Is Batman really losing to Black Canary in the 1v1 with no powers involved?
>>152993855Dinah did beat Shiva, so yeah, probably.
>>152993855>>152993874The fact Tom Taylor is trying to take credit for having this take pisses me off more than the take itself.
>>152993855Neither of those characters are better fighters than Bruce
>>152993885I'm gonna stop you right there because I actually think it's fucking stupid to insist Batman has to be THE BEST AT FIGHTING. He's the World's greatest Detective, his skill range should focused on that first and foremost.
>>152993909Still loses to Detective Chimp
https://youtu.be/g-cGFjuUty8?si=9Se_p0MO5JbZ8Pzv
>>152993855Who is the most impressive canary beat 1 on 1, who is the most impressive Bruce beat 1 on 1?
Nothing comic books is ever going to "break the internet"
>>152993874Everyone beats Shiva. Except Batman for some reason.
>>152993855He's definitely still stronger. So, they likely have better technique to compensate.
>>152993909He doesn't have to be the best, but a literal child being better is moronic as fuck, especially since she's a sidekick character from his own mythos so she wouldn't even exist without him. Black Canary is also just a weird case of her becoming a better martial artist for some reason despite the fact that for the majority of her lifespan she was not that good.
>>152994064I think you're confused. Black Canary is the Street Fighter character from Johnny Thunder stories.
>>152993909100%Batman in the golden age was a detective, chemist, engineer, brawler in that orderall the wushu shit was an O'Neill editionBatman was a scientist first and foremost, built his body up to take the beatings and dish some back more than anything
>>152994064When did you start reading comics?
>>152993855Maybe, but Dinah and Cass are way dumber, even more than Nightwing.
>>152994107When did you?
>>152993942i'm okay with that
>>152993909>THE BEST AT FIGHTINGHe's not just better than Dinah
>>152993942So what.
>>152994367Nope.
>>152994367But he isn't.
>>152993855It’s fair, black canary has always been better than Batman and it’s implied as much in young justice. That being said, to make everyone happy, Black Canary should lust over Bruce Wayne like Cass sometimes to balance things out.Like a sure, I can kick your ass in a cage match, but why would I do that when you’re so pretty UWU
>>152993855Well yes. Batman is smarter than her and the best detective, but it’s been known that just like Cass Cain, Black Canary is a better fighting than Batman. She’s had more training from Lady Shiva than him.
>>152994453Also been training with prime wildcat since she was in diapers. Shout out to JLU fans
>>152994433>always been betterKek no.
>>152993942And Elongated Man
>>152994474If Batman is so much better at martial arts arts than Black Canary and subsequently have better combat speed, why didn’t he dodge her facial assault
>>152993942I mean he's a chimpanzee.
>>152993855Black Canary goes to to toe with Shiva who is one of the greatest martial artists in DC if not the greatest. She would beat Bruce's ass.
>>152994453But judging by OP's image, Batman has about a 2x weight advantage.
>>152994540She has better technique than him and can land more effective shots
>>152994553She's not faster and how does she have better technique?
>>152994404>>152994431>Actual Tom Taylor fans Weird. Bruce is still the better fighter
>>152994568>She's not faster Yes she is. >how does she have better techniqueShe has trained and gone toe to toe with Lady Shiva far, far more than Batman ever has. Dinah has been linked to Shiva for a very long time now.
>>152994578>bat-haters are Taylor fansDamn, bat haters can't catch a break.
>>152994578He's clearly not because he got his ass beat by Dinah.Bruce has even gotten fucked up by the Joker lol
>>152994592>Yes she is.She's a fucking woman, of course she isn't>Lady ShivaShe gets beat up more often than not. But it's irrelevant because that's not what I asked, how does she have better technique?
>>152993855Batfags want Batman to be a Mary Sue.
>>152994607Cope
>>152994610Nah, you just have bat derangement syndrome.
>>152994607>She's a fucking womanThere are countless women who would literally beat you to death. So what?>how does she have better technique?By the fact that she's Lady Shiva's equal who 8s the greatest martial artist in DC.And Batman gets beat the fuck up way more than her.
>>152994598Yeah sure in a bunch of instances with different context that varies from in world explorations to moments purely for dramatic tension. The context Taylor presents should end with Dinah losing
>>152994568>how does she have better technique?By training more in Martial Arts than him.
>>152994578What did I fucking say? >>152993881
>>152994642>There are countless women who would literally beat you to deathNo there aren't. And there certainly aren't any that would stand a chance against a well trained man either.And stop using words you don't know the meaning to, you can't prove that she has better technique because she fought a character that's supposed to be a good fighter but ends up losing all the time anyway.
>>152994646Nah, Dinah would never lose to Bruce. Bruce is an all rounder he has never been and will never be a top martial artist.
>>152994642>And Batman gets beat the fuck up way more than her.So if you're aware of this, why do you losers keep crying about Batgod?
>>152994642>So what?Real humans are sexually dimorphic in ways that matter for physical combat. To the degree that the characters in DC franchises are humans, competent male characters in good shape have a massive physical advantage over competent female characters in good shape. This is a difference comparable to several weight classes (bigger people also have a massive physical advantage), and Batman vs Canary involves both in Batman's favor.
>>152994672Yes there are. There are literally too many women to count who would beat you so hard you'd die of internal bleeding and blunt force trauma.And you were already told why she has better technique. Your cope means nothing.
>>152994652Objectively incorrect. Not in their sliding time scale universe, and not in real life time either.
>>152994540Don't even. You guys clap when Batman takes down a T-Rex but go insane if a woman uses the same bullshit to fight guys 6 inches taller than her.
>>152994685>Real humansAnd these are not real humans. If they were Batman would have gotten riddled with bullets the first time he went out playing superhero and any of the countless times he miraculously beats entire groups of trained fighters and killers
>>152994690The degree of male physical advantage is such that the best professional women's soccer teams in the world are regularly stomped by boys' high school teams. It generally take all that much effort on the part of a healthy man to get into "one in a million" performance among women.
>>152994703Nice cope
>>152994690>Yes there are.You have to be a special kind of a s_o_y boy feminist retard to believe this.
