Beast without Big E
Crons would still probably be waking up, but without the Nids coming to the Galaxy the Silent King would still be on his exile. And at least some Crons are perfectly fine with having human vassals and servants

Personally I think the biggest issue would have actually been the Rangdan

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>>152971414
Tau mechs look gay.
Battletech has cooler mechs.

>>152976758
>The burning of prospero didn't happen, but it should have

>>152976958
Given the fact that the Rangdan were actually exterminated, they must have been weaker than the factions that survived the great crusade. Otherwise the orks would be gone and the rangdan would still be here.

They might have been on the upper limit of what the great crusade could wipe out, but they *were* wiped out in the end.

>>152976965
Anon no one cares about battletech
That was made apparent back when gw shot themselves in the foot and many tried to seced

>>152969746
As much as I love 40k, sometimes it does get tiring with this sort of stuff. You can usually spot it coming a mile off as well and it just feels boring at this point

>>152976984
They took two entire Primarchs with them, not even the Beast managed that
Imagine what they could have done without the Great Crusade

>>152976965
thats like, your opinion, dude.

>>152977019
We need more cains in 40k.

>>152977019
40k is in a weird spot with the imperium where the writers have to make them intolerant and punish everyone to go with the grimdarkness because anything less would seem like a betrayel of the setting

>>152971851
The main problem of the setting imo is how overcentralizing the conflict between the imperium and chaos is. There is little space (pun intended) for anything else. This is made worse by the fact that we seem to be in the middle of a Horus Heresy 2.0 now that the setting is being turned into Primarch drama.
The solution has to be to make both chaos less of an overarching existential threat without making it weaker, mainly by 1) emphasizing that chaos doesnt really want to take over realspace and is just one more force in the universe like gravity is and 2) stop making all the chaos characters obsessed with the imperium and warp their whole identity over the thing that happened 10k years ago. This second one also involves making chaos more nuanced and varied rather than a bunch of insane cultists who only care about destroying the imperium.
But this will never change because Space Marines sell the most models, spiky Space Marines are the designated edgy bad guys for the Space Marines to fight with, and the Horus Heresy is now the most widely known bit of lore about the setting. The whole Warhammer project used to be a 'make your own guys and stories sort of thing' but now its just a 'follow the primarch family drama' and tourists to the setting just gobble it up.

>>152977040
The Imperium in Cain stories is practically sane.
The Imperium everywhere else is pants on head retarded.

>>152976904
>More emperor apologia
Like >>152976811 said, there were plenty of human civilizations that were varying degrees of functional before the imperium rolled up and stomped them into line. Mars had already developed a techno-fetishist cult complete with space travel. The Interex had successfully quarantined some of the most brutal and savage aliens to their home planets and were coexisting with the reasonable ones while warding off chaos through culture and ritual. Tons of planets had human civilizations plodding along, and some had even rediscovered FTL and started expanding. Guilliman's planet had stuff like the scientific method, functional bureaucracies, and theories of statecraft even before guilliman showed up and diplomanced up a planetary government.

The emperor, in canon, was just the last and most successful techno-barbarian. A hubris-filled tyrant warlord from earth, wielding lost technology he didn't understand well enough to replicate or improve, playing into ancient myths to legitimize his rule.

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>>152969772
THERE'S ONLY YOU AND ME AND WE JUST DISAGREE

>>152976779
>Nobody forces the imperium to be brutal, shitty, and draconian
It's situation and scale does. The food needs alone are gargantuan and some worlds recycle their dead into edible paste because there isn't enough food to go around or it isn't as easy to ship it to them. Slaves spend their lives in production lines and are then replaced by their children because the wars their labour feeds go on for generations. If people don't have unity then they will all be killed bit by bit by omnicidal galactic threats.

>At least with Chaos what you see is what you get
If that were the case then rewards and mutations wouldn't be random.
Chaos is a fundamental force of existence. People in-universe treating it like some devil worship that exchanges service for power shows how ignorant they are of it's nature.

