Why is western animation so expensive?
Hiring Hollywood actors to voice characters instead of just getting normal voice actors.And not even just for main characters, but for random side characters who show up for like 3 episodes.
Invincible has Hollywood actors voice acting, licensed music from big artists, and has longer runtimes per episodeYeah, the budget's pretty bloated
>>153013474Because they actually pay their workers. I see in anime lots of complaints about stuff like overwork, extremely insane deadlines, and poor pay.
>>153013553>Because they actually pay their workers.Anon, Invincible outsourced its animation to literal slave workers in North Korea.
>>153013553Go ask the Invicible animators what they think of their own salary.
>>153013474>shit nobody watches vs thing people are watching
>>153013690The best part is, I'm not sure which is which in your comparison.
>>153013714Im saying nobody is watching jjk. Nobody human anyway.
>>153013731Don't be mean anon
>>153013489Hell, even professional voice actors cost a shitfuck of money.The Simpsons ruined everything.
>>153013474America is designed to extract money from the earth using various supermassive evil portals such as Hollywood
corruption bloat
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>>153013731That's definitely not true, that shit even makes it into the global top 10 on Netflix almost every week, and that's not even the primary streaming platform it shows up on.
>>153013489The sad thing is you'd imagine indie animations getting a lot of views and good reviews, for better or worse, would shake the delusion you need known names to VA something people will bother watching.Thing is I doubt it's even about that, it's likely big names are given the roles in hopes they'll pony up contacts in the movie industry for the script writers to make a career through that's higher paying if not more stable than writing for comics and animated shows. It's all reeks of incest.
>>153013731lol, JJK might be stupid but Invincible, like its viewers and especially writers, is one a whole other level of retardation
>>153013562>>153013657Are you aware that the director of this season of JJK, Goshozono Shota, decided to left Japan because Illumination offered him a much better contract that whatever studio in Japan was offering to him.
>>153013474Western artists cost more.
>>153013828That is the same in Japan. Voice acting takes a lot of the budget of an anime. That being said the figure in OP is heavely outdated. Producing an anime episode in today economy is probably 8 to 10 times more expensive.
Japanese studios overwork and screw over their animators really badly.JJK is shit and the only good thing about it is the animation, so it sucks that the animators get paid so little for being the sole reason the show is liked at all.
>>153013474Gonna explain it to you this time, and clap in between each word so it sticksanimationexecutivesareembezzlingthemoneygoing digital should have made animation cost literally one-onethousandth what it used to cost, yet instead they acted like it actually got more expensive.
>>153013928google killed indie animation. now there's literally nowhere to host it.
American animators are talentless. It needs to be said.A lot of the very talented oldheads have said this, and warned of it, and they kept being ignored. Art schools don’t even teach you the basics anymore, and the people who graduate them now don’t know how to do anything as a result. I’ve increasingly seen Western animations hire teams of newbie graduates, and every time it turns out abysmal, and people throw out all sorts of excuses like “budget” or “execs” and never just stop to think “maybe these california college graduates fucking suck.”Not to mention that Invincible specifically outsourced its animation to China — and China outsourced it to North fucking Korea. Not even to Worst Korea, to North Korea of all places.Anyway most of this thread will just be people throwing around vague excuses of Japan being abusive slavedrivers to nonetheless absurdly motivated animators because they think Korea and Japan and China are all the same country.
>>153014493how can you outsource something to a country with no economy and no infrastructureand then how could that country send it to north korea?
>>153014502>how can you outsource something to a country with no economy and no infrastructureHuh?
>>153014502Heh
doesn't invincible have double length episodes and voice talent california tier voice talent
>>153013816>>153013893>>153014046Cope. Jjk is dogshit. At least invincible was made for the west by the west. Jjk is made for the Japanese. I'll pick the one directed at who i am anyday.
>>153014556The one full of blacked and cuckshit and gays and fat lesbians and abortions is directed towards you?Kek
>>153014583Cuckoldry is a strong superhero tradition, anon.
>>153014583And its got more hot girls than jjk ever could dream of creating.
>>153014596Did you click the wrong image, or…
>>153014596Someone please teach americans to stop drawing fatty fridge waists. Thank you.
>new shonenshit fotm>open box>same as all previous screamy powerup shonenshit that came before itcomics are trash too but shonenshit and its (sadly predominantly adult) fanbase deserve mockery
>>153014629>>153014640The west makes better girls than anime could hope.
>>153014688I got 15 episodes into JJK wondering the whole time when it was going to get good. Realized it never would and dropped it.
>>153014688>new shonenshit fotmThis thing has been running for 6 years. How it is fotm?
>>153014697Sorry anon, but if you're gonna bait you have to say something that could feasibly be believable.
>>153013884The OP asked a very punctual question.You somehow read a "me vs you" console warSo tell me, who is the one brain-rotted here?
I don't know how accurate those numbers are but considering people unironically believed the budget of Reze movie was just 4M just because there was an article on Yahoo news that a random Jap guessing it was 4M, I assume it's also bullshit I hope this trend ends asapIt's still definitely true that anime budgets are normally pretty low and it's a skill issue tho
>>153013474>Why is western animation so expensive?>"Japanese" Animation>Look inside>Its actually Korean>"Western" Animation>Look inside>Its actually Korean
>>153014819damn koreans ripping off the noble american
>>153014748Old shit can be FOTM retard. You're seriously learning this on /co/ of all places?
>>153014819Why are you guys like this? Japs normally animate most of key animations themselves, which was always the case, and hiring Koreans became too expensive for Japan when they just want cheap animators and that's why they are making American cartoons now
>>153014903>"Anonymous" user>Look inside>Its actually Korean
>>153014927many such cases
>>153014748Anon is an ESL who doesn't know that FotM means "Flavor of the month."/co/ for some reason is full of a lot of ESL LatAms and Euros who mangle the language.
>>153014750I aint baiting. Anissa mogs every jjk girl too.
>>153013474Anime is VERY good at optimizing costs, pretty much the only people paid well are the big-name voice actresses, and nobody minds because SEAs devote their entire lives to their jobs and nothing else (like having kids).Also anime is really good at tricking people into thinking the animation is better than it is, by doing shit like:>interrupting an expensive fight to do flashbacks (reusing clips from older episodes)>doing animation cycles and pans, like panning up a character in a cool pose while their hair cycles between the same three frames for ten whole seconds while someone's narrating, probably talking about how much struggle it took to get to this point>having the side characters interrupt intense (expensive) fights by talking about the struggles the MC had to go through to get to this point (as you can tell, anime LOVES doing this shit)>the whole lip-flapping thing and at best cycling two (2) mouths during any given chat>constantly reusing cels and frames whenever possible, like cycling the background frames 99999 times to show how fast the characters are moving>saving up all the animation budget for one (1) fight so that retards on the internet post and repost that one (1) scene 9999999999 times to act like all anime is like this at all times>sometimes having the anime that aired on TV be a shit budget version which then they fix up and upgrade for the DVD/streaming copy, which is what gets piratedAlso the west's cartoons tend to have overblown budgets for a lot of reasons, like how most cartoon studios are located in urban hellholes where the cost of living is 50x higher than anywhere else.
>>153014271WTF is this chart? It makes no sense.
>>153014959Again, you have to post believable opinions if you're going to bait.
>>153014959>fanartConcession accepted.
>>153013553>Because they actually pay their workers.You think I don't see those korean names in the credits?
>>153014989That was just the last image I had of her.
>>153013474EVERYTHING is expensive in the West. It's because of unions and worker rights laws. It's why your house cost 1 mil to build. Animators in Asia live hand to mouth.
>>153014688>>new shonenshit fotmNigga the movie for that series from FIVE years ago was one of the ones with a profit margin people were using for bait for years, along with the Demon Slayer movie.
>>153015035see>>153015001
>>153013474Money laundering, and overpaid actors mostly. Japanese work slave wages for shit pay but the Koreans who do most of the actual western animation get it even worse.
>>153013474Third worlder brownoid thread
>>153014970>like how most cartoon studios are located in urban hellholes where the cost of living is 50x higher than anywhere elseCause that's where the talent/ funding is. You need a lot of both monetary and social capital to make animation anywhere that isn't in the overpriced hellhole that is California.
It's a waste of time because whenever Japan does better than the west, westeners just claim Japan is cheating. It was literally always the case.And the west can actually control the narrative and they ''win''. Western ''liberals'' don't give a fuck.
>>153015050You wouldnt know the op pic is about a movie at a glance desu
Now show me how much they actually spent on the cartoon AFTER the audit clears things up.
>>153013474I counter your unsourced twitter slop image with a barely sourced meta slop image!
>>153014493No one except Disney ever wanted to take money away from making films to make better animators, and NYC public schools stopped training commercial artists to draw around when digital layout was invented so you couldn’t get them precooked anymore. Efforts were made to grow staff to great success during the Renaissance. Then the internet convinced us that the good artists would magically self-train given access to information if they had any aptitude and within a couple generations we ran out of people who knew how to draw.
>>153014490They got us one step at a time yet all at once.People scoffed whenever monopolization and salami slicing were brought up as warnings, but look what happened to artists who were too reliant and trusting with things like Tumblr.
>>153014724JJK's kind of bad, not going to lie. The first arcs are dreadful, it only really gets going during Shibuya, then it's just ok afterwards. JJK is just Naruto and Bleach slammed together and is worse than both of those even though they have plenty of issues themselves.
>>153015125I don't understand why they even pump money into Solo Leveling when the audience will clearly watch whatever you put in front of them regardless of quality or content.
>>153015069The salary of voice actors is also a mayor part of the budget of an anime in Japan.
>>153015171To pay foreigner animators. That is the only reason, and with the depreciation of the Yen in the last years they would end up paying more.
>>153014271>comparing Japanese voice actors to western voice actors disingenuous
>>153015171No one would have given a single shit about Solo Leveing if it didn't have the animation budget it had instead of any other low budget isekai shit that was produced.
>>153014959>retarded coomfags with dogshit taste in fanart are the ones mindlessly defending western mediaComicbros...
