>It has been 80 years since WW2 endSo, will they retcon his backstory now?
>>153016149he's been degaged like twice
>>153016149Yeah now theyll make it his parents died in oct 7th lel
Magnetic grandpa will outlive all real-world Holocaust survivors
When did he become a specific Holocaust victim anyways? Because I remember the cartoon sort of left it kind of vague while just showing war torn eastern europe which let's be honest can be damn near any time. Hell didn't marvel already retcon all the vietnam guys to some made up war.
>>153016149Vietnam Vet.
>>1530162751981 with claremont, x-men #150
>>153016149It's not a big deal, just make slow aging his secondary mutation. Lots of mutants have one
>>153016149Retconning Magneto's backstory would be one of the worst decisions you could make with the character
>>153016149The sensible answer is that you eventually just let him die because he's old as balls, while the sliding timeline will eventually mean he's too old to have been around for the dawn of Silver Age Marvel, but he's too popular to stay dead so they'll just periodically find excuses to de-age him.>>153016275The 90s cartoon had his family die as civilian casualties in a non-specific war in eastern Europe, while X-Men '97 retcons this to use the comic origin with WWII and the Holocaust instead.
Why do people have this hang-up with Magneto but nobody questions characters like Wolverine or Mystique?
>>153016499wolverine's superpower is regenerating. magneto's superpower is magnet.
>>153016564and Mystique?
>>153016149Look up "floating timeline".
>>153016437Virtually everything they've done with Magneto and with the X-Men for over 20 years has been a series of the worst decisions they could make with him. When everything is already awful, at worst this is just going to be a sideways move.
>>153016599He's immune to floating like Captain America.
>>153016580ShapeshiftingSo she can change the body from old to youngIts kinda out there
>>153016149They can just retcon in that the X-Gene gives you an extended lifespan compared to normal humies.
>>153016637Nah, even by current standards it'd be pretty bad. I rather not maximize crappiness
>>153016170this pretty much.in the original story where claremont revealed his past he even claimed that the memories were "rendered more vivid" because of the deaging.
>>153016149make him Palestinian and have his parents get killed by Israel
>>153016149This is why referencing real world events in comic books is a really stupid idea. It immediately dates the a character, and the writer has to go through Rube Goldberg plots and/or screw with the timeline to explain why the character isn't aging.
>>153016499There are characters who have being long-lived or non-aging as part of their established power-set, and then there are characters who are supposed to age normally but got backstory tying to a particular time in history.Reed Richards and Ben Grimm were originally meant to be WWII veterans, and Xavier and Juggernaut fought in the Korean War, these, and most characters tied to the Vietnam War, even the Punisher, have eventually been retconned away due to the sliding timescale, but we have Magneto, who is neither an immortal nor unaging, and he's permanently tied to WWII because they wouldn't dare undo that Holocaust origin, and he doesn't canonically get de-aged until a 1970s comic story that the sliding timeline has moved to somewhere less than 13 years from now.
>>153016149>>It has been 80 years since WW2 end>So, will they retcon his backstory now?extremely slowed aging due to being a mutant.
>>153016149I'd say him now being a Palestine survivor, and being angry at the world nobody stepped in to stop it is a good new origin story for him.
>>153016825He's supposed to be a guy who can move metal. Not tap into cosmic bullshit to stop aging.
>>153016859I mean his powers are actually electromagnetism, not just moving metal. One of the four fundamental forces of the universe.
>>153016842That would be good for the next inevitable Ultimate universe reboot.
>>153016794Did they ever retcon Punisher? He still looks like he’s in his 40’s.
>>153016149It is really bad that we've reached a point now where WW2 isn't really a viable backstory anymore. Just shows how sometimes characters just need to be retired
>>153016929I think he is a canonically a veteran of ambiguous unnamed foreign conflict now
>>153016938If your character is tied to a real world event, you gotta kill them off.
>>153016808didn't Tony Stark originally fight in Korea, before they swiftly changed it to Vietnam, and then Desert Storm?where would comics be if not for villains repeating themselves and having to be stopped over and over..in any case, it wouldn't be that bad for most of them, but the issue is he needs to have met Xavier as a young man.. so he would have to have done some pretty severe de-aging right away, not merely later after he got old enough to need it.