>>152994642Blood Lusted Lady Shiva got her ass beat by David Cain after he killed her sister. Then he knocked her up with his BWC and guess who trained Batman. That’s right, David Cain
>>152994705>Don't even.So you have nothing to say to the point.>>152994716>If they were Batman would have gotten riddled with bulletsReal humans can wear bulletproof armor. It's not all that rare, even.
>>152994718The degree to which a woman would literally pound your face into a concave and scramble your insides with her fists is insurmountable for you. So what?
>>152994676>he has never been and will never be a top martial artistYes he has and yes he is. Only weird mystical eastern characters should be better. dinah being better is cringe
>>152994735Bullet vests don't make you invincible, if they did so many cops wouldn't be dead.Try again, batcocksucker.
KWAB ALL THESE STRONG WOMEN JOBBED TO BWC
>>152994669No one cares who's saying. Batman would just beat her. Simple as
>>152994736>>152994746
>>152994736It really isn't. I'm several times stronger than the average woman. There are women in the world who are stronger than me, but there aren't many.>>152994748>Bullet vests don't make you invincible,No, but they do stop bullets.
>>152994746No he hasn't and no he won't. Batman trained in martial art up to the point that would allow him to carr6 out his all rounder superhero style of fighting. His history has never involved any focus on him being or becoming a top martial artist. Read more and lurk more, tourist.
>>152994754
>>152994746Why is it cringe?
>>152994773Why are you Jewish.
>>152994690I took up kickboxing when I was 16 with 3 other friend and after a few months one of them had an appendix problem and was hurting and later had to take it out but in that day he asked the coach if he can take it easy for the day and when practicing leg kicks he paired him with a girl. We were laughing our asses off and roasted him for years after. She was a it older and had years of training and even had some fights so she had good technique, the guy was light tapping her but she was going full force and because she had good technique kept hitting him in the same spot, the guy's appendix was killing him and the repeated kicks in the same spot were also hurt so he kept telling her to go easier and she just said "can't, coach is watching" so he just gave her one strong kick and she went flying and started half crying, coach got mad as fuck and shouted at him for being a pig. Point is, as reality has shown and with examples from different sports, the peak females cannot compete with a mid level trained man, sometimes they even get destroyed by a low level trained guy like the William's sisters that one time.
>>152994783Ok, obsessed faggot
>>152994761It really is. Any woman on the upper side of their height and weight class would literally kill you with her bare hands, and there are millions upon millions of them. >they do stop bulletsCorrect they stop some bullets but not all. Put on some body armor and lets see how many seconds you last vs my 5.56s
>>152994724It's facts little guy.
>>152994809>>152994815
>>152994763>Dc's biggest and best character >Strongly known as a ninja to normies and hardcore fans >His big appeal is being peak human I don't know why you're mad. He's better than Dinah. Simple as
>>152994815Incorrect facts
>>152994778Because for the majority if her existence she wasn't an exceptional combatant while Batman has.
>>152994837He's not though. He canonically got his ass beat by Dinah.
>>152994778Because Batman is DC's best character and a jsa member shouldn't be a better fighter than him
>>152994841That's not true though so let's ask the question again of when did you start reading comics?
>>152994809Cameron Brinks is not beating up Shohei Ohtani. He’s pinning her down and fucking her until her six pack and become a potbelly
>>152994852>because batwankopinion discarded
>>152994856What do you mean it's not true? Are you retarded?
>>152994862And Batman isn't beating up groups of trained fighters and killers by himself. Good of you to see how retarded your post was.
>>152994862Kys
>>152994852How is that cringe though?
>>152994866I mean it's not true, Dinah has more training in fighting than Batman.
>>152994886Batman has more years of training than Dinah has years lived.
>>152993855>some nobody said something negative about Batman>the world when
>>152994902No he doesn't.
>>152993855This is why everyone is switching to manga btw. You don't see the main character losing fights to the eye candy female characters there.
>>152993855This is the dumbest controversy that I've seen in a long while. But shit like this is always the dumbest.
>>152994904>some nobody>his current writerA nobody is you, getting mad at people thinking it's stupid for a character to get be portrayed as weak in his own title.
>>152993855If I use Deathstroke for a measuring stick, they both got worse records than Nightwing.
>>152994871That’s literally Arkham origins
>>152994902>culture war warrior doesn't read comics or know anything about themImagine my surprise
>>152994923Kys, faggot
>>152994863>>152994873>>152994904>>152994975>No argument I accept your concession
>>152994997Ok, retard
>>152994863It's not wank though. Never even said he was the best just better than Dinah
>>152994754>>152994729You can feel O'neil throwing the towel to the writers obsessed to batman being the best.The reason why 2000-2006 batman books quality fell to garbage tier outside Dini stories.Batman TAS was a mistake
>>152994876Because it contradicts Batman's cool factor too much
>>152994964I know you're baiting, but I'll give you this final reply to tell you you're too dumb not to blow your cover.
>>152994923Fairy tail , Kenichi, Nami always beat the shit out of Luffy for comedy,...
>>152994975Manga won. Stay in the gutter, capeshitter.
>>152995041>for comedyIndeed. In serious situations Nami weak.
>>152995041One Piece have been losing traction. People have been dropping it though
>>152995052Ok, stupid faggot
>>152994011Dinah is beating Lady Shiva.Batman, dunno, he is wanked a lot.
>>152993855Ridiculous that every woman has to be so strong now that she can beat up any man, even superheroes. Pathetic feminism like this is why western comics are dying.
It’s weird how you people are more autistic than the literal death battle general
>>152994064>Black Canary is also just a weird case of her becoming a better martial artist for some reasonBlame Chuck Dixon for that, he needed to wank every character that he was writing in the 90's.
>>152995119nyooooooo
>>152995116K, faggot
>>152995028Lurk until you read more comics, tourist.
Finn got ate up and shat out btw
>>152995116It's funny how /co/ whines about women and minorities and then turn around and bend the knee like this.
>>152995158Stfu, retard
>>152995164Finn became a brown log on the floor
>>152995163Feels like it's just a couple autists defending Dinah being better because they want a "ummm actually" moment to impress secondaries with
>>152994064Black Canary had to become a better martial artist because they literally depowered her for a good decade thanks to Mike Grell who didn’t anyone have superpowers in his GA comics. It wasn’t until like late 90s that Dixon’s BoP run restored her Canary Cry.