>>152977072
that only leaves the options that big E is retarded or he actually wanted all this.

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>>152977039
My opinion is that Tau women don't have huge breasts.

>>152977125
You live in a boring reality

>>152976958
The fact that the Rangdan existed is proof enough that the Emperor was needed, even if his methods were wrong,

>>152972133
And GW is using them again for the end times for AoS next year

>>152977125
That's objectively wrong. You aren't wrong about the mechs though, 40k mechs are generally mid with some spectacularly bad ones mixed in

>>152976965
yeah good thing Macross exists so they had somewhere to steal all the designs from

>>152977181
>spoiler
Yeah, mechanical design was never GW's speciality
only time titans were interesting was that Dan Abnett strip about the crew fighting genestealers in the legs of one

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>>152977182
How can someone so anonymous be so gay?

>>152977112
Going that he's stuck in a torture chair AND the fact that most of his "sons" are retarded, I'd guess the former.

Seriously, the number of primarchs who aren't fucking morons can be counted on one hand.

>>152977208
40k mech design is still the highpoint of their vehicle design, because holy fuck GW cannot design a car, tank, or aircraft that doesn't look like boiled ass.

>>152977227
>on one hand.
The accountant and the dead angel that is 100% going to come back at some point

>>152977042
The number one biggest problem with 40k stories is they can't decide what's actually bad about the Imperium.
>the Imperium kills xenos
Only after the Long Night when Humanity got its ass fucked across the galaxy by every hostile Xeno empire out there, including Eldar and Orks. Humanity's genocidal attitude is a trauma response rather than ignorant bigotry, and it is funny that's never explored. We're just supposed to assume they killed trillions of harmless xenos despite the fact that's almost never shown or explored either. All we see are Orks killing humans, Dark Eldar enslaving and killing humans, Nids eating humans, etc. And as a result of this, the one non-hostile xeno species, the Tau, comes across not as "oh now Humans can be friends" but simultaneously naïve to the galaxy's dangers and also an upstart wannabe rival.
>the Imperium is corrupt
Boils down to "planetary governors BAD, loyalist primarchs GOOD". Which is an odd endorsement of superhuman fascism, really.
>um actually Chaos worshippers are just oppressed
And so they sell their souls to four evil space devils. Great political movement.

>>152977237
They just copy Cold War/WW2 vehicles
Like one of the ones revealed yesterday was just a Saladin

>>152977255
I'd add the space khan, since he never spectacularly fucked up and was generally not a power-tripping asshole.

>>152977296
Yeah, but they always pick ugly ones, and then make them worse. I can only take so much lack-of-suspension and hull machineguns, anon.

>>152977099
>It's situation and scale does
Ah yes the old
>The Bureaucracy is expanding to meet the need of the expanding bureaucracy ploy. Classic. The Imperium produces more than enough food to feed all it's citizens multiple times over but much of it is squandered or over allocated to the privileged few and the military.

>If that were the case then rewards and mutations wouldn't be random
Not really sure what you mean by random. You worship Nurgle you become an unfeeling zombie. You worship Tzeentch you become a paranoid wizard, You worship Slaanesh you become a crackhead rockstar, You worship Khorne you become a screaming berserker. Chaos might seem random but you get 4 different flavors of randomness.

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>>152977217
NTA but all those are shit compared to the humble Zaku.
Mostly because all the ones you posted besides the last one they look like they had the actual armor plating stripped off of them, like a bunch of shaved cats.

>>152977738
That's not fair, anon, Zakus are one of the best mech designs there's ever been.

>>152971294
>And the Imperium has the most actual good guys in it.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE ABHUMANS

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>>152977738
I don't care man but the Zaku does look cool. If you want something that looks as beefy and armored as that, I recommend the Horned Owl. 35 ton light, 5 tons of Clan-Tech Fero-Fibrous Armor, two Clan-Tech Medium Pulse Lasers and one chestmounted Large Pulse Laser.
No idea how these value translate into Gundam but I love this thing. Hes my Go-To light and medium killer on Table-Top.