>>153016908He's a mutant, not the Silver Surfer. He should have clear limits of what he's capable of. And electromagnetism doesn't stop you from aging.
>>153016750Him targeting America specifically would make a lot more sense in this scenario. And he'd have a lot of sympathy with the readers as being grey coded morality.
>>153017051>grey coded morality.Stfu
>>153016859>>153016908they can give it to him as a secondary power he has or something.
>>153017006Iron Man's origin was originally in Vietnam, a 1991 re-telling of the origin moved it to a non-specific east-Asian conflict, that lasted until Warren Ellis' brief run in 2004-5 moved it to Afghanistan, which the movie copied.John Byrne supposedly wanted to make Magneto's backstory just false memories Xavier gave him to make him easier to deal with, it's a viable way out, but people would lose their minds.
>>153017111>John Byrne supposedly wanted to make Magneto's backstory just false memories Xavier gave him to make him easier to deal withthat's pretty stupid.
>>153017109If they'd done that a lot earlier, maybe. Doing it now would be a very obvious asspull, and once you set the precedent of just giving characters new powers and pretending they always had them, other writers are going to do that for other characters.
>>153017140i wouldn't say its an asspull if he's already over a hundred years old.
>>153017140So what's your bright idea to retcon his backstory and deal with the numerous continuity issues it'd create?
>>153017006What is interesting is that the first usage of Sin-Cong war to replace Vietnam was in Iron Man for Rhodey's military history, but then Extremis uses the middle east and that kind of sticks for a while.
>>153017140>once you set the precedent of just giving characters new powers and pretending they always had themThat ship has sailedNorman Osborn was never anything else than a man with split personality disorder and above average strength, yet he was turned into a healing factor beast to rival the likes of early Wolverine after Clone SagaThat trend came in full swing with things like Logan's old time sensei, Ogun, being revealed to be some sort of psychic demon that jumps vessels as he pleases
>>153017111>Welcome to Southeast Asia!
>>153017180Marvel has been retconning Magneto's backstory for a while now in subtle ways. Besides Max Einsenhart (I guess that's the right name), Claremont clearly depicted him as old enough, like at the very least as bordering on adulthood during the first time we saw his WW2 flashbacks. Magneto Testament, meanwhile, has him as a 8 year old or so during his time on the concentration camps.
>>153017129That’s just Byrne
>>153017129>that's pretty stupid.It's not like Xavier hasn't done worse. And if you think about it, back in the early 80s giving Magneto this backstory and suddenly pretending he was a guy with a cause bigger than himself was pretty stupid. It just seemed deep and meaningful when you were a child.>>153017164He's been de-aged at least twice in comic stories from the 70s onwards. The issue is the increasing gap between WWII and the start point of X-Men #1, and yes, suddenly revealing it's just another power of his would indeed be an asspull.
>>153017220My favorite country
>>153017213>Norman Osborn was never anything else than a man with split personality disorderNorman didn't have a split personality. You're thinking of the Raimi movies
>>153017246I disagree - fleshing out characters in this fashion and having some stuff stick out there has been a thing as long fiction has been fiction, and things acclaimed as all time greats like Breaking Bad do it quite often. The audience knows the writers are making it as they go along. Going with stuff like Byrne suggested is basically how we get stuff like the Mandarin in Iron Man 3, where he's supposed to be this big threat, who then is revealed to be a bumbling actor, but wait a minute, the Mandarin was Guy Pierce all along so it's all good. The story needs to pick a lane. Halfway measures read terribly.
>>153016943Everyone who's backstory is rooted in WWII or Vietnam and isn't Captain America was retconned to be set in the Siancong War.
>>153017265Whatever the technical term is - when his Goblin memories are repressed due to whatever McGuffin of the occasion happened to be, and he begins frothing at the mouth trying to remember just exactly what happened. Doesn't really impact the overall point of how writers love coming up with previously untouched upon powers if the plot needs it.And if Marvel wants to keep the Holocaust story, they're bound to.
>>153017180>So what's your bright ideaJust kill him off so we don't have to deal with any of this anymore, un-retcon any younger characters out of being related to him, and we don't have to worry about continuity issues because he's gone and eventually so are his fans.To be fair, my solution to how to fix X-Men in general is to just cancel it until the entire fandom ages to death.