>>152995192More like chuds melting down in two separate threads because they can’t handle Dinah beating Batman in a canon story
>>152995192It's also because some have a weird obsession with Batman so they want him to always get shown up.
>>152993855How would Black Canary fans take it if it was written that she lost a fight to Damien or Tim?
>>152995233Anger.
>>152995215Naw the overlap of casual fans and hardcore fans who know Bruce would beat her makes up more people than have ever even known about Black Canary. Bruce kicks her ass everytime
Not in a fight, no.
>>152994453how is lady shiva connected to black canary?
>>152995289Read more fucking comics, this is just embarrassing.
>>152995285Could have fooled me
>>152995188Stfuc subhuman
>>152995316Do I need to read bad ones?
this is such a non-issue that the "outrage" must be some form of marketing. There are a ton of things to shit on Taylor for but this isn't one
>>152995289They had one comic by tom Taylor where black canary got her weave stolen. Outside of that, they never interacted
>>152995269Retarded “argument”
>>152995233>>152994931
>>152995334Are you blind and not seeing how much seething this is creating because BATMAN MUST BE BEST AT EVERYTHING and A GIRL CAN’T BEAT A MAN
>>152995332If you want geek cred, yes.
>>152995331Finn cried and died
>>152995369Kys
>>152995341Why? Comics are a product. You need to have your product appeal to people. Dinah beating Bruce doesn't appeal to the people who are most likely to read Batman comics. It's pretty straight forward for anyone who's not a Tom Taylor fan
>>152995357Well I don't.
>>152995317Yeah, she ran hot and cold.
>>152995352Yeah because it touches on a bigger issue of comics not appealing to their potential customers. They brought this criticism on themselves with over doing this shit so much for years
>>152995352"Black Canary could beat Batman" is goofy nonsense that can't be explained in any way other than "BECAUSE THE WRITER SAYS SO" and no kid has been reading these books in decades, can't buy that as an explanation.
>>152994923>These two try hard edge lords in posters pic lose to pic related
>>152995406>”BECAUSE THE WRITER SAYS SO”Based!
>>152995418Stay in the gutter, cspeshitter.
>>152995406She's a better martial artist is all the explanation it needs and the idea isn't even new. This is the type of shit only people who don't read comics, particularly either of theirs, would get mad at
>>152995433Learn to spell, faggot
>>152995426>simping for Tom TaylorShameful.
>>152995066>Nami is weak and other shonen heroines are more physically incapable than the male castWhat's more ridiculous is them not getting raped by villains or the men they hit for laugh.
>>152993855Would she use an arm bar hold on him? Maybe..I mean it worked when Black Panther did it on Silver Surfer.
>>152995316it's not an accusation, I genuinely want to know>>152995340do you know the name?
>>152995464That's why superhero comics are mature, we have lots of rape in them.
>>152995435>She's a better martial artist is all the explanation it needsYou're just restarting "because the writer says so."There is no plausible explanation for how she could be a better martial artist. >the idea isn't even new.Post the comics where Black Canary beat Batman in a fight. Seems the only argument people have in this thread is "But Lady Shiva...!" Oh, you mean this Lady Shiva, the one Batman beat in a straight fight? She could brutalize amateurs like Vic Sage, not Bruce "dedicated seven straight years of his life to learn how to fight crime" Wayne.
>>152995464>What's more ridiculous is them not getting raped by villains or the men they hit for laugh.Type of dude to hate DBZ because it’s all male and not pornfag yummies
>>152995492>straight fight>jason smacks her in the back of the head
>>152995500If a tap from a teenage boy was enough to give Batman a near-immediate victory, she was going to lose anyway.
>>152993855I can see it, Black Cannary is more of brawler while Batman is more of a ambush predator, put them in a boxing ring and she has the advantage in fighting style. Any other scenario I think Batman wins easily
>>152995492I think these anons are also missing the point that no one fucking cares if it was sort of implied or even confirmed that Black Canary is a better fighter than Bruce. Comics have become too faggy and stuff like that should change
>>152995517Don't underestimate teenagers, the Olympics have age restrictions for a reason
>>152995549Nice cope
>>152995573What exactly is the cope? More people think he's the best martial artist in DC than not. He's got hundreds of comics where him fighting Dinah isn't relevant what's so ever and where he'll be portrayed as a top tier fighter. Desperately trying to make Dinah the better fighter is the cope if anything
>>152993855What's the point of the gadgets and prep time if Batman is the bestest fighter of all time?He strategizes and uses his intelligence, money and resources to fill the gap
>>152993855This being true would be the best thing to happen to Batman in 25 years.Batgod is destroying not just Batman, but comics. >But he sells8 million people a week watch the Big Bang Theory spinoff. It's as funny as a baby being smothered in its crib.
>>152995569>Don't underestimate teenagers, the Olympics have age restrictions for a reasonI assume so preteens don’t get bodied?
>>152995616Not the best but better than Black Canary.
>>152995616Because being the best fighter still isn't enough for a war on crime.
>>152995629>Flash being the fastest being in the universe is destroying not just Flash, but comics.>Superman being not just the strongest being in the universe but the central point of the entire universe is destroying not just Superman, but comics.
>>152995673>Criminals are a superstitious, cowardly lotAre they actually though, the superstitious part feels like it doesn’t come up
>>152995710Yes, power creep
>>152995732That power creep happened in the Silver Age for those characters, especially Superman
>>152995549So you think to save comics you have to ignore or even outright about comics.
>>152995836Considering the medium picking and choosing what is and what isn't canon has been a thing since the start, yes they absolutely should ignore dumb shit like Dinah being able to beat Bruce. It's not even a hard-line rule and Batman is a flat out better character than her in every regard
>>152995492Batman in the past literally sought Shiva’s help to get himself in shape after Knighfall. It’s absolutely pathetic to try to argue Lady Shiva is a nobody Batman can defeat easily. As is trying to argue Shiva losing a fight where she’s fighting multiple people at once is proof Batman can win against her when we’re talking straight one to one bouts.
