Fairly OddParents premiered on March 30th 2001. What is it's legacy?
>>153021407Being an aight show
Dead franchise
very funny cartoon
>>153021407>What is it's legacy?A bunch of good episodesCreator hated by everyoneForgotten revivalAnd some nice porn of Wanda
>>153021407Camp Sherwood
>>153021407>What is it's legacy?Like a handful of Nick's shows, started out strong, but got weaker over time. Ended up gutting it's own cast down to the main trio, Dad, Crocker, Foop and Vicky, while introducing new characters that didn't leave a mark. Had a cool rule system in place, but ended up ignoring it half the time, and of course the infamous "secret wish".Creator is a hack who took money from fans and now runs a Christian grift that doesn't seem to be going anywhereIn terms of the fans, it's mostly there for old shipping wars and porn.
>>153021407>What is it's legacy?horrible seasonal rot and shafting the mc for quirky girls
>>153021407The first seasons will be classics forever and I'm satisfied with that.
>>153021642FOP does has a stopping point. Many people argue what exactly it is in many ways you can argue what is the golden age of Simpsons. Many characters get flanderized and some get pushed to the front that should have stayed one off. Probably the funniest is the whole school just disappearing except Crocker.
>>153021407Unfunny irritating shit show. Invader zim should've lasted longer then this shit.
>>153021505You lost, Jhohanny.
>>153021642>HorsmaThis guy's done such a great job with his FOP fanart that it keeps tempting me to throw my hat in the ring. That short he did with Brandy and Cosmo was awesome.
>>153021531This! FOP and Spongebob always puts a smile on my face.
>>153021407You know how you have shows like Adventure Time and SvTFOE that arguably listened too much to the shippers? FoP is like the opposite. If you completely shut off the shipping faucet after its been established, you lose your show, simple as.
>>153021810What makes for the best stopping point then? The answer often varies between fans. Channel Chasers is the most common answer, and I certainly agree with it, but Wishology wasnt so bad.
I wish they did more with the Crimson Chin. I'd have rather gotten a Chin spin off than the Crash Nebula pilot.
>>153021810IMO Channel Chasers was the absolute pinnacle of the series, but what immediately followed was still good. The introduction of Poof in season 6 for me marks the point where there's no real point in watching anymore. So basically seasons 1 - 5 are the "golden age" as I personally see it. 5's a little weaker than what came before but not outright bad.
>>153021835Cope
>>153021829Maybe Jhonen himself should've lasted longer in his fight with Butch rather than getting slimed by him in one punch (literally, he knocked him into the old slime fountain).
>>153021855>>153021878Agreed on Channel Chasers, but there are some good season 5 episodes after it.I didn't find Wishology that great. In fact, season 6 as a whole had this weird vibe to it. Colors are brighter, voices are louder, humor is more absurd and less witty. Realistically, the last Jimmy Timmy Power Hour movie was the "original" finale, may as well stop there.
>>153021894Wrong, faggot
>>153021810Pretty much what >>153021878 said. CC was just a dam good special, showed what Timmy was gonna look like in the future, we knew he'd be in good hands, and while he'd unintentionally repeat the same mistakes as his parents, we knew his kids were gonna be alright as well.>>153021841Agreed, I wanna see where this goes.
>>153021878>>153021910I'd agree with these. Season 5 is still worth watching, season 6 is where things start to actually feel off. Channel Chasers is just the best execution of the show's concept in a movie format so naturally it kind of overshadows everything else, but that doesn't necessarily make it the stopping point.
>>153021910>Realistically, the last Jimmy Timmy Power Hour movie was the "original" finale, may as well stop there.Holy BASED. You dont hear that answer come up often but its become my favorite. Frankly it serves as the best finale for both shows.
>>153021910Season 6 is where the show switched from Frederator Studios to Butch's own animation studio, and its where a lot of the style and vibe is lost. I remember people making a big deal out of the flash switch, but I barely noticed the change then, because to me it was already terrible post-Frederator
I don't trust zoomers who defend the poof seasons let alone the reboot
>>153021993I like the reboot with the little black girl, Hazel. It reminded me of season one or maybe 2. Just fun wishes and I appreciated that besides call backs like Poof mostly stayed in itself.