>>153016149In another decade or so they might just try making him a Palestinian.
>>153016149It's not a problem unless you make it one. It's just something you have to accept as "these characters were created in the 60s". All attempts to reconcile the issue just end poorly.
>>153016178So he fears shitty desert rave music and flying lawnmower?
>>153016149just hug even Even peters and you will be golde
>>153016149He should be Palestinian
>>153016437Why? Because he would lose the one thing that people can use to argue why he isn’t any different from the people he hates so much?
>>153016149They should make him Israeli and turn him into a villain again
>>153017373>>153019530Should unironically be done for an Ultimates-style alt universe version. Not for 616. Style him specifically off of Yahya Sinwar. Sinwar's prison story would make for fantastic origin story setting.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5rYNgq5Iqg
Just make him call people who question the math anti-semites
>>153016499Wolverine is 300 years old and also no one would care if he no longer became a WW2 vet because it’s not that big of a deal for his character. People would probably have a problem with Captain America’s origins being retconned though.
My extreme solution. Reboot the main timeline and don’t use real countries or dates. Just make fake countries and fake historical events.
>>153016149>It has been 80 years since WW2 end Really? Only 80?
>>153019671I agree they should reboot marvel but they shouldnt only use fake countries it should be a mix of real and fake countries like how comics have always done it
>>153016929One of the newer series put him in Iraq, but I can't remember if it was supposed to be Desert Storm, or the War on Terror, to match him to the MCU origin. But he also has the been ressurected multiple times card, with Angel Punisher and Frankencastle.
>>15302036680 years, 6 months, 28 days.
>>153016149>It has been 80 years since WW2 end>So, will they retcon his backstory now?I didn't realize how old he is meant to be until I thought about it. At best he's 95-96 years old in 2026.
>>153016794>This is why referencing real world events in comic books is a really stupid ideaIt's only a stupid idea if you're planning on using a character forever.
>>153016149Imagine they made him a Palestinian survivor of the Gaza genocide.
>>153016149I'm surprised they haven't made him a negro and was a 'victim' of police brutality multiple times already cause 'he just be a mutant ain't never hurtin nobody' and hje was just having a bad day when he used his powers to kill a thousand White cops because y'know, they tried stopping him robbing a car because he's a negro
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>>153017111>>153017129And people asks why everyone hates Byrne
>>153017111>John Byrne supposedly wanted to make Magneto's backstory just false memories Xavier gave him to make him easier to deal with, it's a viable way out, but people would lose their minds.The only legitimate way out of this is for an entire reboot of Marvel characters. Born later with different character backgrounds. Magneto would no longer be someone who lived through the holocaust, but is a descendant of one of his parents who escapes Auschwitz. Now he's someone who doesn't want his people to go through the horrors of WW2 again, so takes a radical approach to stopping that. I dunno if long time Magneto fans would like that, but wouldn't you want something fresh instead of stagnating with character arcs that have a specific place and time in history.
>>153016149 I feel like whoever asked this questions all I've been told reasonable answers multiple times that this guy has been the de aged multiple times and and they just don't like that he had sympathy credit for being a Holocaust victim because he doesn't want people to have sympathy for being victims of the Holocaust.>>153020634 That genocide because of two major things one the enemy has to be trying to kill you more than your own side and 2 your population has to go down not higher and faster than anyone else on the planet.>>153020688s as a holocaust Survivor the strictly definition for many people would be a Jew from Nazi Germany who was in the camps but depending on contacts there could be multiple different definitions like any Jew who survived Nazi Germany in World War II or anyone who survived those camps rather they were Jewish or not that's no big deal and what you're saying could easily be the problem of a typo or someone gets in basic facts incorrect or having a bad unofficial source you don't have some big gotcha.
>>153016437The holocaust origin IS a retcon of Magneto's backstory, to say nothing of him going from jew to gypsy-pretending-to-be-a-jew to jew-pretending-to-be-a-gypsy-pretending-to-be-a-jew
>>153021735 I'm pretty sure the Gypsy stuff was just who adopted his redcon children Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver .The two of them never grew up as part of the Jewish community and he just had children who were brought up in the Gypsy community but even before he saw himself as a mutant Magneto never saw himself as a gypsy.