>>152995909>Batman is a flat out better character than her in every regardIs he more attractive?
>>152995406Not could. Dinah has canonically beat the shit out of Batman.
>>152996118Definitely. And he doesn't need a weave to look good
Batman would win cause he's more popular and Black Canary is just a woman.
>>152995656Black Canary is a better martial artist than Batman though.
>>152996298Nah.
>>152993855As someone who's favorite superhero is Batman, this whole argument is so fucking cringe. Who gives a fuck if he lost a single sparing match?
>>152996078>Batman in the past literally sought Shiva’s help to get himself in shape after Knighfall.Yeah when he was recovering from a broken back.> It’s absolutely pathetic to try to argue Lady Shiva is a nobody Batman can defeat easily. Good thing that wasn't my argument at all.> As is trying to argue Shiva losing a fight where she’s fighting multiple people at once is proof Batman can win against her when we’re talking straight one to one bouts.She wasn't fighting multiple people at once. She was fighting Batman, and Robin tapped her on the head once. That page spells out that she had no idea Robin was even there.>>152996151I see claims and no proof. Taylor's "Because I said so" garbage isn't any kind or proof.
It doesn't sound strange at all.he has all these gadgets and studies and reads a lot. And programs and builds things. She has a lot more time in her life to perfect her fighting techniques
Why are people ass angered over this? Humans in comics do ridiculous shit like get cut in half but walk it off the next issue, but a woman with a height and weight disadvantage being a better technical fighter than a man is less believable?
>>152996550Read more comics, tourist. Your headcanon is irrelevant.
>>152994642Woman only exist because of our restraint.
>>152996644Culture war soldiers aren't people. They're the only ones angry over this.
>>152996654Ok, obese retard
>>152993855>specialist in hand-to-hand combat vs jack-of-all-trade who just added hand-to-hand to his skillset.
>>152996654The only reason you're alive is because society is showing restraint in not rounding up incel parasites like you and putting you in mass graves.
Being in threesomes with strangers doesn't make you a better fighter.
>>152996720It does, read Baki
>>152996706Ok, faggot
>>152995710>Flash being the fastest being in the universe is destroying not just Flash, but comicsWriters spend like 10 years of stories showing us Wally going from just a fast guy to the fastest being.Superman postcrisis sorta did the same he start not being able to fight vampire and then he fough doomsday and others big treatsBatman writers just spent all the years showing how misserable was the character.
Normies don't even know who Black Canary is. So how can she win?
>>152993909He wasn't at a time but the past few decades of Batwank have made him so.
>>152996652Your argument has no substance so you just try to troll with empty one-liners. Meanwhile I can troll with actual examples.
>>152996644Because it's not just some guy, it's fucking Batman.
>>152996644It's cringe when all the best fighters are women. I can suspend my disbelief enough to accept some in that highest tier group but this is just getting ridiculous all for the same of stupid feminism movement.
>>152996671>specialist in hand-to-hand combat (Batman) vs jack-of-all-trade who just added hand-to-hand to her skillset(Black Canary).
>>152996840Read more comics, tourist.
>>152996736Baki is actually kino unlike capeshit but some on /co/ might get triggered because they're all males.
>>152996888>Black Canary could TOTALLY beat Batman
>>152996890Ok, seething faggot
>>152993855It's the same level of fake accomplishment to prop-up women, Remember when She-Hulk beat The Champion of the Universe? That was bullshit too.
>>152996873Batfags readers and even writers spent the first decade of this century trying to mock and made less relevant the male martial artist.They even tried to made batman draw against fucking karate kid kek
>>152996981Faggot
>>152997087I accept your concession batroon
>>152993855>>152993874No
>>152996666silence mega satan
>>152996873True
>>152997186Cope
>>152996863So what? Batman's not even the best fighter in DC, nor is he the strongest, fastest, toughest, or smartest human, he's multidisciplined but he's not the best at anything, so it's completely plausible that he'll be outclassed in something.
>>152993855“Breaks the Internet”? What is this 2012 horseshit?
>>152996550>Robin tapped her on the head once. That page spells out that she had no idea Robin was even there.Which just makes Batman’s victory be based on cheating
Literally no character is more powerful than any other, since anyone can just write them winning if they want.
It really tells you something about the state of /co/ when 99% of the people here whining about Batman’s defeat haven’t even read the actual comic. Because if you had you would know that the match between Bruce and Dinah is not all out free for all martial arts match. It’s the two of them boxing. As a way to celebrate Ted Grant, who’s dead. And the narration goes out of its way to say that although both of them were trained by Wildcat it was Dinah who basically lived in Ted’s gym and learned everything Ted could teach about boxing. That she mastered it. While, as we all know, Batman’s deal was to learn the basics and get good at it and then fuck off to the next thing he wanted to learn. Batman is not the best boxer on the planet.
>>152996981Dinah would beat Karate Kid.
>>152997384That's gay though and only written that way to show off her beating Batman for feminism brownie points. Plenty of non cringe ways to show us she's a good boxer even though Batman would still beat her
>>152997400Beat his meat while Oliver Queen watches. Anyway, Batman is a better fighter than Dinah Lance. Why else did Amanda Waller want to clone him and everyone and their mom want his seeds. Even Darkseid wanted an army of Batmen
>>152997384It's goofy "I'm the writer so what I says goes" to even have Black Canary in Batman's weight class no matter how much training she's had. Just some loser writing a subject he knows nothing about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_class_(boxing)
>/co/ and chuds actually don't read comicsthe most disappointing part in all of this is the attention this complete nothingburger is giving that fag Taylor. If only there was a way to stop performative outrage
>>152997384>Batman is not the best boxer on the planet.But with his physical advantages, he's plausibly better than any human-baseline woman boxer on the planet.
>>152997459Batman has trouble knocking out Joker
>>152997489>BUT HIS WEIGHTThat doesn’t stop you from being knocked out
>>152995289Please tell me you’re joking.Read any comics Black Canary or Shiva comics from 2004-2011.
>>152997509A weight and reach advantage makes it a lot harder for someone to knock you out. hence weight classes in boxing. And also sex-divided competition.
>>152997500Joker fights back with weapons and has an extremely high pain threshold thanks to being cuh-razy.