>a literal who comic in the west is getting one of the best cartoons in the west instead of a big name like Superman(forget about that sissy voltron like terrible cartoon) or Iron Man>biggest IPs in Japan gets dogshit animation >except for literal who flavor of the season ones like Frieren, who are absolutely boring That's the biggest mystery for me. Currently we are going to get a new Hokuto No Ken anime, one of the most profitable IPs in Japan, yet it's a butt ugly CGI animation that made everyone remember the Berserk terrible CGI anime.I will never understand how economy works on those.
>>153015396More to add>Dragon Ball Super made the internet to break, even with poor animation. perhaps the biggest IP in Japan after Pokemon >gets a worldwide movie that has inconsistent animation, sometimes with abyssal quality >following movie is ugly CGI>they trashed all that was making Super a success to make a new show that is the complete opposite, doing the same financial disaster that was GT in double, to the point thet push it in every other Dragon Ball media>it gets spectacular animation besides the rest of the show being trash>its so bad they will reboot Super and make a new anime What's the damn logic behind all this?
>>153015445>>153015396Why is it always ESLs making posts like this?
>>153015396Maybe because anime is dogshit
>>153015160Yeah, when I finally dropped it I was so baffled why it go so much praise when the only stand-out thing about it was the animation. I'm convinced most of the fans are teenagers that haven't looked at much other anime beyond what's mainstream popular and shonen, because it's very much not "peak fiction" like they claim.
>>153014688American audiences will eat up anything that is similar to DragonNarutoMyHeroHunterXOnePieceBall Super
>>153015571Exactly why invincible is popular. It's the second coming of dbz.
>>153015571every audience will eat that shit up. People across the board love fancy fights with maybe some eyecandy on the side. Cartoons largely refusing to do that and outsourcing that audience to anime just tells you something is profoundly wrong at the top
>>153015571Yes, and?
>>153015598>cartoons refusing to do thatInvincible is right therePrimal is right thereBoth shows better then jjk and mha btw
>>153015621Anon, that's 2 shows.
>>153015651Yet they are higher quality than whatever anime pumps out
you're all too old for this east vs west shit
>>153015717Not really, especially Invincible, that show is jank personified and half of it is just glorified filler.You'd have an argument if cartoons were putting out 5 amazing shows a year, but 1 good show and 1 decent show is just not suitable competition.
>>153015763Because there's no competition to be had really. The west makes actually watchable media unlike japan.
>>153015445>Dragon Ball (...) the biggest IP in Japan after Pokemonlol, lmaoSit down child.
>>153015734You’re way too old to be consooming superman babyslop.
Ill take a hundred more episodes of invincible before giving jjk a single episode.
>>153015792Look man, if you're just gonna keep posting the same delusional autism, there's no point in having a conversation.
>>153015865Well im not here to simply let weebs push their slop onto the cartoon and comics board. Im here because I know cartoons are better than anime. Invincible has characters, action, and storytelling i actually enjoy. I hated jjk its boring. The action is nonsensical and ungrounded. And none of the characters are relatable in the slightest. If it wasnt the case id not make the case.
>>153015980>It's an ESLWhy the fuck does this keep happening?Why are you even LARPing as a westerner? You're brown.
>>153015996>the weeb cant read Strange when you always watch subbed slop. Lmao
>>153015173that doesn't count
>>153015734a lot of the time they're made by the same guy who keeps bumping them at page 9 for a week or so, even starts replying to his own bait
>>153015396>>153015445I believe the mindset of the Japs is that if something is guaranteed to be a success, then it doesn't need as many resources poured into it. Toei Animation took its money and poured it into One Piece instead of Dragon Ball when Dragon Ball is more famous worldwide. Now One Piece is just as popular as Dragon Ball and Toei has two monster IPs under its belt.
>>153016060*when you are always watching
>>153016060
There's no excuse for invincible's animation looking like shit. Each season is just eight episodes
>>153013489The voice actors thing is kinda bullshit too, since the japanese seiyuus are also celebrities
>>153013474This can't be true, this is ridiculous. Is the difference really that big?
>>153015828I hate that Kochikame is there
>>153014688Redditor>>153014724lol, it just gets good when you stopped watching it.
>>153015396>>153015445>>153015515Shit taste
>xe's replying to xirselfThe sad state of invinSISSIES
>>153016376>>153015125
>all the /co/ckroaches seethingLmao
>>153016409Nice try, I'm not falling for that.
>>153015523It's literally just the action scenes. The big fights do the rounds on the internet and people sit through the whole show to see the context and ride through the bad dialogue, nonsensical plot, and boring setting strictly to get to the next big fight.
>>153013474The west wishes it could pay people that little.
>>153014970Most of those aren't terribly unique to anime. >sometimes having the anime that aired on TV be a shit budget version which then they fix up and upgrade for the DVD/streaming copy, which is what gets piratedMost anime is simulcast these days, so everyone keeping up with a show is getting the same broadcast version as everyone else. The Blu-ray versions with touch ups usually come out a while after the initial release and might not even show up on streaming platforms. I don't know what Crunchyroll or Netflix's policy is with that kind of stuff.Also I'm not sure saying "They go through the extra effort of going back and improving it when they have more time" is really a mark against it when compared to something staying shit forever.
Invincible only had one good season and it's been coasting on that ever since
>>153013474Celebrity voice actors.
>>153013489I don't get why celebrities demand so much money to do shitty voice work for some cartoon they don't even like.
>>153015171The fights looking good is the only reason people watch it, lie how Avatar movies are only worth for their CGI
>>153015071True. All the white manga/anime enjoyers don't really leave the confines of /a/.
>>153017282Yeah I felt that the entire thing was just an excuse to animate cool fights, everything in between felt like filler before the next fight scene. Could not get attached to the characters at all nor did the show give me a reason to care about any of them, so I felt nothing at all when they fought. I wonder how many Japanese animators died from working themselves to death for such a medicore experience.
>>153013474American's form of capitalisms is often a lot more wasteful than other contemporary countries. Like Japan and US both use slave labor and underhanded tactics to make their animated series it's just japan can keep the costs down. This goes for movies too btw.
>>153013474JJK took nearly 2 years to make.Invincible barely takes 1.
>>153015523JJK is just Zoomer Bleach but since they're fanbase are 17 and started watching that shit when they were 12 they think it's some kind of masterpiece instead of just a recolor with good animation.
>>153017917Anon, JJK has put out 59 episodes and a movie since 2020.Invincible has put out the equivalent of 60 episodes since 2021.
Everyone who decides to make or post in these threads should read both comics (including non-superhero comics) and manga or shut the fuck up.
>>153013474As have others have said they spend a retarded amount on celebrity voice actors and pop music and anime tends to pay their workers well below standard.
Yeah. Why didnt jjk spend a mil on it? I bet the animators got paid a min wage ffs.
>>153014688I’ve actually been binging it so I can talk about it with my coworkers, I think so far S1 is a total bore but I really loved the small arc where Yuji has that kid die on him and Mahito and Sukuna just laugh at him, that actually hit really really hard. I heard S2 is billions of times better so we’ll see
>>153017946Is Bleach worth a watch? Never bothered with it or Naruto/One Piece
>>153016751Nothing to seethe about. Invincible is the superior product to jjk.
>>153017964Their production schedules are not the same JJK would have started production before the first announcement of Invincible. Hell we know from the split season that Invincible can't even keep a schedule. With the exception of horseshit like Dragonball Super episodes in anime are made well in advance
>>153018141No shonenslop is really
Steven yeun getting $200k per episode is retarded. Which would be a good non celeb cast?
>>153013816Who is he again?
>>153018153>my capeshit #63829 is better than anythingLmao
>>153018141Bleach is pretty fun. Kubo's wild ride is worthwhile.
>>153018468capeshit and shonenslop are both scraping the bottom of the barrel
>>153013562This is true but a lot of anime animation is increasingly being outsourced to China and Vietnam. Toei has a Filipino studio and part of the reason Sailor Moon Crystal looked so bad is because that's the one that was doing most of the animation.
>>153018141bleach is very cool looking and stylish. Starts off a little slow and monster of the week-ish but it gets better. Then it sort of drops off a cliff in terms of pacing and filler hell after the first major arc but it's still pretty cool and stylish throughout
>>153018141The first twoish seasons are pretty good but the anime takes a noise dive due to the amount of filler they had to use to keep it weekly. The current series, Blood War, might unironically be the best animated Battle Shonen to ever be animated (under the pretext of animation quality + story as our criteria, there are better written series but their adaptions look way worse).Recommending it depends on what you think about battle shonen as a genre. It's not some genius reinvention of the medium nor some kind of genre defining masterpiece but just some really solid series for the genre. If you like battle shonen give it a try, if you don't then you probably won't like it. Maybe. Depends on the kind of person who you are. You know.
>>153013474domain expansion:GATEKEPT INFLATION
>>153018160>With the exception of horseshit like Dragonball Super>Exception Almost every popular anime used to be like that. Saint Seiya, Yu Yu Hakusho, Inuyasha, Ranma 1/2, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Yugioh, Pokemon, Sailor Moon, Ruroini Kenshin, HunterxHunter etc. They released new episodes every single week for years.
>>153018574I wanted to get into Bleach because of Blood War but I got bored of the original due to fillers as well as pacing. Can Blood War be good for newcomers or at least basic knowledge?
>>153015828Read again
>>153013474Invincible cost several magnitudes more to make than JJK but you can see why if you compare their animation. Though "compare" is a bit generous, it's very clear one is on a whole other level
>>153018153Invincible sucks
>>153019522Better to just read it. Blood War is literally the last arc.
Why is every thread west vs Japan now?
>>153019766Because there isn't a single good comic or cartoon right now. 15 years ago /co/ loved anime and manga but there were many comics and cartoons to be hype about so this East vs west shit didn't exist. At least not in the way it exists right now. Remember when JoJo became the biggest meme? Instead of endless threads saying how much better it was to western cartoons people just made JoJo art and fanfics with /co/ characters. Something like pic related couldn't be done in modern /co/ because we don't even have cartoon characters that could be used this way (and because the website is filled with zoomer election tourists). Jojo wasn't the exception. The same thing happened with Kill la Kill, the multiversal tournament of Dragon Ball Super and others.