>when you find out that gold isn't magnetic
>>153021779Even better. It is repelled by magnetic fields.
>>153016149His grandparents died in the holly making him a second generation survivor
>>153016149some characters need to be attached to WW2.Cap, Fury, Wolverine, Widow are 4 of those. Mag is another.
>>153022138So the old fool sends some gold shrapnel through slim at muzzle velocity
>>153023851>Some characters need to be attached to WW2The further we drift away from WW2, the more irrelevant Marvel characters become. Really makes you think.
>>153023851Only Cap needs to be
>>153016149Recently decades of Captain America stories were retconned by Zdarsky. He was now unfrozen from the ice AFTER 9/11, which is still roughly when the Avengers were founded. They can absolutely get rid of him meeting Charles in Israel for something more modern, all they’d have to do it explain why he’s so old. I think they’d use Sinister, who was already at the same concentration camp as Magneto, experimenting on the prisoners.
>>153016327Claremont was raised in a kibbutz btw
>>153016750>>153016842>does Israel still hide under the iron dome? the fools
>>153023851>WidowMarvel's been downplaying Natasha's origins since the MCU.
>>153024433>does Israel still hide under the iron dome?What do you mean by hidden, when they have the ability to destroy the enemy at any time, but the International Community insists they allow rockets to be fired without restraint? That’s not cowardice; that’s an attempt to be a good neighbor to enemies who want to kill you, all while they cry to others that they’re the victims just trying to survive, even though their only intention is to kill others, even at the cost of their own lives.
>>153024459MCU synergy isn't a good thing
>>153023851I didn't know Widow was attached to ww2 at all
>>153024626I didn't say it was a good thing. Most casuals don't have any clue about her backstory. Case in point >>153024660The MCU really ruined Natasha. She's fundamentally a different character with almost nothing about her comic self preserved in the adaptation, and now everything else has to follow suit.It's like doing a Spider-Man movie without uncle Ben and every piece of media afterwards pretending he never existed.Oh, wait
>>153024318>Recently decades of Captain America stories were retconned by Zdarsky. He was now unfrozen from the ice AFTER 9/11Not just after 9/11, after the 2nd Iraq War. 616 Cap has now awoken AFTER the first UltCap.
>>153016929Punisher was killed, turned into an undead, and then resurrected to the prime of his life via the Bloodstone.
>>153019671Like Ace Combat? I can dig it.
>>153024963In all fairness Natasha's backstory has seen multiple retcons in the past 20 years. IIRC currently she's currently older than Cap, is a supersoldier, is immortal, and is also the latest in a series of clones.
>>153017111>John Byrne supposedly wanted to make Magneto's backstory just false memories Xavier gave him to make him easier to deal with, it's a viable way out, but people would lose their minds.>>153017129>>153017237>>153017246Byrne is going forward with this in the upcoming X-Men Elsewhen collections.
Why can’t people accept the multiple canon explanations for why he’s not physically old anymore?
>>153026808Because those don't address the issue that due to sliding timeline Mags now needs to be roughly 83 years old in his debut appearance.
>>153016499>why does no one have an issue with the character who can regenerate being super old?!?!retard
>>153025420man, comics are stupid.
>>153016149>will jews ever let go from the holocaust and world war II?OP is very delusional and bluepilled.
>>153027483and Mystique? Regeneration doesn't mean immune to aging either
>>153027866Mystique also has regeneration, and both her and Wolverine are effectively biologically immortal
>>153027412This is one of the problems with Magneto, the sliding timeline fundamentally alters his friendship with Charles.The idea that they saw each other as equals and like brothers doesn't feel the same when Magneto is old enough to be Xavier's grandfather.
>>153028072Charles has his own opposite problem in that his current age is actually only around 50 and he in his mid-30s when the X-Men debuted.
>>153028502What's the problem with that? Yeah. Charles is younger than people generally assume
>>153016149>80 years>still rent freeHow does he do it?
>>153020441Ah, that sounds more like it
>>153016149just make immortal, problem solved
>>153016149They'll probably just say Captain America saved him from Aushwitz and they both got frozen in the iceberg somehow.>>153016178This lol
>>153016437I would also make Kitty Catholic.
>>153016599You can't make the Holocaust have a floating timeline no matter how badly you want to.