>>153021919S6 onwards continues to baffle me. Half of the decisions made just feel like joke ideas they fully committed to. People talk about seasonal rot, flanderization, zombie series, but everything FOP got upto past S6 is old fashioned shark jumping. There's just so many bizarre auto pilot decisions paired with telltale signs of the creatives being asleep at the wheel from repeated gags to toilet humor. At a certain point it feels like watching a relative succumb to dementia.Likewise the various live action spin offs feel like SFW porn parodies played straight. I struggle to recognize the last two shows as part of the same series either. FOP overall seems to have all the success of Rugrats without any of the upsides. Atleast Rugrats got All Grown Up, FOP hasnt gotten a single good sequel series.
>>153021993>>153022043imo a time jump FoP isnt a bad idea, but going to a completely new cast ruined it. People only really cared about ANW when characters like Poof or Vicky were returning.
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>>153022101>imo a time jump FoP isnt a bad idea, but going to a completely new cast ruined itI couldnt agree with you more. At a time when the entire media apparatus is so fixated on nostalgia anyways, why would you throw a wrench into the works with a proven property like FOP? The end result just feels like a massive middle finger to the old fans. Anyone under the age of 20 doesnt care about FOP, they simply didnt grow up with it.
>>153022114The composition alone is dA tier. You can also just tell everyone is a tweened rig.
>>1530221141. Fairies appearing in front of two non-knowers2. Vicky acting evil in front of Timmy's dad3. The one rando fairy has pointy ears like an anti-fairy4. Vicky hasn't acknowledged Tootie is her sister in 5 seasons. When Tootie isn't around, Vicky and all other characters should be asking "Where's Tootie?"5. I don't know why Timmy's dad is wearing a retard helmet, but its probably the funniest thing late-stage FOP actually did
>>153022206CuteI like when an artist puts a spin on characters.
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>>153022043>>153022101I will say that A New Wish was a decent attempt, and it course corrected Cosmo and Wanda's relationship, which was one of my gripes with the later seasons of the original.
>>153021407Good show that lasted too long to the point where we got at least 3 different Poochie characters that tried to add more life into something that had clearly run its course. Only ones I can remember are the dog, poof, and that blonde girl. Wouldn't be surprised if there were more.
A repetitive show that uses the same 6 jokes that had nothing to really do after season 4 as all the interesting fair world stuff got worn out and funny surrogate older bother alien guy even got boring. "Genie does jerk wish" episode where Conker fucking dies had child me think "holy shit they killed him" only to be confused when he's just there doing the usual FAIRIES routine.Also the live action movies are cursed.>>153021894Invader zim not having seasonal rot isn't a bad thing. And a shitty live action invader zim would have given me a brain tumor.Season 3 would've been nice but the finale legacy movie we got was fine even if it was basically a movie adaptation of the comic style. But I kinda went in expecting that.
>>153021810>>153021855Poof imo
>>153021407>flanderizing and ditching most characters>timmy going from a neglected and abused child to a sociopath>several poochies>timmy fucking dies in a live action movie and becomes a fairy>one day ending without anyone noticing or caring>cucking jimmy neutron
Reminder that he is canonically 60 year old
>>153021407This show was Spongebob-levels big at the time yet it left no cultural footprint besides a couple of memes. How come?
>>153026129Too specific.
>>153022114>>1530222066. The entire existence of Chloe
>>153021882Arrest
>>153025004>>timmy going from a neglected and abused child to a sociopathunintentional realism
>>153021913You can't handle the truth, sperg.
>>153021407It was shit.
>>153027349Not all of it
since there's so much discussion on how much the later seasons suck (because they do), are there any later episodes that you enjoy?
>>153027547I don't know if you would call it later season, but for me it definitely happened in a time when I wasn't watching FOP. Timmy makes bad wishes and is sent to a boot camp for god kids who make bad wishes. There's only two other kids, I can't remember the boy but there was a goth girl who didn't like to be touched. I like the episode if only for shipping reasons.
>>153026129Just think about it, though it was their second biggest hit, they squandered it.>no theatrical movie>barely any merchandise>maybe one or two games compared to the tidalwave of Spongebob options>they had such little faith in it they sold the distribution rights overseas and lost money on it>only when they realized how bad they fucked up, they footed the bill for the later seasons and ruined the series anywaysThey never understood FOP and had more faith in the Sponge and Jimmy. Reminds me of how hard they tried sniffing ATLA.
>>153027547There was one episode where a former godchild of Cosmo and Wanda's who broke free of magic prison and went on a rampage. I thought it was pretty inspired. Then they kind of shit the bed with the Crocker origin episode confirming Wanda and Cosmo were his godparents.
>>153021407Wow, 25 Years!