>>153019522The blood war has it's own merits but you will miss some level of set up for the final arc. Like it's still good but it won't be as good as walking the path to this point.
>>153013474This is why Japan will win. Because America does shittier work for a higher price.
>>153020210/co/ also has more angry low-functioning autists these days compared to the early 2010s.Zoomer autists are just generally of a much lower quality than millennial autists; they're somehow even more addicted to drama, more likely to go on unhinged, off-putting rants, more likely to have an enormous chip on their shoulder, it feels like behaviors that would have been among the worst of the worst 10-15 years ago are closer to the baseline these days. The obsession with drama is by far the worst, it pervades and ruins almost every single fandom in the English (and Spanish) speaking internet.
>>153018141god no. its fillerslop and 3 frames of animation per episode to pad the seasons
>>153020727So stupid. Don't they have any self respect?
>>153020767Yeah! >siphons funds to offshore accountWhat an ultramaroon
Gintama said it right, japan or nothttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZIEPGnOe_IAnimators carry everything, but voice actors takes 90% of the shares
>>153013553If JJK had the same budget as Invincible, the latter would still look worse because Amazon and Kirkman wanted Morgan Freeman to voice a background character
>>153020727She's living 'do what you love and you'll never work a day in your life.'She could make more money doing something else, but her quality of life would plummet as she loathes going to work everyday.
>>153013474you're not gonna like hearing this,but it's because of dogshit, state-backed unions
>>153019726Better than any modern anime slop
>>153020802Fuck that. People deserve to get paid for their work.
I liked that story from Mushoku Tensei, where all the animators were literally fighting over who should get to draw the new cute girl in an episode.It was basically a real “waifu war” during work on the episode that introduced Kishirika, saying multiple animators wanted to draw the sequence themselves because the character and scene was their favourite, and they were fighting and bargaining with the Director over who would get to do it. They love their work.You wouldn't ever get that from Cartoons. Well I could totally see that in Classic Cartoons, like how Milt Kahl liked to put his signature head waggle into toons because noone else but him could do it. But new cartoons no way. Production now is so low-effort, inexperienced, and outsourced that they usually just get to sketch storyboards.
>>153020846there's an entire booru to prove you wrong.https://www.sakugabooru.com/postanime is kino, awesomely animated, and can adapt literally any story they like. Modern Cartoons and Invincible are Slop.
>LOL LE EPIC EAST VS WEST THREADScientific studies have provided irrefutable evidence that trolls are extremely severely mentally ill, dopamine addicted sociopaths. https://www.theconversation.com/amp/new-research-shows-trolls-dont-just-enjoy-hurting-others-they-also-feel-good-about-themselves-145931Therefore, each and every single troll both needs, and deserves to be subjected to immediate, involuntary and indefinite institutinalization not only for their own good, but for the greater good of human civilization. Also, trolling is against Global Rule 3, raiding is against Global Rule 4, and spamming is against Global Rule 10.Fulfill your civic duty by reporting this thread as soon as possible and as much as possible, /co/mrades.https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=153013474
>>153020868And yet anime remains unwatchable trash while I love watching invincible.
>>153020904>i love watching invincible im sorry that happened
>>153020904>while I love watching invincible.My condolences.
>>153020913>>153020917Cope weebs. Japan can't tell a good story at all.
>>153014845>Old shit can be FOTMSort of. Sure something old can Be FOTM if it resurfaces to public consciousness but only if it fades out of public consciousness after a month. I have never watched a single episode of JJK but even I know it was popular 2024 and up to now. By the definition of the word ,"Flavor of the month" it fails to be a FOTM because it was still popular past a month (unless you use the term month to mean the duration of time JJK has been popular). Just say it's shit, no need to mis use a word with a specific meaning.
>>153020929i hope you realize you are implying that invincible is a good story. ill give you a moment to recollect yourself as it is humanly impossible to make such a blunder
>>153020974Better than frieren or whatever anime slop you think tells a good story.
>>153020988>he says as he enters the abortion arc
>>153013474Voices are expensive, not animation.>>153013489This. Stop this, westerns.
>>153020994Cant wait for the resurfacing of Loss memes
>>153020994Yeah I know you weebs love everything to be as safe as possible
>>153021010>he says as he enters the cuck arc
>>153021015This "cuck" arc is still better then anything dadandan has to offer for storytelling lol
>>153021026i dont think i need to say anything else. you have presented your self-defeating stance and man, you really gotta look at what you just typed out.
>>153021042Ok. Still not watching demon slayer. Btw
>>153021053you dont have to. enjoy your cuck media
>>153020745I will never understand why most zoomer newfags are so autistic. Like the guy ITT and every thread related to anime that posts nothing but "weeb, cope, tranime" and other stupid buzzwords or the guy that pretends to be some oldfag who is an "old animation scholar" or the spumko/cartoony faggot, etc. All of them weren't here before COVID. Seriously, what the fuck
>>153021057And you enjoy your Japanese slop like vinland saga weeabo.
>>153021079>doesnt even deny it anymore the defeated male retreats to the corner huh? at least you know your place.
I like how this Invincible cuck fan has named several animes of popularity but only named Invincible as his sole western cornerstone. He really has nothing else of value on that side.
>>153021090Didn't your favorite show mushoku tensei justify cuckoldry?
>>153021117The anon in >>153020210 already kind of hit the nail on the head.There just isn't much in the cartoon industry right now, so the current tactic is to pretend that the few cartoons airing are actually all BTAS/Aeon Flux/Spawn level masterpieces that are head and shoulders above any competition, though anyone with eyes and ears knows that that's definitely not true.
>>153021117I dont need anything else. Primal ended
>>153021118I dont know, I didnt watch it. i like anime. I just dont like you more, cuck. You seem to know a good deal more about this cuck anime. Care to explain it in detail to the class?
>>153021147Weebs invented ntr and cuckslop. It doesn't make sense why you don't like cuck stuff from a western property.
>>153021154If weebs invented it, why you slobbering all over it? at least pretend you like it in moderation or somethin, geez
>>153021118>>153021154>Weebs invented ntr and cuckslopLMAO didn't Goyman insert BLACKED shit many times in Invincible? Moreover Mark settled for Eve of all people, who was Rex's sloppy seconds.
>>153021118No? In fact Rudeus has a whole canon harem where they all are virgins and all have his kids.Invincible does justify cuckoldry, several times with several men.
>>153020988>>153021026>>153021053>>153021079>>153021118I want you to understand this for a second anon: Frieren, Dandandandan, Demon Slayer, and Vinland Saga are all the most normie current anime you could've picked, and all of them are STILL way fucking better and less safe than Invincible the leftist goyslop badly written shit about badly animated action figures just punching eachother.If Invincible is the best bet you have, and loses to the anime normieshit, then the actually classy anime in 2026 is in a different league to any cartoon.Actually it's hilarious you tried to include Mushoku Tensei and Safe in the same sentence because doing even 1/100th of the things that anime does in the West would get you cancelled and blacklisted. That's why Anime is better animated, and also better written.
>>153021015The entire story is the cuck arc though, because of kirkman's cuck fetish.
>>153021154>Weebs invented ntr and cuckslopThe Japanese are weebs?
>>153013474JJK >>>> Invincible in every single way, anyone denying this is coping.
>>153013489I don’t understand why voice actors are paid so much. They’re not really acting, just reading a script. It doesn’t seem like a job that requires much education, just the ability to read.
>>153021191I vaguely remember rudeus convincing his dad that cucking his wife wasnt that bad
>>153021230Thats the thing. Whatever you posted is unwatchable and boring. All modern anime is slop.
>>153021732and all western erh, what do you have again?
>>153013474Capital efficiency.A company that outsources its manufacturing is generally not as capital efficient as a company that does everything in house. This is because every middleman in the production line has their own margin, their own cut of the money. Amazon is paying a bunch of guys to hire another bunch of guys, who can coordinate yet another bunch of guys to draw some things on a tablet. They all charge a little more than what it cost them to do the job. That's their profit.So why do Western studios continue to outsource? Because there are fixed costs to building, running, and maintaining manufacturing capacity. If you are not going to use that capacity at full, you are losing money.There were over 180 new and returning anime shows in 2025. The Japanese use their capacity to the fullest.
>>153021591That’s not cucking, that’s a harem. All his wives literally live together with him in his mansion and all have his children.Cucking is letting another man fuck your wife, as Mark does in Invincible.>>153021415If you make something terrible, just hire a celebrity to voice act and that gets butts in seats. Somehow it always works
>>153021812Something funny about that.when /co/tourists try snd cope thay "Anime only makes Isekaii"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_in_anime287 New Anime came out in 2024 alone, and of those only 11 were Isekaii
>>153019766spam
The problem with Invincible is that it's an action show with poor action and animation. It doesn't do anything more than the minimum required, and the show is like watching a bunch of animatics of the comic, and they do this so they can constantly release a new season every year.Forget comparing it to modern anime, it has poor animation even by the standards of old western shows. The best fight in Invincible doesn't even come close to the the stunning visual work in the final Agni Kai from ATLA.
>>153021833Pray tell when mark let another man fuck his wife? You're making shit up.
>>153013489I dont know why VAs are getting so uppity these days like at least with actors they have to be more physically demanding but these niggas just read lines from a paper
>>153013474People in the U.S.A. are forced to live in Los Angeles and think they should be able to afford a $4 million house and $1 million car while the people in Japan have studios in random little towns and are content living working class lifestyles.
>>153021812>A company that outsources its manufacturing is generally not as capital efficient as a company that does everything in house.Anime companies relly on foreign labor and outsourcing to the point that with the current Yen devaluation many are starting to lose profit because the gaijin's salaries are becoming prohibitively expensive
>>153014688> shonenshitHow can Anons hate in anime when Invincible is literally: What if Superman was from Planet Vegeta instead of Krypton?" That was literally the plot bunny that sparked the entire comic.