>>152976433
Hi Magnus

if anyone want's to watch
https://vkvideo.ru/playlist/-199864925_51/video-199864925_456239953?linked=1

>>152977877
2 med and 1 pulses are pretty fucking solid for a light mech.

As for comparing to mobile suits, BT destroys them most the time. The main thing being the armor on mobile suits is fucking paper compared battlemechs.
The only exception the special 'magic armor' some gundams get whos greatly overperform what they should be able to.

Think of it as battletech is a setting where armor values mean your a fully armored knight bashing at other armored knights in longer fights.
where as gundam everyone is uniformed guys with guns except the MC and his rivals who get the only actual tanks.

>>152975808
she did it right

>>152977877
Thats more like it.
>>152977972
Also don't forget to factor in the Newtype psionic powers and spider-sense for those MC units, that's the real bullshit, especially for shit like the Nu Gundam

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>>152977972
I always assumed Mobile Suits were able to outcompete Battlemechs about 90% of the time, but it seems I may be mistaken.
>>152978068
See I haven't watched Gundam since the one with Domon so my knowledge is highly limited. Oh and the one with that Nina chick who struck a wedding.
My personal favorite of the Clan Standards is the Incubus. Large Pulse Laser, two Clan ER Medium Lasers, and four Machine Guns to deal with infantry and light vehicles. Although, thats the base model. I go with the Incubus 2, because that swaps the Pulse Laser for a Clan ER PPC.
The CERPPC SHITs on everything.

>>152976779
>Nobody forces the imperium to be brutal, shitty, and draconian. They do that all on their own. When chaos wasnt yet a major threat
Chaos was Active during the GC. Did everyone just forget that Cadia was a Daemon World when Lorgar found it?

A question for the Warhammer 40K fans in the thread. I heard somewhere that Titans were once used for agricultural work. Is that true? Do we ever see any titans still serving this purpose?

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>>152978218
That's another cool one.
Since we are posting specs I might as well share the the Nu Gundam I was talking about in reciprocation although since their are no wargaming stats it will be a bit more vague.
This thing has two 60mm Vulcan Guns on the head, a custom Beam Saber alongside a backup standard issue Beam Saber, custom Beam Rifle that can switch to a machine gun mode, 280mm bazooka, separate arm mounted Shield, Dummy Balloon Launchers and the fucking Fin Funnels.
Since this is one of those busted MC Units and a big part of that is its Psycommu (Weapons only useable by Newtypes AKA by Space psychics) capabilities. The Fin Funnels are those wing type things on its back, and they can break off into 6 individual semi-autonomous units.
Basically in wargame terms it would be like if a unit could make an additional 6 attacks from different angles. Again its MC bullshit.
>>152978403
Its notTitans that do that, it was their smaller cousins the Knights.
And while the Knights don't do that anymore the pilots come from the noble families of Feudal Worlds which are basically agrarian worlds mostly locked to a medieval tech level outside of when the funny sky men come.

>>152976811
I'm pretty sure I remember hearing that "Chaos" got stronger after some bullshit happened, so I'm not sure your take is valid.

This talk about Battletech and mech designs reminds me that someone at BT stole the Sizzler design from Gunbuster for one of their mechs.

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>>152978457
Thats the original Horned Owl. Of all of CGL's reworks, the Horned Owl's new look is honestly the better of the two, way better than the Unseen one.
Y'know what sucks about "Battletech stealing design from X, Y, and Z"? Is that at the time, they thought they weren't. They thought they had the legal rights to do so here in the US, but it turned out the guy they bought the rights from wasn't actually genuine, which is why Harmony Gold came after them in the 1990s. Technically, the Dougram Ones - what we call the Goliath, Shadow Hawk, Locust and such were technically allowed. The owners didn't care. The Glaug Pods that were reworked into the Ostscout and Ostsol were apparently different enough that they didn't infringe on copyright. But the Macross designs - The Valkyrie, Archer(Destoid Spartan), Stinger, and especially the Warhammer(Destoid Tomahawk) - those nearly shut FASA down. They pulled those designs, made new ones, and eventually retooled those old Unseen designs into the Project Phoenix designs. Reworkings that keep the spirit of the original while updating them in-lore with new designs(some company in-universe took all the Unseen Designs at random and said "Hey, lets take these ancient designs and remake them for a modern battlefield with modern designs!") My favorite Heavy Mech, the Ostsol. You guys call it the Regult Battle Pod. Pic related is its design evolution throughout the years.