>>152993855>Sneaky male feminist promoting Gynocentrism?Say it isn't so!?
>>152997509Tom Taylor is a pro gay pro feminist hack. Fans don’t respect him, writers don’t respect him, his parents certain don’t respect him
>>152997537He's also used to handling punch lines.
>>152993855>"breaks the internet"Sure sounds like another clickbait content farm headline. And of course it's on some fucking casual tweets. Content mills must be running low on bait this week if this is what they're trying to milk.
>unironically bringing up weight classes and sexual dimorphism in a capeshit discussion what are we doing here? Strongest martial artists in the setting are 2 asian chicks, one of which is a teenager
>>152997545This board couldn’t stop fellating Taylor when he wrote Injustice comics
>>152993855Tom Taylor is a nigger faggot yes he is
>>152997527And Dinah is good enough that it doesn’t matter
>>152997579Everyone makes mistakes.
>>152997489That only means he can win through physical prowess when the opponent is more technically skilled as a fighter, Dinah would still be the better boxer in the end. Batman hangs with better fighters because he usually has the advantage of an armored suit and/or bullshit gadgets. Batman's not the best at any one thing, he's capable because he's multidisciplined in a lot of things and combines them to make up for shortcomings in any one area.
>>152997589How did you reach this conclusion? Did you not see Batman's reach advantage in OP?
>>152996744Prove me wrong.
>>152997605Sure, replace this putty with a closed fist and Dinah Lance would need braces for the rest of her life
>>152997602>That only means he can win through physical prowessWhich is the question in a boxing match.>Dinah would still be the better boxer in the end.Whether she's more skilled or not, if she loses a fair match, she's not the better boxer. Physical traits combine with skill to determine how good a person is at physical tasks.
>>152997483Maybe comics should stop sucking if they want people to read them.
>>152997641He were awesome when they wanked Batman. Batman who laugh was the most popular comic ever
>>152997483>If only there was a way to stop performative outrageYou're so close to understanding
>>152997623>Which is the question in a boxing match.If Dinah lands more hits and doesn't get knocked down, which is likely, she's winning. I don't see how this is hard to follow.>Whether she's more skilled or not, if she loses a fair match, she's not the better boxer. Physical traits combine with skill to determine how good a person is at physical tasks.Love how physical stats only matter when it's Batman against another unenhanced human, but him not getting instantly rocked or somehow beating superhumans in a fight is accepted with no issue despite the gap being a lot wider.
>>152997698>but him not getting instantly rocked or somehow beating superhumans in a fight is accepted with no issue despite the gap being a lot widerPlenty of people hate this. You're just deflecting because you know Dinah beating him is cringe
>>152997621Batman can detach his fist? Don't be stupid, incel.
>>152997698>If Dinah lands more hits and doesn't get knocked down, which is likely,Why do you think that is, when she's at severe physical disadvantages? If she approaches close enough to actually hit Batman, he has several inches of reach to land a solid hit on her in more places than she can reach him, and his weight advantage means that he can hit a lot harder than she can.>him not getting instantly rocked or somehow beating superhumans in a fight is accepted with no issue despite the gap being a lot wider.Because that's not a boxing match with rules. That's an actual fight where Batman cheats and uses weapons, armor, surprise attacks, etc.
>>152997743He could with prep time, no doubt.
>>152997710>Plenty of people hate this.IDGAF what Batchuds think, them relentlessly sucking off a character to be the best thing ever is secondhand embarrassing.>You're just deflecting because you know Dinah beating him is cringeBatman beating everyone "because he's Batman" is cringe.
>>152997776No one thinks he should beat everyone. Everyone is correctly telling Taylor and his fanboys he'd beat Dinah>IDGAF what batchuds thinkBetter than thinking scrubs like Dinah should be able to beat him
>>152993909>>152994453>>152994531>>152997245Batman doesn't have to be the absolute best fighter but there is no way he wouldn't be better than a woman without superpowers. No amount of training could ever bridge the strength gap that exists between Bruce and someone like Shiva or Dinah. If a woman needs to kick Batman's ass to take him down a peg at least have be it believable, like Wonder Woman or Supergirl.
>>152997748>If she approaches close enough to actually hit Batman, he has several inches of reach to land a solid hit on her in more places than she can reach himShe can dodge him well enough to get inside his reach>his weight advantage means that he can hit a lot harder than she can.Since when does that matter when 12-year-olds can put guys 6'2'' guys built like linebackers on their ass with a kick to the chest?>>152997748>Because that's not a boxing match with rules.Which makes it worse, because those superhumans are trying to murder him. He shouldn't even be able to hang with them, much less beat them if they were serious about seriously injuring him.>That's an actual fight where Batman cheats and uses weapons, armor, surprise attacks, etc.The fights where he bullshits wins against the likes of Talons or Deathstroke, who are superhuman, using his fists don't count?Like I said, it's funny how physical stats matter NOW when they never did when Batman throws hands against superhumans.
>>152997873>She can dodge him well enough to get inside his reachHow did you reach this conclusion?>Since when does that matter when 12-year-olds can put guys 6'2'' guys built like linebackers on their ass with a kick to the chest?Since the scenario is a boxing match that doesn't involve kicks. Batman has a longer kick range too, though, and can kick a lot harder.>it's funny how physical stats matter NOW...in the thread about a boxing match between two non-superpowered characters.
>>152997858>woman without superpowers.
Batman kicks with a force of a head on car collision. There’s a reason why Dinah isn’t breathing through a tube. He was holding back
>>152997981>How did you reach this conclusion?Because she can, about as well as a reason as anyone can bullshit Batman winning against someone that should be his physical superior.>Since the scenario is a boxing match that doesn't involve kicks. Batman has a longer kick range too, though, and can kick a lot harder.The point was that it's useless to argue on that front simply because if a 12-year-old Robin that weighs, at most, like 110 pounds, can send a guy built like a tank flat on his ass with a kick, then size and weight obviously doesn't matter much, but because Robin was given Tibetan Monk training bullshit, they just can. Dinah has better training and technique than Bruce in boxing, therefore she's more likely to beat Bruce in a boxing match.>...in the thread about a boxing match between two non-superpowered characters.You're the one arguing physical stats mattering when it's two unpowered humans, where the gap in physical capability is smaller, compared to Batman fighting and winning against people that are his physical superior by a wider margin with straight fists.Also>Black Canary>non-superpowered
>>152998099Nta but Batman would kick her ass for no other reason than he's cool and she's not. Fucking nerds like you need to re learn what the rule of cool is
>>152993855This was engineered to get exactly this response and you’re taking the bait. Of course a fucking stripper in fishnets and heels can’t beat up Batman, but don’t answer a fool according to his folly.