>>153027387Yes, but MOST of it
>>153026129What exactly is a "cultural footprint"?This show has been off the air for several years now and it still gets talked about on social media all the time.
>>153029814since he's talking about Spongebob memes he must mean "shitty low quality jpegs with impact font that 1% of the internet actually finds funny"
>>153027734>>barely any merchandiseThis one puzzles me the most. How did it manage to last as long as it did without big toy sales and shit? Was it really that cheap to produce?
>>153029867>weird distribution rights fuckery (iirc some company "owned the rights to Timmy's pink hat" for instance)>characters that don't translate well to 3d and have sharp angles that make them hazardous to toddlers>probably a lack of cooperation or effort from the crew themselves, which is why you had shit like "Tootie showing up in a video game looking like a midget Vicky"That said, compared to other Nicktoons, FOP got an ample amount of material. The biggest thing was the theater movie getting canned around 2005. I think they were legitimately experimenting with the idea of "more kids with fairies" (not Chloe, but characters we knew such as Chester or Tootie) and when that movie went under they went with Poof instead.
>>15302140725 years of nonstop revenge fantasy.
>pre-cancellationServiceable cartoon that was enjoyable enough but it was never anything special. Zim was the superior cartoon.>post-revivalActual garbage, it became loud and extremely repetitive and eventually forgot most of the extended cast existed.>rebootsthe live-action ones all suck.A New Wish is of similar quality as pre-cancellation, but its biggest failing is that it doesn't feel like something a kid would wanna watch. Timmy is a selfish asshole and that's what made him fun to watch. Hazel feels bland as a protag.
>>153030499>Zim was the superior cartoon.Nah, it was just your typical Nick-safe edgeslop. A slightly less ugly Ahh! Real Monsters that flopped even more quickly. It had its moments, all Nicktoons did, fucking even Rocket Power did, but this weird victim complex Zimfags have toward FOP feels misplaced because its the least similar cartoon to theirs on the channel, but something something premiered the same day.Consider the following: FoP's first season order was tiny, Zim's was gigantic. In the modern day it would be like comparing something like Wylde Pak to Loud House. FoP was the underdog. Fast foward a year later, Zim is abruptly cancelled, and FoP is given a much larger order, effectively close to a 100 episodes, Butch Hartman is given a second cartoon, etc etc you all know the history.......at least, the parts of history people aren't trying to revise because Butch being Trump supporter = all his stuff retroactively le bad
>>153030541zim was a great show it just had less mass appeal than FOP and had its entire legacy tarnished by lolsorandum femoids
>>153021407Cartoon Saloon and Mirumo De Pon.
>>153030541It would be less gay if you told me that Timmy Turner was your sexual awakening
>>153022829>Conker fucking dies
>>153030574It had nothing to do with mass appeal or even ratings. Zim's ratings did fine and it had more merchandise than FOP did. The problem was that Jhonen tried to pick a fist fight with Butch at work and got his ass knocked out into the slime fountain
>>153030541>safe edgeslopretarded zoomer
>>153030696>Zim's ratings did fine and it had more merchandise than FOP did.Zim had good.ratings but it did terribly with the demographic Nick actually wanted, and all the merch didn't come out until it was actually canceled. It also cost a shitload to make per episode which combined with the demo issue were the main reasons it got canceled, the studio drama was just a minor compounding factor.
>>153029919As a Trixiefag horsma's Tootie pieces have really sold me on the two ending up together
>>153030499>A New Wish is of similar quality as pre-cancellation, but its biggest failing is that it doesn't feel like something a kid would wanna watch. Timmy is a selfish asshole and that's what made him fun to watch. Hazel feels bland as a protagIt really irks me how much new wish continues to get its ass kissed in spite of everything you mentioned. Just like that entire wave of faggy nicktoon revivals, wish is also a toothless regurgitation of the original show. It says and does nothing new, and the few interesting ideas it does offer would have been better suited to a direct follow up of the cast fans were already familiar with and fond of.
>>153026129This you, xir?
>>153031162Trixie seems like a character that is destined to move away from Dimmsdale, and try to become famous. It was disappointing ANW never even hinted at something like this, they were deathly afraid to touch any of Timmy's potential love interests. As someone in those threads, I'd have rather them just rip the bandaid off and go Timmy/Tootie while giving the other love interests something to do, instead of this pussyfooting.>>153031507I wonder if people like this really only see things in their niche internet fandoms. Ofc Fairly Oddparents is more culturally influential and popular than Invader Zim. I think there are more FOP memes than there are Zim episodes.I'm also struggling to see what IZ influenced today, are they taking credit for analog/body horror shit like FNAF or Poppy Playtime now? Nobody figured out dark comedy until a cartoon that aired over two decades ago and ran shorter than Oyvey Primos?