>>153021812
>>153022090Invincible was outsourced to South Korea, who outsourced to China, who outsourced to North Korea.https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/22/politics/us-animation-studio-sketches-korean-server/American animation is expensive because of Hollywood accounting, AKA money laundering.
>>153015079KyoAni literally started by snail mailing their paper to housewives working from home in remote locations all across Japan back before digital was still a thing and it still worked. They could easily have their "animation" teams work remote from anywhere in the world, let alone the U.S.A. As for money there's no limitation on someone from X funding a project from Y. They just purposely try to keep everyone in Los Angeles because it's a rather coordinated scam that helps keep a stranglehold over the content that's allowed to be depicted in Western media, drives housing costs up (which they usually own a stake in and benefits them anyways) and separates the talent from all of their friends and family while draining them financially which makes them easier to control while also giving them an endless stream of attractive women take advantage of. I'm reminded of that one comment creator that was interviewed by Glitch who told them a studio reached out to him saying they were interested in greenlighting his pilot but made him come to L.A. in person to "negotiate" then kept rescheduling his meeting and told him to "just hangout" for six months until he was forced to quit his job, sell guys house, and drain his savings to get an overpriced studio apartment in L.A. before they finally met with him so he'd be desperate and less likely to demand things in the negotiation phase.If people woke up and stopped moving to L.A. the whole scheme would collapse and good things would start getting made.
>>153022115Because anime doesnt have nearly as cool looking characters?
>>153022090Anime outsources because demand exceeds labor supply. They don't have enough labor.This is not the case with the US.>>153022135I should have made clear, it's also a talent issue, a cultural issue, and many of the other things people have mentioned. I'm not dismissing any of those.But it's worth looking at what the American industry gets back from every dollar spent. Regardless of these comparisons to anime, we should be seeking better returns. This is not something with an easy solution.
>>153022325You have to be 18 to post here.
>>153022375Sorry that this isn't as cool as you think it is. Thragg even makes for a more iconic villan.
>>153021415to be fair, I'm sure you've heard someone read a passage from a book aloud and thought "holy shit they are bad", like they are monotnous, using no emotion, using no inflection, not adjusting their voice in any way for different characters speaking, etcit is more than JUST being able to read the words on a page; having listened to a lot of audiobooks this kind of thing becomes very apparent
>>153015734Where do you think we are
>>153013489The regular menagerie of voice actors who work in English-language video game, anime, and recent indie animation (e.g. Lizzie Freeman, Casey Mongillo) don't get paid that much, the big studios should just hire them.
>>153022351So the japanese companies are not really efficient and your whole original post is full of bullshit. lmao
>>153022548What about that post implies they're not efficient? Demand exceeding supply is not an efficiency issue. The business is too good.
>>153022412>>153022325You're retarded and you have shitty taste.
>>153013474It makes me unbelievably happy knowing that Amazon butchers Invincible. As a comic book reader, FUCK Robert Kirkman. Why do you have to inject your weird fetishes inside your comic? I guess it's an Amerikike problem really.
>>153022637Then id be a weeb! Lmao!
>>153013474animus are basically animated with slave wages /thread
>>153021986when he went on the timetravel adventure and came back to see Eve getting fucked by that blue-skinned alien who looks like a black with dreadlocks. Then that alien kept hitting on her while Mark was back saying he knows she still wants that Blue Dick.when he first met Eve and her dad gave him a long speech about how Rex fucked Eve and took her virginity.when he stayed teammates with Bulletproof the nigger who tried to fuck Eve while Mark was in space.
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>>153022821So he told her to have sex with another man? She just slept around? How is that cuckoldry?
>>153022880your wife fucking other men makes you a cuck. You needn't give her your permission, you're a cuck regardless.Sorry you had to find out this way, Invincible cuck.
>>153022852How do I become a voice actor? $75,000 per episode just to read lines? That’s ridiculous, surgeons train for years and get paid the same for actually saving lives.
>>153022895The entire point of cucking is that the woman gets off on being watched fucked by another man in front of her husband.
>>153022852>Over $1 million per episode just for 10 voice actors>This show spends more in 2 episodes on voices alone than every aspect of JJK's production combined in an entire season
>>153022936no, it's really not.the "entire point" is that your wife fucks other men, making you a cuck. Like how Mark, is a cuck, and Invincible, is for pathetic cucks.
>>153022852none of them are needed except for Simmons. The only voice people actually enjoy this show is Omniman's.
>>153022975Then by your definition rudeus approved of his dad cucking his mom by sleeping with the maid. Making mushoku tensei approve of ntr.
>>153023015Anon, women can't be cucks.
>>153023015that's called a harem. He literally marries her as well and has them both as wives.Again, Invincible is goyslop where Mark gets cucked by various men fucking Eve.
>>153023033By your definition if mark while he was out in space (presumed dead by eve) and he went on to fuck something alien slut. He'd be cucking eve.
this thread has been very enlightening on how woke, cucked and badly animated all Western cartoons are.
>>153023052I'm not that other anon, I'm just stating the fact that women can't be cucks.
>>153023052>ESLbegone brown.
I just clicked 3 random threads on 3 different boards and each one had cuck shit in it. what the fuck is wrong with you
>>153023058I think that show is dogshit and I'm a homo don't put that shit on us man
>>153023045Yeah but that doesnt mean that he didnt cheat on her with the maid in the first place. Thus the trope of ntr was achieved. The harem nonsense is just a coping mechanism the series the tried to employ to make it seem less of a failure on his father's part to stay loyal.
>>153023058Are they really still doing tumble noses in the year of our lord 2057
>>153013474This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS
>>153023083the trope of ntr is your wife getting fucked by another man.A harem is having multiple women who all agree to be your wives.Invincible cucks literally trying to cope this way lmao. I'm sorry your gf is the slutty town bicycle
>>153023109Blue nigga and rex are dead btw and mark and eve get to be immortal and thats the end. Kinda a lose for ntrfags like yourself that eve loved Mark more than dead niggas lol.
Thats because MAPPA has this neat curse technique ability called "not paying their animators" and have them in borderline sweatshop labor conditions.Also>American animatorsInvinsible is animated by Koreans (North koreans at that if the leaked documents are accurate)
>>153022852Only ones I could tell are JK, who does some acting, and Seth Rogen, who doesn't act. You could replace the rest with not very convincing impressionists and most of the public couldn't tell.
>>153023348>Thats because MAPPA has this neat curse technique ability called "not paying their animators" and have them in borderline sweatshop labor conditions.Kind of like the north korean slaves Invincible's animation got outsourced to.
>>153013474America is just that expensive whenever you try to produce a media. That's why there so few homegrown animation studios when execs could just throw the heavy lifting duty to worst koreans.
>>153023384reading a script is not acting anon
whats omni-man real name?? his viltrumite namebeen ages since i read the comics i dobt remember
Why did the thread about Frank Miller get deleted? That one was better.
>>153014977Its makes a lot of sense.
>>153023058More like Guntman KEK
picking invincible as your hill to die on is a bizarre choice but I guess with the current state of cartoons there weren't many options
>>153023799If any anime was better id say they were better than invincible
>>153014819why is Korean animation(American) worse than Korean animation(Japanese)?
>>153021186Asian women are more powerful NTR enjoyers than some fat jew shock jock.
>>153020994Kirkman is a hack and everyone is going to use that one HBO show as shitposting for a month or two
>>153021015Robot getting cucked at least was funny and had consequences at least.
>>153022115Its impressive Kirkman managed to rip off two different anime (DBZ for Invincible and Guyver for Tech Jacket) and not get sued. Diesel fucked off in one chapter.
>>153013474Someone made the same thread on /tv/, it's both funny and depressing that this thread and the /tv/ one both have the same talking points except /co/ has more ESLs.
>>153022821Kirkman is a hack. That's not new.
>>153023865Jap animation still has lots of Japanese key animators, while modern American animation has almost no American key animators.Also, a lot of the outsourcing in anime is actually to China, since China has lots of weebs who want to work on anime.
>>153023996Why do weebs hyper fixate on romance drama rather then the brutality the series regularly provides anyways?
>>153023986Why is v talking about east vs west
>>153024043Probably because the romance drama takes up a significant proportion of the story, and is actually focused on even more in the show compared to the comic.
>>153014688Trvke. Anime fags never cease to amaze me with their abysmal taste.
>>153024067Well. I dont really care for the romance stuff. I'm just here for action lol. Too bad animes hardly provide good action like invincible does.
>>153024091>It's great if you just ignore the half of the property that's shitUhh...
>>153024104All romance is shit period in fiction desu.
>>153024114And it's still present in the story.Are you fucking autistic or something?
>>153024123Somehow even i who dont really care for romance am fine? With it being in invincible. Its like a small break before things start getting hurt again.
>>153024043Because Kirkman has a stiffy for it to the point its the reason why this faggot takes over the earth
>>153024140see>>153024104
>>153024178Its not that im ignoring the romance. I just dont obsess over it like weebs do?
>>153024149I just see the romance as providing character motivations. It serves a purpose. Yet weebs act like the series is a romance novel with how often they bring it up.
>>153024236You said it's shit.It's a major focus of the story.Ergo you're saying that a significant part of the story is shit.If you think the show is still good despite a significant amount of it being something you think is shit, that means you're ignoring the shit parts, which, again, make up a significant part of the story.So, again>It's great if you just ignore the half of the property that's shit
>>153024114No, retard.
>>153013474All western production from the last 15 years are money laundering scams.They use that money as business expenses so it doesn't get taxed and then steal it, that's why productions of movies, cartoons, videogames are so expensive yet dogshit.
>>153024256Still better to provide some romance for character interactions unlike the sexless genre that is modern anume.
>>153013489This, there is no way JK Simmons was paid less than 500k, and on top of Seth Rogan, Steven Yeun etc. the bill for all the VAs is probably 1.5 - 2 million alone and that's lowballing it. Still, all the money in the world isn't going to make outsourced passionless turd worlders better at art and animation.