>>152998099>Because she canSo you don't have an actual reason. For any of that.>>Black Canary>non-superpoweredWhat superpowers does she have which are relevant to a boxing match?
>>152998151>Of course a fucking stripper in fishnets and heels can’t beat up BatmanAeon Flux could.
>>152998183No, she always dies like a bitch.
>>152998193But Batman doesn't kill.
>>152998132>wah wah Yes, we know, it's pretty damn entertaining watching hardcore Batfags lose their shit over this.>>152998158>So you don't have an actual reason. For any of that.Batfags can't even finagle one without running into walls and twisting themselves into pretzels to explain how he should win despite unwittingly giving providing reasons as to why Batman should never win against the opponents he's beaten.>What superpowers does she have which are relevant to a boxing match?The same ones Bruce has.
>>152998231No one is really losing their shit though. There's like two anons defending Taylor with paragraphs of text to justify something anyone who read comics knows is bullshit. People like you are why comics aren't cool
>>152998213Doesn't need to.
>>152993874So did Batman
>>152998266>No one is really losing their shit thoughYou're just lying. There's people whining that a WOMAN beat BATMAN non-stop. They don't even care about the character, it's just that it was a WOMAN and that's BAD cause culture war bullshit.You're all so tiring.
>>152998231>The same ones Bruce has.She's fabulously rich?
>>152998335Plenty of people in the thread have acknowledged that shiva could give him a run for his money and beat him depending on the context. Dinah simply couldn't and everyone here is aware of who she is. You are not enlightening anyone to some deep cut knowledge, you're just stupid>There's people whining that a WOMAN beat BATMAN non-stop And yes comics have been too gay for way too long. Faggot shit like this needs to be rejected not enabled
I don't know much about Black Canary other than her appearances in JLI (I think she wasn't on the roster for a very long time there either) and a couple of Batman/Green Arrow team-ups. I always had the impression that she was just kind of a standard 'beat 'em up' style vigilante with minimal formal training.What are some comics/runs that I should check out to get a good understanding of the character?
>>152998452Birds of Prey with penis in hand
>>152993855Bruce was never the apex hand-to-hand fighterDick is a better fighter. Tim is a better detective.What makes Bruce Bats so powerful is he's an all-rounder, he's not the best in anything but he's GOOD at just about everything
>>152998484From what I've seen of BoP I don't think I would like it very much. Is there some fun stuff from the 80s?
>>152997578There's a lot of mystic woo with martial arts that makes it acceptable. Canonically Cass's training biohacked her into becoming a non-metahuman metahuman.
>>152998524>Strength's just under 2.6 times baseline.So she's almost as strong as the men there?
>>152998524>super strength>strength's just under 2.6 times baselineI don't get it
>>152998595She's 2.59 times stronger than what someone like her should be.
>>152998689ohI completely misunderstood that statement, I get it now
I could probably buy Cass being a better fighter than Bruce because it is my understanding that her character was one of those 'bred from birth to be a perfect assassin' kind of deals. Batman is definitely extremely good at everything (too much for my liking compared to older Batman comics) but I don't mind if autistic min/maxers beat him at a specific trait. I wouldn't mind if Elongated Man was a better detective for example.Black Canary doesn't strike me as a character that has a good in-universe reason to be a better fighter than someone who dedicated his entire teenage and adult years to being the best crime fighter possible. Especially when you factor in how much more money and time Bruce had to put himself toward the goal than Dinah would have.
>>152999846Nah, she trains a lot, I could put her inBruce tier so winning in a sparring is obvious.Actually, I prefer this current status quo because batfamily fans are usually obsessed with martial arts+ preptime = my character win , I remember some of them believing Harley Quinn could beat Zatanna because Quinn got trained by Batman, pretending that Zatanna never trained under a martial artist kek
>>152993942Detective Chimp would also be a more dangerous fighter frankly, I would not fear being punched by Batman but I don't want to even graze a backhand from a Chimpanzee
>>152998132Paul Dini think Dinna and Zatanna are cool, you troon.Only people who started reading with Snyder or troons who read chungus Batman webcomics would seethe at black canary.
>>152993942Batman is the second best at everything second smartest guy after lexsecond best detective after Detective ChimpSecond best fighter after Black Canary
>>152994531In a straight up fight, probably. Or in a sparring match like this particular comic. But not in the streets suited up. Bats would use gas, concussives, flashbangs, etc to give him the edge.
>>152997858This is comics dude, some chicks can be better than guys.
>>153000126That's really cool, anon. Dinah still couldn't beat Bruce in a fight
>>153000038How much does she train? Does she have a life outside of training?My point is that Bruce did NOTHING other than learn how to be the best crimefighter he could be. He didn't need to hold up a job or worry about rent or social appearances or existing outside of crime fighting. He did that for years.I genuinely just don't know enough about Black Canary but she never struck me as someone that is autistically devoted to crime fighting to the point where she does not have a life outside of law enforcement. Is she a rich woman about town or something? I always thought she was a regular working-Joe kind of middle class superhero.
>>152993855Well yes of course because its canon!! right if its printed means its written in stone
>>152993855If it was a MMA fight probably she could give him a fight at least, not win, but in a boxing match? get the fuck outta here
>>152993855Internet is working fine though.
>>152993855I honestly wouldn’t care if this didn’t mean that Black Canary fans will use this moment to glaze the fuck out of Black Canary in the future to imply that she’s strong enough to beat everyone because one writer decided to have her fighting Batman and winning once.So meh. Fuck Tom Taylor. Just made two fandoms more obnoxious.