>>153016149Tourist
>>153017006The big problem is he and Xavier's backstory only works if they're both actually young men who are naive and still figuring things out. They have the same type of desires but eventually grow into people of two opposing ideologies. Sort of like Dumbledore and Grindelwald. If Magneto was older at any point in time and got deaged it just doesn't work. It would make more sense for him to get sent back in time and live through the Holocaust before Xavier somehow saves him and when he gets brought back to the present the Holocaust turned him evil but that would be cringey and ridiculous which means they're probably going to do it.
>>153017129It's honestly some of the most honest storytelling I've ever heard
>>153017265The 90's cartoon did it first, new friend
>>153016149Nah. Hes a walking jew victimization, zionism, ww2 propoganda piece. Hes more of a naked propoganda tool then captain anerica believe it or not.
>>153017180His parents were protesting with Rachel Corrie when they were all murdered and he was imprisoned and tortured for nearly a decade by Israelis.
>>153021772Magneto being their parent is a retcon that goes in and out of canon
>>153025420And before that he was killed and resurrected as an agent of angels. And there's an alt universe story where he dies and Mephisto brings him back, and even he is weirded out over how horrible Franks life is.I always preferred the MAX storyline which actually showed him as a very old man.
>>153028072Xavier also had his body destroyed and cloned by the Shiar once, around the time of the trial of magneto in the 80s.
>>153016499Wolverines origin has been in flux for generations l. Only now is hus stupid origin being looked at sideways.Him being centuries old soldier with berserker mutant piwers is cool. His claws being real and part of his mutation has always been stupid too me but its accepted so I just roll with it. Mystique is ruined forever snd took down nightcrawler and most of the xmen connected to her..sorry its a he now..by proxy.Only wierd fucks who can be pointed to as the reason for the now total death of the xmen as marketable characters like it.
>>153024464Hello jew Anon, you're surprisingly active on this board.
>>153026808> Bro just don't think about itThis will never be an acceptable explanation
>>153016929All the vietnam guys became afghanistan
>>153029661>Mystique is ruined forever snd took down nightcrawler and most of the xmen connected to her..sorry its a he now..by proxy.Mystique was always fucked since she was Claremonts weirdo fetish doll. Originally she was supposed to have shapeshifted into a man to impregnate her lesbian lover Destiny, giving birth to Nightcrawler. The whole thing with Mystique getting fucked by the devil was a later explanation because Claremonts original backstory was not allowed to be printed.
>>153029751The original origin of noghtcrawler was that hes half demon and the son of nightmare. His teleportation is his demon birth right and not his power. But Claremont decided to make him mystique wierd buttbaby if his trans pan serial rapist fetish character to tie IT to the xmen forever. He gotnit buf not in the way he wanted. Which is good because it would have fucked both characters firever and had then both shoved off to the bad characters and ideas limbo zone forever. Which is what is happening now, inspite of marvel/Disney/blackrocks best efforts. Hopefully Disney will be stupid enough to canonize this utter retardation in "doomsday" so the backlash will cause SOME entertainment with the tons of YouTube grifters hopping on it. Will also shine a light on the retardation of marvel comics and might get some changes happening. For pity's sake night crawler was made blue instead of his original pitch black color to tie him to mystique more.
>>153029815Black things are usually colored blue in comics so it is easier to depict details in anyway.
>>153029815>For pity's sake night crawler was made blue instead of his original pitch black color to tie him to mystique more.iirc Nightcrawler actually has normal skin color, but he also has a thin layer of fur on his entire body, which is what makes him look black.
>>153016149>So, will they retcon his backstory now?What backstory?
>>153022138As are copper, lead, tin, zinc, mercury, silver, bismuth, and a few other materials.Paramagnetic materials have weird behaviors.
>>153029568Even setting Magneto aside entirely, Xavier has a son whose mother was a Holocaust survivor that he met while using his powers to help treat her trauma. She'd be in her 80s at least IRL by now.
>>153032599Xavier felt so guilty about being attracted to girls slightly under the age of consent that he banged someone in her 60s.
>>153016149He is a 90 to 100 year old man who refuses therapy.
>>153032638...Sh-SHUT UP!>Hides folder labled GILFs inside of Windows32