>>153013474American cartoons are animated in South Korea whereas Anime is made in Vietnam
>>153023706Nowl-Ahn
Invincible does action, character, storytelling, romance, and art better than jjk.
>>153024339>It's shit, but actually I love itWell, so long as you're honest.
>>153021138Huh, that explains why art quality and appreciation is such a touchy subject outside of East vs. West talk too.
>>153013474Invincible has an obsession with casting celebrities that probably eats up half the budget, but make no mistake, Mappa and other japanese animation companies are basically sweatshops that grab and discard talent at a ridiculous rate, I think I read somewhere that the standard for any of these jobs is 2 years. The dream for any of these poor assholes is to be able to grab as many connections as possible for a better paid job and eventually fund a studio where they decide how much they are paid like KyoAni
>>153024289@grok make a 2 minute explainer video about this
I fucking hate anime
>>153024289Not the case, they rarely went past $120,000 per segment.Adult animation on the other hand still pisses away money like it's water.
>>153024275Cope femcel
>>153025132Now which of these series went on to have hundreds of episodes? Adventure time won.
>>153023384>You could replace the rest with not very convincing impressionists and most of the public couldn't tell.Most of the public wouldn't care. None of the are A-list celebrities that are drawing people in to watch the show.
>>153025301if adventure time is what you consider winning then congrats I guess
>>153024956You say that like American companies don't also use sweatshops.
>>153025372American animation is always a win over anime slop
>>153025028/co/pe & seethe/co/cksucker
>>153025824This post gave me a good laugh anon. How do you guys find these images.
>>153024420tbf that's not a high bar to clear
>>153025028Why? It's really cool.
>>153026041Because of mushoku tensei
>>153026105What about it?
>>153025824Fleischer and Bakshi were Jews though. Nick Kroll is just a nepo baby.
>>153022325I haven't touched JJK in my life but Invincible does not have a single character that is either as unique or as cool looking as this dude
>>153021186>Mark settled for Eve of all people, who was Rex's sloppy seconds.Mark lost his virginity to a girl before dating Eve, Rex was her first then she broke up with him. No one is a cuck in this show.
>>153024289>money laundering scamsYou are describing kickbacks, not money laundering.Money laundering is disguising money from an illicit business as profit from a legitimate one. You actually want to pay taxes when you money launder.
>>153017699Time is money, and if you're an actor who is in high demand your time is worth more money than anyone else's
>>153015173They don't get paid like those American actors do though
>>153014959>>153015026>>153014989You think this is a woman? Ewwww, gross.
>>153020727She is paid so shoddily precisely because of this attitude. Executives know damned well that artists love what they do, and exploit this fact to get away with paying them peanuts despite their work being genuinely skilled labour.
>>153026204Looks overdesigned
>>153026151It traumatized me
>>153026204Bzzzzzzzt, wrong again.
>>153014271this chart is disingenuous, a voice actor can work on way more projects than any of those other roles Not to mention that an income that high would only be for "A-list" VAs and not every voice actor
>>153027953Sorry, anime is no longer an inexpensive product like 10 years ago.
>>153027990another stupid imagethat 1.9 mil is only for "high budget episodes" i.e. episodes with tons of animation and 25 mil for a movie is nothing compared to Hollywood slop 200mil+ budgets
>>153027990Thats $1.9-2.5 million PER 13 EPISODE BATCH! If they spent that much per episode everything Japan produces will be just like Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs to the T.Also, that $25 million for a feature also includes marketing and distribution, very little of that $25 million is spent on the actual film itself.
>>153028046Read >>153028169
Manga is the evolution of comics.
>>153025495>Hire American studio>They pocket the money and outsource the animation to a Korean studioAbsolute scum.
>>153028321It's even better than that anon, it's multiple levels of "fuck you, not my problem.">Hire American studio>They pocket the money and outsource the animation to a South Korean studio, who pockets the money and outsources to a Chinese studio, who pockets the money and outsources to a North Korean studioJust fucking hilarious.
Eastern vs western animations threads always remind me of control war threads, in that it's a bunch of faggots trying to prove their side is more based than the other.
>>153028401While you are right pretending anime isn't technically superior is retarded. There are countless things western artists should learn from japanese animators, like large scale composition and the proper use of different camera angles.
>>153028401in this case though one side is actually correct. It's a shame to see what cartoons and comics have become. Even in this shitty thread somebody is using invincible to prop up their entire argument which is sad for many reasons
>>153028401pretty much
>>153014688Invincible (comic) is literally a parody of DC + Dragon Ball. There are Fake SuperMan, Fake Justice League, DBZ powerlevels, etc
>>153028046>>153028169This certainly doesn't make sense because there are animated music videos from around 3-4 minutes that can cost around 200K USD.This one for example is in that range https://youtu.be/QfGuQELt1TkSo for me the figure that anime episodes can cost 1 million USD doesn't sound me as implausible.
>>153016312Yes but most can sing and do more shit on top of being mostly professional.
>>153028401Nah, I just like to piss off fanboys.
>>153028733That ended up being one of Famicom's lies as he has no idea how budget works.
>>153017699Agents are looking to get paid too. They get a percentage for booking. So they're not going to book their client on the cheap if they could have booked them for a real movie and got real money.
>>153025495>unknowinglyFuck you Cartoon Brew, they totally knew.
>>153022852Yeun, Simmons, Goggins, and Oh are worth it. The rest of them should be $20K per episode max
>>153013474Because Japanese animation production is basically sweat shops. Low fucking pay, near slaving away at animation.And because Western animation production love to waste their budget.
I just want to say anime is really stupid but cool. The coolest shit possible. I wish cartoons were as cool as anime and manga. I can't think on a single cartoon as cool as this. Not even old cartoons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlX2yXuae0Q
>>153018518Hell, a lot of studios in Japan are companies that solely do keyframe and inbetween animation. And when most of them try and produce an anime, we get shit like Gibiate or MF Ghost where the animation is godawful. Then you have studios who are just so hopeless you wonder if the current working conditions in Japan are the ONLY reason they're still around (Studio DEEN, for instance. Almost everything they've done has issues all the way to the basic fundamentals of drawing).Sure you have shows like Dandadan, Frieren or JJK that look good, but that's ignoring the dozens of titles that look as bad, or even worse than something like Invincible quality-wise.
Peak animation
>>153013474Millions for celebrity casting but not one cent for animation!
>>153029177Is this real or edited?
>>153013474The funny thing about invincible is that not only does it over pay it's cast by having a bunch of Hollywood actors instead of reasonably priced talented VAs, but even the background characters with little to no lines are also Hollywood actors. It gets obnoxious but I guess amazon of all corps obviously has infinite money to burn.
>>153029038Tiny Toon Adventurtes and Animaniacs say hi.And yes old cartoons as Tex Avery will like to have a word with you.
How Expensive are we talking about here?
>>153029353Weak bait
>>153031030Not bait, this is a fact.
>>153028754So can jap voice actors.Hollyhood is just Jewish nepotism and corruption at its peak.
>>153022034>>153016312So do we want to be like Japan or not? Because we have to start treating our VAs as worthy of sucking off if we're going to be reverent to them
>>153031122We just need a complete purge of the animation industry, or actually the entire entertainment industry, at this point. Just like politics and the private sector it has just become this huge web of nepotism where no one is really held accountable for awful decisions and has just become a propaganda arm for the former two sectors. All 3 are in need of it at this point since none of them understand the point of the systems right now.Everything is reversed:The economy is focused entirely around theory, speculation, and squeezing people in complete contradiction of being a well intentioned platform for trade.The government favors foreigners over natives and protects the former over the latter in complete contradiction of nation.The entertainment industry pumps out tired, boring propaganda and therapy session in complete contradiction of the purpose of entertainment.Literally none of these systems are working in the manner they were formed to act, and there is no purpose for a system that has abandoned it's founding principles and only serves the bureaucracy.
>>153031197In short; The day we go back to the days of Tex Avery and Bob Clampett (Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston if you're Disney) the sooner we be out of this hellhole.
>>153031220Yeah, we should learn from the masters of the past to create a better form of art and society for the future instead of following this path of decadence, consumption, and subversion, that parasites and 5th columnists have imposed.
>>153029264Yeah, when I heard Jesse Pinkman(Aaron Paul) from breaking bad as a VA for a minor villain, I knew they were just burning money. It made no sense.
Okay, so maybe American animation is worse than anime, but surely modern American comics are better than manga, right?
>>153031269This entire entertainment industry must be purged
>>153024956>The dream for any of these poor assholes is to be able to grab as many connections as possible for a better paid jobI don't think any JP animation studio will pay them well. They would basically have to be so famous that they can get contract work which would pay more than being employed at any singular studio.
>>153031269Other way around, at least in America you are allowed to create for the sake of creating, in Japan you always have to hawk shit no one wants and the only way to create anything original is to slap a B-Plot to a preexistent IP.Manga however is "alright" but it will be over shadowed by battle shonen and everything is focus tested as fuck so you can't do what you actually want, western comics however is just superheroes as if you try to do anything else you're luck to appear on newspapers as you're going to go straight to web comics if your comic isn't about superheroes.
>>153031242>Pribably paid a dude a million dollars for one episode just so they could do the "He can't keep getting away with it meme"It's funny and kinda great just because of how idiotic it is
Hollywood actors being VA's is incredibly toxic to the animation industry because it pushes out real VA's that do it for a living who are actually passionate about their work.It's like some directory thinks people only care to watch their show if a big name actor is involved. Shit pisses me off.
>>153027944Furry kenpachi + thundercat wannabe is not that cool.