>>153001235I've never seen Black Canary fans insist she could tag the Flash or fist fight Superman. Meanwhile "Batfans" do shit like this.
>>152993855who the fuck cares?
So who would win in a fight between Dinah and Bronze Tiger?
Oh great. Two obnoxious fandoms fighting.
>>153001317>Black Canary fans never give constructive criticism, never tell the truth and just consume slop like pigs.
>>153001317While that guy was too short-sighted to see GA's potential, he's right in that the pre-O'Neil/Adams GA was a boring non-entity and a Batman ripoff with his "Arrow Cave."
This isn't even weird? Dinah trained under Wildcat. This is like the fags mad that Detective Chimp is better detective than Batman
Batgod and batwank are fucking annoying as shit but does Black Canary even have anything going on aside from this? She's never more than a supporting character so who really cares about her feats or power levels?
>>152998183Well that’s different, she’d divert too much blood from his brain
>>153002146Weight classes in boxing were established because no one wants to see heavyweights demolish lightweights in seconds, it's boring, It doesn't matter how much training she has, she can't win other than by the writer's say so.
>>153000604>I genuinely just don't know enough about Black Canary but she never struck me as someone that is autistically devoted to crime fighting to the point where she does not have a life outside of law enforcementShe's been training to be a crime fighter since she was a kid and was kind of the JSA's collective niece, depending on the continuity.
>>152996644Superwoman in comics should be half as strong as their male counterparts
>>152996654This unironically, the ladies have to be our fail safe in learning patience when being aggressive, plus sex and kids.
>>153002203>She's never more than a supporting characterBirds of Prey was basically her stealth book during all the 90's. Blame Dixon for it.
>Black Canary fans never give constructive criticism, never tell the truth and just consume slop like pigs.
>>152994642>There are countless women who would literally beat you to deathlel you can only say this because you assume I'm a fat lardass who doesn't exercise or fight regularly.But you're not talking about a lard ass here you retard. You're talking about FUCKING BATMAN. A guy who has mastered who knows how many martial arts and that has fought people ten times more stronger and taller than him and won.No single woman on Earth would be a match to him on a one and one fight. No fucking way. This is one of those situations where biology will not allow Batman to lose. Unless your writer asspulls say the woman is genetically enhanced or some shit like that, Batman can't lose
>>153000251No, comicbook heroes are for modern myths boys, girls should not be part of that concept as far as matching their powers and physical abilities.
>>153002353>Weight classes in boxing were established because no one wants to see heavyweights demolish lightweightsDinah is an MMA fighter who can use bigger opponent's weight against them. By your logic, Batman should never be able to fight Bane
>>153002604Cope
>>152997400Most anyone we care to discuss would beat Karate Kid like a red-headed stepchild, because no writer is going to have a crowd favorite lose to fucking Karate Kid.
>>152995023Batman in TAS was street tier. Wild animals and determined assailants posed a threat to him.
>>153002576Pretty sure your average Batman fan are bodybuilders or active fighters Caucasian male. Your average black canary fan are gooners comic creeps
>>152994931Only legitimate take.
>>153000185Batman is smarter than Lex, Batman is better than Chimp, Batman is better than Black Canary. Batman being the best is obvious when all these no names you mention are clout chaser trying to steal Batman’s number one. Batman is literally physically and mentally perfect. He has been for over 80 years.
>>153003303Your average batman fans are not fucking bodybuilders lmao, I've never in my life seen a bdoybuilder in a comic store, and I'm a millenial who has been going to them my entire life.
>>153003332The most fence sitting take ever. Stan Lee is wrong and has been wrong about gauging a characters strength since Spider-Man #33
>>153003405>t. Fat retard that jerk off to black canary Us Batmen go to the gym not the Comic store
>>153002587>You're talking about FUCKING BATMAN. A guy who has mastered who knows how many martial arts and that has fought people ten times more stronger and taller than him and won.All of this is applicable to Black Canary. So it's not much in the way of an argument.
>>152993855The best women athletes in the world get their asses kicked by middle school boys. There is no way a C-list coombait character would be able to beat Batman, let alone be the best fighter.
Batfags truly are insufferable. I mean it. Dude is a competent hero and jack of all trades, but god damn do his fans throw a bitchfit like >>153003524 here whenever you tell them what's actually canon. Lady Fucking Shiva is a better fighter than Bruce
>>153003623It's just some troll shitposting.
>>153003623You’re literally the only one raging. It’s obvious it’s you because how your insistent usage of ad hominem. Give an actual argument
This is bullshit! Batman should have gotten in his Hellbat armor and beaten that bitch like she owed him money.
>>152994729KWAB since the Black Canary says she is connected to Shiva, Batman like his master, David Cain, will reeducate an arrogant bitch and impregnate her
>>153003783Batman wouldn’t need to, he’d beat Black Canary like he did Green Arrow
>>153003735>One PageYeah let's just ignore the years of canon that say otherwise....
>>153003856It's not about needing to, it's about asserting his dominance over the other Justice Leaguers.
>>152999846Her entire character is following her mother’s footsteps and being trained by JSA members like Wildcat since she was young. Jesus fucking Christ, why has nobody here read any goddamn comics.
>>153003495If they're on equal grounds on skills and fighting knowledge, then Batman will win on the virtue he's a man. No man has ever lost a fight to a woman when they were on equal ground. Biology will give the edge to the man. Hell it's not even real equal ground because Batman is taller even.
>>153003623You're arguing power scaling in comics. In men vs women even. In the current year no man will ever be allowed to beat a woman. Case in point, Tom Taylor arguing tis retardation. Let's do Superman vs Black Canary and the faggot would still say Canary would win.
>>153005522Black Canary also has the biological advantage that she has superpowers and Bruce doesn't though if we're whipping that sorta logic out.
>>153005571>In the current year no man will ever be allowed to beat a womanAbsolutely adorable you morons believe this when female solo titles have this happen all the time.
>>153005649There is no advantage when she doesn’t use her sonic cry
>>152993855I think we just have to confront the fact that Black Canary is to Tom Taylor what Catwoman is to Tom King.
Oh boy a literal who has an opinion no one asked for or cares about! Thank god!