>>153031635Stfu, faggot
>>153021904Now post the other one.
>>153026129>big as SpongeBob No fucking way. This show had traction, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't Spongeboy levels of popular.
>>153031672No its true. FOP was mogging Redditbob in its first few seasons.Then Butch took his eye off the ball because he wanted to make his ghost capeshit show, and when he came back his wife's church had turned him completely insane.
>>153031694>RedditbobKys, megafaggot
>>153031652>>153031698Go back.
>>153031712No, you go back, faggot
>>153031694That never happened.
>>153031736Go back.
>>153031746Fuck off
>>153031751Go back.
>>153031774Ok, subhuman samefag
>>153031694FOP briefly was going toe-to-toe with Spongebob at its peak, but this was both short-lived and not some kind of "mogging". People for some reason take this way out of context and claim it means FOP was beating the shit out of Spongebob ratings-wise at their peaks, but the truth is it's more like they were briefly equals before FOP fell off while Spongebob kept going.
>>153031842Read >>153031745
>>153031842FOP's Poof movie obliterated anything else on the channel in terms of views up to that point besides the original AGU special
>>153031863Except Spongebob of course.
Everything went to shit after Channel Chasers. Wishology was when the show was in it's downfall era.
>>153031849No it did happen, it just wasn't some epic mogging like the retard in this thread is claiming.>>153031863The Poof movie got 8.81 million views, Atlantis Squarepantis got 9.22 million views. Also for the record neither of these are things to brag about, these are both considered the points where the shows were pretty much beyond redemption and for most of the viewers they were just wake up calls that both Spongebob and FOP respectively had gone to shit.
>>153031885Sponge/co/per, be silent and listen. A Fairly OddMan is speaking.
>>153031907That ended up being fake by the way.>>153031885No, it didn't, SpongeBob was mogging Pokémon, something FOP never did.
>>153031907Well one of our sources is wrong, because the wikipedia article for Atlantis Squarepantis itself has it pegged at 9.22 million with a different source. Either way I'm really not defending Spongebob here, like I said I consider this the moment where it was beyond saving.
>>153031907Fuck off
Is someone seriously trying to fucking tribe wars FOP vs Spongebob in an anniversary thread
>153030541I was tempted to take the bait but whatever
>>153031921Well stop randomly showing up and say a video game anime fought a cartoon sponge, Famicom.>>153031964I guess so. It's literally tribefag, but it's a SpongeBob fan samefagging and not a woke Amphibia fan doing the work.
>>153027547The one where they turn his house into a bed and breakfast got a few laughs out of me. It's also funny that because of that episode Tootie interacted more with Dark Laser than she did with her own sister in the later seasons
>>153031936Yeah I can see how they would spend seasons 5-9 being complete shit. 10 million viewers on this "special" that was the precursor to cocomelon and AI lemon party slop.
>>153021407Doug Dimmadome and literally nothing else.
>>153021854>>153022206Love this genre
>>153032513i also liked some of Vicky and Tooties interactions, its a shame they dont really go beyond a couple of episodes thoughsome people believe Butch forgot they are sisters. i was watching his "fairly odd flashback" series he does on his youtube where he reviews old episodes, and he seems to have forgotten that Vicky's dog appeared in more than one episode too, so maybe its not a stretch
SpongeBob actually was a influence on animation and is a part of 3 generations cultures.
Nick's Big 3>SpongeBob>Rugrats>Loud HouseI'm putting the babies second because it and Sponge are the only ones to get multiple theatrical movies and because of how much merch they have/had.I'm sure others around my age (31) can attest to how big the babies were back in the day.
>>153033455That's pretty crazy to think about actually. All of the TV Specials that may as well have been movies, and not a single theatrical release. If I were Butch Hartman I'd go cuckoo bananas and preach Christian nonsense too.
>>153033855>Hey Arnold even got a theatrical movie, even if it could have just been a TV movieLol.
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>>153021407Camp Sherwood.
>>153034426Yo, is that new? Glad to see some Waxelplax enjoyers here.
>>153034426>Crocker gave up this to chase fairies.Couldn't be me.
>>153021557This guy
>>153031672Nigga if you look Nick's highest rated episodes/movies ever half of it is FOP, the show was a huge hit way bigger than anything outside SpongeBob.