>>153028306Unironically this
>>153013474Because, while strides have been made, animation is still generally seen in the west as for kids or as gross out adult humor. The West lacks its own Doraemon or Precure equivalent.So in order to reach a bigger audience, they hire expensive voices. Of course, having to pay that much for voice actors is a result of voice acting being seen as not a real form of acting. There's a reason western VAs can usually only do one voice (Yuri Lowenthal, Crispin Freeman, Liam O'Brien). Not even going to account for hiring someone like Simmons.Though oddly enough Tara Strong has a decent range even if /co/ hates her.So in the end you've got out of touch boomers hiring arrogant single voice no range actors for too high a price and hoping to see profits.
So what is the point of hiring celebrities if no one outside of America even know them? And non English speakers (like 90% of the world) watch dubs and dislike the english voices.
Humberto Solórzano is a better Omniman than J.K. Simmons and Emilio Treviño is a better Mark than the guy voicing him in english.
>>153031306>at least in America you are allowed to create for the sake of creatingHuh?That's not true, the American industry is mired in IP and reboots because our entertainment is entire beholden to shareholders thanks to being run almost exclusively by publicly-traded companies.Shit, guys like Maxwell Atoms had to completely abandon the industry because the studios didn't want to work on anything new and didn't see "reboot potential" in his older properties.
>>153031666Why don't Maxwell Atoms and other old creators make their own comics or animations? Even literal who can make their own shit. I think they are just hacks. Giving them resources would be a waste.
>>153031695because they're boomers not in touch with current culture. it would be near impossible for these type of people to gain traction.even now, it's extremely rare for an indie animator/comic artist to be successful.
>>153013690Isn't JJK more popular than invincible globally, though?At any rate, the animation quality of JJK is still miles better than Invincible. The cost proportion is absurd.
>>153031715>The cost proportion is absurd.I honestly don't know how the hell they're making JJK with a $150k budget. They must be paying the animators damn near minimum wage. It has to be a mistake. $150k for the entire S3 of JJK? There's just no fucking way.
>>153031730kyoani is the only studio that treats its employees like human beings, yes we know this
5 animators being paid 30k a year is already $150k. Can someone explain this shit to me?
>>153031730>>153031735Yeah something is definitely off, even in the 'they barely pay their animators' angle. There just ain't no way.I'd find it more believable if it was like 10x the price (1.5M rather than 150K), and even then it'd still be impressive in comparison to Invincible.
>>153027631Work is worth whatever the worker is willing to work for.That is quite literally how any form of trade/service function.
>>153031715I dont care about the animation quality of jjk because I dont watch weeb shit
>>153027631Welcome to the video game industry as a whole. It's the same thing. A programmer working at an AAA company gets paid significantly less than working at any generic software company because they prey on passion. It only works on people who are young and dumb.
How is this East vs West thread still up if 2 Teacher's Pet threads of the same topic got nuked quickly?Actually, scratch that. How come Famicom's posts are still up?
>>153031783jjk is shit outside the animation anyway. it's basically the only reason people watch it, just to brag about sakuga(high impact animation) and how peak MAPPA is. It's fucking annoying.
>>153031715>Isn't JJK more popular than invincible globally, though?Depends on the country in north America Invincible is more popular
>>153031783That may be so, but it is still impressive. I watch it with friends but to be honest I mostly just zone out, but I got to admit that at the very least it is animated incredibly well, specially the action sequences.
Everyone knows Invincible has shit animation quality, but most are willing to overlook it because the writing is pretty good.
>>153031715No, both are getting mogged by Pokémon.>>153031730$150,000 is per episode.>>153031734TMS and it's affiliates as well.https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/150844106/#q150850205https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/217340392/#q217343448
>>153031831So Invincible is 2.5M per episode then?
>>153031793>>153031812Battle shonen are just a dime a dozen. Idk how people don't get bored of em.
>>153031845it's fun to theorize how x character beats y opponent, as simple as that. it appeals to the core male psyche.
>>153031838Celebrity voice acting as adult cartoons still piss away money like it's water.
>>153031845I agree... I mean, i liked them when I was a kid, and yeah a cool battle scene can add an awesome moment to a series, but I just can't enjoy series that are focused on it as much nowadays.Most important things IMO is that A: the story is enjoyable and B: the characters are likeable. I don't care if they just stand around doing practically nothing on the screen, as long as they find a way to make it interesting through dialog or through the narrative.
>>153031845Battle shonen are like superheros without the Jewish baggage.Superheros are for whites since whites are peak goyim, battle shonen is for everyone else.
>>153031861I spoil it for you. If they are a main character they'll win.
>>153031896Not true.Both Battle shonen are like superheros are cancer while funny animals/lolis are a blessing.
>>153031925It's about the journey anon, not the destination.
I'd feel better watching a lower quality series knowing the workers get paid well than a high quality series and knowing the workers are exploited. I can't enjoy something if I know the creators behind it are suffering.
>>153021059I’ve noticed it a lot before, but 2020 was genuinely the moment /co/ changed for the worst because of a massive influx of schizoposting that hasn’t left since
>>153014271before or after tax? yearly or weekly salary?
>>153031952>knowing the workers get paid wellGood news, the workers who worked on Invincible still get paid like shit, since it's all outsourced anyways.The only people getting paid well are the VAs, the casting director, and the producers, everyone else eats shit.
>>153031941Why care about the journey if all the characters are annoying
>>153020767She respects herself enough to do what she loves.>>153020857What we saw from American Millennials was them chasing a dream job in cartoons, wanting to be famous and loved like Chuck Jones, constantly bitching for more pay, while usually only capable of drawing blobs.People should have realistic expectations and not try to make working in animation paradise. That comes at the detriment of everybody.
>>153031925The one thing that pisses me off the most about battle shonens:>MC starts off as the underdog, the absolute worst of his class/team/tribe/whatever>seemingly through only sheer determination he wins the fights and challenges>it is later revealed the he was actually the chosen one, thrice blessed, descendant from both gods and demons, hand picked by fate itselfwhy do they insist on going against their own narrative and premise like this? Why sell the message that through determination you can achieve anything, if later you're just gonna go ahead and say that the dude actually came from a chosen lineage?
>>153031991That has never been the case, Millennials went straight to things like constructing, medical studies/doctors and other serous jobs, none of them went into the arts because the zoomers butchered everything they loved about the arts.WE TRIED TO SAVE IT! BUT YOU WOULDN'T LET US!!!!
>>153013474>Why is western animation so expensive?It is partially this >>153013489>Hiring Hollywood actors to voice characters instead of just getting normal voice actors.Which is a total waste of money. But Invincible is also a slush fund for Kirkman and the two artists >>153013497>licensed music from big artistsAs well as Skybound, and Amazon, despite forcing their warehouse employees to pee in bottles and take 30 minute food breaks, and timing and penalizing their drivers for doing proper deliveries, will waste money on the stupdest shit. ALSO: it's a slush fund for Fat Boy Rogan's weed stash.>>153018518>part of the reason Sailor Moon Crystal looked so badWhat's Invinciboy's excuse?
>>153031730I haven't seen a source for that 150K per episode figure, and my gut tells me that figure is too low. But whatever it is, keep in mind that these are averages. That means some episodes will cost more, some less. If anything, anime has always been about clever allocation of frame budgets.In Japanese animation, nearly everyone is an independent contractor who is not paid a wage, but paid per "cut." They used to be paid per drawing. The pay may be very low, but there is no upper bound on how many cuts an animator takes, besides his own rate of drawing. In other words, this industry incentivizes individual performance, efficiency, and cutthroat competition. If you are an entry level animator and you can only draw 3 or 4 pages a day, you'll starve. If you can draw 30 or 40 pages a day, you'll be okay.Edit: I just tried googling "AnimeMegNews" and got zero results. Searching for the image brings up a facebook account. We need something more concrete.
>>153032013I like how mark greyson just comes from good breeding stock
>>153014046I'm not a fan of either show but at least Invincible has a story JJK is just fights and nothing else
>>153032125Honestly, JJK's weird incest, bodysnatching (on multiple levels), genocide, and mass murder storyline being buried under 200 hundred scenes of people beating the shit out of each other just makes it funny to me.
>>153032013because that's what the Japanese prefer
>>153032167none of that stuff matters. dragon ball z has better plots than JJK.
current JJK(Modulo) has literal aliens with curse power now. you can't make this up.
>>153031763That’s cute
>>153032237>The plot doesn't matter if I ignore itSerious question, are you autistic?
>>153032254shonen = local threat, regional threat, global threat, universal threat, divine threat.
>>153032167The over the top animation doesn't help either it has opposite problem of Invincible
>>153032275Did the incest plot matter?
>>153032313It's comical because JJK has quite in depth explanations for their fights, but because the studio focuses so heavily on animation, they basically have to force the narrator to cram as much shit in as possible between sequences and 99% just glaze over whatever is being said.
>>153032320Which one?There are multiple incest plots.
>>153014556I too would like Western Renaissance and a decreasing Eastern influence in the youth, but you'd be a fool to believe that Western cartoons are outcompeting Eastern ones.Manga sales have already surpassed comic sales and anime practices a far greater cultural reach on the youth while cartoons focus on an increasingly niche target audience of autistic adult, manchildren.
>>153013474It's Invincible hiring big names as voice actorsJJK's episodes don't cost that little though, more like 400k-600k per episode
>>153032419JJK is over the air broadcast which pays $150k per episode, you have to have NHK produce it before you get 400k-600k per episode (case in point, Cardcaptor Sakura Clear Card which is a NHK anime that Madhouse produced for them).
>>153032474There is absolutely 0(zero) chance a JJK episode only costs 150k. Zero
>>153032485MAPPA is known for underpaying their staff and is viewed as a black company by Japanese normies.
>>153024063/tv/ sometimes has threads about cartoons and anime. Usually just animated sitcom slop and basic bitch anime classics like Death Note or Evangelion. They don't like ex-Tumblr lore cartoons or kiddie slop.
>>153031810Yeah nah.People are making fun of Chainsawman with JJK at this moment.
>>153029177OPM season 3 has competition.