>>153003497Wolverine was Marvel's Batwank
>>152994642For everyone who thinks women are anywhere near as capable in the realm of men in fighting heres the "GWOAT" female boxer with multiple championships. Getting BTFO by some rando dude in a boxing gym. It's just reality.
>>153005522>If they're on equal grounds on skills and fighting knowledge, then Batman will win on the virtue he's a man. No man has ever lost a fight to a woman when they were on equal groundBecause of Biological realities* that are not in play in a fictional context. Which is to say:Comics aren't real life, moron.
>>153005874Batman writers has been doing that since 1999, because they missunderstand Dark Knight returns.
>>152993855Don’t people break their own bones when they punch Batman’s helmet?
>>152997384That only makes it worse. Boxing is not a legit martial art, it's a sport and the weight class difference would pay an even bigger factor than a free for all fight. Also, they're not wearing gloves? That makes things even worse.
>>152997500Why doesn't Black Canary take care of Joker then? Oh right because she would get raped... again.
>>153007157They are wearing gloves, the OP picture is from an entirely different comic . You’d know that if YOU READ ANYTHING
>>152999846>I could probably buy Cass being a better fighter than BruceThat's even worse than Dinah. Not only is she a 4 foot 3 little girl with no actual power, but there is no plausible way you can tell me a teenager is faster than someone in their prime. There are two major problems with Cassancra Cain1) is that I could buy that she would one day become the best martial artist in the DC universe but in the present she is all potential because she is a child and2) The character is garbage, her creation was based on shitting on a long established female character. I'm sure there are Cass fans that also call themselves Shiva fans but you can't be a Shiva fan and like this shit character.
>>153001317Under a red sun she would beat the absolute fuck out of Superman without breaking a sweat.
>>153003623>Lady Fucking Shiva is a better fighter than BruceFeminism at its finest.
>ITT people who don’t read comics throw tantrums over things that happen in comics
>>153003930Let's ignore what her actual creator says in favor of... Tom Taylor and James "Hi I have to remind you I am an obese bisexual" Tynion.
>>153007172Don't shame someone for not reading Tom Taylor garbage.
>>152993855No stop it, only batfamily gets wanked. Stop it, I self insert as him! He would use preptime and tech to win the no tech prep timeless sparring match!
>>153007275>I self insert as himForgot to mention that even though I self insert as him I must admit that he is still below Cassandra Cain, Dick Grayson, Harley Quinn, Posion Ivy, Terry McGinnis and a time traveling Tim Drake from the future. He is not top 10 detective or martial artist!
>>152993855Eddie Fyers once clowned deathstroke in a shootout (monkey cult crossover), trying to actually apply hard levels to martial arts or spy dc characters is such a stupid thing to do.
Really? Whole thread and no one posted Black Canary getting her shit rocked by a random thug?
>>153006326This. He was basically a stronger than average guy with a metal skeleton and really really sharp claws that could heal faster than a normal human but not to the extent that he couldn't die if he got fucked up badly enough, and was generally looked upon as the weakest X-Men and not at all regarded as a particularly influential figure in-universe. Then he blew up in popularity, and all of a sudden he's acknowledged as one of the world's best fighters, can heal from getting turned into a skeleton, was a part of nearly every important event that happened to various characters, is everybody's best friend despite being a belligerent murderous asshole, and is regarded as one of mutantdom's most important pillars and a "must have" for various super teams.Popularity is the real superpower here, it can be used to justify any character being the biggest badass ever despite it not making sense, same as how Batman is given the "the most dangerous man in the world" wank despite it being patently untrue.
>>153007376I don't think that'd help the argument since Batman has just as often gotten rocked by random thugs
>>152993855DC is really going>we should make Batman less cool>wtf? why aren't kids buying Batman comics?>fuck you manchildren, if you don't like it, don't buy it>why are our sales plummeting year over year?
>>153008027>/co/: BATGOD BAD>/co/: BAAAWWWW BATMAN IS THE BEST AT EVERYTHING
>>153006326Judging from that pic it's Spider-wank.
This is what Black Canary would do to Bruce if she got ahold of him.
>>153006623we know, and it's like this in any sport where conditions are equal. If a woman ever wins, it's because the opponent had a handicap of some form, whether in weight, height, or outnumbered
>>152993855Any character has potential for beating any other character.
>>153008367>in any sport where conditions are equalThere are a couple exceptions. Sharpshooting and ultramarathons IIRC.
>>153008436You're lazy.
>>153008027DC has been selling more the last year, while batman sales was in decline since tom king (while Absolute sells like hotcakes)
>>152997580Many faggot niggers are saying this.
>>153010322Tom Taylor wrote Injustice and made Jonathan Kent gay. If anyone’s a faggot, it’s YOU
>>153008332YASSSS QUEEN
>>153008074BatGOS GOOD MAN GOOD GAY FAMILY BAD The only people complaining about Batman preptime are the same people who think Nightwing is stronger. It’s always an agenda and at the end of that, nothing burger
>>153002969>Dinah is an MMA fighter who can use bigger opponent's weight against them.This wasn't MMA, it was boxing.>By your logic, Batman should never be able to fight BaneThey are both heavyweights and Batman very famously got demolished by Bane in their first encounter.
>>152993855Yeah probably if the fight was a rules abiding cage match where each opponent stepped in and took a stance and began brawling. But I tend to think it's more Batman's way to drop a few flashbangs in front of Dinah's face and then kick the back of her head while she is disoriented.
Why are people acting so retarded suddenly?Batman would still win but he'd use a gadget from his belt or use the environment.Even in the video games he never beats anyone in pure skill.
>>153010983>>153011094yeah he'd do one of these are just creep up on her for a sneak attack
>>153009874Then how is Joker still alive? How does Batman survive Deathstroke, Bane, or Deadshot? How is anyone a threat to Superman, Green Lantern or the Flash?
>>153011094They literally made a whole ass game (Batman: Arkham Origins) about Batman taking on assassins who are better than him. It took a combination of luck and trickery for him to survive the night
>>153011094The particular context for this fight is a boxing match. Would Batman lose a boxing match to someone like Big Barda? Yeah, that's a possibility. Would a 6'2 210 lb man lose to a 5'4 130 lb anyone? No, that's retarded.