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>>152978427
>Two 60mm head-mounted Autocannons. Two Beam Sabers. Beam Rifle. 280 Bazooka. Shield. Balloon launchers. Fin Funnels.
Damn, that honestly sounds pretty good. Even the balloons in the event its power is knocked out and its falling.
>Fin Funnels turn into drones.
Incredibly busted.
>Knights were originally the agricultural units.
Dang thats pretty cool too. Love Knights, though I wish we got more of them. Love those small lil robots that get in a scrap.
Pic related was the Japanese take on the 25 ton Commando. For those that don't know, when they were seeking to branch Battletech into Japan - ironic - they decided to take their original 3025 designs and outsource them to a new studio to rework them and "Make them animey". The guy they hired eventually would go on to design fucking Armored Core. This right here is my favorite of his designs.
Since its a light mech, it doesn't carry too much for arms or armor, and isn't necessarily speedy, but its a cool lil dude. One Short-Range Missile Tube-6 in the chest, SRM-4 in one arm and a standard Medium laser in the other. Four tons of armor keep it safe. No jumpjetting around, but its design to work in tandem with heavier units, support infantry and light vehicles, scout, and hunt down light mechs.

>>152978544
That first Ostsol looks so goofy I kind of love it. It looks like it's currently in the middle of pratfalling.

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>>152978707
Its my favorite for a reason. It just looks so dumb, and its armament layout is too.
Two Large Lasers, four Medium Lasers. Thats 34 damage right there(7 for each Large Lasers, 5 for each Medium), but it can't use them all. Why? Because two of the Medium lasers are mounted on its back, meaning it can deal 24 damage instead.
Thats right.
Ass-mounted lasers.

>>152978778
Why even waste the have them then? They could mount them on shoulder-turrets or the arms and they'd actually be usable.

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>>152978858
Technology in Battletech is strange and weird. Mech Turrets are both a thing and not a thing, depending on era. The Ostsol comes from an era where every Battlemech had to have a niche, a purpose. The Ostsol comes from the ancient Star League, aka Space Rome. The Ostsol was meant to replace Ostmann Industry's older Age of War designs, the Walking Pods the Ostwar and Ostroc. Both of them came out in 2500 and 2511 respectively, with the Sol coming out in 2694. It was designed to deal damage, take damage, and have a full 360 degree arc of fire. For the mechs of its time, the Succession Wars of 2700-to-3040s, two Medium Lasers could discourage or even destroy lights and a few mediums. The Locust for example, the most produced Battlemech ever at nearly 100,000 units, only has 6 points of armor in both of the legs and center torso, 8 points in the side torsos, and 3 in each arm. A single 5 point shot could either heavily damage if it hits with a follow up either crippling it or even killing it. In an era of mechs who cannot mount the max amount of armor their chassis can support, or whose armor is patchwork, low grade, or even coming at you damaged already, having a rear facing weapon isn't a bad option. The venerable Wolfhound, a Light Mech using all Energy Weapons, also mounts a Medium lasers in the rear for that same reason. Its not common, especially nowadays in the 3150s, but it does occasionally happen. As for turrets, some mechs like the Marauder have that ability despite their turreted weapon technically being mounted in the side-torso, its just not treated as a turret by technicality, more like a casemate sometimes depending on the model.