>>153032414I'm doing my part by cutting out weebslop animation from my life
>>153032414>while cartoons focus on an increasingly niche target audience of autistic adult, manchildrenI mean, that also describes comics. We give the comics industry shit all the time for just being different flavors of superheroes which include, if we are lucky, EDGY superheroes as the height of creativity. But with the current comics ecosystem we will never get some like, for example, Nighthawk Returns in the west. We just won't make it, and even if we did make a comic with the exact same premise it wouldn't have any of the charm or creativity or pathetic slobbishness of the MC that makes it good.
>>153032414>I too would like Western Renaissance and a decreasing Eastern influence in the youth, but you'd be a fool to believe that Western cartoons are outcompeting Eastern ones.They already are, thanks to MeTV Toons.>Manga sales have already surpassed comic salesOnly in South East Asia, in the west funny animal comics rain supreme.>Anime practices a far greater cultural reach on the youth while cartoons focus on an increasingly niche target audience of autistic adult, manchildren.Bugs Bunny, Droopy and Woody Woodpecker will like to have a word with you.
>>153032786>Bugs Bunny, Droopy and Woody Woodpecker will like to have a word with you.If I asked someone under the age of 20, I promise you that the only one of those they might actually know is bugs bunny. And even that is mostly because of Big Chungus memes. Zoomers and Alphas absolutely do not know who droopy or woody the woodpecker are.
>>153032803Zoomers and Alphas do know who Droopy and Woody Woodpecker are because of MeTV Toons.And they know about Bugs Bunny, they know of Bob Clampett and Chuck Jones, they know of Bob McKimson and Rod Scribner, they know their Looney Tunes and they know them well.
>>153032783Honestly, even the annoying tumblr quirk chungus side of comics is way WAY less autistic than the current cartoon audience. Like it's not even close.
>>153032993Notice how there's no Famicom equivalent for comics.
>>153032930>And they know about Bugs Bunny, they know of Bob Clampett and Chuck Jones, they know of Bob McKimson and Rod Scribner, they know their Looney Tunes and they know them well.Why do you lie to yourself like this?
>>153033481MAPPA is mostly contract work. They pay freelance animators to do 1 cool scene, then 80% of the episode is done by cheap outsourced labor.
Note that this exact thread was also up on /tv/.
>>153013489why do people care so much about having movie celebrities in their cartoons to begin with
>>153032803Arcane was the most watched animated show of 2024 and Across the Spider Verse puts Chainsaw Man: Reze to shame in terms of box offce (Zootopia 2 was even more successful)
>>153031715>>153031730>>153032035I bet the source is coming from this article from Crunchyroll that is about 15 years old and doesn't account inflation and the fact that JJK probably has more frames that the average anime and more use of CGI.https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2011/10/30/how-much-does-one-episode-of-anime-cost-to-makeI need to point out that high production anime are notoriously expensive. Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex from more than two decades ago was a budget of 10 million dollars for 24ish episodes, so in average every episode was costing like 380k.>>153032499Not really, MAPPA has going lengths in the past years to change their working conditions. For example, this same animation team that in 2023 barely could finish JJK S2 in time and had half of his staff relocated in another production, in 2026 basically ended JJK S3 at the start of this year. Well in advance for anime productions.
>>153033562Okay? Doesn't mean that anyone knows or cares about Droopy or Woody. Those are completely unrelated details about media made decades apart from each other.
>>153033908Are you the anon that claimed that anime has a bigger cultural reach or did I make a mistake?
>>153033481>compares animations >posts a screenshot still Jjkfags are disingenuous
>>153013474Lol I dunno
>>153020904Fuck me you need to watch better shit just generally if you think invincible is particularly great, Try Lastman, Pantheon, Primal Le College Noir or Ben Fucking Ten, The Only characters worth noting in invincible are Alan, Omni-man Cecil and possibly the hot mom.I Agree the state of current anime is shit so give some Lupin the third Michiko to Hatchin, or Ashita no Joe a try.Seriously if the best you can offer as a counter point is invincible watch better shit, there is like 100 years of animation history at this point find something better to crow about.
>>153033012Probably because1. Comics suck now, something everyone agrees with2. Famicom hates comics
>>153033213I'm not.>>153033562No that was Game Sack, and thats not only live action but also on a streaming site thats free to watch.Now of days that The Looney Tunes Show.>>153033575>Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone ComplexThat had 3DCG in it so of course that had a larger budget.>>153033908They do, MeTV Toons is proof of that.
>>153035894I've seen every cartoon you listed. Invincible im just saying is the currently best airing cartoon and it beats most if not all modern anime.
>>153032803They absolutely know woody from internet memes and brazil
>>153031783jjk is hood weeb shounen. It's boring unless you are obsessed with fights. Movie was good though.People that say they don't watch anime simply hasn't given it a chance or found the right thing. There is so much output in so many genres that you are bound to find something you like with time. As for the west, you have to go back to previous periods or way off the beaten path to find anything good. And going off the beaten path is way harder because it isn't even clear where to look.
JJK is the most soulless piece of shit I have ever witnessed. It has nothing going for it. A completely generic story about demons that's been done a thousand times, the same boring main character that you see in every other trash shounen, something tragic happens to him and then he ends up getting powers.He gets turned into a demon and then he fights demons. Like how many times have we seen this already? There is some type of school/organization that he becomes a part of and there is other people like him. It's the same story over and over again.Unbelievable. And this is going to be the series that people hype up and say is good? Side characters that are completely bland and didn't serve any purpose other than being background fodder, bad art, etc. Main cast's relationship is incredibly forced to the point I have to wonder if the author has any friends in real life. He does not know what human beings are and has no idea how to write charming people who'd appeal to actual human beings. I mean, imagine actually being a fan of this trash. This is a series catered towards lower level thinkers, individuals who lack the mental capacity to be anything more than a sheep.This series is ripping off so many series, why are these creators so talentless nowadays? I can name so many other series that this pile of trash is ripping off from (Naruto, Bleach, HxH, Uzumaki), why in the world do the most trash manga continue to get animated? These mangaka have no idea what they're doing, there are so many more deserving manga that should be animated but instead some boring generic bottom-of-the-barrel shounen trash catered towards casual losers with bad taste gets animated. Garbage series like JJK are not good for anime, they are destroying the medium as we know it. And the less we speak of MHA and KnY, the better.
>>153036934>Invincible im just saying is the currently best airing cartoonInvincible is the only airing cartoon, what the hell else is even on right now?
>>153013474Because people are FUCKING IDIOTS who don't take different economies into an account, that 150K spent in Japan? Could very well be the same as spending 2,5 million in the USA >>153013489You say that but in the anime industry the VA get the highest paycheck
>>153032414>I too would like Western Renaissance and a decreasing Eastern influence in the youthNo one wants to admit that we need to completely torch the industry and rebuild from scratch for this to happen. Same for a lot of other corrupt western institutions. The web of nepotism is so vast that there needs to be top down action, it is beyond the level where people as individuals can do anything to change it. I'm okay with eastern influence as long as it is quality. Societies should absorb favorable qualities of other societies (or keep them in mind as options) and ignore unfavorable ones.
Jews. They lie about how expensive animation is when they’re actually just pocketing most of the budget
>>153036983Ive given it a chance before and it tends to be really depressing shit. I'm trying to have fucking fun.
>>153031122>weI'm not american, anon. Our normal voice actors can also sing, unlike stinky ass Hollyjewd "actors'
>>153037126>Our normal voice actors can also singAnd yet Japan has never made a musical anime
>>153037040This has obviously been happening. Just like with BLM where they were pocketing most of the money, most of the social activists in Hollywood do the same thing. People need to wake up and realize how bad the corruption is instead of doing this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWCLI7lXEdI.>>153037052There is a lot of fun stuff though. Puniru wa Kawaii Slime was mostly this and aired recently. It doesn't really dwell on depressing stuff that much but if it does but it is really restrained and mature about it.There's Gunsmith Cats, Aho Girl, Villainess Level 99, Bad Girl, which are all basically dumb fun animationwise etc. This also isn't counting Tokusatsu like some of the more silly Kamen Riders or Super Sentai or similar. SoL is s huge genre too. Also hard to tell what you mean by depressing stuff because it could be argued that, for the west, stuff like Batman has a depressing backstory but some of his stuff is campy.
>>153037165>BLM out of nowhere Go back to /pol/
>>153020929>all that budget on hair>rest of the fight looks like crap
>>153037151Animaniacs had musical numbers.
>>153037151Very unsubtle way to get recommendations, but fine.Sympogear, Princession, that one anime that takes place in America where people are linked to spirits that I can't remember the name of, etc. Then there all the slice of life band ones I dislike>>153037188BLM has been known to do that so the top brass can buy mansions and stuff, ironically, in white neighborhoods. That is part of the reason they crumbled and aren't mentioned as much as during their peak. Only the insane hardliners who don't care about the corruption are still attached to it.There are plenty of "right wing" organizations that are corrupt and full of grifters too, but none of them were that huge of a non accountable, non governmental organization that had huge influence and also terrorist proclivities. I guess Antifa but they were frankly not as big and most of those naive white members double dipped into BLM as well.
>>153037239Written, voiced, storyboarded and directed by Americans >>153037264>Then there all the slice of life band ones I dislikeK-on is not a fucking musical
>>153037264>Suddenly Antifa Once again go back to /pol/
>>153013474>Why is western animation so expensive?How many times does it need saying that Hollywood is a massive money laundering empire. That's fucking why.
>>153021026Dandadan is zoomer/gen alpha bait, so I would be unsurprised, but there is a lot of niche stuff with way better story telling than invincible. You can almost never trust the hyped up stuff but you would know that if you actually looked for things that appealed to you instead of just looking at the top hits
>>153037151>And yet Japan has never made a musical animeBut anon, one of the greatest /a/ songs ever comes from a musical anime.https://youtu.be/_WXNeFygGME
>>153037126Bitch please your country’s voice actors are absolute dog shit. Now get off this site
>>153037288Are we specifically defining 'musical anime' here as shows that follow the specific western tradition of musicals in terms of not just the presence of music in the work, but also exactly how that music is used in a narrative context? Because thats going to be a massive limiter on your options for the singular reason that you can't expect a non-western show to adhere to western theatrical storytelling conventions. Same way that we wouldn't expect a comic to have manga style paneling.
>>153037288Only voiced and partly written, most of it's production team is Japanese as Toshihiko Masuda, Kenji Hachizaki, Takashi Kawaguchi and Kazuhide Tomonaga will all like to have a word with you.
>>153037165I want action that's brutal like the stuff in invincible but every time it turns into the most sad shit ever idk
>>153037288Oh you meant literally musical where they have a song at least once or twice an episode, not just music genre.Still what I listed above except for that American one I don't remember then. Macross is also one as >>153037311 says. >>153037302Cope. I don't know why you don't want to admit the left, both far and moderate, is just as corrupt as the neocon and MAGA right in the US. There is no legitimate antiestablishment movement for either since the left wants to mass import slave labor for mega corporations and the mainstream right wants to do the same but """legally""". Both also talk a lot of stuff about putting Americans first but are quick to sell us out to foreigners and foreign states like Israel or Palestine or whatever other brown people wants to scam us that day.
>>153037419>grr why is this 6 second long shot of birds dying not animated as if the artists had guns pointed at their balls
>>153037344>that follow the specific western tradition of musicals in terms of not just the presence of music in the work, but also exactly how that music is used in a narrative context? Yes, because that's exactly what a musical is. Beck is an anime about music, Hazbin hotel is a musical. K-on is not an anime about music or a musical
>>153037320You wish, mutt
>>153037425>CopeIt has shit to do with the topic at hand so go back to /pol/
>>153037459K-on is garbage is what it is. Lol!
>>153037421So you just want slaughter with barely anything else to get attached to?There are a ton of shounen like that. To me it seems you basically just want pure shock value but with no story substance and I don't really go for those. When I watch a show I want to get something out of it, just just gawk at the spectacle. I can think of some violent stuff like Hellsing Ultimate, but sadly there is an actual story and characters attached it it.>>153037479It does. They are heavily connected to entertainment and shows how utterly corrupt it is in the west. People need to stop dreaming about how we can vote our way out of this or that these megacorporations and astroturfed political movements are secretly our friends. They have had years to change the direction of society, and of course, the sorry state of the animation/entertainment industry and they haven't. As far as I am concerned for the best way to solve this nepotism and corruption problem, we can toss these current artists all into a mass grave and start over with fresh blood.
>>153037459Okay. Thats a fair distinction and I agree with you on the vocab, just had to define terms. Like I said, you're going to have trouble then finding any 'true' musicals in anime because thats simply not a part of their cultural tradition int he same way as it was in western theater. That said, would you count something like this as a musical or no?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADFNy_eHgIkIts a scene choreographed and set to music that the characters are singing, but its diagetic. They are literally doing it in canon and everyone knows and expects it because thats how their powers work, as opposed to musical numbers in a 'true' musical being rarely recognized as such.
>>153037533Invincible has story and characters. It just also has violence n stuff. Also tits. I like tits. It gets sad at times but never too sad where I feel like I should stop reading it.
>>153013474Why do western shows with a more “realistic” style look so corpse like or straight up go anime?
>>153037537I'd say that scene is on the edge of being a musical because other characters are interrupting the performance
>>153037558Try watching Hellsing Ultimate. It is one of the few shows where the dub is superior to the sub. It's 10 episodes and has violence and good plot, but not melodrama.If you find that too sad then I can't help you because frankly speaking, it just means that to me you are insecure about your own emotions and can't deal with them, which I think is immature, and furthermore I think that you should in either reign in your emotions or just stick to stuff that you yourself admit is lower impact and less emotionally resonant. The issue isn't that they are too sad, imo, it is that you can't push past your own feelings to appreciate the other things past that and you are, in essence, getting in the way of your own enjoyment.
>>153037151Nabeshin made a good one in 2005https://youtu.be/MS5mlaItkGA
>>153037640I can't think of one anime where they just completely break into song then. All of it is diegetic whenever they do it, or is insert songs which I can assume in your eyes, doesn't count.As the other anon said, it just isn't a part of their culture to do it like that. There are plenty of anime that feel very operatic or have a strong musical motiff like Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Princess Tutu for the former and latter respectively, but nothing that emulates the feeling of some western Broadway musical 100%. To be fair, most modern animated musicals in the west suck though so I imagine you are starving in both cases.
>>153037502It is definitely overrated.
>>153037640Personally I would say that its not really a musical because while in Symphogear the songs that the girls sing has an EMOTIONAL reflection thats not meaningless (Chris's songs and what they are about change pretty dramatically over the course of the show, creating a strong progression from her vengeful and angry origins to her trying to figure out what to do with her life after her unexpected redemption and second chance, and finally settling on a determination to spare others the suffering she grew up with) the songs don't actually in themselves tell a story coherent to the scene they are in. Every good musical has its music not just be a catchy song, but actually expose the inner workings of the characters and actively advance the plot. The music doesn't happen in the scene, the music IS the scene. Dramatic revelations, betrayals, changes of heart, etc all happen in the lyrics in a true musical.Even in anime like Symphogear and Macross where the music is recurring and the scenes are built around them, that isn't what the songs themselves are written to do so I wouldn't call them musicals in nature. This isn't disparagement, its just a recognition that they are doing different things. In the same way that Japan doesn't do musicals like disney does, western animation likewise doesn't do diagetic music based action like the clip posted before.
>>153013474This is why we get PNG animations now.
>>153037863Literally the only two people I know from this image is JK Simmons and Mark Hamill
>>153037453They probably shouldn't linger on it so long considering how awful it looks.
>>153037710>>153037748Anon who posted >>153037667, NDB is a real musical-comedy series in that sense, it’s a direct parody of The Blues Brothers. However they reuse most of the melodies with different lyrics to fit the plot of each episode. It’s definitely not a Broadway show. https://youtu.be/WHhWZLVW1tM Some of the clips on YT have multiple versions of the songs.
>>153037934This is some good shit
>>153037934It is funny how in Japan there is a way bigger focus on music except in the case of the musical genre.Almost very anime has a full length OP and ED (sometimes multiple or even a different one every episode), plus insert songs, plus character themes/songs, plus diegetic music, plus musical motiffs, but they barely have full western style musicals
>>153037875You're missing out on some kino.
>>153037453just a couple frames would have been enough to make the birds in the background not look like absolute shit but again, Amazon and Kirkman don’t give a fuck about animation as an art
>>153038009Yeah for real, I wonder why it isn’t done.
>>153037647I'll find things to enjoy from the west. Fuck anime fuck japan.
>>153038104because it takes effort and costs money
>>153038113Okay. If you find enjoyment in slop then honestly good for you. This sounds like an insult but I sometimes wish I could take pleasure in watching complete slop all the time. Even in anime there is a lot of it I have to avoid, and it's even worse in the west at the moment. Being able to just watch pretty colors and fights sounds nice, you don't have to do nearly the same amount of work in finding anything good.
>>153038157They already spend that money on other music, all they would have to do is shift some of the lyricists and bands they hire into actual writing credits. It might actually make it cheaper to do that depending on who it is.
>>153038167If you watch anime you already enjoy slop sry
>>153038182usually music for this kind of stuff comes from an already owned/leased catalog that they pluck from
>>153038104I don't think Japan really cares much for copying the cartoon, western style of musical.Which, honestly, isn't really a surprise, since most people don't really like musicals, especially nowadays.The "theater kid" archetype is a very different beast in Japan, less gay enby woman who is obsessed with cartoons and musicals, more edgy goth-looking loner who loves edgy stuff and melodrama.
>>153037974It’s a great show I wish we had more american adult cartoons like it too>>153038157It’s probably multiple cultural-historical and educational-professional factors, like American cartoons using musical timing because of Mickey Mouse and stage acting and musical theater because of vaudeville while Japanese cartoons use different timing rhythms that come from rakugo and kodan comedy and the artistic and dramatic conventions of kamishibai street performance
I think the invincible fans won this thread. Jjkfags cry about it.
>>153038213Definitely not for ones that do character songs and the like. Often times for character songs they even have the character voice actors sing for them too.Not every anime has these extras, but more than you think do.
>>153038331JJK is hoodweeb nigslop.So is Invincible, so is this a crip vs blood thing going on?
>>153038213Huh?That's not true, a lot of the time the songs are just sung by the VAs themselves.
>>153038375Not only that but some VAs make their own music on the side. Symphogear is a case where one of the VAs just does the ED everytime, so not only can she sing and voice act, she could just write a musical
>>153038355Idk what hood weeb means
>>153038473A hoodweeb like you has a search engine at his fingertips and cannot even use it.https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hoodweeb
>>153038473Black and brown "weebs" who only watch shonenshit and other FotM shit.The western equivalent is into shit like Invincible and The Boys.
>>153036735>That had 3DCG in it so of course that had a larger budget.JJK S3 has almost the same, if not more, use of CGI that SAC. Also the anime has more frames than an average anime, and was in production during a time of weak yen (meaning the outsourcing was more expensive). There is no way that every episode was around 150k, more like 3 times that amount, at minimum.
>>153037875Yuen is better known for being Glenn in TWD.
>>1530389963DCG became cheaper overtime.
>>153014218Illumination isn't handling this show's animation. What red herring bullshit are you trying to pull??
>>153038355First of all fuck you I don't even like JJK that much.Second the fact that you present yourself as some grand connoisseur of dumb action series for Japanese children says alot about.
>>153014481It DID, but not because of the animation. Record label licenses/fees and VAs are gobbling down the green like Slimer at a hotdog buffet.
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>>153038341I LOVE "Oh, My" from Hunter x Hunter.
>>153039267It's literally the opposite. Kpop Demon Hunters budget was 100 million, Zootopia 2 was 150 million.
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>>153039517That a french studio can snatch one of the best animation directors of Japan because the latter pays their talent in peanuts.
>>153039631>one of the best animation directors of Japan
>>153039672Bratty Slime!!!!
>>153039631>one of the best animation directors of Japanlmao>he doesn't know