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>>152978596
I think even up to AC6 I can actually make a good approximation of that design, so that makes sense.
Also Knights are cool
This is the new model that just got shown the Knight Destrier. Its whole thing is to rush the opponent and Pilebunker them.

>>152978973
Just as well in terms of Space Tech. At the height of the Star League, every major faction had Warships, advanced weaponry and material, space-age manufacturing methods, and could produce Battlemechs on a monthly basis of around 50-100 each, depending on faction and mech type. By the 2nd Succession War after the Star League fell apart, the last space stations that could produce the rare Endo Steel, that is used for weight saving and durability, had been destroyed, and the last Warships had been obliterated in a one-on-one duel.
Planets that were sustained by huge hydroponic systems, life-giving water collectivation systems(think those moisture farms from Star Wars but on a massive scale), things like AI and the like, had all been destroyed by the time the first series took place, 3025. The Ability to even produce Battlemechs, the series namesake, had fallen down to a damn trickle. Mechwarriors seen as the equiavlent of feudal knights, passing down their mechs within the family, cannibalizing other mechs for parts, armor, weapons, you name it. Even the Locust, at 100,000 strong in 3025, can only be produced at around 10 or 20 a year, depending on the faction.

>>152978977
Pilebunker, my beloved. AC6 was my first AC game and I got it on launch. Balteus and the Seaspider can kiss my ass. But the Pilebunker? I would take her on a date. I killed the Raven pilot in 10 seconds with a quick stun from the bazooka and then pilebunkered him into oblivion. God.

>>152977255
Why the fuck would they bring back Sangy? That would make the whole point of his sacrifice meaningless.

>>152977267
Don't forget that every time a minor xenos species appears they instantly start ganking random civilians until guard regiments put them to the torch

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>>152969746
WH+ animations are generally pretty fucking retarded because Games Workshop are so anal about protecting their "brand" of setting that they won't let any of their decently sized budget projects stray from being awkwardly paced and having a "surprised" grimdark twist at the end because a bunch of midhammer nitwits would lose their minds if they didn't, that's why their best adaptations are the longform games that don't even bother to acknowledge that kind of stuff and just focus on getting from A to B.

>>152979141
Would you watch a 40K animation that actually had a good ending, or at least a bitter sweet one?

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>>152979163
Sure, why not? The galaxy is a monumentally big place and at this point a normal ending is a downright subversion from the standard

>>152972274
They hit Necrons that hard? Weren't they trying to buff their awareness as a faction last edition? What happened?

>>152969746
I mean, at least in this one it's clear it's a personal vendetta the one sister has.

>>152979407
They had their turn at bat, then it was the Tyranid's turn, now the Orkz. Everyone gets a moment in the sun at the start of the edition before the next wacky Chaos vs Imperium plot by the midpoint, and then the edition ends with a primarch returning and someone still not cutting Abaddon's head of.

>>152976658
>my extended universe tho
That's actually fair, same reason the "Star Trek" novels hold up where the shows don't.

>>152971581
>necron hands typed this post
not so fast clanker

>>152978973
One thing that bothers me about Battletech's designs is they go for super-powerful artificial muscles as the justification for mechs, but the mechs still look mechanical, with servo housings, pistons, and chassis made of armor plates. When if they're running off artificial muscles, they should look more pseudo-organic, with bulging exoskeletons to make room for internal muscle, or structural endoskeletons to save weight with redundancy-as-armor in the exterior musculature.

I personally prefer mechanical mechs to the more bio-mech designs, but the form should match with the justification.

>>152979475
Well what I mean is why it sounds like Necrons lost things the faction used to have. I get propping up other factions but removing something a faction had like that is just weird.

>>152979508
Necrons still have anti warp countermeasures in the form of Blackstone, they just don't specifically have Pariahs because of the revamp they got in 7th edition. Inertialess drives are I think still canon, it's just another case of there not being any real uniformity in the setting and while some ships may get around one way, others will get around another. At least, that's how I took it.

>>152975936
honestly its
40K space wolves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 30k space wolves

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>>152969746
>complete mission
>gets turned into a Chaospawn
Yeah, Chaos seems like the superior choice to meeeeeeeEEEEEEEAHDBDKSBDKANCJSBCJDBVNSKCNDJJFLSOBSNCJSKJXJENSH

>>152972067
No, they are good guys because they are literally the only faction who is actually trying (mostly) to keep humanity alive in a universe that wants us dead or worse.

>>152976600
No, they don't unite because they are fundementally opposed to each other. Chaos literally cannot work together for any protracted length of time. The whole reason Horus failed in his rebellion was because of this reason.

>>152976779
>Play your cards right and get lucky and you can literally ascend to the equivalent of godhood.
no Lorgar. thats stupid Lorgar. You become a slave to a god that can still get stabbed in the head by some 21 year old with an extra pointy stick and get banished to rejoin your chosen energy construct to be punished from "your" (its not you anymore) perspective forever until they get tired of that and send you back out to do their bidding until the next pointy stick incident.

>>152977267
its funny Fulgrim does talk about how they killed a fuck ton of evil aliens but also some pretty benign ones and, Dorn and The Lion slaughter some pretty chill human/alien clan iirc.

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>>152976779
>with Chaos what you see is what you get

>>152979535
Chaos is actively trying to keep humanity alive, because humans are their primary source of energy, recruits, and followers.
Orks are, despite appearances, smart enough to know that they can't fight forever if they exterminate everyone they beat. So they prefer to use the populations they conquer to build up forces, then fuck off so the survivors can rebuild their forces.
Dark Eldar depend on humanity to survive, and Vect has personally killed and humiliated upstarts who get ideas about "taking over" or "exterminating the lesser races". They prefer a sustainable pillaging, with raids just frequent enough to prevent resistance.

Now, you might say "But they just keep humans as slaves", but that's what the Imperium does, too. And besides, there are better options too:
Tau are actively trying to keep humanity alive because they're sapient and thus part of the Greater Good that the Empire serves.
The Votann ARE human, and are doing a much better job keeping their shit together than the Imperium.
The peripheries of the galaxy outside control of any major faction have humans all over, and they generally do alright.

>>152979657
You see that they're pseudo-satanic backstabbing assholes, and that's what they are. Seems as-advertised to me.

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>>152979664
>The Votann ARE human

>>152976521
Space Hulk Terminators are the best sub story to follow cus theres no moral ambiguity about it the genestealers are evil

>>152979700
You see them as that because yout looking at it from an out of universe perspective.
Most people in-universe either get fucked over orruptive cognitohazzard style and get duped into it via false pretense or desperation.

One of the Plague War books has a moment where a bunch of survivors of a battle against Nurgle forces being tented to at a field hospital are drawn into a field on the outskirts without knowing why only to have their souls destroyed via horrible summoning ritual implanted into them ambiently during their pervious battle.
No climbing the ranks there, just fodder.

>>152979664
>The Votann ARE human
Xenos filth made me laugh. I guess there's a first time for everything.

>>152979727
they're human the same way ratlings, ogryn, navigators, etc are also "human"

>>152969746
qrd?

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>>152971294
The imperium are the suckiest faction and im tired of the wank they get from the fandom
>"ew you like da orks? YO FOOKIN RACE TRAITOR YOU SHOULD ONLY LIKE SPACE MARINES ONLY WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
"Humanity fuck yeah" shit is fucking cringe shit because the human race is fucking shit and overrated and aliens are fucking awesome and if i were in charge of 40k i would wipe out the imperium of man and have slaanesh come down onto holy terra and rape the emperors of mankinds rotten corpse.

Orks best faction. Games workshop is a fucking scam company

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>>152975936
Space Wolves are consistently one of the only not lame space marine chapters, they're great. Raven Guard and Salamanders are up there too.

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>>152976699
>there are still gay retard Magnus simps to this day

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>>152977125
I'm glad I don't share your opinion.